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oh far in those talks there's been no big offer and the red lines remain in place it's actually quite difficult negotiating with a disintegrate in government with cabinet ministers jockeying for succession rather than working for an agreement as Democratic socialists we cannot ignore that we voted to trigger article 50 in 2017 it is in the country's interest to try to get this sorted one way or the other but we can never accept the government's bad deal or a disastrous No Deal so if we can't get a sensible deal along the lines of our alternative plan or a general election labor backs the option of a public vote on it the biggest the biggest issues facing us the talks that were having with the government have been difficult because as I said the government is in some degree of disarray itself they're still ongoing our point is that we want to protect jobs protect track and protect those rights that we have obtained and we will we met again yesterday and there will be further meeting coming up but quite honestly the government has to move its red lines we cannot go on having MV 1 MV 2 and V 3 and then coming on for possibly an MV 4 or a bill that we've yet to yet to actually see
I couldn’t help but notice the various ways in which hardline Brexiteers, the very people who say that we’re on course for the Brexit they want, are acting out of such desperation. So I decided to explore some of the issues here.
hi my name is Phil and I like talking about politics and today's topic is one that I've chosen most days we pick a topic based on a poll where you guys get to vote on that but today I mean Sunday's in general I'm sort of keeping this one for the ones I found really interesting so the poll that's up at the moment by the way that's the topic for tomorrow so I was going to do this on the effects of brexit particularly No Deal brexit on scientific research in this country not only marry a scientist I also know it's the one area where we could do really well even in a No Deal brexit scenario but I also know it's one we won't do really well in because our governments and this isn't just the current government this is the government going back years and years we formed scientific research even though we get amazing returns from it we're really good at it in this country we get less funding from our government than any other developed nation when you consider it as a proportion of GDP we simply do not put in to our scientific research centers our universities what we should give them what we're capable of getting out of it and that is something that we can get a lot out without even deals with other countries at the end of the day if we can what we really good stuff the world wants to take part in that regardless but that can keep that can hopefully come up again at some point someone posted something really really interested that got me thinking not just about this this stories it turns out quite quickly needs to go through but it's the general idea of the desperation of brexit ears because there's a few things of late say in the last week or so that's got me really thinking why are the brexit ears so desperate at the moment there was a news report today is really sad and I've seen a few like this but this one was particularly sad so we know of course that you know brexit ears are loudly and proudly on our Airways on our way of sorry and in the media in various respects and in adverts in papers are making the case for why we should believe in the EU and how we're going to benefit in all the rest of it yeah when someone happens to do this on the other side they get a quite extraordinary reaction so there's a restaurant owner in Westminister ironically enough who wants to have his say on brexit thought what can I do it says I know I'm gonna put a little message on my receipt so on his receipts at the bottom it on the bit of paper you screw up and throw away anyway it says brexit is bad immigrants are what makes Britain great they also prepared and made your food for you this has earned him a lot of threats death threats threats of all the forms of violence and I'm gonna make it clear here I am NOT charring everyone with the same brush but I also can't help but notice that the only sign that ever produced these reactions are the leave side ok again not saying that everyone the left side you know produces these threats and I'm sure that the vast majority also do not approve of them you see the same things in comments in this videos and and you only see the ones that the YouTube algorithm has actually allowed through its filters there are hundreds in the naughty tab that fell foul of the bots but as I knew would happen the restaurant owner has been absolutely inundated with support from around the country not only support against the bullies but for what they've done and you know for their right to put that on there as well and I only hope that Parliament stands up to its own bullies in just the same way but the increased desperation of the hard brexit ears suggests that they are but here's the thing and they keep telling us this as well our default position at the moment is a No Deal brexit which is what they want or which is what they say they want they keep telling us smugly that this is what's going to happen now with the deadlock so why the panic if you've about to get what you want we're out 60 days away now roughly two months why the panic I talks on Friday about tax avoidance you know the whole tax avoidance angle and how this will definitely be motivating for some I'd be willing to go go out on a limb here and say that any brexit ear who is properly panicking right now particularly in Parliament is one of these who has their eyes on the tax-free prize and not the good of the nation at all so how can their prize be removed what threats are they facing so Parliament could actually vote for Mays deal although this guarantees brexit absolutely guarantees will leave the EU which is what they say they want it's also guarantees that we'll never leave without a deal and everyone knows no matter what those brick cities may say publicly they know that that means ultimately we're gonna be stayin in the single market that is the only deal that is actually even possible no matter what they said before while they were reading from their big book of unicorns we will be in the single market that means that the anti-tax avoiding directive and various other regulatory devices for making sure people pay their dues will be in force in this country they don't want that the other thing that could happen is Parliament could cancel article 50 but that seems unlikely as there isn't anything like a majority who want to defy the referendum result they could run another referendum now with brexit ear saying that the majority of people wants us to leave they should have nothing to fear from this the result will just you know that will just demonstrate that yeah we told you look the majority still want to leave in which case at least that next referendum would say what manner of leaving and and if they have made the case as they say they have for leaving without a deal then again that's what will be produced so again why the panic but hey that's they know that's not gonna be the case we are now almost certain to get a majority of people who vote remain for all this talk about the majority people wants to leave they know it's a lie otherwise they wouldn't panic they'll be sad about going yet referendum sure no problem not only have people seen the economic damage it's done already just by getting ready to leave to say nothing of what will happen once we do people have also seen the brexit Ears promises turn to ash as their own incompetence and ignorance has been exposed over the last two years but the law of you losing tax D regulations can't be a motivator for many people after all those thugs I mentioned earlier are unlikely to have the sort of wealth that would benefit from the No Deal brexit so what are they so desperate about the only source of information they're ever going to read are those where they're told that no brexit is the default position now and that a majority of British citizens are in favor of it now if those two things are true then why the panic and why the threat acts of desperation and lashing out are the results have been cornered and wounded not triumphant so what about this MP who approached the Polish government now obviously if we don't get an extension then the three it possibilities I've just described are the only ones that exist either Parliament votes for Mays deal Parliament completely cancels brexit or we go out with no deal those are the only three possibilities but if we do get an extension there's under whatever circumstances now I've said I believe the only way we'd get one is if it was to run another referendum but for whatever reason if we do get an extension there is then almost no chance of a No Deal because what would definitely be the case we would definitely not be given an extension unless there was a realistic prospect of coming up with an arrangement somehow so it actually makes sense for them to try and block the extension you know if all the things that I am assuming which they say is wrong but if we assume for example that they are motivated not out of the what's it in the best interest of the country but in their own tax receipts if they don't believe a majority are in favor of brexit then of course if those two things are true and they both have to be true for this to make any sense then of course they would wish to block an extension they don't have the numbers in Parliament to block it to our end because you know Pilate if Parliament says no we're not having an extension and that's it they don't have the numbers to do that and although both Teresa Maine Jeremy Corbyn or at the moment playing into their hands that could change apart from anything else Parliament may just bypassed them both so if they can't block the extension on our end then they would want to block it on the other so this MP conservative MP called Daniel Kaczynski has formally asked Poland to veto an extension request he doesn't hold a ministerial position so I'm not quite sure it's been reported as a formal request I don't really understand how a non ministerial MP makes a formal request to an entire nation you know to the head of government of a nation I don't really get how that works you know surely only the Prime Minister can make a formal request to a particular nation or at least someone acting on her instructions which I'm sure he is not and and you'd look at that and you think oh because it only takes one one of those 27 member states to veto it and and it's not happening now there's two aspects to this when I first came across what the person said before I read into it I thought to myself well although there might be a country that would think yeah it might be an our interest to block an extension we don't want to be messing about nonetheless we know how these things work in theory each of those 27 member states gets a say in this and they all have to agree unanimously that's what article 50 says in practice we know how politics works more influential political players can extract cooperation from from others and basically you know if anyone was if the rest of the EU said look we're happy to grant this extension for this reason and someone was being a bit iffy about it the rest of them could easily say to them will you fall in line stop rocking the boat and and and that could have easily been the case of Poland but as it happens the Polish media took this up and they were starting to ask questions of their government and the answer that came back was basically the Polish government is dead set on avoiding no deal it doesn't want no deal any more than anyone else does and it would consider an extension if one were requested so that is their line so you know mr. Kaczynski has not got his way they are not going to veto on his behalf whether he's going to now send letters or whether other people are going to send letters to other nations EU nations and try and lean on them because they know they're losing influence on their own government I don't know I don't know so in terms of where what their options are now and again it is remarkable I don't understand how people are not seeing this contradiction between if you're saying that majority if a majority of people were in favor of was leaving with No Deal I am set or even just leaving I'm telling you what there's no way any MP in Parliament much less a majority would have the guts to derail it now and if they don't derail it now we are leaving with no deal because they don't you know leave a ton remainders don't like the current deal someone was asking me about why because they were saying relying on you you know this is a transitionary deal it can lead to something sensible at the end of it you know so just to explain that just finish off the reason is this the hardline brexit is don't want it because it takes us on a path to stayin in the single market there is no way of avoiding that because although it's a transitionary deal I need to say well at the end of that transitional period if we still have no deal then then then we crush that we no deal no the backstop with Ireland which no matter what anyone's saying has to stay I mean the Republic of Ireland said today that it has to of course it has to stay they said there's no magic solution to it and no there isn't the only way you preserve peace in Ireland and is by keeping that border open that is it that is it and that's what is of prime importance and people keep coming up with all these ridiculous suggestions which which don't solve anything oh well you know Alan be completely unified it could have become reunified ten years ago you know with the Good Friday Agreement negotiations it could we could you know if there was belief that a referendum would have just called for you reunification there that could have been done and that would have solve the whole problem so that's not a solution that although it may happen in the future it's not going to happen imminently it's not going to happen in the next few years so that's not going to solve the problem and and the idea that we can just put up the hard border it through the Irish Sea so that Northern Ireland exists and different conditions to the rest of the UK that's not a non-starter as well there is no solution the only way we can preserve peace in Northern Ireland or indeed I'll in general but Northern Isles specifically is by staying the single market that's it that is the only thing we can do and everyone knows that everyone knows it but people don't want to face up to it and that's the simple situation that's why I did a video ages ago on how the Northern Ireland situation makes bricks it all the sort of breaks it has been called for impossible it's it's actually impossible you know and but people are still not facing reality so that's why Mays deal is no good for the hardline Beretta tears so what about the remainders because it's very very clear that this deal which may only made this transition she easily could have arranged a deal like negotiate a deal where we'd you know what we just stay in the single market and customs union agree of fee we could have done that over this two years that could have been done no problem at all but you needed to get through Parliament so it's quite clear that her strategy on this or it seems to me was to get a transitionary deal which doesn't doesn't really dictate a certain outcome it's like well you know there's any number of deals we could end up with out of this she wanted to get through Parliament so that way we are now committed you know Parliament effectively is then committed but Parliament's see through it most MPs are not that stupid and they've seen that what this means is yes it inevitably is going to lead to us remaining in the single market in the customs union yes it will keep us with the security agreements with the EU that we rely on to keep our citizens safe so all those things are good but it removes our say what nobody is in favor of it's actually ironic the bricks of tears keep saying the what you know though they're not like the EU they're not like you know EU law has been forced on the British people and yet they can't name a single law that was forced on the British people not one law but here's the thing that would happen if we left under this situation because we would have to follow the EU laws but we wouldn't get a say in them whereas now we do and that's you know so that's why neither side wants this deal you know it really you know it looks like a compromise but you're talking about a situation where there is no compromise there isn't a compromise you know it's like an extreme outcome will will satisfy some people and not the others the other extreme outcome will satisfy some people and not others the middle outcome satisfies no one absolutely no one and and that's the problem with it but anyway it's just really weird I just find it extraordinary that the people panicking right now are the ones who if you look at it from a distance it actually looks like they're the ones get in their way because at the moment if Parliament doesn't vote for something in two months time would go out with no deal that is a simple Parliament at the moment has been voting against things but it hasn't actually voted for something yet okay unless you count the vote of no confidence in the government it voted for that government to remain okay but on on issues of brexit Parliament has not voted recently at any rate any time recently for something for something to move forward for any outcome at all and if that continues then the No Deal is inevitable why are they panicking someone explained but anyway there you go that's my little discussion first for Sunday tomorrow as I say check out the poll if you're interested in voting for that one of them is in the lead at the moment but you never know for tomorrow I hope you enjoyed the video if you did don't forget to give it a like subscribe for further content click the bell notification and not only to be notified of the further content but also to be notified of the polls when they go up as well and until next time I'll see you later
Second in the series of video tackling the most ridiculous Brexit arguments. This time, it’s trade deals, EU laws and borders. If there are any you’d like me to cover, then please put them in the comments below.
hi – Phil I enjoy talking about politics and welcome to part two of the dumb things that brick city is say so this is where I go through a few of the statements that keep cropping up and explain how they are in actual fact nonsense and if there's any ones that I've not covered in part 1 or part 2 and you think should be covered then put those in the comments below I've still got a few to do as well anyway so first one in this part is well we can just trade with other countries instead you know we lose our trade with the EU or it becomes much more difficult because of course you know even the most extreme brick city understands but if our goods are more expensive then fewer of the markets in the EU will buy them that's the whole point of tariffs but well we can just trade further overseas now I've already talked about the fact that that becomes very difficult a lot of businesses for example when they need to buy things in have to do it very quickly stuff needs to turn around there was a story just this weekend about a in in Germany that supplies British businesses with stickers and they meet them in like two days flat so he's in real trouble if we can you know if he can't supply that with that short turnaround and that's to say nothing of food or anything like that so when you're trading with people much further out it's very difficult to put an order in and get it the next day or a couple of days time you know you try ordering something from China on Amazon it doesn't arrive the next day – and and that's a big problem but then you've also got the costs as well as local regulations as well remember our regulations are relatively straightforward for our businesses to understand because they're the same throughout the EU overseas very different regulations but the thing is in terms of trading with other countries we already can we already trade with other countries we trade on great deals because the e you've got those deals for us but let's try and imagine because they're saying oh we could get even better deals okay so let's try and picture this so with which ones we need it to be a massive economy a major economy so let's look at the large parts of the world so America Trump has already said that he's not going to give us a great trade deal until we drop all of our standards because he wants to sell us the chlorinated chicken which we don't currently accept but also once to privatize our healthcare system he basically wants to buy up our healthcare system and have it completely privatized that's the conditions and and if we don't open ourselves up to that we're not getting any sort of trade deal with the u.s. I mean he describes it as a great trade deal and absolutely this is actually one lie he is not telling this is the absolute truth when he talks about great trade deal it's an absolutely fantastic trade deal for the u.s. because remember what he always says put America first America first he's totally consistent with that we the UK are not going to get trade deal with the u.s. we're certainly not going to get better when we have now then we look at China so we go go work until expanding China Theresa Mayes kept going there made friendly words and all the rest of it yeah sure absolutely thing is we already trade with China we don't trade that much that you know we could easily have traded more anyway but actually that's been declining in fact a Jaguar Land Rover had to announce the loss of four and a half thousand jobs because of lower sales in China so they've already decided that they're not as keen on our goods as they were before and they weren't keen enough to buy masses of them in the first place so that's a declining market India the same thing they basically told us that no really you know there isn't really any scope for expanding that in fact the first place to reason may try to go to to try and get something was India and got completely rebuffed so we're absolutely screwed in a very demonstrate demonstrable way but the problem is that you've also got the situation where in terms of trying to get this trade deal you know less let's imagine you know and despite the fact that the very same people who said we could get a trade deal easily within two years with all of these countries and we've got nothing at all not even the beginnings of one you know people are still believing those but okay let's just say out some fantasy land that they're still telling the truth we could once we've left the EU apparently we need to leave it we could still get a great trade deal okay let's think this through there are two main objections to this one let's say just have some some notion some dream land that we managed to get a great trade deal with a huge economy I don't know maybe we take some jaffa cakes and chocolate Hobnobs in the negotiations bowled them over they go oh yeah yay we're gonna give you a great trade deal there are going to be two massive objections to that first of all as I've already said unlike before the EEC formed now pretty much everyone is in a trading bloc because they've seen the way for the EU has led the way everyone else has seen the benefits of it they have their own regional trading partners we try to get a good trade deal with them their trading partners going in a minute we're going to be losing business as a result of this no you know you're not doing that we're together so that's immediately a block on getting a good deal because we have to be less competitive than their local trading partners and their own business in their own country remember all of these trading blocks are inherently protectionist that's how they work they work by giving preferential treatment to their local partners than people from further away though not in that trading block then there's B the second thing and that would be the EU itself now the EU is very powerful and very protectionist we or many of us may not have noticed this too much because we were the EU at the moment ethically offer a few more day so few more weeks but once we would basically told them we wish to be there impo opponent now although game on so they then let's just say somehow you know with the jaffa cakes and the chocolate Hobnobs we persuade a major economy to give us a great trade deal their local trading partners aren't very happy about it but let's say they just said I'd be fine beside behind the EU we'll go to them and say no no that's not good enough you know you know you're not giving them a better trade deal than we have with you because that's what these bread cities are talking about that we can somehow get a better trade deal than we currently have with the EU the EU aren't gonna be happy about that so they'll just say no no you're not doing that you're not doing that otherwise you're going to lose some trade with us we're gonna start getting a bit tricky here and and if you have to side with a customer who do you side with the one that's got about you know 66 million customers or the one that's got half a billion you side with the one that's for most money simple as that it is as simple as that and and also it's just comes bad I've talked about this before just a really simple situation where we X where we showed just how weak we are on our own as compared to being part of the EU and this wasn't a trading situation this was the Facebook situation so last year a lot of people got really pissed off with Facebook in terms of dodgy dealings with the way it uses its data so the British Parliament were the first ones to say write Mark Zuckerberg we want you here we want to ask you some questions he told us to piss off didn't calm American I currently the Senate was a Senate I can I can never remember it Senate or Congress that do these things I think it's the Senate but basically the American government said the same thing obviously it turned up there but then you think well he is American he lives in America it's an American company of course he's gonna turn up in front of his own government but then the EU did the same thing they said look a bit here now and along he came like a good little poodle and that just shows you the strength of the EU compared to the strength of Britain acting on its own we're weak face it you know were weak and that's the simple situation we won't get better trade deals will get far worse trade deals in fact to be human won't get trade deals at all because they take years people people keep insisting oh you can draw these up in a few weeks no the same people are saying that the people who've actually know what trade deal looks like none of them have said that it takes years second one it says oh well we can get rid of the laws we don't like okay so what's going to happen is at the moment we've copied across all the EU laws so that when we leave it gives Parliament time to amend them as necessary but here's the thing first of all no we can't if we want to trade with anyone we will accept their rules that is that is the simple case of the FATA I mean when we trade with China and we're not in a trading bloc with China well we still have to meet their regulations and their rules and and and and so on you have to sort of agree these things so there's no such thing as having complete control of our all laws anyway there's always a compromise when you wish to work with someone else's with anything isn't it it's absolutely the same with anything you don't get to go and play by your own rules even as an individual if you wish to participate with with someone else you come to a compromise and agreed set of rules the same thing has to happen with trade so if we want to trade with anyone we will be following their rules as we do already obviously we follow au rules at the moment for everything but even when we're trading overseas with those regards we follow those rules as well otherwise we don't trade with them but here's the thing Britain has actually voted in favor of 97% of EU laws right this idea that we have the EU has forced laws on to us that we don't like is a complete fabrication of people's support in Brixton have been done for decades it's not true and it's verifiably not true it's a complete fabrication and and some people will be thinking to themselves either what about the 3% yeah I'll come to that in a moment but here's the thing so the in particular newspapers keep pushing this agenda that the EU are forcing these laws on us and these laws the thing is all of these laws that they say we don't like is not good for Britain or actually they're not just the ones we voted in favor on they're the ones we suggested human rights laws the idea of the European Court of Justice it's our idea the idea of the EU now what some people are said in the comments on I know some people said this or why couldn't we have just stayed as like the EC you know it was all right there and trading bloc why did we have to become this you know much larger more politically active system that was us as well that was Margaret Thatcher now think what you like of her domestically and I am not a fan at all far from it the fact of the matter is she was our government the reason why the the EC reformed into the EU that it is now was Britain we pushed that we came up with a load of recommendations for reform we were the ones who drove it at the same time as getting ourselves a big rebate as well so you know all of these laws of the newspaper say although force this on his fault we agree with it all now again coming back to that 3% that we don't agree with okay so some of you are thinking oh but there's still force 3% of those laws on to us no they haven't the ones we don't agree with we don't do and this is not a and this is not right and I'm not saying this is right at all it's not but the fact of the matter is when you're powerful this is something I've railed against most of my life you basically get to play by your own rules just as with wealthy people who somehow managed to avoid prison sentences the same thing is true of Nations we we are powerful along with Germany in France there are rules when we don't like them we just don't enforce them we don't do them and a classic example is the euro you know and people have even tried saying in the comments all they want us to join the euro yeah they wants us to join the euro and we didn't and that's it you know Schengen we did and that's another thing about borders people keep talking about these open borders we don't have open borders we have freedom of movement but no we don't have open borders but between britain v EU that's a myth okay the only part we do have an open border with of course is Northern Ireland at the Republic of Ireland because of the Good Friday Agreement nothing to do with the EU but we didn't join it we said no we don't want to do that we're not going to classic case is you know since the early noughties the EU has decided that prisoners should be allowed to vote now I am NOT opposed to that I think all citizens should have the votes but Britain said no we don't agree with that if you're in jail you don't get a vote and so we didn't do it we didn't do it and it's only actually recently that the UK government has started to think well maybe we should give some the vote but that's got nothing to do with EU pressure because after all the EU you know the European courts have been telling us no no it's the bits the rules you've got to allow prisoners the vote and we've been saying no we're not gonna and we're still not gonna it's just that the UK government out of its own mind has decided well maybe people who are in jail for less than he should have the vote you know we just don't you know when there's an EU law we do not like we just ignore it we basically cherry-pick what we like that's what we do right now that's the irony the brexit ears keep saying all she'll be able to cherry-pick which laws we like it's like we like 97% of them if we pushed for most of them you know we didn't just sit there France came up with some idea when yeah yeah we can go along with that yeah we'll vote for that no we've actually pushed most of these we came up with a lot of them and Co partnered pushing a number of others there are very few EU laws that we are aware of that were not ours you know it's really that simple it's just so simple anyway the next ones are we can finally control our borders oh can we can we really there was a declared a major national crisis when 12 fellows in a dingy turned upon our beaches how are we going to control our borders the fact of the matter is that the border is guarded at the moment from both sides because as EU countries surrounding it and they look after our borders from that side they won't anymore it's a hassle for them if people are determined to get into Britain illegally then as far as those countries are going to be concerned after we leave it'll be like it'll be self we cannot be asked because it's a major issue for them obviously where people are sort of detained on their side of the border those local communities are not happy about that at all they'd far rather just be getting waved through so that's exactly what they will do the only way we'd maintain any stronger controls of our borders is if we increased our border force massively and we haven't done that there's been no increase in it or as I've not even seen plans for increase in it you know so that's not going to happen and that's the issue as well our issue has never been with even the brexit ears say that we've got no issue with skilled migrants coming across who who do the jobs that we can't do ourselves well that's what you members do the problem we have is with illegal immigration from outside of the EU that's the problem we've always had and that is gonna get worse far far worse you know and that's all there is to it we can't control our borders because we don't have the capacity to do so we have far more control of our borders within the EU and like I've already said people have this attitude that our borders are completely open when we're part of the EU they are not some borders within the EU are that's what's called part of Schengen where you have complete moving your ability documents or anything that's not the case and anyone who has travelled between the UK nor the EU countries knows it's not the case they know it's not but unless of course we're talking literally Northern Ireland and em and the Republic of Ireland obviously they are at the island of Ireland has to be free but the rest of it no you pass across to France you don't just roll along there you know you may need documents you may need to show some documents you know you've got every right to move there but just have your passport with you but because we're not part of Schengen so the border isn't open right now it's bloody well going to be though if we can't stop some Iranian getting across on a boat how are we going to stop you know people getting across through more cunning means you know Laurie checks things like that hassle for them cost them money cost them money to check cost them money if they find someone simple as that so those are the next three nonsense things that brick city is say again if you've got any comments then put those below I might put those into future ones as well there's at least one more to come as well hope you enjoyed it if you did don't forget to click the like button and subscribe for further content click the bell notification to be notified of that further content share with other people who might also be interested and that's all next time I'll see 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In a very unscientific Twitter poll more people would choose to ‘Stop Brexit’ than ‘Reverse Climate Change’. This is madness but they may get their wish as it now seems certain that Article 50 will have to be extended . . . and after that . . . who knows?
hi folks welcome to mark my words now some people say that remainders are obsessed with stopping brexit above anything else now I'm sure this could it be further from the truth so to prove this I thought I'd do a little poll take a look at this okay mark I want you to imagine that you found a magic lamp you give it a rub a genie comes out and he offers you one wish Brad for those three wishes it was until 2010 when the Tories came into power and cut the wishes anyway the point is it gives you a choice you can either stop brexit adversely things reverse climate change or free Palestine which would you choose stop now countdown countdown that's just an eight-year-old child I'm sure if I put this poll out on Twitter to adults out there on Twitter very much politically engaged I'm sure we get a more sensible answer let's take a look at the resource on my Twitter poll now you have it folks absolute madness if you've given one wish and you can choose from those four options 40% of respondents of which simmer over six and a half thousand chose stock brexit and 32% reverse climate change the fate of the whole planet second favorite to keeping the UK in the European Union it's absolute madness don't forget that Twitter poll of course is not restricted to just remain as anybody for voting that is absolutely crazy that 40% of people chose stock brexit and 32% reverse climate change it shows you what is wrong with a political debate in this country people are too obsessed with brexit of both sides of the debate as somebody who voted remained but is in no sense a Ramona I want to solve the problems in this country around austerity universal credit public services knife crime all those issues that people care about but all you hear from these hardcore remainders is that you can't solve any of that unless you stop brexit now stopping brexit might make solving those easier in financial terms but the fact of the matter is it doesn't matter how big the financial cake is if the government won't share the cake out more fairly so let's stay in the EU but let's have a Labour government that is what if you share the proceeds of the financial benefits of staying in the EU if you're willing to stay in the EU and stick with the Tories or the Lib Dems if you think they'll keep you in the EU and quite frankly I'm not interested first priority as a Labour government to share the economic wealth of this country more fairly however big it is how a big nut cake is it needs to be shared more fairly the EU is a second-order issue after getting labour into power and solving austerity and the horrible state of the poor people in this country now of course on Tuesday we'd have the meaningful vote in the Commons and it looks likely that Tereza maize deal is good lose and lose heavily personally I think it might be a bit closer than most pundits imagine because obviously brexit seems increasingly under threat and if you look at this story here in the independent it says that even if Teresa main steel passes on Tuesday yes passes on Tuesday the UK were not believing the European Union on the 29th of March there's too much legislation to get through the British Parliament to actually have an orderly deal brexit on the 29th of March even if Teresa Mae's deal gets through so my message today for levers is this you did not vote to leave the EU on the 29th of March 2019 in fact most of you that voted leave in 2016 probably expected to leave a lot sooner than today the fact of the matter is if you want to leave it here you don't you must let the Parliament and the government get on with its work I don't want to see these people with a yellow vests protesting about not leaving the EU on the 29th of March 2016 you've got a perfect right to be unhappy if we don't need to hear you and you're perfectly okay to express her but the 29th of March was on the ballot paper so if article 50 is extended or there needs to be a general election or there needs to be a second referendum before you start kicking off wait until the process is finished before you make a judgement as to whether or not your vote in the referendum has been respected or not the 29th of March was on no ballot paper in the world ever it's as simple as that so to quote the great Martin Luther King jr. we've got some difficult days ahead but quite frankly although next week is going to be one of the most unpredictable and shocking weeks possibly in British politics for a long time I'm quite optimistic about the future of this country well we stay in the EU whether we leave half leave whatever I'm quite confident that at some point this Tory government is going to collapse and whenever the general election does take place I'm confident that labour will do very well I don't care what the polls say the polls are absolute nonsense do you know anybody who has been contacted by an opinion pollster and when I say contacted I don't mean they've responded to an email of their own choosing I mean they've actually been stopped and asked directly without them pre-selecting themselves how they would want to vote the answer is probably no and the sorts of people that Labour wants to motivate to get to the ballot boxes to stop austerity are the least likely people to have been contacted by pollsters at all not only that the margin of error means that most polls are absolutely meaningless the margin of error is 3% but that doesn't mean a 3% difference in the gap between the parties it means a 3% difference in the level of support for any party so in fact labour could be free percent higher or lower and so could the Conservatives so the gap between the parties could be 6% either way though the actual result of the opinion polls opinion polls are absolutely useless but not only that the Tories only one in 2015 because David Cameron offered a referendum to choose to leave the EU it's quite clear now that that is why he won that election and took so many seats of the Liberal Democrats especially in the southwest which is very much Pro lead so I'm perfectly up for a general election any day of your choosing to resume and labour will be the next government being a minority or majority government with Jeremy Corbyn in number 10 to end your austerity project where you try to strip all the wealth from the poor people and even started to hit the middle classes and funnel it up to the one percent or the naught point one percent and take all the wealth that people that work in this country for the decades and try and store it and your offshore tax havens it's absolutely disgusting and labor it's going to put that to an end whether we stay or whether we leave the EU banks watching folks want to see what videos know what to do click on the subscribe on float around there somewhere and I catch you all again soon bye bye
I love that belt good evening ladies and gentlemen welcome to what I think is the fourth in this Brit beer and brexit series I'm absolutely delighted that we've got Richard theis here with us tonight Richard is a long-standing Euroskeptic I think you're a director of business were sailing back from the 90s 20 years ago he's also been successful in what as academics like to call the real world it says here that you are a property tycoon which sounds overstated that's very impressive to me anyway Richard co-founded levy you with Aaron banks and you were described by our own banks in his book on the bad boys as brexit as the acceptable face of levy you and the one they'd once speaking to the police if they were all in a car and got pulled over I think I think that's praise I'm not for the headstone is it and more to the point for our purposes tonight Richard is co-chair of leave means leave that was founded in his own words following the push back from the establishment and a refusal to accept the referendum result no one's clapped at introduction before this is you're miles ahead he also tells me that this is right that you spent some time in strange ways playing football yeah I mean how many people here have been to Strangeways prison I went twice actually I was a goalkeeper I played for soulfood University in surprise surprise we always always had to play away I pulled this guy down in the penalty area and a water came up to me and he said if you know what's good for you son you let it in brilliant right just to kick us off with some easy stuff well what made you a Euroskeptic when did it happen did you have a Damascene moment or yeah in the mid-90s and believed a lot I actually wrote to Gordon Brown a three-page letter saying we mustn't join the euro and shortly after business of Stirling was founded bluntly I hate fraud waste and corruption and in my view the EU is riddled with all three of those things just to clarify you were you were empty euro and to joining the euro yeah but were you empty being in the euro at that time it evolved pretty quickly afterwards I was very very skeptical of it all right cuz for a lot of a lot of skeptics date their objection to membership to macerate yeah I was still sort of I was still pretty young then that's a good answer I thought through evolving okay when all right so in the referendum itself is it was there a moment when you thought blimey would we're gonna win this yeah I knew about three or four weeks before when the Labour MPs started to come back to Westminster ashen-faced when they had heard from their constituents in the Labour harland's that actually they weren't gonna listen to their MPs they weren't could listen to project fear and they were gonna vote to leave and that was the moment where I thought it's definitely on but were you confident that all those people I mean for me was obvious if you went to the north during the referendum campaign that there was a groundswell of opinion and the only doubt that was in my mind was whether people who'd actually given up on the ballot box would bother to register and vote I mean the only doubt in my mind was whether when it came to actually standing in the booth would people panic and just say but they didn't and you know what I was pretty confident why do you choose to join leave Dottie you rather than campaigning with well essentially our and I we founded it I mean the the truth of it is I went to Matthew Elliot's in February 15 and I said Matthew but day of the general election in 2015 we need to come out with a strong statement saying we've raised extra in pounds we're headhunting for a chief executive and we're off and we're going to be ready and he said no no that's not the plan at all he said that we would have to wait until David Cameron came back from what would be a summit and then we would launch the the leave campaign and I said that's way too late way too late and if if that had happened then there's no question we would not have won so Aaron I we resolved to to set it up and get going so it was it was impatience with the absolutely it was a it was a businesslike approach to you know we've got a serious thing we need to raise a lot of money and we need to be ready and we need to give up the country because it could come soon but did you share our own banks's critique of vote leave as just being the sort of metropolitan early talking to each other and not vote leave vote leaved what didn't exist then and vote leave basically was bounced into setting up very very quickly because of what we were doing with leave door to you and suddenly parts of the Tory Party got very concerned that actually we would steal such a march we would get the designation okay but do you do you think that I mean we'll use it there was a policy divide of sorts wasn't there between the two leave camp is that you focused on different sorts of issues yeah there was absolutely I mean you know we felt that it was the immigration was a significant part of it not not only but it was a significant part of it and we were going to focus you know we were just going to focus on sort of the the simple issues and and you know being proud to be British being confident of our position leading the Commonwealth being confident of our position in the world and vote leave wanted to adopt a different approach was there anything about the tone or tenor of that campaign that made you uncomfortable when old it was boggling point the believe talk to you things move very quickly and you know when you get into a big campaign and this was the first big campaign I'd be in it so I mean you know and likewise Aaron I mean you know things move very quickly and yeah in the heat of the moment things get said and done that you think maybe you know maybe was a bit over-the-top okay what why do you what do you think was a major reason why people voted to leave what was the major reason I think I think truthfully the slogan was simple you know it was about controlling laws money and borders it was about you know we're the fifth biggest economy in the world we should be a we're big enough we're good enough we should be able to do this stuff and I think I think there's a real if you look back the previous 20 years we'll you know what every newspaper you read we've all read daft stories about some ridiculous law that's come out of the EU and you think oh that's bonkers you know even hardened people who like me you we have to admit that you know some strange daft stuff does come out but equally you have to admit that some of those stories just weren't true well we didn't really know I mean you know if it's in the Daily Mail it must be true isn't it I mean but would you accept that I mean as as the cabinet shows that actually one of the issues we're dealing with now is that people voted leave for a whole variety of often conflicting if not outright contradictory reasons I don't accept that actually I don't think contradictory since the short people voted for different reasons you know for some people sovereignty was more important than in there for example money or you know borders and vice versa I think yeah but the Slocum was pretty clear and simple though the slogan was very clear but it wasn't it wasn't precise and what I mean by this is you know you you would hear senior conservative politicians during the campaign saying look all I want is control over migration actually I'd be perfectly comfortable migration went up this is about control if you went to some of those northern heartlands that wasn't the message people were voting to cut immigration I mean there were there were there were parts of West London where Indians were voting because they thought they'd get more Indians in I mean I look I mean I'm different you know different things get said around the country for sure but I think the reality is if you look back to the 1990s for example on the issue of immigration you know we had average immigration of 62 and a half thousand people and guess what the economy was growing at a we wages were growing at a real growth rate of 2.8% per annum for decades give or take caller 30% in the last decade we've had immigration of over a quarter of a million a year and guess what real wages zero zero growth and for the least well-off in society they are 30% worse off than their peers 20 years previously and and so and and they work that out even though the politicians hadn't worked it out people people around the country knew something was wrong and they knew they were poor they couldn't understand why and then you know things like zero has contracts which I'm you know I'm not a fan of and my own son actually was was essentially subject of a really bad zero a contract that says those have developed as a result mainly of unlimited low-skilled immigration that has meant that you know employers of a certain type have been able to push down on on terms and conditions well I mean I think you've hinted a correlation there I'm not convinced about causation but the question was within the leaf campaign there were people who said you know let it mean we'll have more of them as long as we don't have freedom of movement there were others who wanted to cut it what I'm trying to get at is isn't one of the problems the vagueness of the leave campaign one of the problems that we're dealing with now that people had different expectations of it may give you one example is at the Tory Party conference and I went to a fringe aventure on agriculture and speaker after speaker stood up and said I'm a brexit I voted brexit but and the buts were but we want to keep subsidies but we want to keep tariffs but we want to keep access to seasonal workers but the joy of that the joy of all of that is that when you leave and that's a very simple word leave ya then got controlled to make those decisions to have that democratic debate internally as a nation and that's what democracy is all about okay that I buy but you don't then see you don't that you wouldn't then see it as somehow a contradiction of a key message of the campaign if we once we've left we make a decision to increase immigration that will be fine because actually it's that it's about having the sovereign decision rather exactly it's about it's about having the sovereign control and you know that's what democracy you know you have a debate you form a view and then if you don't like how it's panning out you can change it ok let's talk about No Deal yeah I mean you said I think the quote you came out with was that in business yeah No Deal is always better than a bad deal yeah surely that is a is a fundamentally misleading analogy because if you have no deal in business you remain where you are I used a with the status quo if you have no deal with the EU and by no deal let's be clear I mean no withdrawal agreement nothing so the talks break down now and we leave with nothing you don't revert to the status quo well let's be broken in business if you if you do No Deal forever you'll go bust yeah okay so you do keep doing deals but what you're not going to do is a bad day we've all done bad deals but we haven't deliberately done bad to us but when you got a deal when you go into negotiation you have to be prepared not to do that deal otherwise you are gonna get you're gonna get a bad deal you know a business you're just gonna get shafted right you have to signal to the other side that you're prepared to walk away granted but getting to the substance are you really convinced that a No Deal is something we should seriously be thinking of as an option of course absolutely you know I actually subscribe to the view that what should have happened we leave means leave we said 18 months ago we said that the deadline should be set March 18 if we haven't done a deal by then we should say to the EU we're going to WTO and we're gonna spend the last year getting ready for it and and because candidly because on the Andrew Marr show that day before David Davis started negotiating our own Chancellor went on TV and said a bad deal would be a very very bad hang outcome I mean that completely cut the legs off David Davis the following day when he started you know what sort of phases is that to go into a negotiation is just it's unbelievable is in business so I'm the managing director of a business and I walk in to start a negotiation and the CEO comes in five minutes beforehand and says we're gonna pay another 20 million for this deal it's just not how you do things I get I get the the signalling point absolutely which is you have to give the impression they don't preparing that you're prepared that actually in extremis you'll walk away because otherwise you don't you you've weakened your own position but just a No Deal isn't about WTO No Deal is about ah right so there's – yeah there's two types of no deal there's there's a you know that there's no deal where we don't do a some form of trade deal yeah okay but let's be very very clear about this there is a legal obligation on both sides under article 8 and under article 50 and under WTO rules to reach a deal on the administrative arrangements let's be very very clear about it and not enough people are saying this but that is the legal position by the administrative arrangements so things like organising the technicalities that people are getting very excited about about border checks about whether or not planes can fly about whether or not we're gonna have enough ham and cheese coming into our country to fill our sandwiches that sort of stuff well look there's no doubt that that both sides will want to make an arrangement on this at some point my issue is surely the problem with No Deal is not about our long-term trading future we'll come back to that it's about short-term chaos because in the period it takes the problem the problem with no deal and it's nothing to do with whether you like the EU or not whether you like the DTO or not it's just that a load of laws that govern our interaction that our nearest partner will cease to exist well and that's what I call the administrative arrangements but it will take weeks if not months to saw those out as I've said before and I hope as I said well thank you very much thinking I got the the the in business actually there's nothing like a short deadline to concentrate the minds and to focus the attention and you know yes the government has left it too late to be looking at you know they've really they they should have done what we said which was give ourselves a year so we've got less time but you've got to be you've got to be saying look that's what we're doing and the fact is philip hammond prevented the departments from having the money to spend on no dual planning so it's a bit late right we can still do it and there it lists not let's not forget this point there is a legal obligation to sort out these issues that well firstly yes i buy your point that actually if we invest in the ports and the infrastructure it would cushion the effect absolutely two things though if the french don't it's a waste of time because actually you end up with the same queues at the ports if then they're not the great thing about business people right you want to buy and sell stuff is if you've got a good product someone else will buy it and what will happen because business people are very good at finding ways to jump over hurdles and get round barriers that governments put in their way and what will actually happen very very quickly is people will start moving goods for example into rotterdam or into other ports around the EU we will use other ports we will you know do more through South Hampton or felixstowe and guess what we might buy a load of goods from elsewhere around the world and I love the Tim Martin story it's the Tim Martin who he's create an amazing business of a thousand pubs mm-hm Tim told his procure his buying team about six or nine months ago right guys and girls we're not going to buy any more booze from the European Union right now I didn't know for example that Australia produces fantastic brandy I didn't know for example that Lancashire produces a very good equivalent to Jagermeister but but actually that is whatever that is yeah okay it's a it's a it's a delicious generally cure I'm particularly late at night but um but what do you say boys there right let's let's let's make sure that we can keep our business and we'll buy other goods for elsewhere in the world and that's what businesses will do so that's why actually all of this scare mongering about are we gonna run out of this and that and t'other it's nonsense well two things one in the short term surely it is possible because even businesses with their great adaptability will have to adapt and that will take time and the second thing is just think about Ryanair okay I mean this is the where it gets tricky I agree with you on administrative arrangements what is the law that allows a carrier from one country to fly between two other countries which is a law that exists nowhere else in the world it's an EU law yeah and it's good point the two parts that um firstly well run businesses why are they booing Ryanair the thing about business a reason to be right now but yeah well run businesses should have been recognizing that the base case scenario was a WTO deal only thing you could guarantee okay so we're wrong businesses actually should be well on the way to getting ready for a World Trade Organization trading arrangement coming on to Ryanair my reading and I have read some pretty dull stuff every reason is I've even read the gdpr document that's even worse but I've read the Open Skies agreement okay now actually we are a contracting signatory to that agreement yes and the open skies thing that Ryanair get concerned about is because it might mean that it's hard for them to take off a Madrid and go direct to Frankfurt that's what they're worried about yeah okay okay we're still able to fly point-to-point from the UK to Paris or Frankfurt the what they're concerned about is it reduces their flexibility but guess what easyJet I've got it sorted they set up a base in I think it's Austria its classic example a business has identified the issue sorted it dealt with it next okay but I mean just as a slight and do we want to encourage businesses to go elsewhere well they've done some base case planning you know and I mean that's the reality businesses are responding to this situation and just just to find owned I get booked and we are a bit bogged down as well ask you one more question about this which is you know we combine Jagermeister from Australia fine we're not gonna create a complex supply chain and make cars with Australia are we no but guess what guys we could borrow load more jeeps from America by unilaterally catching the 10% tariff that we wrongly charge on them trumps right I mean it's not a fair deal on cars um so if there's a few more jeeps and a few less Mercedes around around the UK it's not the end of the world so would you would you agree with Patrick Minford then that the car industry might just be one of those things we have to secretary in the domestic car industry the reality is the reality about the car industry does anyone know here what all the car manufacturers call the UK they call it Treasure Island because they are making pots of cash because basically we're all being overcharged blankly so you know if we are confident about our own leverage our in negotiating position then the car manufacturers in Germany you know will make it very clear they need this sorted they've got a lot more to lose than we have why haven't they yet hmm what haven't yet um because frankly we've been negotiating this pretty badly I think even eat all of us already side can agree that I mean so so in a sense um they all think they're gonna get you know the best side of this deal that's all right that's why we need to stand back and we need to say we need to say that you know um we're going to WTO and you know that's that's the basis on which we're going to trade with you and but the way that means no money you can come back to that but BMW don't think this is going swimmingly well BMW no one but no one thinks it's going swimmingly well it's just and why aren't they why aren't they doing what we were told they would do aren't they rapping on Chancellor Merkel's door or saying this is outrageous sorted out for God's because because because the truth is at the moment they thing and not unreasonably that they're getting the better side of this deal so they're they're staying silent I mean this is gonna affect trade I mean yeah well they're all being told because they've been told by our own positions that you know we must do a deal almost at any cost so they think a deal will be done okay so you have a bus we have a bus of a bus OS buses are big these days automatics and it says stop the brexit betrayal yes yeah how has brexit been betrayed well we had great fun working out in team meetings what to write on the side of the bus I want to put yeah a big number on it I mean it was a big number on the previous bus I think you should have you should I want to put a safe fit and I'm billion on it but anyway so how's it being betrayed um because because the checkers proposal which is the government the government's current position in it it's it's not it's not leaving the European Union in the true sense of the word you know it's it's it's Brian oh it breaks it in name only so we're not in control of her in laws we wouldn't be able to deregulate we've got the common rule book why would we want 90% of our businesses in the UK that don't export to the European Union to suffer the burdens and the hindrances of EU regulations in order to look after the 10% that's daft so so that's the first part the second betrayal is they talk about you know the arrangements with the ECJ well and you know the likelihood is we'll end up under some form of jurisdiction by some part yes either we're on a joint tribunal or something with the ECJ but the real issue if you can't deregulate and look after your own rules and you become literally a complete sort of supplicant to someone else's rules you're significantly less attractive to countries like America and Australia in terms of doing a trade deal with us because they know that essentially are we haven't got the ability to adapt and respond as you know as the world moves on as business conditions move on and so on and then you come to immigration in jackers talks about a labor mobility framework well we can all guess what that is in civil service speak I'm sorry for any civil servants that are here but in civil service speak that is gonna mean basically more of the status quo I don't think that's true to be honest because I think basically the checkers deal talks about GATS provisions I mean the checkers deal is nothing to do with freedom of movement I mean that's just come on a semantic point which might be a little bit too dull you can say this isn't my vision of brexit mm-hmm but wise brexit being betrayed I mean surely these are all I mean always not to me you switch sons not in the EU these are all four because leaving the because we would we were told we're even told in the government nine million pound leaflets you know that we would be leaving the single market okay and it is quite clear you know if you can't if you're signing up to a common rule book I don't care how you dress it up in in legalese or words you're not leaving the single market but don't you need common rules to have a trade deal you need the Americans well heck no you need common rules if you're an exporter then yes you have to produce your products to the EU rules if you export to the domestic applicability of those you know ninety percent of our business of our businesses don't export to the European Union we need to be able to deregulate we need to be able to see ink with confidence we you know the post brexit vision is we want to be the Singapore of the West we want to go forth we want to have smart regulation not daft regulation we need to be we need to be Pro Enterprise Pro innovation way to encourage entrepreneurs and we actually need to work we positively need to say we're not going to prop up the vested interests that's the vision of the future that but in a sense BRICS it could be done properly I have to say I mean the Singapore economy functions on the back of a very large immigrant population that basically keeps it ticking over I mean if Singapore started in imposing strict limits on no one was suggesting we don't have immigration you know we had a very sensible immigration system right until we basically had the accession age as I said in the 1990s you know things work really well we had a sensible immigration policy we had 60 odd thousand coming year give or take and actually it worked really well and we had a thing called a seasonal agricultural worker scheme which meant that actually fruit was picked in the farms around the countryside so people came they worked and then they moved on to the next job how do you think your average leave voter in Stoke or Wigan or Doncaster many of whom as much as anything else were voting as a protest against years of austerity and the light will take to discovering that brexit was all about massive deregulation and a rolling back of the well first night rolling back of the welfare state I don't know where that's come so be by deregulation what do you mean health and safety regulations I mean getting rid of unnecessary laws for example in my industry in the construction world you have to go through a dreadful thing called the EU procurement process if in the public sector you want to you know you want to sort of let's say build a building and the nature that is it just adds massive time and cost to the the overall production cost of that building much of that is totally unnecessary so it's not about in a getting rid of health and safety legislation you know much of which is sensible but let's be honest let's be absolutely honest about is some health and safety legislation is daft right and we should have a confidence to do away with it much of it much of it is actually just about it part of my home I saw post breaks your vision is actually it'd be quite nice if we could goes back to you know just good old-fashioned common sense and and that be encouraged so I mean I was just struck by the language you used earlier about this is about deregulating becoming Singapore the image that conjures up to me is of a very market-based economy where workers rights aren't particularly well protected no you know that that's confusing two separate issues and actually let's be very very clear open borders has led to a reduction of workers rights for the reasons that I expressed earlier you know zero-hour contracts and zero real wage growth for a decade but that's what really hits people in the pocket and and nothing R is zero wage great thing to do with the financial grocers initially a bit but the reality is you know this has gone on so we've got the situation now where we've got about foreigner between four and four and a half percent unemployment which historically always meant you would have wage inflation between three and five percent compound right we've got we never the last few years we've had almost zero real wage inflation because right basically we've got lots of jobs and there's very little incentive to invest because basically businesses can bring in as much cheap labour as they want so they've had no incentive to invest he's normally see normally the labour market is restricted so therefore what happens if Labour gets too expensive businesses invest in capital equipment to replace the labor that's happened for last 150 years since the Industrial Revolution why did the migration Advisory Committee report show only a tiny if any correlation between low wages emotion I don't believe it I mean come on come on let's just just just look at the facts it started in 2004 right we've had it for 14 give or take 14 years since the accession countries and we've never ever had before zero real wage inflation and low unemployment it's not coincidence well no but actually there's a greater correlation between that the financial crisis surely because that state wage is really started a steak knife I don't accept that at all you know because because fundamentally we've got such low unemployment and yet we've had such a wage growth ER and historically that just nobody with me that there's a problem with the economy we're not but it has to be because you've got unlimited low skilled immigration well there are there are a whole range of factors where it could be I'm just saying that there has been a report recently which let's be clear about the financial crisis yeah that if that hit us for probably three or four years but the truth is actually the economy has been growing pretty successfully you know we're at the end potentially at the back end in normal economic cycles last somewhere between five and seven years with seven or eight years in here to a recovery post a recession so it's we're sort of do a recession or sunette now now if there is more of course it'll be brakes as well but you know are you preparing for another referendum yeah we're to be honest to be on we're preparing for it for everything because anything could use them absolutely anything could happen and well we just have to be honest anything could happen who knows what will what will go on in Parliament the games that will be played and the net results that I don't know but we have to be prepared we have to be ready and have you thought about the campaign you would run if there were another referendum well just find this interesting because even if I was lead if I was if I was leading the leave campaign I'm 2019 yeah I would make it a campaign about betrayal and nothing whatsoever to do with the European it would be frankly the main campaign would be about trust in democracy yeah and if there was a second referendum I'm absolutely convinced we would win it 6040 because I think I think a number of moderate remain voters have not been impressed the way the EU have bhaved in this negotiation process I think another element of of moderate remain voters would say we've had a vote and we need to respect democracy and the the real danger would be it would be the betrayal of millions of people who had never voted before and we hear wonderful stories of of people who got to the polling booth and you know this was the first time ever it was a massive moment and you know it's democracy is such a great thing to encourage those people to then turn around to them and say sorry folks you know you didn't do as you're told so we've got to rerun it you know I don't know where that would all end but we would look ridiculous and and then think about what just imagine a scenario so it's a button but just imagine a scenario where the Prime Minister comes back with a deal that looks like checkers okay it goes to Parliament Parliament can't pass it surely then you would be on the same side as many remain as in saying actually let's have a referendum and let's have three options remote um no I would say let's look quite brightly you frankly quite partly quite rightly Parliament should vote down Chequers because it's a really really bad deal and and then then B then the MPs I think should listen to the mood of the country which is let's just leave and by the way leaving means no money and and I think that is the mood of the country I don't think Westminster realizes that I don't think the media realized that but that in my view is the mood of the country just leave now you're right what what I think will happen is Parliament through some weird mechanism will say we've either got to we've got to extend article 50 and we protect and there might even be a motion to have a second referendum if there was to be a second referendum it's not three answers it's two answers do you accept checkers or do you accept the WTO deal and a WTO deal would win hands down I'm not gonna have an argument you about this but I feel I have to say the EU would say and I suspect that withdrawal agreement will say very very clearly that the 39 billion is a liability payment not a payments about the future who'll earth would sign to pay a million pounds or 39 billions of pounds without a sensible deal that is acceptable in return I mean you just you just couldn't sanction it you could not sanction it and let's remember the House of Lords no less you know our noble peers milord they said there is no legal liability to pay a beam right when you leave when you leave a golf club or gym you don't pay for the future pensions of all the staff in that club yeah well I was just saying there's good there will be an argument about this to be an argument but you know the money's in our pocket it's not in their pocket would you if we sign the withdrawal deal and let's say we sign and leave we do at that point use that 39 billion as a negotiating and just make renege on that sorry I mean there are some people say you know we'll use that as a bargaining chip once we've left and we signed an agreement we are foolish enough to sign up withdrawal agreement without some form of acceptable trade agreement you know being there simultaneously and we've signed that legally then of course legally we've got to pay how stupid would we be okay I mean you know we can't have a trade agreement simultaneously so why not because they won't negotiate with what we will not have a trade agreement before we leave the European Union but the EU have said to us they said the EU have said to us they've said to leave means leave when when John Longworth went over there a few months ago you can have a Canada Star deal any time you want after you left yeah but you agree that what happens is you agree the heads of terms yep okay it's like a it's like a lease in property you agree the heads of terms you say right the deals done and the minute after midnight on the 29th of March right we're gonna send you X billion pounds and the deal is in place the Canada Star deal can we just go back to the prime minister famine that's how it will work and and people say people talk about oh yeah but you've got all these problems with this sort of WTO schedules and things that we do you agree ahead of terms you deposit the schedules with the WTO and you've got 10 years basically as I understand with the WTO basically to then sort out dotting the is and crossing the t's all the boring stuff but it's not definite across identities it's dealing with I think at last count it was about 25 complaints as to what we've put in so far each of which will require a dispute resolution and and and and that that is standard normal practice under the way the WTO works mmm but guess what trade goes on in the interim mmm at what point did Teresa may lose your support if you have if she ever had it a minute after she finished the Florence speech okay we live we were the first people to criticize it when lots of Tory MPs were saying how wonderful it was we we smelt we smelt what it was and you know how it was a terrible speech she conceded lows and asked for nothing so you were you were on board with Lancaster House yes that was a great speech you know um and that's that that's breaks it hmm excellent and and if she if she if she wakes up tomorrow morning having seen this on live stream and say thanks goodness I must meet Richard for the first night you know he's right [Applause] actually let's do a Canada Star deal then you know away we go yeah I don't want to spend ages on this but I have to say do you accept the fact that that will cause enormous problems for Ireland look whole Irish thing has been inflated very cleverly by the other side with complicit help from our own officials and this is deeply shocking they have convicted this issue so let's be very clear we've said we don't want a hard border the Ireland has said we don't want a hard border the EU have said they don't want a hard border the –use own experts last council he wrote this great pamphlet smart borders to I think it's called it's really important to get into this because because there is all this stuff the technology is there right to deal with it away from the border so you don't need a hard border and we've just fallen almost deliberate almost deliberately for their negotiating tactic so I we now have in the last 10 days we have direct evidence how do you check a chicken with technology how do you check a chicken with technology yeah I mean the world the World Trade Organization will impose those checks on the boarder under WTO rules which we love so what happens to chickens that go through Rotterdam into the eu-27 to customers you know they work there if they've come from outside let me tell you what happens they checked 12 miles inland there also where there's will there's a way it well geography gets in the way in the case of Northern Ireland I mean if you if you go to Rotterdam there are lanes that things are streamed down which you can't do it once you've crossed the border in Ireland you've crossed and your loss so a practically lost practically that word matter secondly what happens to regulatory checks what happens what happens the checks about standards and things like that if they're not done on the border well the reality is um if you're exporting to a country you've got to produce those goods for that country but it's all done by firstly let's take all the liners I think there's only about 50 firms that really are large enough frankly to worry about a third of a third of what goes across that border as I understand is milk and livestock right and they're about 50 big firms most of them can have it they can either be authorized economic operators and or trusted trader status if the realities take Diageo that makes a delicious drink called Guinness and it sends loads of its Northern Ireland every year and it doesn't get checked on the border that it's taste right okay um Diageo send a cheque to HMRC for a quarter of a billion pounds a year but that's it and they don't get a single cheque from HMRC guess what HMRC trust them but this is where your vision of deregulation runs into it isn't it I mean let's just say we become this buccaneering free trading low tariffs economy right it's a good word it's a great one at that point surely surely at that point there is a massive incentive for people here to take advantage of our lower tariffs and go sell stuff through the border that doesn't exist inside the market I just don't buy it yeah but competition is a good thing and let's remember that and let's just think about so what'swhat's Ireland's corporation tax twelve and a half percent ours is currently 19 heading down to 17 what northern in my view Northern Ireland should be what we should have around some of our other ports around the country we should the whole of Northern Ireland should be basically a free port I just imagine you know the economy on steroids that'll be fantastic for Northern Ireland you know in the same way that Teesside that Felix Tate we should have free ports so that you create these tax-free zones so that Goods can come in you value-add and they go out no tariffs you know and that's fantastic and that creates manufacturing jobs in some of the poorest most vulnerable parts of our country that's part of what we should be able okay I mean I by that I mean I don't think it deals with Northern Ireland I don't attendance in a session on Northern Ireland so I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep moving on sorry yeah I did get distracted it's so exciting um we we've heard it direct from EU officials that our own officials haven't put forward the sort of proposals that have been put forward by the European research group in terms of dealing with the Irish issue that's the basic starting point for a negotiation apparently you know unless we're being lied to by those officials apparently our side haven't even asked for that that's the directive if this technology exists why isn't it being used on the Norway Sweden border I mean why is why hasn't been deployed anywhere yet there is no border that does what the ERG it's absolutely true what the ERG says we should be doing the whole point of technology is progress I mean you know oh so if okay if you know if who's it if if Graham Bell hadn't invented the phone we wouldn't have the iPhone I mean come on you got to look forwards not say well because no one's ever done it doesn't mean it can't be done it's it's it's a unique opportunity that we should embrace to say to what actually this could set the gold standard for the whole world in terms of how you deal with this stuff and what the EU is saying is when you've invented it that's fine until then we need to have the backstop right no do need the backstop but haven't you just haven't you just said that actually this is technology we will need to develop well most of it exists right in my view a combination of cameras trust the trader status and authorised economical operators deals with it if the EU say you know what let's try that it's not perfect but it's okay let's try that for five years and then develop if it can get even better great let's let's embrace it and say let's develop the best system in the world let's also remember you know you talk about inflating an issue the truth is the quantity of money of trade that goes across the Irish border in the overall context of the EU it's literally a round of drinks what in your ideal world what would be the terms under which we left I mean if you could if you could design the brexit deal what would it be if it based on the Canada deal yeah with no pluses hmm one plus one a half plus is you don't your middle classes I mean it's it's like it needs a whole security stuff surely I mean we're not well in my view security is completely separate and yeah let's remember security security is covered you know the best bits of our security in our country is NATO and the five eyes relationship and the other four are is a lot part of the EU but there's nevertheless there's still quite a lot of rather effective internal security coordination and quite properly the Prime Minister offered that and she offered it unconditionally which you know you can have a debate about that but the Prime Minister's offered that let's also remember take Galileo for example you know the project and where we've invested nearly two billion pounds Galileo only works if they use three bits of sovereign British soil around the world right if they want to check us out of it fine we'll develop our own system let's make it better and faster but by the way guys you can't you three bits of turf around the world I reckon I know the answer to this what do you think would be the economic impact of that kind of brexit on Britain in the short medium and long term but if we make it very clear what the reason we've got uncertainty the moment is because no one knows how it's gonna look if we make it crystal clear the Prime Minister wakes up tomorrow morning accepts the Canada deal Tice was right let's go for it then actually the uncertainty is dealt with hmm let me tell you you know our stock market will go up people will start you know investing more and more money into the UK it's literally like a it's like a switch that's waiting to go off so the opportunity is there now if the government keeps progressing you know this this this deal that nobody likes except number 10 and a few people in the cabinet then that's the worst of all worlds economically politically why does the Japanese ambassador talk about brexit as a betrayal the views of Japanese investment then I don't know you'll have to explain himself I mean I can have my bets if I don't know I can explain what he says I'm not going to speak for him but basically what he says is our investments in this country are based on the fact of ease of access to the European market and a Canada style deal whatever its benefit yeah is going to create friction in our trade with your opinion which will make trade harder doesn't it doesn't need to create friction it will say people say great fiction and if it creates I mean you know at the end of the day tariffs is sort of 1 to 3% you know that's not that's not the difference between a good business and a good products and a bad business and a bad products um I don't think that betrays years investments or you know the Japanese have invested they've got some fantastic plants you know Nissan in Sunderland I think is is one of the top three or four car plants in the world I mean it's amazing it we should be incredibly proud of it I guess what we might bought buy more Nissan's hopefully electric ones you know produced in this country rather than buying Mercedes or BMW I don't know it's called it's called buying power but it's also but but also a modern economy depends fundamentally on trade yep economies depend more heavily on trade with their neighbors and they do on trade with other people I mean okay would you oh yeah which we have a word about geography yeah are you in the sort of Liam Fox school that geography is dead I wish it was dead when I was at school very bad the reality is we live in a global world and things move incredibly quickly all over the world and so I think the issue of physical proximity is much much less important than it was that's you know that that's the real truth there's even a geographic effect on eBay I mean trade patterns on eBay show a massive geographical balance for all sorts of reasons shipping speed language all sorts of reasons so even in this most modern of trading places let alone more old-fashioned manufacturing I mean in which case fine let's then everybody should accept let's do a quick Canada deal and move on it all points to a Canada deal which is why it's so inexplicable that this government refuses to embrace it but but coming back to my initial point to Canada deal will imply greater difficulty in trading with the universe but let's remember you know under the World Trade Organization some dreadful certainly they might sort of trade facilitations agreements or something um you know the whole point is that actually countries are being encouraged to reduce friction there's a legal obligation under WTO to reduce friction not increase it so again it's a great opportunity to say hey what guess what let's you know let's between us embrace that and let's make it you know frictionless on the basis of a kind of deal it's only the it's it's either people that don't want us to leave or is the EU because they're negotiating that say there's gonna be all sorts of friction put up well the EU will put up various we know that what they're saying they will and if we if we drop our terrace with European Union there's another WTO provision that says we have to do it with everyone are you seriously saying we scrap all our tariffs no I tell you what stuff that we don't produce there's no point having tariffs on coffee on oranges right and things like that that we don't produce of course we should scrap those immediately of course we should say to the United States we're going to reduce 10% on cars to zero and where are you on agriculture are you in favor of maintaining agricultural tariffs to protect for my sector here yeah I think I think on the farm sector yes you know farming has always been subsidy subsidized by the you know way before we join you most developed nations around the world subsidized their farmers you know food security is critically important so yes we should give that but what we do with it you know at the end of the day the great thing about having control is you can say well let's change the rules here there and let's try it for three or four years and you might make some mistakes guess what let's change them learn from them the big arable Barons they accept that they've had a pretty good deal compared to the small livestock farmers up in you know places like the Lake District so that's got a change that's about having our own control being able to make our own decisions and guess what try things and if we make a mistake adjust it you said of the No Deal notices that the government came out with I've got the quotes here that it was scare mongering made up by the same people who designed the referendums project fear this is Dominic Rob you're talking about no he read it out he didn't write the notes but he he he basically approved he read them out as I say they would have been produced they would be produced by officials in the departments for him as the winner yeah and you know but it's a but he's not a remain a scare monger is he um no he's not he's a break City but but but the reality is in my view in everything that has come out of of the government departments it has been a stream of negativity but let's just you know I've talked about some of the positives here this evening how much positivity have we heard come out of any single government department about break city I'm happy I might be wrong on some stuff but I'm not wrong on everything well I think you hear quite a lot of positivity out of Defra actually at the moment but but the fact the fact is isn't there just the hint of a possibility that some of these forecasts might be right based on the track record know what what track record apparently yeah I mean you know these are the same people that said we were going to lose half a million jobs the banks would flee the tech firms would leave property prices would crash and you know all of this stuff and actually exactly the opposite happened exactly the opposite and this let's let's remember you know two days ago the Chancellor had a windfall amount of cash to spend right because these officials in the Treasury got their forecasts a year ago badly wrong okay so and these so they've just got a track record of being too conservative to- getting it wrong and actually you know i live in a world where the glass is always half full it's never half I'm still the Treasury always is is understating how much money we're gonna have what do that wolf for the last for the last year you know consistently we it turned out that actually we've been we're gonna borrow less and less this year and next year so record is not good it's never been good okay I've done this very badly because the whole section of questions I'm not going to ask you because it's how I read it earlier but I want to talk to you about politics a little bit and the first thing is leave means leave simply a brexit lobbying organization or is it the infrastructure for a new political party it's the former definitely know and there are people within it who SIA is possibly the latter we're it we're a we're a group we're cross party no party we've had a range of speakers on our rallies which have been great fun for anybody's been to them and I don't know we are we are a lobbying organization getting the message out that you know we've got a chat checkers and what's amazing is you know the impact of social media to over a million people have watched on livestream our rallies I mean that's that's a huge number of people just like this event just like this event you know yeah but take for instance the hypothetical that we ended up signing up to a deal that is checkers that Parliament votes it through that becomes where we are there are those who say in those circumstances we need a new you kid and you're kind of creating the infrastructure I mean are you thinking on those terms all those lines I'm not currently because I'm just totally focused on persuading who needs persuading to chat checkers and then there won't be a scenario little no I've actually got a day job who who would you like to be the next leader of the Tory puzzle oh goodness a brexit ear that will help look there's well firstly how long do you think the current Prime Minister will survive do you think she'll be there until we left I don't think she'll be there in 12 months time okay and I think the next leader of the party will be a BRICS is here there would be three or four that I think would do an excellent job oh go on three or four names I mean we will know Boris wants to put his name forward you know there's other names like you know quite sure dominant would put his name forward you know who knows Jacob my penny any more denied my it's pretty right there's a whole load of you know great breaks the tears will all be you know ambitious about it do you think if the Conservative Party changed its leader now we would be able to do brexit better do you think that will be helpful if the Tory party was up suddenly unless the Prime Minister wakes up very soon and says you know I've misread this we need to go to a counter deal if she did that or if she woke up and said actually we're just going to WTO she would be the most popular Prime Minister for a very long time so she still has a huge opportunity and the question is whether she'll grasp it but otherwise then in order to get the sort of break so that I think leavers voted for then the sooner there's a change of prime minister the better what if a lot of things play out totally differently and the Prime Minister comes back with a deal that looks far more Yee a than WTO and Parliament passes that that's not is not breaks it you know I mean before I think before you know during the referendum lots of the year the remainders were saying you know any ei would be the worst of all worlds and now they're saying it's the but to be fair lots of leavers were saying we're not gonna believe in the single mark I mean things were said in the referendum by both sides that they'd like us to forget now I'm not sure I can't think of any you know people on our side that we're saying we're gonna stand the single market the government's own leaflet said we will you know our relationship with the single mother were on your side they weren't on our side um but know that the EI is not is not the solution there is a there is a there is a legitimate debate to be had about well if we're not able to get this sorted over the next few months because we haven't got the right people doing it then what's the holding pattern you can have a legitimate say well you could have EI with a sunset clause of let you know but it needs to be short I mean we've we've the camp you don't even need a transition period let alone extending it so you could live with an ETA you could look I think I think it's not a question living with it um it's a question of it wouldn't surprise me if as some form of leaving process if Parliament players all sorts of silly games we could end up there you know I think it would be a bad place to end up and the real danger is unless you put in a very strict sunset clause that it terminates that we end up staying there and that would be just a huge wasted opportunity but in the event through incompetence or EU stubbornness or whatever reason you might want to say is responsible for it we end up without a trade deal as we're coming towards exit day do you accept the need for something to tide us through in between leaving and signing up to that new deal just if nothing else just to prevent businesses remember to adapt twice yeah well then get it sorted now let's not you know we don't we get as I said just but just now we don't need a transition period you know we can just you know we can deal with stuff we can sit down and say right guys we've got to sort this by Christmas but in the event we don't you'd be you could say negative I'm an optimist you know I'd love to resume it further so Richard just come in and help us sort it out cuz you know this is a blessing and yeah there's civil servants who drive and for whatever reason they're just not succeeding who said she's only got 12 months left she's not going ringing you know III wrote in con home a year ago that you know we needed to replace the negotiating team you know they haven't and the situation's got worse just one final question about the great beyond I mean what beyond brexit do you think most needs to be fixed about this country I mean what is the public policy priority for this country wants we're out I think we need to as a conservative that believes in in free markets and enterprise innovation we need to the most important thing is actually we need to regain our mojo our confidence our belief in our country and say actually you know we're fantastic let's believe in ourselves and we could debate about the economic rights of that but in my view go for growth encourage entrepreneurs small businesses and all the economic policies should be driving that driving innovation it encourage disruptors and you know just but there's a really important thing to say actually because we're not far from the city here you know the biggest threat to the City of London is not brexit it's a hideous thing called method to right you know and this is really important stuff because no politicians are talking about this you know but that is what's happening people are leaving London not because it breaks is because under method two they can't talk to their own office and read their own research in New York this stops happening now that's why that's that's them that's about deregulating it's about smart regulation not daft regulation I've done I was wrong I said take care of the boring ways finished no no this this is an exciting way to finish because this is the highlight of the evening I'll give you a beer mug thank you very mu and brexit beer mug and say thank you Edison oh oh oh hang on I've got doing a quick fire round oh thank you Ben ready yep beer or burgundy burgundy Beatles or the stones Beatles cheddar or camembert cheddar this will matters to me Oasis or blur Oasis autumn beef bourguignon or steak and ale pie people Bergen you Deary me UK are changing Europe or any other thing tank you can think of so I have to think about that I want to tear that mug back Richard thank you ever so much it's been brilliant [Applause]
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so what do you think about the result amazed he'll smile it's a crushing blow form a sort of defeat was almost unimaginable and I am delighted what she had proposed was quite ridiculous it was the worst of everything everybody was unhappy with it and you know it is a complete mess and really we've got to find a way out of this mess she's completely failed to build a consensus either in the country or elsewhere in Parliament and so somehow we've got to get out of this mess and the people have shown through their MPs that her solution is not a solution we're happy with we want Britain to be rule makers not rule takers so what do you think the solution is now moving forward because this is catastrophic Aliyah failed my view is we should have the people's vote and that way we can now make an informed more informed choice about what's going to happen my view is there should be three options on the table there should be the choice of staying there should be the choice that may want and they should also be the hard leave people should get to vote initiative the first and second choice and that way people then can find out exactly what we're supposed to head towards a future with and I think that this government is not respected the will of the people what they voted for is absolutely appalling we are in a situation potentially where we are in minority rule and that is in breach of our most fundamental human rights shouldn't be allowed to happen because the only way that the people will be able to influence things on the world stage or the national stage is by way of demonstration and it's vitally important that the seat of democracy sets the example not only to this nation but to the rest of the world so do you think that the minute that brexit was voted for the government should have just cracks on with it out suppose that article 50 and left with no deal I think any negotiation you always put what your bottom line is so if we'd have said we're Lu leaving with a world trade deal that would be a bottom line and anything we're able to build on that by way of mutual consent would have been a benefit but the bottom line is most of the world trades under a World Trade Organization deal and they trade perfectly satisfactorily tonight about the result of Mays deal I think it's what most people wanted the deal has been voted down it didn't satisfy anybody and you know for me it paves the way to having another vote on brexit for the WTO crowd you were cheering over there Minh creases the chances of that happening as well so I think there's a jubilant atmosphere down here at the moment and we found some common ground between the no deal breaks toes and the remainders so moving forward I'm guessing you wanted people's well well you already said that she already told me this enough another interview that I did if you guys want to check that out on my channel and why do you think the people as well as the solution moving forward it's the only democratic way out of this mess because what we're asking for is more democracy they've clearly made a hash of this in that building over there the politicians have let us all down and now we have to take the question back to the British people it's time that we took back control from the politicians and we have the final say on the future of our country glad it went down very glad now a lot of people over that being suggesting that the solution to this is a people's vote what do you think about that you want a people's vote I mean a second referendum was the last vote monkeys know I think we had the vote don't need another one you don't need more in fighting between the country we had referendum disrespect to his aunt and that democracy take course so what would you say to the people over there who are saying that this is an undemocratic Sorna people's vote it's actually democratic so want even more democracy they think their people's vote is actually more democracy let's implement the last democracy and then they can have more democracy after that
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but I saw it on the televisions afternoon I listened very carefully to her statements and I've since read a copy of it and of course I'm very happy to meet her we need to have a discussion with the Prime Minister we need to ensure that Parliament has an opportunity to vote on proposals that prevent us crashing out of the EU in the end of next week and we also need to ensure that we give security uncertainties the people of this country that there will not be a crashing out at the end of this process what will your negotiating position be when you meet the Prime Minister what will you be demanding of her we put forward our proposals which are to ensure there is a customs union with the European Union that there is access to those markets and above all those protections of our standards of consumer environmental and of course workers rights and will ensure that those are there on the table so that there is no danger of crashing out but we're also very clear that there has to be an absolute guarantee that the Good Friday Agreement maintains so we continue with the process of peace in Northern Ireland this is or could be a fairly major compromise from the Prime Minister are you willing to compromise on Labour's red lines but so far she hasn't shown that kind of compromise but I'm pleased that today she is indicated she will accept a view of Parliament and is prepared to reach out and have that discussion our basis is about protecting jobs protecting living standards and ensuring that our trade continues in the future and that we don't become some kind of deregulated offshore tax haven on the shores of Europe it is about supporting people and their jobs but it's also about the kind of country around the future one that's going to be investing in the future of our people one is going to be guaranteeing higher living standards and better wages but would you be willing to me the Prime Minister somewhere in the middle perhaps around the customs union a simpler solution rather than the extra guarantees that you want we voted for a customs union in the house yesterday it narrowly lost we understand the importance of it because that helps to maintain trade we will meet the Prime Minister we recognise that she has made I recognize my responsibility to represent the people that supported labour in the last election and the people who didn't support labour but nevertheless want certainty and security for their own future and that's the basis on which we will meet her and we'll have those discussions and proposals will be put to Parliament to understand early next week so that we can avoid crashing out at the end of next week and we can guarantee the protection of those jobs and that trade in the future so it sounds as if you are in a compromising mood potentially I have been meeting MPs from all parties over the last couple of weeks long discussions with a lot of colleagues and it's been very interesting process and yes there is some common ground there are some areas that it's very difficult to agree on but the principles have to be as I've set out that however people voted in the referendum in 2016 whether they voted remain or they voted leave they didn't vote for lower living standards they didn't vote to lose their jobs and actually there's far more that unites people on both sides about the kind of society we can be then divides them do you agree with the Prime Minister that it's important that Britain does not take part in the European elections next month well it looks as though that may not be the we may not be taking part in those elections I don't see that as the most important issue one way or the other the most important issue is to make sure we don't crash out of the of the EU next week with no deal and what I believe will be a degree of chaos that follow as a result of it it's one last one last I'm not compromising then in that case would so are you saying that you are willing to compromise on your red lines if it means avoiding that crash out which you believe would be so detrimental we will discuss with the prime minister I don't want to set any limits one way or the other ahead of those meetings I want you to understand the principles on which I will go into those meeting recognising the needs of the people that have elected all MPs to Parliament and the need to avoid a dangerous crashing out just lastly given that you will now be in negotiations with the Prime Minister does that mean we can expect you not to bring a vote no confidence in the government and extra police we hold in reserve and our right to bring a motion of no confidence in the government if the government proves its incapable of commanding a majority in the House of Commons time will tell on that but our responsibilities the opposition is to make sure that we don't crash out and is I believe to make sure that we have a government does command a majority in the house and does indeed command support majority support across the country at the moment we don't have that
Brexiter Andrew DESTROYS Sky News & Remainer
Christian foundation a think tank not terribly well-known beyond a resolution foundation it says that they've got their crystal ball out and they say the damage to the economy caused by brexit will be offset will offset the modest wage gains for British workers in the lower end of the pay scale the resolution foundation part of its remit is to try and make lower paid people get more money so you think they'll be quite pleased about that apparently not because it's going to be offset by a cut that by the cut in immigration is going to be offset by the falling value of the pound and higher inflation and and they make the usual assumption that immigration was the major factor in the referendum campaign well actually it was factor of course it was actually but of another major but that suits the Guardian and the resolution foundation skewed view of people like me who voted to leave the European Union that we're swivel-eyed looms racists and all the rest of it yes we do want controlled immigration which you can't have in the European Union but actually a lot of us also wanted sovereignty and Britain to take its own decisions so they're now saying this is another reason why it's all going to be doom and gloom and despondency and what I says how does a resolution Foundation know now other countries left the European Union we're in uncharted waters why don't they say this why don't they say this is speculative I think this is the problem with so much as the kind of brexit propaganda that you hear from people like Andrew is that the Candida expert analysis is sick of experts these people said that the economy was going to fall off the edge of a cliff well the stock market now is close to an all-time high we're within about a hundred points being an all-time high that's something they didn't expect JP Morgan have to cut interest rates they chose to I think that it was a panic response but actually cutting interest rates will benefit people who got mortgages that would benefit people who make investment decisions of course it won't benefit if you've got savings but Santander horns can't we're benefiting but there's a lot of guesswork going here people said remember the chance in this jacket is gonna have to be a punishment budget of budget immediately they were gonna have to raise interest rate the reverse is happening because the Chancellor of Exchequer has changed I mean he isn't in his position anymore because the this dream uncertainty called by caused by brexit look of course it answers uncertainty and we are in uncharted territory but these think tanks are making massive assumptions based on all the projects their garbage we heard before the referendum which the British public have rejected your own paper carried a story last week that 30% of properties that are currently on the market have seen some sort of price reduction I think people desperate to get on the property ladder will be thrilled about that yeah but not people who are have put all their all their savings into buying your house in order to give themselves effectively as prices go up they go down and the property market will be just fine I'm quite sure you're saying that everything that has happened so far is well actually some things actually other things have happened so the stock market has done very well it's soared it's much higher than before Brinkley that helps people's pension funds that helps a lot I think we can both agree that I would I want you to be right I really do good but I have a serious concern that by choosing to leave the European Union we've BAE we've committed the biggest act of national insanity since the last bigger cycloning Dolly the sheep I don't know but I do think in every time I come on here and I talked about how passionate I was about remaining in the EU I get slaughtered online by lots of people who quite rightly have a complete right to their own opinion and who believe fervently that they should have left the EU I respect that opinion but I get accused of not caring about low paid workers and people who are affected in northern often working-class communities by an influx of immigrants and then it's simply not the case my issue is that by leaving the EU I don't think we're going to rectify those problems and let's not forget that by being a member of the EU we got maternity leave we got paid holiday we got them actually before did where you say Elizabeth wasn't around that you know people will be started defecating on the beaches really in the open you I didn't say that what I said was a hundred percent of our environmental legislation has been drawn up why why should it be why should it be on why should I just say you have to tell us how to look after environment they no good at it well I there any better why do they know better in Slovenia than we do here I I think you're missing the broad which is that we just think I have to get back to join borders such a seismic scale that I worry that will cause decades of uncertainty financial legislative governmental you've got Liam Fox scrambling around needing trade negotiators he's only got a hundred and he wants a thousand do you know what I worry about Moyes that we stayed in this basket case called the European Union which is what it is paying more than we're getting out of it the most of the eurozone is in recession and it's getting worse the Italian banks have run out of money Greece is teetering on the edge and they're still plowing on with ever more integration thinking they know best do we really want to be governed by five unelected president and be told no we don't and we're not going to play the resolution foundation they might as well just going to up to Mystic Meg for all they know about it this think tank is a man called Torsten belt you remember him he worked the Labour Party during that glorious election campaign run by Ed Miliband and he was the architect of the edge stone do you remember that eight promises or the turn promises carton stone where is the edge stone in tatters like the idiots who've written this report is actually technically anyway anyway let's move on I think you should be in a Danish crime Donna yeah
‘NONSENSE!’ Brexiteer SHUTS DOWN Remainer claiming US will determine UK TRADE after Brexit
The Brexiteer MP Graham Stringer clashed with Liberal Democrat Tom Brake on future trade deals with the US after Brexit. Mr Stringer was quick to call Mr Brakes claims “nonsense” after the Lib Dem MP suggested that the US would be able to take advantage of the UK after leaving the EU. During a Sky News interview, Mr Brake began: “I’m afraid when people were offered two and half years ago, they were offered things like the 350 million pound a week for the NHS, that is not going to happen. The fact is we will be able to negotiate our trade deals directly after BrexitGraham Stringer“They were offered a distinct drop in immigration, that hasn’t happened, in fact, immigration from outside the EU has gone up.“They were offered that we were going to be able to make our own laws.“What is going to happen in relation to trade deals is that the US will make our laws in relation to animal welfare. Mr Stringer then interrupted to call Mr Brakes claims “nonsense” and added that the UK hasn’t left th…
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urge to leave and the desire to remain to paraphrase one of our guests they are both elements of the same country sometimes even at war within ourselves Pissarro Bourne and Melissa kite both writers of the right join me now a piece of a born the the article that you have published today reads like a sort of a road map to a source of Damascus brakes as has paralyzed the system his turn Britain into a laughingstock and it's a certain to make us poorer and to lead to lower incomes and lost jobs we beretta tears would be wise to acknowledge all this when did you discover this be followed events for the last few months there has been some very grim moments for the brexit tears the wave of disinvestment the city people being told to sign contracts which assure their employers are happy to go and live in or work and work in Europe you've got the dissin Honda and Swindon the disinvestment in the Northeast almost every day you've got another body blow which shows that the economic story told by the brexit ears ahead of June 2016 was just false in the end I said sorry but I wasn't one of the economists and the economic model which depended on the World Trade Organization has collapsed for reasons was hard to tell in 2016 namely the rise of protectionism in trumps United States and she's China big protectionist blocks with very little room for manoeuvre for little countries like Britain well it's a kite what do you make of it well I mean I totally accept that we're in a mess but I would say the problem is not brexit the problems the lack of brexit Peter and I totally understand that you're in your piece you say that you feel very torn inside and I totally understand that there's a huge problem here at Westminster and everyone's ripping each other to shreds over it but that's not how seventeen point four million people are feeling and I have not heard one of them say that changing their mind so yes there's a huge layer going on here and everybody seems to be having a collective nervous before exit but they're not gonna menteng brexit and that's the problem and that's why we're in the mess you know he laid out a series of economic disasters as he's seen it is he wrong about that well we're going to have a series of economic disasters if we carry on like this we're in a mess of the MPs own making and the fact that they've decided to have this extra vote in this extra process and not implement the vote that that we've already had in a referendum and they're ignoring the votes of seventeen point four million people including you okay if indeed you did bro vote I'm accepting the UW seemed to have a really well you suggest that he was a blonde I'm suggesting anything's possible at the moment it's important to say that there's been two and a half years and more since the vote and a lot of things have happened we've learnt in a huge amount about what what brexit will be like in the in the interim in the interim I just give a mention they're changing to the WTO and the fact that industries are now leaving Britain we didn't know that was happened before and you said not enough Breck's if we leave BRICS if we leave we're just with no deal it's now quite plain that we are going to wipe out hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions of jobs we have a year's uncertainty and what business leaders are begging for is certainty what they're begging believe any of this that you're talking about it's not what you knew before and I'm not hearing this from anyone else I'm not hearing it on the if you look online at the normal people tours brexit and every brexit voter is saying No Deal second thing which is really scared me knocks me in the boat of solar plexus I'm perfectly happy to acknowledge I was wrong is the the fact that the Union is clearly going to come under enormous threat northern ireland's we didn't understand the importance of the Northern Irish agreement we didn't understand how much Ireland which has haunted Bridget the Great Britain for 500 years maybe you didn't understand it but you're part of the political gracious to you and said always is very brave some of them have said well you know all he said is everything we said three years ago I fully feel foolish what do you think you know you were right then and right now or you know what is it I'm very very happy to accept and I think we all should this is a national a very varied our nation or moment I can be as humble as you like I was wrong I got things wrong I misread things but also for example on the scene support because that's what a lot of bread tears or break leave voters will say we didn't care about all of that we cared about the print when I would say solvency Eve the brexit campaign had fought a general election they'd have been out of office by now they they've done consistently told untruths about what brexit would be like they said though a deal would be easy to get Liam Fox we had there before tea deals of two or three with very small countries the BRIC the assertions by the main brexit campaigns is very important point it's hang on a second the assertions when the main brexit campaigners have turned out to be false we had to know what's gonna happen we have not had it we were told they said the deal would be very easy to negotiate seventeen point four million people are standing firm and they still want every poll is a brexit now if you don't obviously don't read the newspaper stand up for your readers the people who are reading your articles I don't think you have to either you have to be honest it's fascinating really think we've got to leave a rating matters like this you need to be honest thank you very much indeed both of your mother's a kind piece Roebourne thanks for for joining us
Louise Brown and Lucy Gabrielle Dixon speak at the Peoples Vote March and rally in Sunderland. Far right demonstrators constantly and unsucessfully attempt to drown out the speeches. They resort to violence, assaulting a steward whilst attempting to storm the protest.
please everybody kind of Mathies for you [Applause] we need to tell you a few words about why we're here today what the group is hoping to achieve like we said we're both PA we both grew up in Sunderland so we have a right to say what we think as well don't you know of our pranks it is going to hit the Northeast the worse the impact studies have clearly shown to the Northeast but before we go more into that let me clear one thing up I'm sick of Tony ative people calling this anti breaks it made with liberal elite let me tell you elites I am I grew up from round the corner of a Nissan Factory I want to crush it and come the world liberal elite establishments next to the galleries for God's sake and I survived I dunno shows and funds oh I don't even own anything in this country we went to the door – God in the summer was wearing our uncie breaks it stick his person in a crowd but how the bigger or is they Glastonbury do you think the dirt – Carla is an elitist event but don't think so absolutely devastated by Theresa made brexit anything flex is going and here's what I prepared earlier this is no this is paper outside the bridges shopping center they're terrified at the way and this side is going after the announcement the other day Bronx is going to terrible for the Northeast with jobs for NHS the majority of people here wants it people's votes covered join us come and join our group come and join if sign a petition of the people's fault oh it's fine I would now like to introduce you to someone else from Sunderland Lucy this is Lucy Dixon the teenager from Sunderland [Applause] [Applause] can we continue now as well if what you're saying right the next speaker is a sullen teenager Lucy Dixon she's gonna tell us all of our proxy is going to rock her future welcome Lucy [Applause] because I need to get my voice heard by baby Dino we're moving from I still attacking tourism at a college in the Northeast but believe me he will have a massive impact on the creep of I want to take I wanted to come to France with fear and impact on the travel industry on my future I would have to get these and course speed and it's the document that we should not have to have I will be like for me to get the job because that the table work that would have to be fills in for a job this is all I want to do in life I can't think of anything else to do the Koreans when people for what they didn't realize I've taken the consideration in people's future I couldn't move in 2016 [Applause] there are some changes to opportunities in Suitland the travel industry there's trouble e to such – in museums such as the Predacons best hotels such as come human interpretation just around the corner why don't we deserve it but if you I wanted to go to the travel industry then you go experience the world to be able tell customers about destinations and get them advice there are people such as John Hayes which if you don't know where he is he is from Salem and he built the business from almost nothing he had a corner of the dock he had the corner of a baccarat shop and it was divided by a flower climber I would like to be like him in our house over 160 branches located in the nucleus this type of a puzzle to young people like me own futures wrecked [Applause] say you care the people's care the people's know is welcome here clear the people's voice wrong here everybody and every little person in this country he deserves it Vincent future okay [Applause]
your Westminster government the record isn't special there are you talking about Tori specifically I'm not sorry it's Tori's I'm talking about Westminster MPs turning up so why focus on some MEP who don't talking about the European Union by I agree with you about Parliament as well most of them out doing their jobs properly either but regardless of the party so what's the punch of making yeah no that's okay that's fine that's behind that keeps talking to us okay you came in sort of halfway through my point is the EU Commission is undemocratic because of the way it functions so I asked them would you rather have the EU Commission or would you rather have democracy which is just a base question just to get them so if I said would you rather have the EU Commission our democracy what would your answer be it's a stupid question how come I don't know because you don't understand what you're talking about if I don't understand why I'm talking about it you can't correct me isn't it you who doesn't understand what you're talking about you like to sit down for half an hour and we will actually talk and try and educate you because you simple last year I don't care what you are you are an ignorant law student I don't know what you took out so that is something to do with your personal upbringing and how much you attend to your classes but you simply do not know what then what would you say about people like Steve wolf who's the qualified barrister and would agree with me on that point and is also an MEP education I'm telling you who he is what would you say I have never heard of it okay there are judges who regularly let people off who have committed rate because they say because it's got everything to do because there are always people in some authority whose judgment is utterly disgraceful and the fact that you've got this person I've never heard of I'd know their what a reputation you Nigel Farage's yes what about it he's just as qualified to speak he would also agree no no he isn't no ears he lies to his teeth and also what you mean how does he lie through his teeth he just opens his mouth and what has he said specifically the constitutes a lie well what do you what let me try and think it's so long since I you know I cannot remember a single thing that he's ever actually specifically said so I can't oh yes I do because I remember I should be able to tell me what I said no because this is a while ago I don't listen to him anymore and so what he may have said six months ago or two years ago I no longer have him I can no longer bring it to mind you don't know if he's actually like of course I do because as he was speaking I and other people were fully aware that he was lying that he was deceitful that he was dishonest so now wants to know how but I could but I cannot recall now the specific things he said are you a laborer bolsa oh that's not that's none of your business I was just going to ask what you think about jeremy corbyn's position on brexit i think it's ambiguous it's unfortunate and I think it would be a lot better if I'm a divided as to what I think about about about this I cannot work out whether what he is doing is waiting until there is a clear position to articulate against in other words whether he's delaying or not it's a very difficult question I think he is quite wrong those Labour MPs who come from Lee boating areas are now scared of apparently scared of their voters I think they misunderstand what the intelligence of their own voters I think they hold their own voters as though they're not to be trusted I I think they're very wrong I think they're very wrong but but there I'm quite sure that if their voters were to consider now the current situation and consider it dispassionately they would maybe continue to vote because I personally have friends who are leave boaters very understandable reason you don't have to not be friends with somebody just to say no no don't do that I can understand that point of view but a lot of people I tell you what I believe to be a true story I don't know whether it is this was I think on the radio but it was about to parently a lady who was a reasonably senior nurse who decide to bone need and the quote was I'm good about me because that means there be more money for the Health Service now whether this is a an imaginary or whether this really happens who the hell knows but there were many people who said and then I was with a lady today from Wales from just outside Cardiff and she was talking about her friends and she said and her friends said so I assumed this lady was telling the truth her friends and friends said well what I want to do it's obvious that remain is going to win and what I want to show is I'm gonna hit one in the eye against Cameron so he voted Lea that was his choice though because it was his choice but what he was doing he was working on the assumption everybody was for a while quite a few people were bright enough to realize it wasn't like that that that remain was going to win so he was then free to register an auntie Cameron vote that's how he perceived what he was doing yeah anyway it's been a pleasure talking to you as well be nice have a good day cute a nice chassis
Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn attacks the CONservativs on Brexit, and thinks that having a general election will solve the Brexit problems…. yeah, replace the Tories (a remain party) with Labour LibDem coalition (both are also remain parties). The Brexit voters got well and truley screwed by the establishment – Brexit won’t happen.
Recorded from BBC News Channel HD, 10 January 2019.
WATCH: Adam Bolton LASHES Remainer Soubry over ‘FANTASY’ Brexit deal demands
REMAINER Anna Soubry faced a brutal slap down by Sky News host Adam Bolton after she claimed the whole of the UK should remain in the single market and customs union after Brexit.
Adam Bolton savaged Remainer Anna Soubry and said her demand for the UK to remain in the single market and customs union after Brexit was a “fantasy”.
Tory MP Ms Soubry said plans for the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland to have “continued regulatory alignment” after Brexit would resolve the border issue.
The plan would keep EU regulation in place in Northern Ireland, effectively keeping Northern Ireland in the single market and customs union.
But Ms Soubry said businesses also need a “solution”. She told Sky News: “The problem is, you can’t offer it to one part of the United Kingdom and not the rest.
“So whilst it’s a good idea, we would like it please across the whole of the UK.”
Ms Soubry said Britain should have a similar agreement to Ukraine, who are in the single market but not a member of the European Union. She insisted a similar deal with the EU would provide “certainty” and “prosperity” for the UK.
The Tory MP claimed Sky News viewers are “fed up” with Brexit. She said: “They are fed up with this Brexit. They want certainty. They want us to get on with it and this is a way of getting on with it.
“And I’m prepared to compromise and so should the hard Brexiteers.”
“Because John Mills is right that that offer has not been made to the UK as a whole, it’s only been made to Northern Ireland.”
Ms Soubry said in response: “To be fair, we don’t know. My sense is that Europe does want to do a deal. The problem is, frankly, on our part. We haven’t worked out what we want.”
The plan for a “continued regulatory alignment” was shut down on Monday by Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) leader Arlene Foster. Ms Foster said “any form of regulatory divergence” between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland would be unacceptable.
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then the European unit is made very clear right way through who is that you can't cherry pick you're either in the single market or you're not know and if you're in the single market then there's going to have to be a pretty fair amount of freedom a bit of Labor that's going to have to be directed to your jurisdiction and the European Court of Justice and all these other things CJ does not have jurisdiction in the UK but in a certain sense honestly you're fantasizing aren't you because he's right that that offer has not been made to the UK hello it's only been made into northern oil tea to be fair we don't know and my sense is and I I meet a number of ambassadors and their consoles and obviously we talk to other that other parliamentarians throughout Europe my sense is that Europe does want to do a deal the problem is frankly at on our part
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ABOUT: Remainer MPs today dropped their bid to force a parliamentary vote demanding a second referendum – admitting they do not have enough support to back it.The gang of Labour and Tory MPs who were backing a so-called People’s Vote blasted Jeremy Corbyn for killing off their chances of winning.Tory MP Dr Sarah Wollaston had planned to table the ‘doctor’s amendment’ to next Tuesday’s crunch Brexit motion to demand a second referendum.But stood outside Parliament this morning flanked by pro-EU Labour MPs Luciana Berger and Chuka Umunna, she announced a U-turn.The shock moves comes after a massive row among Remainer MPs over when to finally show their hand a call a Commons vote on another referendum.Although Tony Blair – an arch Remainer – today said there is a more than 50 per cent chance that another referendum could be held.Speaking at a hastily arranged press conference on the steps of the Palace of Westminster, Dr Wollaston said: ‘It is with great regret we will not be laying that amendment, because at this stage and until we have the leader of the Opposition’s backing, it would not pass.’ Ms Berger blasted her party leader for refusing to back another referendum – and accused him of ignoring the overwhelming wishes of his own members.She said: ‘As things stand we have just 30 sitting days of parliament until we are due to exit the European Union.’There is no consensus across the House of Commons, and there is an urgent need for
remainer mps today drop their bid to force a parliamentary vote demanding a second referendum admitting they do not have enough support to back it the gang of labour and Tory MPs who are backing it so-called people's vote blasted Jeremy Corbyn for killing off their chances of winning tora MP dr. Sara Williston had planned to table the doctor's amendment to next Tuesday's crunch brexit motion to demand a second referendum but stood outside Parliament this morning flanked by Pro EU Labour MPs Luciana burger and Djuka Yamana she announced to u-turn the shock moves comes after a massive role among remain RAM PS / wind to finally show their hand to call a commons vote on another referendum although Tony Blair and arch remainer today said there is a more than 50% chance that another referendum could be held speaking at a hastily arranged press conference on the steps of the Palace of Westminster dr. Williston said it is with great regret we will not be laying that amendment because at this stage and until we have the leader of the opposition's backing it would not pass miss Berger blasted her party leader for refusing to back another referendum and accused him of ignoring the overwhelming wishes of his own members she said as things stand we have just 30 sitting days of parliament until we are due to exit the European Union there is no consensus across the House of Commons and there is an urgent need for leadership [Applause] we have seen the worst parliamentary defeat of any government but the Prime Minister insists on pursuing a Doug deal which cannot command a majority support of MPs in the House of Commons flashing mr corbyn she said regrettably the Labour leadership won't commit to an achievable policy and yet we know that the majority of labour voters supporters and members want to final say on any direct Sofia and yet at a time when labour should be championing a people's vote the leadership avoids answering that call because the Labour leadership in front bench won't back up people's vote there will not be a vote on a cross-party people's vote amendment next week this is not good enough God labor should be clearly setting out a different course not facilitating a jobs destroying brexit MPs are gearing up to vote on a series of crucial amendments on Breck set in a crunch Commons showdown next Tuesday it comes after Theresa Mays original deal was rejected by 432 votes to 202 the biggest defeat ever inflicted on a British PM Lib Dem leader servants Cable has tabled an amendment calling for another referendum meaning their vote on the issue could still be called but dr. Williston's announcement shows that the cross-party remain a push for a second referendum vote to be held next Tuesday has been ditched meanwhile speaking today in Davos Mr Blair stuff to his assertion that a second referendum is still on the card he said I would say it's probably somewhat increased but I mean when I said 50% most people would have said that's ridiculously optimistic mr. Blair said Parliament had two choices of brexit that's pointless staying close to Europe's rules becoming a rural taker or a brexit that's painful if you break out of the European system that we've been trading in for four and a half decades the reason we've got this problem in the British Parliament is that the real options have gone down to members of parliament and therefore there's not really a majority at the moment for any brexit proposition [Applause] there's not yet a majority for a second referendum but I think it's possible there will be he has been an outspoken critic of brexit in the past and speaking to Radio 4's Today program earlier this month he said a No Deal would be a catastrophe for the UK and would cause profound damage to the economy labour has deeply split over brexit and whether to hold another vote with mr. Corbyn resisting demands from his backbenchers to support one the Labour leader a longtime euro skeptic fears that another referendum would lead to voters in the party's northern heartlands to abandon the party mrs. Mei is desperately scrambling to try to win more support for her brexit plan as the clock ticks down to Britain's departure today she held talks with trade union leaders including unites hard left boss Len McCluskey and Unison's Dave Prentiss in no.10 but speaking after the talks in Downing Street this morning mr. Prentice called for brexit to be dl8 on the UK to stay in a customs union with the EU he says an Oda brexit must be avoided at all costs and the Prime Minister needs to rule this out immediately crashing out of Europe will be catastrophic for the economy public services and everyone who works in our schools hospitals town halls and police forces he added the country is desperate for politicians to find a solution to the deadlock paralyzing the country the Prime Minister should be looking to build consensus and putting the interests of the country first not simply trying to please those who won't suffer the consequences of a No Deal a customs union would solve the issues with Northern Ireland protect the Good Friday Agreement and allow the UK to keep close links to its biggest trading partner employment rights must be protected and keep pace with any developments in Europe but with precious little time on the clock an expansion of article 50 is essential to bring the country back from the brink and the calamity of a No Deal
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Remainer MP Anna Soubry has called a crisis meeting with constituents furious at her repeated rebellions, it emerged last night.Miss Soubry, who voted against the Government last week over the EU Withdrawal Bill, is facing the prospect of deselection after her constituency chairman began polling members on whether they were happy with her.She has called a crunch meeting with members at the end of next month to discuss her position on Brexit.The MP for Broxtowe in Nottinghamshire – which voted 52.5per cent to leave the EU – has also written to Tory members pleading for their support.In the letter she admits ‘some members are not happy’ with her position on Brexit.And she claimed opposition within the constituency was from people who wanted to take her place because they were ‘desperate to become Members of Parliament’.They were taking ‘advantage of difficult times and seeking to exploit them for their own ambition’, she said.In the letter, Miss Soubry, who is among the most outspoken pro-Remain MPs, claimed she had been ‘true to my word’ over Brexit, having declared last June she would back staying in the single market and customs union and ‘advance the positive benefits of immigration’.However, she admitted she was in favour of a second referendum, which is supported by all the major pro-Remain lobbying groups.Yesterday the Daily Mail reported that John Doddy, chairman of Broxtowe Conservatives, had written to members to canvas their views.His letter said: ‘There has been much talk of the voting activities of our MP Anna Soubry.I have therefore decided to canvas the opinion of members and will summarise the replies anonymously for the executive committee.’ On Sunday it was reported that rebel Conservative MPs called off their Brexit amendment threat after warnings that they could be kicked out of the party.Chief whip Julian Smith threatened ‘severe consequences’ if the MPs humiliated the Prime Minister, it was claimed.
remainer MP anna salary has called a crisis meeting with constituents furious at her repeated rebellions it emerged last night miss south lee who voted against the government last week over the EU withdrawal bill is facing the prospect of des election after her constituency chairman began pulling members on whether they were happy with her she has called a crunch meeting with members at the end of next month to discuss her position on brexit the MP for Brock Stowe in Nottingham sure which voted 52.5% to leave the EU has also written tutorials please inform in the letter she admits some members are not happy with her position on brexit and she claimed opposition within the constituency was from people who wanted to take her place because they were desperate to become members of parliament they were taking advantage of difficult times and seeking to exploit them for their own ambition she said in the letter Miss Audrey who is among the most outspoken Pro remain enemies claimed she had been true to my word over brexit having declared last June she would back staying in the single market and customs union and advanced the positive benefits of immigration however she admitted she was in favor of a second referendum which is supported by all the major Pro remain lobbying groups yesterday the Daily Mail reported that John dotty chairman of Brock's to conservatives had written to members to canvass their views his letter said there has been much talk of the voting activities of our MP anis Albury I have therefore decided to canvass the opinion of members and will summarize the replies anonymously from the executive committee on Sunday it was reported that rebel conservative MPs called off their brexit amendment threat after warnings that they could be kicked out of the party Chief Whip Julien Smith threatened severe consequences if the MPS humiliated the Prime Minister it was claimed
Prominent Tory Remainer Dominic Grieve has told Sky News there is “clear evidence of an orchestrated campaign” behind moves to oust him as an MP.
The former attorney general was speaking after suffering a vote of no confidence by his local party, opening the way for his deselection as the Tory candidate for the safe seat of Beaconsfield.
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so what happened last night we had an annual general meeting and there was a motion of confidence in me tabled by my officers and they did that because they had received representations from people who wanted to table a motion of no-confidence but that was out of order because it had been doubt because of the way it was tabled and the person who tabled it was in fact not a member of the Association at the time they had done so at the meeting there were a very large number of people turned up about I don't know probably around a hundred of whom I had certainly never had seen or met before in my years as a member of parliament and there is clear evidence that there was an orchestrated campaign by my UK opponent in 2017 who since joined the association with the express intention of trying to come along and defeating the motion and they were successful in doing that it was slightly rowdy meeting although the chair was able to keep it under reasonable control but certainly it wasn't the sort of Conservative Party meeting as I'm used to attending yes so tell us a little bit more about who you believe is behind this you're referring to John Conway yes mr. Conway stood against me in 2017 I understand he subsequently informed the Association that he had left yook it was no longer interested in it and that he wanted to join the Association and he actually said I don't wish to cause any trouble I'm just wished to join as a northern remember those were a broad church he was admitted but the evidence I think is pretty plain that he organized both bringing members into the Association and also organised preliminary meetings prior to this AGM taking place for the express single purpose of coming to defeat the motion of confidence in me 350 people attended the local Conservative Association chairman said that it was a broad Church a wide variety of views a wide variety of opinions robust discussion ultimately it went against you because of your views about brexit it isn't the local party in title to do that I should emphasize that the local Association is fully entitled to express its views that I've always known that Breck's it's very divisive and I'm totally respectful of the views of those who disagree with me as to the way I've approached this particular crisis historically though the Conservative Party being a broad church doesn't seek to expel members of parliament for variations of you otherwise many of my colleagues who currently have good careers in Parliament would never have been able to remain there so this is rather unusual and it has to be seen also against two backgrounds one 1,100 members of the Association in total so many of course weren't there and secondly there are about thirty six thousand people in Bekins field who vote conservative and one of the anxieties I have is I get streams and emails including this morning from people who vote conservative in my constituency who are appalled at the way brexit is unfolding and very troubled about what they're hearing and I fear very much that if the party isn't able to get to grips with this problem and simply becomes a single issue group of school then our ability to win elections in future is going to be very limited but there was seventeen point four million people who voted to leave the EU that was supposed to happen at 11 o'clock last night it hasn't happened and the feeling is that you are behind moves to frustrated brexit is frustrating itself by this idea this conspiracy theory that people are conspiring to prevent it simply flies in the face of reality the reason why the Prime Minister has not been able to get her deal through Parliament is not through bad faith it's because of the fact that the deal when it's examined whether by levers or remainders looks and points to an utterly second-rate relationship for our future with Europe and our future as a country compared to remaining in indeed some of my ERG colleagues have even admitted themselves they prefer to remained and have such a deal now the Prime Minister has been doing her best course she has Specter for it but the truth is there isn't a deal which is going to deliver a form of brexit which is going to be better than what we have at the moment and it's the growing realization of this which is making those who are fixated on achieving brexit more and more vocal and at the same time is the reason why we can't get a consensus in Parliament because MPs doing their best and trying to act on their constituents behalf can see so plainly but what be likely outcomes are not very good ones for our country so what are we to do about it I accept the 2016 referendum is really important and the result that we have to keep in mind but my solution is to go back and ask people what they want because I I'm simply not prepared to drag people out of the EU into a future which they don't want 14% support the Prime Minister's deal at the moment can we find another deal that people would be more comfortable with I'm prepared to do that but what I'm not prepared to do is to sign off the country's future and drag it to the destination that on the face of it people don't want in terms of what's next for you personally at Dominic grieve George Osborne the former Chancellor has tweeted that the Conservative Party head office could intervene and suspend the local party have you had any conversations with CC HQ I would be very concerned if the local party was suspended my officers are right thinking and extremely good people and the Association is run by very good people so I've always had it's a functioning Association I'm sure that we need to pay some attention to the extent to which infiltration has taken place and the extent to which there may be members of the Association who in fact are not there for legitimate reasons that having been said my intention is to carry on as before of course as I said last night at the meeting I note what people have said who criticized me and some people came and criticized me while still supporting me and I'm very grateful for their criticisms and I will continue to keep that in mind as we try to find a way out of this current crisis
‘An absolute disgrace!’ Brexiteer’s speech provokes FURIOUS reaction from Remainer Soubry
A BREXIT supporting Conservative MP clashed with Anna Soubry during a heated debate over Tory MPs not supporting the Government in a Brexit date amendment to the Withdrawal Bill.
At least 15 Conservative MPs have indicated that they will vote with the Labour Party and vote against the Government on its Brexit date amendment.
Bernard Jenkin, the Tory MP for Harwich and North Essex, claimed that anyone who voted to trigger for Article 50 should be voting for the Brexit date amendment to the EU withdrawal bill.
Speaking on Tuesday in the House of Commons, Mr Jenkin clashed with Remainer Anna Soubry, who will reportedly vote against the Government.
He said: “I just reflect on this debate having often taken part in such debates and felt to be rather in the minority when opposing a new European treaty.
“I wonder whether I am still in the minority in this House that this House actually probably has more Remainers than leavers in it and that rather colours the judgement of many people taking part in this debate.”
Ms Soubry appeared to then shout out “for God’s sake” as she asked the Conservative MP to give way so she can make a point.
Mr Jenkin continued his speech, insisting that the will of the British public must be implemented by the Government.
He said: “I just put it forward as a problem. Let me finish the point. I believe as passionately about this as she does in hers.
“I am sympathising, I understand. The truth is, we have to accept the country voted to leave and the one thing we know about what the people voted for, whether they voted for this deal or that deal, or they believed this bit of propaganda or that bit of propaganda.
“The one thing that it said on the ballot paper was they were voting to leave the European Union.
“I cannot understand how anyone can come to this house and say ‘well there might be circumstances where I am just simply not going to respect that decision’. Because that is what it amounts to.”
Mr Jenkin also claimed that any MP who voted to trigger Article 50 but voted against the amendment to set the Brexit date in law, “are open to the charge that they do not want us to leave the European Union”.
Ms Soubry interrupted the Conservative MP again and can be overheard shouting: “You are disgraceful. An absolute disgrace.”
Every member of the group of MPs expected to vote against the Government, except for Kenneth Clarke, voted to trigger Article 50 and begin the two-year exit process.
Speaking in the House of Commons on Tuesday, Remainer Anna Soubry said she was “proud to wear the badge” of being named but branded it “bullying”.
She said: “This is a blatant piece of bullying that goes to the very heart of democracy.
“None of those people who have been named in this way, and I take it as a badge of honour actually, none of those people want to delay of thwart Brexit, we just want a good Brexit that works for everybody in our country.”
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I just reflect on this debate having often taken part in such debates and felt to be rather in the minority when opposing a new European treaty I I wonder whether I'm still in the minority in this house that this house actually probably has more remain errs than leavers in it and that rather colors the judgment of many people taking part in this debate and I just I just I just put it forward as a problem it is a dish out because I believe as passionately and Mike I know it just whatever they finished the point I believe was passionately in my case as she does in the house and I'm sympathizing I understand but I mean the truth is that we have to we have to accept the country voted leave and the one thing we know about what the people voted for whether they voted for this deal or that deal or they believe that bit of propaganda or disbelieve that bit of Pro the one thing it said on the ballot paper is that they were voting to leave the European Union and I I cannot understand how any one and he just did can come to this house and say well there might be circumstances where I'm just simply not going to respect that decision because the
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Amber Rudd ‘in safe seat plot’ to get Remainer Prime Minister
Sources have suggested that a plan for arch Remainer Sir Nicholas Soames’ to give up his Mid Sussex constituency for the work and pensions secretary to have a safe seat has been reignited. The leadership speculation has heightened again amid suggestions that Theresa May could bring back her deal for a meaningful vote as early as next week. It has led Tory MPs to predict that the Prime Minister could quit after the May local elections leaving the path open for a new leader to take on the next stage of the Brexit negotiations over trade and the future security relationship. Currently, Ms Rudd represents Hastings and Rye where she has a wafer thin majority over Labour of 346.In comparison in nearby Mid Sussex, Sir Nicholas, the grandson of Winston Churchill, enjoys a safe majority of almost 20,000.A source said: “Members in Mid Sussex now believe that they are going to be stuck with Amber Rudd and Conservative central office will allow it to happen.”Another said: “The biggest obstacle for…
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NIGEL FARAGE put down a caller who branded him a hypocrite for having a German wife and living in England in a heated debate.
The caller rang up and instantly targeted the #LBC host in a savage verbal attack.
Ben, the caller, claimed the former #UKIP leader was happy to have a German wife and live in Britain, but doesn’t want others to have the same privileges.
Mr Farage was shocked by the personal onslaught. During the show the caller rang up and said: “What I find amazing is that in actual fact, you are a complete hypocrite.
“You’re married to a German lady, a German national who works here.”
Mr Farage, who married his wife Kirsten in 1999, responded by questioning whether the caller had been listening to the show.
He said: “Have I said that I dislike all foreigners is that what you’re trying to say?
“Sorry matey, I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick here.”
Ben said he was angered as his fiancee lives in Madrid and wants to move to Britain to work and felt Mr Farage wasn’t fair with his views.
He said: “All the rhetoric that’s being bounded around #Brexit, saying we don’t want the foreigners in.”
Next Mr Farage exploded over the comments from the caller as he put him down with a furious blast.
He said: “Who said we don’t want the foreigners in? I mean, were you listening to the #Brexit debate?
“You tell me, Ben, when I once, ever, made a comment that was anywhere near what you’ve just alleged.”
Mr Farage then finished by putting down Angela Merkel at the same time by thanking her for welcoming migrants to Germany which he said played a crucial role in Leave winning the #EUReferendum.
He said: “I think Mrs Merkel contributed hugely to us winning the #Brexit #EUReferendum through the absolute madness of saying as many as want to come can come.”
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what I find amazing it's in actual fact you're a complete hypocrite oh go on marry yo you're married to a German German lady yeah a German well I hang on then I'm a missing side so have I said that I dislike all foreigners is that what you're trying to say well more or less or as they say in Spanish metal Millis you matey but I think you might have got the wrong you might have got the wrong end of the stick here no no no let me finish they please let me finish because all the rhetoric that's been bounded around around breaks it and they set another we don't on the corners in now for example my fianc I'm sorry I'm sorry better who said that who said we don't want the foreigners in I mean I mean were you listening to the brexit debate of course I listen to the bridge of debate I think there are a long time and I've heard all the different sides and the problem is that maybe you know it's like stirring a hornet's nest effectively you tell me better you tell me then when I once ever made a comment there was anywhere near what you've just alleged well so do you not think that the poster that was put out with you know the very famous poster don't think they incited some kind of xenophobia I think mrs. Merkel contributed hugely to us winning the brexit referendum really absolute madness of saying as many as come can come we keep it they might point to mrs. Merkel because I'm not talking about mrs. Merkel
Brexit WARNING: Kinnock reveals Remainer MPs plan to ENFORCE soft EU exit
Janice Atkinson of TheRebel.media reports: You’ve heard the unhinged know-nothing comments from the Remain rally. Now it’s time to hear from the Brexiteers who have every right to protest against the UK Parliament’s refusal to leave the European Union on time.
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we're here today to just and for England our culture and what I love in life well we had our rally today we thought we'd be leaving in just a few hours time but the people down in the MPs down in Parliament actually stopped that we might be leaving on the 12th of April you can feel the anger in the air that is palpable the people are angry they had their say nearly three years ago and they know that they've remained government there's a remain opposition and there's to remain Lords at the same time how do we how do we take back control we just at the ballot box we do it at the local elections and we have to take back control because it's we the people that decide we the people put the MPs in Parliament's and we the people will I seat those MPs in Parliament and unseat mrs. may that's the only way forward and to support some a Robinson I'm here to do to know what the outcome are the waiting time is it's been a waiting time for everybody making us very anxious we don't know where we're going we don't know what is going to happen to jobs you don't know what is going to happen to other people and with that scene everybody around making sure that brexit is bread's it this british government is actually disgusting the traitorous they're delicious they're divisive and they're against the British people I'm just here to stand with my partner and I feel exactly the same way I feel that the EU is a complete for trial democracy and just I just think that we don't we shouldn't ever have gotten in the EU in the first place I think Trey's amazed a traitor and I think that the only way we can take this back we're on the we're on the brink of taking it back now but I think the British people have absolutely been stabbed in the back and actually denied democracy we are disgusted over where these Treatise the house of the moon odor they go against a people's votes why are you here today I'm here because Parliament a bunch of traitors at the moment unfortunately I wish that Parliament was flooded with you keep em bees that would be brilliant we need to get by you Kip get behind the mass movements to get MPs elected to put the electoral pressure on the establishments to make sure that we leave because you know if the people if Reta tea is though ryley behinds one true better party and the Tories you know they'll say they're their probe Rexy too late for the election and soon as the lecture is over you know they go back to Bretta portrayal you can see only true true Bexar party we every jim backus he needs to get behind you kid but you keep voting you can MEP MEP 's mp's regional assembly members councillors because that applies elect all pressure and that makes true brexit more like you've got Ireland France and Holland you reckon they're following us afterwards well I hope not but it seems to be going that way I said we there was another country nought to add to that was Denmark I believe who in voted first time to leave but the establishment didn't accept the results and required them with some bomb twisting and yeah maybe some making them again and if the percentages have been exactly the same but reverse and Ramona's have got 52% there would absolutely not be the media BBC who I used to work for by the way they wouldn't be calling for a second there'll be no discussion it wouldn't be across the airway obvious to everyone that they are taking a piss two years and they can't come to a conclusion his poor legs that's one roided-out why keep treasom a who is a valid remainer in to do a job that nigel Faraj should really be doing really because he is mr. Braxton I love told me I don't know Nigel taught me sup big time by saying sorry I shouldn't specially a mess he messed up big time by Colin likes of us people here today folks Skinner's racist Nazis it's bullsh we're here today to just stand for England our culture and what I love in life the rug has been pulled from under our feet we've been let down with Beansie betrayed we've all been betrayed the public and the military I actually am stood here today to to make sure people understand that the veterans for whom I speak on behalf of are also not happy really not happy this isn't what we made sacrifices for and one of the lucky ones I'm back here I can stand here and and shout an argue and demonstrate and what-have-you but I shouldn't I never had to do that that was never in the script that was not our sign not what I signed up for I signed up forgetting democracy and I genuinely feel that's a reason me and the whole bunch of them just be trainers betraying the people and it's me it's made me realize everything I did actually was for the people more than the government the country is the people the country isn't the government let's not ever lose sight of that I don't know we're gonna fix it but we've got to got to fix it and what really concerns me is what ever tour I've done before whatever fight I've been in this is a bigger fight I understand you're a far-right extremist because you're holding a UK flag and draped in our National Union flag would you like to comment on that madam I'm definitely not far-right and I'm not the Orang extremists but I believe in democracy and I voted to leave mainly because of the fishermen who have been robbed of their birthright and that to me is appalling and I've watched the country go downhill I knew it before it joined the EU to vote in that referendum and I did I did and we were lied to we voted to join a common market and at the time I was a Welsh pill farmer and we were told that it was going to be good for us to join a common market so we voted for it we had no idea what it was going to turn into why have you brought us a coffee now long today Oh my friend Rosie that she made it but we've taken it from Bermondsey all the way to the green and basically all the way we was going to bring out your dead because the way is going democracy is dead coffin and Theresa May is out to kill democracy what a fantastic day today that thousands and thousands that turned out for a brexit day we had our party even if we didn't officially leave today we have left we've left – no – we've left in our hearts we are taking back control of our borders and our sovereignty and I really thank the great British people for coming out today it's been a bore this is Johnny Sack inson the rebel dot media no matter what happens we Brent sir I'll still be bringing you reports across Europe and the okay we'll be telling a truth about what's happening out there so please subscribe to rebel dot media to never miss another story hit that little spell and subscribe today thank you very much you
Millennial Remainer BRUTALLY slapped down for defending Nicky Morgan rebellion on Brexit.
A millennial Remainer was given a lesson on “sovereignty” by arch-Brexiteer, journalist and author Isabel Oakeshott.
It came when he defended Conservative MP for Loughborough Nicky Morgan for voting to pass amendment seven on the EU Withdrawal Bill which allows MP’s a “meaningful vote” on the Brexit deal.
The young audience member from Barnsley said: “I really couldn’t agree more with Nicky and Robert.
“I mean, all the way through the Leave campaign they shouted and yelled about sovereignty for the UK Parliament and when Nicky bravely votes for that she suddenly gets attacked – it doesn’t make any sense.
Remainer Alastair Campbell claims Brexiteers should back second referendum for KEY reason
Alastair Campbell bizarrely claimed Brexiteers could actually benefit from a second referendum. The ‘People’s Vote’ adviser argued a second vote provided the “only chance” Brexiteers would have of achieving their “dream” Brexit. LBC radio host Matt Frei asked: “So what should be on the other side? We know your bit of the equation, what does the other side put on? The idea was let’s put May’s deal versus Remain – May’s deal is dead!”Mr Campbell replied: “That is true, her deal is dead. This is something else that Parliament and the Electoral Commission would have to agree, but it has to be a credible form of Brexit.“The problem with the 2016 referendum is that Brexit could mean anything that anybody wanted to.“You then have a campaign that’s put in the hands of liars and charlatans like Boris Johnson, who say it means this and that and the other, Farage ‘there’s going to be no problem, everything will be easy, easiest trade deals in human history’, blah blah.“All that, that has gone. So…
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you Alastair Campbell bizarrely claimed brexit ears could actually benefit from a second referendum the people's vote advisor argued a second vote provided the only chance brexit ears would have of achieving their dream brexit LBC radio host Matt Frey asked so what should be on the other side we know your bit of the equation what does the other side put on the idea was let's put may's deal versus romaine miss deal is dead mr. Campbell replied that is true her deal is dead this is something else that Parliament and the Electoral Commission would have to agree but it has to be a credible form of brexit the problem with the 2016 referendum is that brexit could mean anything that anybody wanted to you then have a campaign Nats put in the hands of liars and charlatans like Boris Johnson who say it means this and that in the other Faraj there's going to be no problem everything will be easy easiest trade deals in human history blah blah all that that has gone so they now I think have a responsibility to agree a form of brexit that they want to put to the people brexit news Alastair Campbell came to a second referendum could be the only chance for brexit ears image LBC this is the only way they are going to get Alastair Campbell do you know what if I was them I would see their little dream slipping away here and this is the only way they are going to get a chance of doing it the comments follow the government reportedly agreeing to a series of votes on seven different brexit options after agreeing to a delay to brexit on Thursday following a cost party but to seize control of brexit to resume was forced to approve of the seven indicative votes which could be held next week two of those brexit alternatives will be the option of revoking article 50 or holding a second referendum meanwhile David Davis warned mrs. May will have no choice but to prepare for No Deal if she puts her brexit plan before the Commons and it is defeated for a third time this week writing in The Sunday Telegraph mr. Davis said as the law stands we will leave the EU on March 29th through two acts of parliament passed by significant majorities the House of Commons backed this state of affairs sir if Parliament rejects the deal on offer the Prime Minister has it in her power to deliver a WTO outcome that is what she should do and if some ministers resign as a result that would be a pity but there are always volunteers to replace every departure mr. Davis said it was vital to stop the scaremongering we must stop the scaremongering the dithering and we endless rhetoric with respect to a No Deal outcome he added we are a great nation perfectly capable of standing on our own two feet we should clear the decks to prepare for a better future deal and to then deliver the brexit the British people deserve and voted for
Brexit BETRAYAL: Remainer Dominic Grieve issues grave warning – ‘Revoke Article 50’
Although not legally-binding, Parliament effectively ruled out a no deal Brexit a day after Theresa May’s deal was once again defeated. In yet another blow to the Prime Minister, several Cabinet ministers defied the Prime Minister in order to completely rule out a no deal Brexit in what was a chaotic night for the Tory leadership. Speaking on BBC’s Newsnight last night, Mr Grieve outlined the only two legitimate options left for Parliament to take. Mr Grieve said: “Either we have to agree the Prime Minister’s deal, which has been rejected very strongly for different reasons but valid reasons.“Or we have to find another deal.“Or we have to find a mechanism for revoking Article 50.”In a last-ditch attempt to try and win Brexiteers over to her deal, Mrs May warned if her deal were not accepted, Brexit could be in jeopardy. READ MORE: ‘Total DISGRACE’ – Nigel Farage gears up to SAVE BrexitDominic Grieve continued in his pursuit of a second referendum (Image: BBC•PA)Mr Grieve put forward to…
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you although not legally binding Parliament effectively ruled out a No Deal brexit today after Teresa Mae's deal was once again defeated in yet another blow to the Prime Minister several cabinet ministers defied the prime minister in order to completely rule out a No Deal brexit in what was a chaotic night for the Tory leadership speaking on BBC's Newsnight last night mr. greevy outlined the only two legitimate options left for Parliament to take mr. grieve said either we have to agree the Prime Minister's deal which has been rejected very strongly for different reasons but valid reasons or we have to find another deal or we have to find a mechanism for revoking article 50 in a last-ditch attempt to try and win brexit ears over to her deal mrs. may warned if her deal were not accepted brexit could be in jeopardy read more total disgrace Nigel Farage gears up to say brexit the minute grieve continued in his pursuit of a second referendum image BBC PA mr. grieve put forward two possible options image Getty the Prime Minister admitted that she could return to thee he yuta get an extension until June but only if mp's vote in favor of her withdrawal agreement with that in mind it seems likely mrs. May will return to Parliament next week where she will hold yet another meaningful vote today MPs will vote on whether to extend article 50 as the March 29th data approaches aside from an extension to article 50 mr. grieve once again insisted his stance would be to have a second referendum read more brexit err shuts down remain acclaiming us will determine UK trade mr grieve was pressed by Emily Maitlis on the chances of a second referendum image BBC however when pressed by a Newsnight family Maitlis on whether mrs. may should grant a second referendum the remain MP insisted the Prime Minister must listen to the Commons he concluded if the House of Commons asks for a second referendum she ought to give it if she doesn't I don't think the government will survive overall I would like the government to play fairly with the House of Commons listen to our concerns
Interview with a Remainer at the People’s Vote March who says she wants more votes because she believes Remain would win now but also says if Brexit won again she would accept it….
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hey guys so here at the people's bolt now I've just found this lovely lady who's got this interesting sign that she made up herself as you can see she's put a lot of effort into it and so can I ask you why you've come to the demo today and why you spot him him I've been a remainder all my life I've got a lot of foreign family my mother's German I've got a Belgian brother in or I've got a Turkish brother-in-law and the whole idea of brexit is appalling to me and I think the vote was terribly close 52:48 and I think there should be another vote because we now know a lot more than we did then there were a lot of lies were spoken and I think it's going to be any good for the country so many people's already thousands and thousands of people's lives have been really seriously affected by this brexit business and it's caused so much damage so much bad feeling do you not think some people who were breasteses though may argue that it's undemocratic to have a second vote to find out people want to leave I would be very happy if there's enough if there's another vote and people vote to leave fine I'll give it a rest and do my best I don't think the vote the vote was so close and if it comes to that it was not a majority of the country it was only about a third of the population who actually voted to leave and you can assume that the people who didn't vote to leave would have it's not how democracy works though yeah okay so let's have another mode that see you know if the brexit is so worried why they worried about another voted brexit is so marvelous and everyone's going to vote for breakfast again that's fine and I'll accept that but it was terribly it was a terribly close vote and also some of the people most affected like British people living in in other countries in Europe and we're not able to vote I think they're upset more with the principle though because what a lot of people want to have a rebo if remain would have one well okay they could have done would you personally though wants a rivo I mean because with you being remain I'm guessing no and they've been another vote well it's partly it's partly a matter of going it's but it's partly because we were in the EU and it's been is proving such an enormous job to get out of it isn't it well I would have been up for that I don't know about it one thing that annoys me is that people say oh is such a such a difficult thing to vote it takes most people 10 minutes or perhaps half an hour of their day to go and vote what's the big deal about voting why I actually agree that those people are lazy people should we want to contribute to our democracy so obviously you are not happy with the outcome of the vote the issue is if there was another vote and it was even closer next time are only a tiny bit of a difference would you have another ball well I said I don't mind having votes if it was so you think if it was 49 51 the other way well you said Europe's not the secure we are happy because the vote was extremely close which it was but we did have another one and it was still quite close would we have a third vote I don't mind having votes no but if there's still a majority for brexit I'd be except prepared to accept that it's partly that we've heard now that there's now a majority four remain already even because of the number of young people who are voting and sorry the number of sixteen year olds no the people who were 16 who can play the number of new 18 year olds who can vote that's not really fair though is it because that's not how the democracy works just if you were too young then it's slightly unfortunate you're maybe have your chance to vote on that time I feel really strongly is it it's really stupid for us to leave now if there's a majority in the country who wants to remain when it's so damaging it was a close vote in the first place that's why did this because look we ought to have another vote just to see what the position is now because we shouldn't be leaving if the majority wants to remain at the time of leaving I mean that's just that's just so ludicrous how do we know that though about having a people find out but isn't that undemocratic undemocratic to have another vote is that not unfair on the brexit ears though well if it's if they if they want to vote for rector that's fine but why perhaps it wins a game but it's a small margin if it's a small margin what for brexit yeah say we have another Bowl and Branson wins a game where it's roughly 48 52 okay well if they if they win again that's what that's all right undergoing all different kinds of people thank you
Over 100,000 people are expected to take to the streets of London and protest over Brexit as part of a People’s March. Ahead of the protest Our Future, Our Choice co-founder Femi Oluwole joins the Independent Republic of Mike Graham with Dawn Neesom. Watch as Femi & Mike clash over Brexit
we've got a great guest here in the studio this morning Fermi olive oil Oh hoots from our future our choice Fermi very good morning to you good morning well the lion's den I think you say you've been brave enough to come in so I'm not gonna be too horrible to you but what on earth do you think you do well I find it quite ironic that you said it's not a march for jobs sort of not much for food not much for peace and that's literally the thing the primary things that are EU membership has managed to secure for the past 40 years right do you remember the balkans war hmm the Balkans war go for go for it you remember when there was a war in Bosnia mmm yeah that was under EU auspices that was when the European Union was busy making sure that we had peace throughout the continent for the rest of time there was a massive war people were killed people killing their neighbors the EU did nothing about it in fact the EU caused it the argument that bad things happen whilst we were members of the EU can be used about anything you could say there's oxygen in the air and there's still famine in the world something that happens not at the same time does not mean it's the cause you just told me the EU has preserved peace in the world I'm just kidding I'm saying the EU was literally a product of the agreements that came together at the end of the Second World War so it made sure that our economies were so intertwined that we would never go to war again the Second World War ended when in in 1945 when did we opt into the European Union and ieaves the 7475 how many wars were there in between and I was in between or how many five is 33 Awards no no so it wasn't we didn't have any Wars we wanna name it yeah we had a peace agreement we didn't need to be near you to make sure we didn't go to war so the war be it so the war argument is done okay move on to the next argument the next argument is quite simply and this is the most important thing people are not getting what they voted for they wanted more control a better NHS and he better off right now they feel betrayed I didn't know they wanted to leave the European Union that's really voted for and that's what we're doing what they had do you think that people wake up every morning thinking about the EU no they think about the food on their plates to think about how well their families only think about whether or not the country's certain the people that vs. to leave your opinion is stupid no I'm saying they wanted we've been touring the country speaking to leave voters asking them what they wanted yes our NHS more control and to be better off yes the British Medical Association saying this is bad for the NHS well they would say that well yes because there the doctors what's the point in us using Doc's if we don't trust their advice on medical issues don't know what's gonna happen and neither do you and neither do I nobody knows they know that leaving the single market means we Luke we really leave the rule system of the EU which means we'll help you let lesser access to the does of the EU rubbish what you think we're gonna turn this some kind of third world nation with no medicine just because we leave I'm saying I'm saying that the European Medicines Agency is the agency through which we get new drugs approved and that and that yes and we don't need to hand that and that agency is Lee is Lee is leaving is leaving the UK planet is by abetting on and there is via the agency that we get fast access to new drugs now if we are any different message have they left the country or not already they're leaving their leave much they are leaving their London premises and they are not coming back right that has not caused any major problems in the medical sister haven't left yes I really have we okay well we're leaving on March the 29th we lose that we lose access to the European au permiten sensation so what so what please tell that to the people who rely on drugs in this country the idea that the people who argue for brexit saying it'd be better for the NHS now they're happy for a very breakfast that will significantly damage the HR any case that is a fundamental betrayal a brexit we believe in democracy i believe in the mock do you believe in the voting power of the people of this country yes do you believe one man one vote yes so why are you moaning about the fact that you lost because one man one vote me is the idea that people should get what they voted for people wonder so now and as and as i mentioned people what about what about when it's like promise students that they would have no pain what about sri the idea that something remain the idea what is that can I finish this is the idea that exploiting the word this is something that happened this the argument that just because something wrong happened elsewhere I mean it's okay for something wrong to happen now you cannot make out that's because people voted in one particular way that they should expect to get what they thought they were voting for you are literally not going against democracy right now not be able to get what they voted for wasting money you're actually a spoiled child it it is because of people like yourself that people are having to march to mock tomorrow to the my phone because you were arguing lip voters should not get what they voted that's not what I said unreasonable it's ridiculous it's ridiculous to expect to get everything you vote for because in every single election in every single country in the world the only place do you know what the only place you get what you voted for is in America because Donald Trump's doing what he said he would do and everybody's going mad yes sir because I can see that while turning up greatly and so here's the thing but given that people are not getting what they voted for it is only logical that we have been right to the side whether or not this deal is good enough for us for our children's future we haven't decided on a deal 16 did we have a brexit deal what in 2016 did we have a break we didn't know and and this is the idea I mean in the Good Friday Agreement they had they had a referendum and in that referendum every single voter received a copy of the text of the Good Friday Agreement before they voted they got to see the deal that they were signing before they signed it because who doesn't the other way around and that is why people are marching tomorrow that's why young people especially question let me ask you this question you probably too young to vote in the 1973 referendum to join the European Union right there was nothing written down about what it would mean there was nothing written down about the treat it was nothing given so everybody just described there was nothing written down about how the Union wait a second wait a second nothing written down about how the EU is going to expand into 27 countries nothing written down about how freedom of movement was going to affect the terrorist threat in Europe nothing written down about how we were gonna sign and perform some kind of EU army nothing it's all about that so in fact we were sold a puppy 1973 it's exactly what you're saying we were done there this you army thing a defense policy in the EU requires unanimity so we could never be forced into an EU army you have to stop with that lie and as and as for the idea lying or throwing out the studio but don't accuse me of lying I'll throw you out the street there isn't nothing being forced into an EU army no I didn't say that I'd never said anything about being forced into an EU army what I said was in 1973 we were told a lot of stuff that never came true we were also told that the EU is going to be an economic Union only it turned out to be much more we were sold down the river the treaty that was like the worst though as they were saying in 1975 included included clearly ever closer Union it was literally in the text just like we have a text right now in terms of what the EU treaties are just like we need a text we're going to make an informed decision about what we want our future relationship with the EU to be and that is what young people we don't have a relationship with them anymore we've had a vote you lost you don't want to have a relationship with our biggest closest and cheapest trade part not with the European you you know what you were willing to sacrifice the prosperity in favor of utter ideology here and give this guy me I just want to ask it's like what do you think you're actually going to achieve because they're not going to take any notice of you so you're all going to turn up tomorrow over a hundred thousand people supposedly and you know what's gonna happen we need to make the point em MPs are quite simply their jobs are on the line but he's very aware of the point that you have made already I mean people I've been sort of like making this point in out the last two years I think most of us ordinary folk is getting bored rigid but the whole thing I think we just want to get on with it and get the best deal we can I agree with my best we can doesn't really work but we have what makes you an expert on the what the best deal is I need you law I'm great fantastic well what are you doing about that and I've been making the point for the past two and a half years like there's no way this can work out you know everything about what you're talking about but everybody else who actually enjoys living in this country and enjoys the fruits of their labor and it's quite happy not to be part of what is essentially quite a corrupt every political union well it's an awful lot more people than you think because they wonder buddy the vote is it won the vote it's almost it's hurts most Tottenham Spurs against West Ham tomorrow you know Spurs win to nil that's the end of the game suppose gets three points then losers go home you should go home you're the losers any sorry no no no let's let's be really clear on this the losers in this are the people who will be suffering as a result of it no no me personally I was born in Darlington so identify very strongly with the Northeast and in the Northeast the 20s yeah they voted strongly for Brett yeah and there are 27,000 jobs in the Northeast that rely on ice on factory ascent 75% of its cars toot too mainland they voted for briggsie because they've been screwed over by the political class for a very very long time you want them to now believe in them again I want to make sure that they don't leave this in the market which destroys that Factory I want to make sure that those twenty seven thousand oh I just I've been to Sunderland and spoken to people who were reassured by their bosses that their jobs were safe and then the Japanese ambassador has recently come out to say the exact opposite now those people in Sunderland deserve a hell of a lot better than brexit well they voted for it so you're telling me that there's two two stupids know what they voted for I'm saying say insults of them and an insult to the working class of this guy I'm not saying he's showing to yourself I'm saying that remainders didn't know what they were voting for either because quite simply if you do not know what the single market is you do not know what whether or not it's a good idea to leave it or not for example I so don't call me sir all of you elitist types you know everything about the law and everything about the EU I'm gonna talk down to everybody who's too stupid to know what happened and you're gonna try and reverse a very democratic decision taken by the majority of people who voted them ice custard for you sir sorry my question for you will be sir what is the single market what difference does it make what is the single market I don't know what the single mark is don't care what is a whole it this is the primary term I don't use it throughout the entire of this of this debate and you don't know what it is that is the benefits the thing of the EU that provides my can tell me what it is then all right okay all of us what the single market is imagine if you wanted to sell to 28 different countries including your own yeah but those 28 different countries had different laws yeah let's imagine that that all happened before 1973 you would have no problem just playing yeah I don't actually want you to give you a bill or eons ago so no were the blood cells has different laws I'd have to manufacture market and package my product in 28 different ways oh you wouldn't that would raise my cost I'd have to pay for the other load and it has to pay for the extra and you have become to have your medication I would have to pay for the extra cost of regulatory checks it would increase my costs now they're making laws together it means anything made in this country is automatically legal across Europe that makes things cheaper be telling me I won't be able to go to Germany and buy myself a Mercedes or an Audi BMW you'll see you'll be able to but it will cost more don't know that that you think Mercedes are going to deliberately cut their nose off to spite their face and make it more expensive for them about them choosing to make it more expensive it's by the fact that having different different laws automatically makes it more expensive no it doesn't it does not make anything else playing with you man do you think I don't know what it means good to say you know what it means after after you said you don't and then I explained it to you and now you know what it's radio very much do you he's the toy here's the final point Bob Geldof actually said last Sunday in an interview with The Sunday Times that if we breaks it we will not have any music left in the world the British people won't be able to produce any music nobody will be able to afford to go to any gigs no bands will play is this bloke seriously losing the plot has he not heard of the Beatles has you not heard of the Rolling Stones on Led Zeppelin all of whom were very successful before the European Union managed to con everybody in this country into joining it honestly I don't really care about got pop Geldof I don't really know I barely know who the guy is you maybe you're gonna be standing hand in hand with him tomorrow so you might want to find out who he is and you want to find out what a disgusting and disgraceful creature what he has been up to the democratic point this is this is this isn't about but this isn't about celebrity this is about ordinary working people or no working people a lot Alastair Campbell a man who 1.7 million people ordinary working people who will be the worst-hit because quite simply why they're not the areas of this country that are already the worst off and then will be hurt the most everybody voted to leave if if the place I advise you to leave if the if the economy is hit it is always those who are already worst up who suffer most to leave the economic hit is not going to make Westminster suddenly start caring about sunlit about Hull it is those areas that will suffer the most why'd you go lately unacceptable you may find out accessible but you may also follow a boat it to Lee are you telling me that you know more than they do that there's too stupid to understand it that's a very saying people you film up with you saintly voted for more control a better NHS and to be better obviously it's ready to leave and right now they don't they just want to do not wake up every morning thinking about the EU they think you don't I bet you do no I don't what do you wake up thinking about this morning actually what breakfast primarily actually family I think you'll find that most people did vote on migration immigration rather than which comes to the control but it's it's like so you know I devoted to leave they've had that okay if we're gonna talk about immigration what would what do people believe about the EU in terms of immigration why do think the EU has made it easier for people to immigrate into Europe and maybe easier for people once they're in Europe so migrates of Britain that's a fact it's as simple as that oh and what do they believe they believe this uncontrolled migration I'm you're asking me what other people believe I'm not arrogant enough to tell you what other people believe I can tell you what I believe you're the guy that thinks you know what everybody else thinks so why don't you tell me well we were told by the bit people that dreamed in that during the checks account of the campaign that the EU forces uncontrolled immigration and there's nothing we can do self unlimited numbers of people from other countries coming here enjoying the same rights and privileges as all the rest of us that's a direct the three countries that allowed uncontrolled immigration to come in from Eastern Europe right we signed up with Ireland and with Sweden we didn't have to do that but we did so partially its Britain's fault however as a result of a in the European Union we have a much bigger micro immigration problem than we would have had if we were not in it it's as simple as that not not really getting it really given that given that we have a more or less roughly similar level of immigration from countries outside of the EU you can't really blame our membership of the EU for increased immigration doesn't matter whether you blame the EU for increased immigration the fact is as a possible as a result of being in the European Union the immigration has increased it's a simple fact you can't argue with that know given that given that where of all the Romanians come from they come they come from Europe but but given that we have chosen not given that we have chosen not to use the restriction and immigration that available under EU we chose not to yes yes but because we're in the EU we've got more immigration and if we were not in it is that not true not necessarily not necessarily if we are allowing the same number of people from outside the EU to come now there is no reason to believe that we wouldn't allow people could be running out of time a lot of people want to get on and talk about this as well the bottom line is the last time you guys had a March it was not terribly well attended what is the rank that terribly well who's in 150,000 that's not many people a million people marched against the war in Iraq and guess what you'll make Alastair Campbell decided to ignore them and go and bomb some innocent people in Iraq anyway after sexing up a dossier so he has blood on his hands he has no moral ground I'm hoping that you won't stand shoulder-to-shoulder with him because he's not the man it represents essentially this isn't about politicians this is no really this is about the people of this country how many people will you be to make it work people who just ten minutes ago you said it doesn't matter if they don't get what they want because that's not what I said you said it's unreasonable for anybody at an election to get what they voted and you're willing to accept that that's the way democracy works make you the idea of democracy is you vote if you don't win these last election you don't fit in the last election you voted we got we want to if you vote personally what actually what that's one of the main problems of the political system in this country I mean my you'd rather have what some kind of dictatorship we're only lefties and we're I ran everything no I'm saying that our first-past-the-post system means the multiples votes don't actually count right so when you have propulsion representation you get people sitting in Parliament even vote for who are given some some rights because they were on a list and because they suck up to the partial recitation is a lot more representing a lot more democratic that then I know what if that was the case you'd have a lot more you Kipp and please in Parliament may break that we have been fine with that just say that this isn't about politicians or politics per se so why are you marching on Parliament because we need to we need to convince the MPs that it is in their interest to give us a deal no you don't get to vote on the deal you literally precedent in this country for getting two votes in a deal the Good Friday Agreement precedent every every single body of the coffee in vote on that every single agreement it's a president in this country did you people of Northern Ireland they did they did that's northern I'm that's a region of this country it's not the United Kingdom but it's still precedent in this country the bottom a deal clinging you're clutching at straws mate you are desperate you're deluded is less time to go it is little time to leave your remaining any literally more democratic to be able to see the deal that you're signing before you sign it that is what we're asking for that is the people's vote no you're not gonna get it their eyes will pack up and go home now they're they're given that bother turning over nobody's happy with the deal we're getting it is only logical that plan you're happy with the deal you have less control yeah no this is more control actually the deal that trees may is offering leaves us copy was not gonna offer his any deal she doesn't have a deal we should leave now without a deal one that's not what's happening the deal that we're being offered you know what the deal is do what she wants us to do there is no D he wants us to be in a common rule book with the EU that means that we now are not even before Minister knows you know that that means we follow the rules of the EU we've given up our dominant position in setting those rules right now that is less control people ask for more that is why we are marching on Saturday to the man creature for this country it's all because young people will be disproportionately affected by this verb and that's why we are going to be leaving the March for Yves but we are bringing down a thousand a thousand young people to literally lead from the front it's costly to demand the MP show that you don't know 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hello internet it's jazzer here I am just popping out very quickly it's Christmas Eve Eve I have some last-minute shopping to do two more gifts and I'm gonna brave the capitalist Mecca that is Westfield Shopping Center so pray for me oh hello welcome to my humble abode where there were no Christmas decorations but I do have a live stream of a fire from YouTube streaming on my TV so somewhat festive the two persons I got were one for my auntie and uncle who I have just bought alcohol for because when in doubt by the buggers booze and the second and final present I got was for my granddad and I think I am going to be experiencing something over the the holidays of the Christmas break that a lot of you may also be maybe not dreading um but wary of you will probably be aware that the UK is less than harmonized about the exit we have less than a hundred days to go until we leave the European Union and people seem very unhappy with the mess that is being made of it by a lot of the politicians a lot of people just want to stay and there are calls for like a people's dough and all of that kind of stuff has just repeated that voting down her deal risks no brexit at all that she recognized that far from being a risk recent polls show that actually a vast majority of people would like no wrecks it at all in order to save jobs protect the environment ensure our standing in the world so she will she acknowledged that the will of the people can change the will of the people has changed and will she therefore think that the way forward is a people vote or does she think democracy ended on the 23rd of June 2016 the thing about brexit in 2016 was that it split quite strongly across generational lines those who were older were more likely to vote to leave the European Union those of us who were more likely to to remain this perhaps build up a little bit of resentment between the generations and I know an awful lot of people who are now struggling to continue to have healthy relationships with older members of their family for their parents or their grandparents and I am not divorced from this phenomenon in fact the day after the vote in 2016 I did a live stream where I was pretty scathing to be completely honest of the older generation who kind of voted to change the young people's future without their consent it's really hard for me not to feel resentment but older people in certain part of the UK have basically just throwing the rest of us under the bus I was talking to my grandad the other day he's voted leave it was really hard for me not to feel like a certain kind of resentment towards him because of the fact that like he used the phrase I want my country back like from what from whom from where from when I was very specifically talking about my grandad in that video my grandad is an old school Essex boy he bombed out in the Blitz working-class warrior made Goods started his own business sent me and my brother through posh school by selling his by selling the family business hates the EU is a consumer of like it definitely more likely in media has always voted conservative or UK needless to say we disagree quite strongly about the European Union to the extent that since the vote they didn't like nearly two years well no over two years ago now we haven't been allowed to talk about politics at their dinner table and that was pretty much the only thing that we had in common was a was a an interest in politics despite the fact that we often almost always came to different conclusions about the topics that we talked about that man is the reason I am where I am today in terms of like my education and that kind of stuff and he's also the person that initially got me interested in politics I owe that man everything and I missed him an awful lot actually I missed being able to connect with him on that level and so a couple of months ago I decided to try and rebuild the bridge between us and I feel like a lot of you are probably going to be going back to families over the festive period maybe ones that you haven't spoken to properly or once who you are avoiding talking to especially in the wake of kind of like political differences it's all very well to say to go back home and talk to your family members um but if we continue to not talk to one another then we will continue to be a grossly divided nation that is never going to come together again and I don't want that and so I filmed it so that it will be easier for you hopefully so here is that conversation hi granddad hi dad oh yeah I'm fine and you good I say I told you on the phone like do you remember like a round this dinner table when it was like Sunday dinner yeah um and especially when I was younger when I was like a teenager and like perhaps even into my early maybe mid 20s we used to get into like debates that were occasionally passionate oh what's your like memory of those discussions that we used to have nothing really I mean no what did we used to talk about kind of cool it's mainly about Europe I think yeah I think so and like immigration and where it's all part you oh yeah what were you thinking when you were having these sometimes arguments with your grandson me what I wanted to say we was having an argument we used this some good discussion yeah maybe it got a bit heat at a time an argument you could fall out and come to blows but no yeah good cuz I agree and I think but I think that sometimes if somebody was like looking in on us around the dinner table some people would see it as like a an argument I'm glad that you also think that it was like a debate where we I mean I think we were I think I'm a really opinionated person partially because you're a brilliant pinyon native person and I think I get that from you and I think both of us are quiet like we know what we think and occasionally that would come across by like the chats that we eat you know like have is that what do you think that that's the case as well yeah that's right how did you feel when the UK voted to leave the European Union always delighted yeah can you describe the did you find it in the morning yeah I did I heard it run about 6 o'clock uh-huh oh yeah yeah we've got the radio on yeah but there you go that's when I heard it up until then I never thought we were gonna win the miners were gonna win what was what was that feeling when you found out at like 6:00 a.m. did you like punch the air oh yeah yeah do you did you because you knew knew how like I was right in well I guess what if it gave you that um what d so I found out a little bit earlier than you because I stayed up hmm have you ever thought about the way I felt when how do you think I reacted I've done no I don't think I was around when you got the news so no that would I have a guess what do you think down in the dumps I suppose yeah so I was like gonna why but you did dad's telling you that politics was banned at the dinner table yes yeah when did he tell me I think it was the last time we discussed it I would not know might it have gotten a little bit too heated I think he was upset you MOA yeah yeah I feel sorry for her I understand that um how did you feel when it was suggested that we stops talking about politics fine fine I mean your house or your father's house yeah yeah that's far enough yeah I buy by the rules I have missed a lot and I miss being able to have those debates with you I loved it and enjoyed it so much even though it was like heated and I feel like we've I've lost something between us because some because sometimes you know we're at the we're like chatting and then somebody might say something about like to either may trigger something yeah yeah and I'm like and and somebody has to go no no we're not allowed to talk about that and I'm like and we were not we weren't gonna agree we may have agreed that people were doing a bad job but we weren't gonna agree it like anger but I I really miss us having those conversations I agree with I do if they're always of the house that we abide by the rules yeah do you think do you think that we are able to have like healthy discussions about like politics and stuff why not yeah you don't actually for without you know you're my grandson dock your grandfather so what why should we fall out mmm I I think I think because we haven't been allowed to talk about it and I think because there's I think I'm sure you feel this – I feel like the country is very securely on like one side or the other most people who voted remain don't know anybody who don't know anybody or don't talk to anyone who voted to leave and vice versa right yeah I know loads of families and loads of friends my age who don't talk to older relatives anymore because they feel like they feel betrayed essentially and there's these really strong emotions like behind it all and I think for a period of time I kind of got pulled along by that of like I think we're encouraged to do it by a lot of the way that the media talks about it you know I mean like we're encouraged to think of the Mainers are encouraged to think about people who vote for X it is like evil racist bla bla bla bla bla all of these like horrible words that are not gonna be true and then brexit is only to think about the Mainers as like people who don't believe in Britain people who aren't patriotic people who are perhaps idealistic and not realistic those kind of things and like saboteurs and all of that stuff and I think I I I know you probably don't know that I was thinking this but I think for a while I was like thinking this about you but I but then I try and remember that I don't I know you I don't really particularly care what the Guardian says about people who voted the same way as here and I think that that's really i forgot that for a while and i'm sorry oh thanks I might add over yeah as I said you're still my grandson yeah I didn't actually realize that that was I was gonna say to you odd yeah I don't read The Guardian what the BBC read the guy knew I was never going to get like a hug or kind of like a declaration of unconditional love from that man he is a man who grew up during the war and is very unable to engage with any emotions beyond getting very excited about cricket but to have that handshake from him really meant a lot because though he may not agree with my views I feel like I have his respect um and that's all I really want and I think it was important actually that I ended up apologizing to him discipline the fact he had no idea I was projecting all of that stuff onto him so that I remembered that although Twitter especially and I mean media outlets that should know better get very heated at the end of the day the people that voted to leave the European Union and want to leave the European Union are often people that we love dearly and as long as we continue to call remain as saboteurs and undemocratic and as long as we continue to see people who voted to leave is racist or stupid then that may be very good for newspaper sales and for website clicks but that's not going to be very good for healing this very divided country that we have so I would encourage you I hope that me seeing me talk to my granddad has perhaps made those conversations with your relatives easier and I hope that you can persist in seeing their humanity and those family members that you do care about so dearly this is gonna be my last video for the new year if you want to have some more political brexit content I have a podcast called the righteous honorable podcast that I think is very very good my friend and I Jimmy I voted to made his that was a very clear and my friend Jimmy voted to leave in 2016 and I'm pretty sure we are the only podcast that has two people on either side of that debate that persisting quite liking one another our most recent episode was quite heated we basically ended up starting calling each other very undemocratic but he again is somebody who is I like him very much say check that out if you're into that subscribe to me because I'm great and I will see you guys in the new year hopefully right thanks for watching thank you for this year it's been pretty good Tilly you
This Brexiteer decided it would be interesting to walk through the “500, 000” (yeah, right!) strong People’s Vote March. We followed him for a while after this and he was called a “c*nt” and “w*nker” amongst other pleasantries.
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thank you so that's quite a few people telling me you're very brave I've only had like a couple of people said ok so here are the people's vote March and I have run into Alex Nora who is in Ireland Felipe's bolsa I see that's by a lot of people they're not fans of film some of it she's not good so Alex and mums the dirty looks and everything why we decided to do this is this that's suicide no actually I feel quite I don't know I feel fine actually I most people to turn around and said oh you're quite brave I had one person mouth off some abusive language but it's been generally fine actually did they say oh just called me an asshole basically but you know it's it's actually it's been good I've had a few conversations with people I've you know and they've said and people have been really surprised they said this is ironic are you doing this ironically I said no I voted leave I got no regrets I'm confident of my decision and I'm obviously I want to see what your reaction is that's why I'm doing no no violence what's the most unpleasant somebody's beam they basically call me an asshole and said you've ruined this country you're an idiot you don't know what you're doing same as usual nothing that I can't handle and nothing that hasn't been level at me before same as what I've found which has been a lot of people here it seems to be very answer democratic they've outwardly said we want to overturn the volt at all costs well they talked about people smoke which begs the question well what do we have two years ago was it a cat and we voted leave exactly and it was the second vote because we have won back in 1974 you can't have a different you can't have a referendum on the same subject every two years his undermines the whole process great one lady said to me she said well we can have another vote and it brexit wins that's fine I said the wife is a small margin again like you said what's your reason for wanting a second one she said well I'm all for more bones said we'll essentially on sale yeah it doesn't make sense that's it I mean it just doesn't make sense at all have you seen any counter demos with my dad today no there hasn't edge Depot there was a a small counter demo not far from here well it wasn't the counter Deborah where she was a soldier X thing so people protesting against the young soldier recruit who was it was dismissed because he had a photo taken of Tony Robinson so there's a small protest about that going on sort of being here a lot smaller than this obviously but it was still I mean keeping quite a few people there so there's the thing that I print mentioned before I've said to a few people brexit warning might have been a small margin but we want you've been to a few brexit matches this year as have I we have never had a turnout like this way as that I think it's because well many different reasons firstly a lot of the people who voted leave a conservative and conservatives are generally reserved by nature they don't tend to they will make their voices heard and me in on the ballot paper but they won't go out and March because they're you know conservatives my name conservative by nature they are reserved they don't really go out and march on the streets also the believe demography is it's older as well so all the people are less likely to go out and marsh in the streams you know it's it's interesting isn't it there have been a lot of [Applause] there's obviously a lot of anger and a lot of people feel extremely passionately and they obviously makes identified the country but I think you know you have to remember even though they seem to be a lot of people here even that there are 100,000 people we have to remember seventeen point four million people voted to me you know unless they can get a protest of 17 million people absolutely intense I'm destroying brexit and checkers is just pathetic so do you not think they could use this I think yeah I agree with you the government unfortunately well certainly Theresa May and Philip Hammond and quite a few ministers in charge are intense and subverting the road and making check is this meaningless it's not a meaningful it's not delivering on the load that people voted for but you have to remember as well they leave means leave the leave means leave daddy's taking place over and across the country they're trapped in huge crowds as well so you can't just see what's happening here in isolation you have to see this bigger picture they were still obviously I think the message stick whether there still is strong feeling on on both sides but you know anyway I'm here to make my voice said even though it's one in a the fact that I stand out just by wearing this t-shirt in a sea of you know blue flags with the yellow stars means that I stand out with the red t-shirt so even though this is one of me I can make my voice heard just by doing that well I think you're incredibly brave good luck thank you very much very brave see you later
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looking back to the times in scotland when you are a kid can you identify a person or a time which was most influential in what you finally later became yes with no difficulty at all I was not a very good student because I just wasn't interested in and what was being taught I didn't know what I wanted to do and my mother was persuaded first of all to put a paintbrush in some oil paints in front of me and see if that was it and no it wasn't she was further my father was away in the Army during the 8th army during the war she was further persuaded to buy a piano and send me to piano lessons but which I am eternally grateful because music my bigger Parts I had the microphone I apologize to your listeners and I mustn't get so excited I'm eternally grateful for that because music plays an enormous part in my life and but I was quite obviously you're not going to be concert pianist pianist standard and it was Armistice Day and coming down the alphabet after a certain number of letters R came up and that was me Richardson so it was my turn to stand there at the Armistice service and say they shall grow not old as we that are left grow old now normally the the kids would go to the lectern and read it from a piece of paper instinctively and this is going to sound very egotistical and I apologize to you all but it's the truth I instinctively thought it wouldn't be better if I memorized it and didn't go and hide myself behind that enormous great bird of a lectern but stood in the center with my back to the altar I did this and when I came to the end of it and in the morning we will remember them there was a silence of such miserable chemistry in the church that for the first time aged 13 I felt in me a surge power how you can control the emotions of an audience by simply believing in what you're saying and doing and a school teacher wrote to my mother instantly and said we've been mistaken about your son all these years he's a born act and that was how it started so what happened well my father would have disapproved but he wasn't that he was in the Channel Island sorting out the end of the war mess left by the Nazis so my mother introduced me to a rather well thought of amateur dramatics society but of course I was only a boy and so consequently all I did most of the time was work backstage and with the props and sweeping the stage of your life so in looking after everybody in taking them cups of coffee and things like that eventually I did get my chance and it was perfectly obvious that this because I was so happy and my schoolwork improved it was extraordinary as soon as I'd found the metaphorical key to the equally equally metaphorical door and went through it and realized that when I was with theater and theater folk I was an entirely different person yes and so my school working changed it's what it's all about if you find the gift isn't it I mean that's right if you believe that every one of us has been has a gift the greatest mystery is how to find the gift in the child absolutely or to how the child taught how to allow the child to find that gift themselves that's even better isn't it
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best argument they've got is we will survive brexit it's worth the pain self-harm on a national level I may not be as we will survive we've given them 24 bloody good reasons to remain in the European Union and they've got one to leave and that's apparently democracy absolute madness not to mention that most people a lot of people now
Theresa May is fighting for her political life today after Dominic Raab and Esther McVey dramatically quit accusing her of bowing to EU ‘blackmail’ over the Brexit deal. The Prime Minister is braced for a Tory no-confidence vote to be triggered within hours after she vowed to push on with her controversial plan despite the departures of the Brexit Secretary and Work and Pensions Secretary throwing her into chaos. At a meeting of the powerful Conservative ERG block this afternoon also attended by Boris Johnson, Mr Rees-Mogg confirmed that he had put in his letter, saying Mrs May had ‘failed to meet her promises’. MailOnline has learned government whips are now canvassing MPs on which way they will vote – suggesting the trigger threshold of 48 letters has been reached. Downing Street insisted she will fight if a challenge is held.
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I think one of the problems was having a remainer and that I recognize that compromises will need to be made but the difficulty with having a remainer is that people feel the compromises are made in a remain direction rather than in a leave direction oh it's too late you can't write a letter of no-confidence you can't come to a decision that you have no confidence over many many months and then wake up the next morning and say it was a Dallas style dream and I never really did it so no no my final decision after the prime minister's statement this morning but I'd come pretty much to the conclusion that this was likely once I'd had the chance to read the papers last night can you go to Ross and then Rob please well the first thing to do is to go back to Brussels and say look the option now is that we leave under the laws that we have already passed without any deal at all and that therefore we will move straight to World Trade Organization terms we will be a third country and we will operate on that basis the basis with which we operate with the rest of the world
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president by the end of the week has love bombed Britain confirming what a big fan of brexit he is to Donald Trump's intervention comes as more details emerge of the stance the UK will adopt in negotiations with the EU tomorrow Theresa May makes her big speech on leaving the EU where she is expected to push for a so-called hard brexit prioritizing immigration controls and taking us out of the customs union and the single market meanwhile Chancellor Philip Hammond in an interview with German newspaper Vell comes on tag warned that if the EU limits UK market access after breakfast Britain could look at an alternative economic model seen as a warning to the EU that UK could further reduce corporation tax in an interview in the time with former Conservative cabinet Minister Michael Gove Donald Trump who will become president on Friday so that a trade deal with the UK would come very quickly and be done properly he said it would be good for both sides mr. Trump said he would be needing to resume right after I get into the White House the president-elect said he had great respect for Angela Merkel but said that she made one very catastrophic mistake by opening Germany's doors to what he called all of these illegals from wherever they come from the European Union mr. Trump said is a vehicle for Germany which is why Britain was right to get out he predicted other countries would soon follow Britain's lead I thought the UK so smart in getting out and you were there you guys wrote it put in the front page Trump said that brexit it's going to happen yes right and it happened yeah that was where we're going to lose easily you know everyone thought I was crazy Obama said they'll go to the back of the line meaning if it does happen and then the other read records are there scented flowers promises you I think you're doing great don't make Rob are Donald Trump's comments on getting a quick trade deal between the UK and the u.s. in your mind of vindication of the brexit referendum well I certainly think they're one illustration of where the EU had tried and failed to get a free trade deal there are others from Latin America to China India and actually it shows that Britain outside of it you is well-placed to do those deals huge benefits the jobs cutting prices in this country and I think it confirms as well in advance of treasom a speech what is already really written into the political and the business markets that their advantages coming outside the customs union I think it's pretty clear we will right I mean can you actually trust though Donald Trump to deliver a trade deal between the UK and the US well the truth is is with all trade deals in the u.s. I have to go through Congress but what you've got is the new president taking this opportunity some that's regardless rather protectionist to say actually there's a win-win and his language is very interesting with Britain and he's going to put his shoulder behind it that must be better than under Obama for all that I admire him he said that we're the best back of the queue I mean the rhetorics better isn't it well the rhetorics nonsense and watching that photo of Michael Gove with his thumbs up I was struck by the three words la-la-land no trade deal is quick no trade deal is seen as completely fair on both sides and a trade deal can only take place after 2019 which is the earliest possible date we can leave the EU Michael Gove says he wants to traditional a transitional vote with the European Union so I don't think it will actually be with President Trump and let's not forget with Trump he won this election saying that he was against open trade against the trade deal with the Pacific the TPP against TTIP this is a protectionist president so any idea that he's going to open up to our market and you know he's the big player in this we stand to lose our environmental protections our food stand our food assurances and it'll be a Trojan horse for Trump he's got a track record of contradicting himself that is true on many many issues and we can go through those later on in the program so it's difficult to know how much he weight he will actually put behind a trade deal but what is true where Mary Kray is right is that it can't happen until the UK has left the EU so it can't be that quick and the EU Commission has just reiterated apparently exactly that timetable but no free-trade deal can be confirmed and signed and sealed until the UK has left the Union well look I can understand why all those who are on the remain side feel rather disappointed that Obama's threat isn't coming true but it must be self-evident Lee a good thing that America with that massive market is saying to Britain hey we're up for this yes but you accept that it couldn't be before 2019 well no I don't think we could sign it a little don't know so you need the work but if they would be talking about 10 15 20 years to do these deals what's clear is it's a priority for him he'll provide the political leadership and I'm not quite sure why some on the other side of this you're so disappointed by where do you think of Trump something that must be good news for British firms jobs and also consumer pricing the shop happy be so confident that it will necessarily be good news for British jobs and businesses it may well be and certainly they will want to hear more about the sort of deals that can be done but if you look at TTIP for example which predates him to some extent that was and there was a lot of concern about opening up our health service it may have been wrong people believe though that there could have been public services opened up to American privately owned companies could that happen with a joint deal here well first of all I do think it was rather flawed and even though I've been critical of the EU I think that the way that it was characterized was wrong but nonetheless what was particularly subject to criticism was Detroit early dispute settlement mechanism now obviously again the additional advantage of being outside the EU is we have our own dispute settlement provision probably arbitration based which would kill any of this ridiculous scare mongering about the NHS right let's look so generally at the UK economy because even Mark Carney the governor of the Bank of England who was pretty skeptical about what would happen to the economy post brexit is now saying that actually it's growing faster than Keith and now we have Donald Trump rightly or wrongly saying that he can get a quick trade deal in his mind brexit don't seem to be working Rex it hasn't happened yet have it and I think that's that's a referendum the referendum you know Mark Carney took very strong action in the weeks following the referendum in order to shore up the British economy what we saw in the autumn statement from Philip Hammond was a 59 billion pounds black hole will see on March the 8th how big that hole has grown but what I cannot be ever delete is there to say immediately in the aftermath of that referendum the economy has tanked well but the 59 billion pound reduction in our tax intake is the evidence that the economy has not done as well as it could have done and that's downgrading of the economy the the fact that the pound is now plating everyone see the what the is growing economy in the g7 and that was the big shock that actually in the aftermath of June the 23rd growth went up not down that's just the fact Mark Carney took action to do massive quantitative easing in order to say save up a shock to the UK economy and we're going to do has resulted yes I think the fact that the election that'll be the action at the Bank of England governor talk staved off or has postponed that shot but what we are seeing for you a liqu speculative I don't be a big sure I want the article 50 lid and the pound is now trading at one dollar well let me come all out the value so going to that no that is a fact as you know the markets have reacted they've reacted to some extent to what treasom a is going to say and what Philip Hammond the Chancellor did say about taking action if you can't get the sort of deal he wants with the EU are you worried about that because although people might have said the pan was overvalued if it continues to slide and if it stays at a very low level for a sustained period of time that will hurt the economy well look 15 to 20 percent devaluation I think is pretty healthy and Mervyn King who kept his powder dried your in the referendum campaign said in relation to the evaluation actually Britain's economy the whole model is better place to shift from a consumer spending model of growth well early learning tutorial I'll come I'll come to justice in a much better place posted a friend to move to a manufacturing exports assure of growth they may wrong Aries right but actually devaluation of sterling within certain parameters a good fit right you accept that for exports it is better and Donald Trump made that point no because our exports are you are made using imported dollar traded Euro traded imports most of the things that we make in this country are made with components that come from outside the country so if you talk to manufacturers in Wakefield they're concerned that their prices are going up and actually they aren't able to put their export prices up as much as they would have hope and we're also seeing the construction industry is now entering recession so the housing crisis that I do going up it's a shame we have news Asia today the global talent competitiveness rankings across the world have Britain Post brexit moving up from seventh to third we need to be an outward open looking competitive hungry thirsty country that is driving growth driving jobs are looking out to the world it was important but the point about brexit the biggest point that Boris Johnson Michael go the people like me mate is actually the the real opportunities for the future both the businesses but also to consumers will be the growth markets and that America to Asia do you level to India and Sibel Jam than we do to the whole of the BRIC countries put together so the idea that somehow we're going to leave this market you know where we sell more to Ireland with the ballots we are leaving it and we could wake up very may not be able to make even a single mark Aeneas two different think that's like we are almost and most are aspiring almost certainly going to leave the form being formal member the customs union there is no no that is because of the remain campaigners in the during the referendum but the opportunities we want annotating it retain strong trade it's even acknowledged by more I'm shell Barney a on the European side net but it's not it's not being acknowledged by those who actually feel a bit disappointed at those pessimistic outcomes right Mary haven't come to fruition all right well but Mary still thinks they're going to come down the line and obviously we'll get her back on to scrutinize whether these things do actually unfold do you agree with dollar transfer you that more countries will leave the EU I certainly hope not and one of the worrying that you think they might on the no I don't think they will because I think there is a mood of I was in Brussels in November and a determination from other European leaders that the Europe the EU will not fall apart as a result of our vote and I think some of the other statements that have been less scrutiny by Trump in the interview but stuff around dropping sanctions on Russia you know these are and talking about NATO being obsolete these are things that will materially affect Britain security and Europe security in the months and years to come I'll on that what do you think to reason they will say in her speech tomorrow what would you like to hear her say in terms of details about the government's negotiating position well look I think we've been she's been very clear since October the things we're not going to do which is being faithful to the referendum verdict we're not going to be subject to the free movement rules we're going to get control of immigration we're not going to be subject to the ECJ jurisdiction we want to be a global leader in free trade I think what we do now need to do and I say this is a break stir it turn the page and start talking with both self-confidence given the economy has held up and proved far more resilient and people expect but also in a certain generosity of spirit looking for the win-win we're still going to believe in the EU I think it's a flawed political club but we still we're not leaving Europe we still want to have strong trade strong security cooperation and I think particularly given Michele Barney owes most recent comments we're going into that like victories in May will spell out and so he should the positive optimistic case are Britain's post brexit relationship with Europe and the unity between the two sides do you think that is somebody's I agree with Mary on I don't agree with Donald Trump's comments about Russia but actually that's a good illustration of something when the EU is pretty much irrelevant and outside of the EU we can still demonstrate we're going to be a strong ally to our NATO friends just finally before we move on the Chancellor said and implied that if you couldn't get a deal with the EU in terms of a trade deal that Britain would take other action did you see that as a warning or a threat well what I saw was Philip Hammond warning that the UK's economic model may need to change fairly dramatically outside the European single market and I don't want to see us moving to a low welfare low regulation type of offshoot to be light a bit of America I think that's the wrong future for our country and I think that is not what people voted for during the referenda there You've differently at the bowl to put country before party
Liberal Democrat leader Sir Vince Cable joins Julia Hartley-Brewer on the No Nonsense Breakfast to discuss the Lib Dem party conference, the struggles of being a third party, and why a second referendum is in the best interests of Britain.
you're a Liberty I'm confident this week in Brighton you've got a lot of big debates going on one of them is about wealth taxes and they talk of the creation of a 100 billion pounds citizen's phone to spread the uk's wealth more evenly where's that money going to come from well we've suggested that we start our starting point is that you know wealth in this country is distributed very unevenly and it would be reasonably sensible to do things like for example tax and capital gains on the same basis as income equalizing that the tax relief on pensions we're currently very different rates which bring high and low earners and replacing the inheritance tax system which is another broken system of taxation with one based on lifetime gifts and we estimate that if you do that sensibly you raise a substantial sum maybe fifteen billion a year and in addition you know when for example the World Bank of Scotland is ready to sell that the receipts of that shouldn't be simply squandered on current spending but should go into the sovereign wealth on and and what are you going to spend this sovereign wealth fund on well it would be and the whole purpose is that you know there is a temptation with the government revenue just to spend it immediately the sovereign wealth fund they've got very good thumbs in Singapore and Norway is that they used to the government and but it's effectively a way of saving for the nation as a country we don't save enough it makes a call for saving and then it is allocated on a professional basis by people in dependence of politicians in long term investments you talk about seven well-funded mentioned Norway of course I mean they actually owned something like three percent of the wealth of the world through their their sovereign wealth fund purchased entirely from their funds of North Sea oil well our money was from North Sea all was was spent on well you could say wasted use is spent I mean whichever what you know whichever perspective what if one was a recipient what property was quite pleased about it but we we saw a massive boost in some suspend on public services without taxes going up and that's what the money when the Norwegians have got this fund in perpetuity they're only allowed to spend a certain percentage of it every year so it can't be as you say squandered but but that money that money was got from money that hadn't already existed because the North Sea oil money do you not think that a lot of people will be brought across about extra taxes that's going on something's the future rather than being spent on public services now when we talk about austerity all the time do we not need to spend money on social care rather than worrying about things in the future well and that I think we have to be honest with people that you know we're all gonna have to make a contribution to that I mean what one of our commitments that we've made is that we should have a penny in the pound on income tax in order to fund health or social care it's about 6 billion a year take some of the pressure up I just got a long-term solution we probably need a what's called in the jargon a hypothecated tax which protects the health service and Social Care from you know spending battles every year but in the short run I think we just have been a fee on this rule going to pay a bit more tax to make sure the health and social care system is properly funded the troubles of being a third party like the Liberal Democrats is trying to get you know not be squeezed by the other big parties labor in the Tories if we did see a breakthrough from the Liberal Democrats of course you made it into government you caused to form a business secretary but then punished very much by the electorate for doing that hearing to coalition and now many points down you've talked about the route through for the original cats where the future lies and you seem to think the future lies in for for instance a non-politician leader of the Liberal Democrats you want to pave the way for the next leader after you plan to step down in the next few years to to try and bring the Liberal Democrat support why do you think that a non-politician Anan MP should lead a political party why do you think that politicians seem to have failed so much or indeed that the quality of the MPs in your party is so poor that it should be a non MP no we have some very good people and if I come onto the bus tomorrow I'm pretty sure that one of my colleagues is perfectly qualified to do it what I'm wanting to do is not rule the option of looking at people outside and there's some very talented people in professions where they're not allowed to disclose their political allegiances but they may have good leadership skills and they may well be aligned with our values and we should at least look at them and are you not worried about the idea beYOU suggested that you should open up some of the party rules in terms of an i or you call liberal minded people signing up to the Lib Dems for free and getting the right to vote for the leadership I mean we saw what happened in the Labor Party when you had a you know a couple of quid to join the Labour Party well I had to have a chance to vote in that election are you not weary of what might happen to Liberal Democrats yeah I am wary and we've seen the Labour Party what happened actually their system of opening up had both good and bad aspects and then the bad aspects is the way they card left the extreme left have taken over the party the good aspects was that at the last election they did a lot better than they deserve to because they were you know lots of young people who got engaged who don't traditionally get involved in politics so the expression I've used is that when you open the windows you let in a few plies and we've got to have some system for dealing with the Flies but it's not an argument for keeping the windows permanently shut one of the reasons why a lot of young people voted labour was their own interest because it promises to in tuition fees and even at one point mentioned during the election campaign by Jeremy Corbyn to end right off all the debt that students have I mean hey if I were a student I'd vote for that but of course tuition fees the tuition fee debt was a major issue for the Liberal Democrats one the reasons a lot of people vote a few a lot of one of the reasons a lot of people stopped voting for you after the coalition and that's an issue of trust there's a lot of issues when trust in the news today issues of trust on immigration and Trust also on the issue of brexit now we have Sadiq Khan the London mayor mayor at London Mayor of calls saying yesterday that he endorsed the idea of a second referendum and as we've been playing out this morning only a few years ago ahead of the referendum he was saying look this is it you don't get another chance it's a one-off you know you know end of once-in-a-lifetime vote Nick Clegg then Deputy Prime Minister previously for you but there a former leader saying again exactly the same thing before the they referendum that this was a one-off vote it wouldn't be another one do you not think is there's a big risk with British voters that they're not going to trust anything politicians say if they do try to keep re running votes that they don't win well I think you make see a lot of issues and we're starting with the students let me just answer it there was a pledge made eight years ago that shouldn't have been made and we suffered for doing so of course the other party whose labor had laid pledges on the same subjects in Brooklyn too and we shouldn't go down that road and I think even jeremy corbyn's regretting the largesse that would be thrown that highly-paid graduates but let's let's move on from that on specifically on the referendum no we do want to give the people vote on the final deal if if they stick with their original judgment well they will win down the brexit ears will win that argument but the fact is the world has moved on enormously since we had that debate almost two years ago what we now know yes I think I mean we've had over the summer the explanation from the government that was a No Deal would actually mean the government's own plan the checkers clan has been shot to pieces by people in their own cabinet let alone critics outside I think the consequences are becoming much more apparent and people some people might say well okay we'll put up with it others we may wish to change their mind and we want to give them the right to change we were told we were told every single day for months on end ahead of the 2016 referendum that leaving would be terrible for the economy massive and people voted for it anyway well some of them did knowing the consequences I think it may well be that a lot of people would want to reaffirm that judgment but all the evidence from the polling is that large numbers of people now there begins to see what the consequences might be are changing their mind should we be one should read me one the 2017 election as well because people might have changed their minds we do and then we have election or elections every few years people for a second referendum in five years time are they were asked a people asking for a second referendum before we leave the EU so should we rerun every election maybe once a month just in case some people have changed their minds we've got more information 85% of voters voted for brexit supporting party well parties that promised doing a large numbers of labour people do not support that position they voted for parties vintage well how much are we going to second-guess voters on this we had a referendum then what are the reasons of course why there was a referendum was because a lot of political parties didn't represent the views of the British public we had a vote and now we're told were this more information there's there's nothing in the latest version of project fear there's any different from the original version of projects they read the reason we originally had a referendum was because there was the division in the conservative part is that Cameron wish to resolve in that way and it wasn't a particularly sensible thing to do and it's landed the country and unless it was not there was there was no popular clamor a referendum that we didn't have it was no popular tell you what there was no popular clamor for that was a referendum on av but we had one of those about four people in the Lib Dems who wanted that we still had one of those there was there had been quite quite clear majority view there should be a referendum on the EU for a number of years that was why there was a referendum that really isn't the case I mean we've seen the government at the time we knew perfectly well that it was a an absolutely minor issue we were tackling with how to save the country after the collapse in the financial system that was the priority and a very difficult issues around that was my deal with it but you know the Conservative Party run an internal argument about Europe which has gone forever and made life hell for John major and then Cameron and that's how they tried to resolve it but the fact is we've had it the situation has now moved on we've got a clear review about what No Deal or to reason that Dez deal might actually involved and it seems perfectly reasonable and democratic to go back to the public and say are you happy with this deal she's got or would you rather stay where we are on the hold on a minute why would you stay here why not no are you happy with this Deal or No Deal we've already answered thee we've already answered the leave will remain question so now we want to ask people how should we leave why would you feel the need to put remaining we've already answered that well because we now know that remain is on the certain to be a good deal better than the deal which is on to potentially on the offer or they know the No Deal arrangement and I think there is an opportunity for people to vote again and and if people voted again to to leave would you then accept that or would you want to have another vote in two years time because people change their minds n-no of course and that is that is being accept two out of three then yes well we've had to as you say and this would be the third and of course that that is the end of the controversy with time being for the time
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in the studio by two people who will be marking brexit day in very different ways it's Lucy Harris from the group levers of London and Maddalena K otherwise known as EU super girl welcome to both of you Lucy how will you be celebrating oh gosh fly over something like that that would be great no my group will be having a massive party but we're debating whether it should be this time next year or the 23rd of June I think it should be the 23rd of June because that was decided by the people not by politicians okay so you're still rang about when you should have how will you be marking the date next March oh it's actually my birthday today happy birthday I'll be celebrating my birthday and we'll be celebrating it with EU superhero Day because we are going to stop brexit before it happens and we're going to make the 29th of March a celebration of everyone that has achieved that aim how are you going to stop it between now and then we are going to demand a vote on the final deal and we are going to get the public to support our campaign to stop brexit and actually save Britain from this travesty that's going to just damage our economy and our society for decades to come right that's going to rather dampen your celebrations obviously if that happens you won't be celebrating at all well it's not happening so my party's still on everyone's invited including Madeleine she's definitely invited to come along I thought you're inviting Nigel then yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be a great turnout and I think it's not to look forward to I mean we're going into the big world now as the UK and we've got so much to look forward to new trade deals new friendships it's an amazing opportunity of anything apart from maybe a drink how will you be celebrating well I'm absolutely with the 23rd of June idea I think it should be once bracelets happen that should be a national holiday wouldn't that be a wonderful thing we can celebrate the fact we've become a normal country again because normal countries make their own laws and determine their own future right I see let's see how our guests might be celebrating or marking the day Andria Letson your colleague leader at the house says tweeted one year to go and I still wake up punching the air each morning hashtag brexit do you do that let me think let me think well not for too long no you know I said no I I always said I've always said that the big event with regard to brexit was that referendum results morning and from that part but from that point of time onwards it becomes a process rather than an event and we are in the process of for detaching ourselves from the European Union in the process signing up trade deals both through the European Union and more widely and what we will see actually is this will all be normalized we discuss immigration policy that will just be normal we discuss trade policy that will be just normal domestic policy it would just become part of normal political life and that's why I welcome you're shaking your head worried the Treasury slides show us that briggsae is going to cost between 1 percent and 10 percent of our gross domestic products so it's not going to be you know a great new dawn it's going to be austerity for decades and that's nothing to celebrate but I'm with Madalena I think we need to look at the terms we need to see you know are we swapping our three-course meal in the EU for a packet of crisps in the brave new brexit world and if we are people have the right to change that their mind that is the democracy and I'll be baking a cake and eating it because staying in the EU is the only way for us to do that right I mean David Lammy your colleague said in a recent comment in the new European I know some people are switching their savings into euros but you know it's a bit like Game of Thrones we can't escape this winter is coming does you need to get over it I don't I think people it's a free country people are allowed to express their opinions for every 17 people that voted for brexit 16 people voted against it there are many levers who now regret their votes they know it's complicated costly and taking longer than they thought and they see the consequences played out in their jobs in their shopping bills and in investment in the companies they work for and they're worried right Madalena you'll still have your birthday even if you don't have anything else to celebrate next year no we have to stop brexit because the reality of brexit is not going to live up to the lies that were promised and not only that you know there's all this talk about democracy and how we have to respect the will of the people well you know there's a there's a camp a protest in Parliament this evening could the fervor for the fair vote because you know these whistleblowers have come out and called out the the leave campaign for for for misconduct for cheating ah well on that nigel is it important to abide by election rules i mean do the allegations vote leave breaching spending rules warrant a full investigation if this all started with accusations about cambridge and let's go harvesting data online are they harvested in America mostly 50 million people on estates breaching rules and desert so have Cambridge and have broken the law no and there's been a lot of hysteria but if you sawed up the Guardian and if you sign up for the Guardian app you also sign up for your detail and your friends to be shared I think this is silly and the bomber harvested too and Reuben it's important to abide by election rules yes it warrant any reason why David Cameron was allowed to spend 9 million pounds of our money putting a leaflet for every donation was perfectly legal is there a technical infringement on whether instructions were given I don't know can you promise us not to go skinny-dippin this time no I can't promise can you promise that once we get up a common Fisheries Policy we can put an ecologically sound system in place and be better for the environment as well as for our democracy why didn't you say that when you should have turned up for the committee meetings it had no power and that's the point at the point is and you can have your slogans about Liberty the point is it is a fundamentally undemocratic Union where the big bureaucrats are in charge and that's what we voted against our table will be fitting outside the door and on this note doesn't sound like much of a party does it at the moment with these two I don't know there's always some brawler a party no I mean there has been two tribunals already or investigations into the Oh vote leave stuff and has already been thrown out so before this ends up as a brawl god forbid I bid you good well good well or good bye I should say promoting they're not evil they're good guys you they believe in the declaration they believe in the Constitution they believe in their families they're nice people they'll have all the best intentions all the best intentions they're just incompetent they're just not good at what they do or they just have the wrong ideas and here's the thing it's easy for the little collectivists to make this case in the absence of any countervailing force if we don't shout out then it's easy for them to make this case because they'll tell you what kind of wonderful intentions they have see their intention in being collectivist is to shut you down and of course you are a bunch of racist sexist big and homophobes who hate the poor and that's why we need collective power because as individuals you're all bad folks you're all bad people collectivism is only justified to protect our rights and if the rights aren't threatened by individuals and there's no justification for the collectivists so that's why they have to say that we are the violation of rights we are the rights violators right were the bad guys they're the good guys so it's time for us to recognize for just a moment what collectivists are and they are emissaries of an evil ideology and we have to call it by its name it is evil it is not decency it is not well-intentioned it is evil now we know all that not just because of the impact of their policies of course we know that not because of the literally hundreds of millions of dead bodies strewn around the globe thanks to the Soviet Union thanks to China thanks to various other communist countries North Korea we know that also not because of the crushing poverty that the collectivists have produced in places across the globe today ranging from South America to Africa to Asia to Detroit right we know that it's not just evil because of what collectivism does it's evil because of what collectivism intends to do in fact collectivism and this is what I'm going to talk about here collectivism violates every single one of the ten commandments that is the definition of evil to me if you violate even one of the Ten Commandments you're in trouble you violate all ten and you're in serious particularly with God so so I'm a fan of the 10 commandments as the yarmulke attests it's it's well written document it's got style it's got grace it's really well well done well played God and and so I want to go through these because I think it's important for folks to understand why collectivism wins and what the threat of collectivism is and we need to speak about these things in moral terms see the big problem that we have here with with the sirloin crowd is that all of us who like sirloin like to discuss things in measured tones see is a hobby to us we all have jobs we all have families we all have lives we all have things that we would rather do then talk about the folks on the other side or even talk with the folks on the other side and so we like to attribute to them all the best intentions we like to attribute to them that they think right because we know these folks and many of them don't know what they're talking about many of them are just ignorant but the reality is that when you're polite you lose when you're polite you lose Mitt Romney learned this in 2012 Mitt Romney spends his entire campaign explaining to the American people that Barack Obama was a very very nice guy who believes in the Declaration of Independence in the Constitution of the United States he just sucked at his job and Barack Obama spent the entire campaign saying the Mitt Romney strap dogs to the roof of cars wanted to put y'all back in Chains had binders full of women because he hated women and specifically fired a guy just so that his wife would six years later died of cancer without insurance is it any wonder that Mitt Romney loses that race because most Americans who are busy watching American Idol are gonna tune in for the last five minutes of the race and what they're going to accept is this particular narrative right good guy bad manager versus Darth Vader so let's speak the truth for just a moment I don't make some folks uncomfortable because you know the truth always makes some folks uncomfortable let's go through the Ten Commandments and explain how it is that collectivism is a threat to each and every one of the ten commandments first of all the first commandment I'm the Lord that God who brought you out of Egypt out of the land of bondage this is fundamental opposition to collectivism if we're all individuals created in the image of God were special and precious and that means that no one gets to invade our rights just because they think that they are superior to us our rights it turns out that they matter more than the government and for three millennia for the Jewish people and for more than two centuries in America the working theory has been that if you tell me that I am supposed to respect God above government you will meet me at my door with a gun and guess what millions of people have died for their God and I promise you this I promise you this I will go to jail I will pick up a gun before the government of the United States tells me I'm supposed to violate my religious precepts a second commandment thou shall have no other gods before me not government and not fairness not a certain someone a certain someone about whom his wife said quote our souls are broken in this nation and he can heal you or he will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual uninvolved uninformed I was at the 2012 DNC which is one of the scariest experiences of my life and when I was at the DNC it actually was a frightening experience because it was a cult-like atmosphere he went to the did for those who are at the DNC I'm glad you made it out alive congratulations and when he went there there was actually believe it or not an actual stone statues a sand statue of President Obama really it was a sand statue out on the street of President Obama they'd actually removed the iconography of the Democratic Party the donkey was gone right there was no donkey nowhere to be found it was all Barack Obama's face or that supremely creepy icon the Obama icon with the with the red oh and then the blue people underneath or maybe was blue oh and the red people underneath whatever it was and it had been completely substituted there wasn't and there was an idolatrous worship of the president something that I'd never seen in American politics and we on the right we like Ronald Reagan but it turns out that when we go to when we go to bed at night we don't light a little candle in our closet for him we understand that Ronald Reagan was a human being who did some incredibly wonderful things and also did some stuff that wasn't so great folks on the Left don't think like that collectivists can't afford to think like that collectivists have to think in terms of idols they have to worship something because that's how human beings are made we are made to worship something and see they're gonna be God or it's gonna be government or it's gonna be an idol okay third commandment that gets broken by collectivists on a routine basis collectivism it always masquerades as godly right the third commandment is thou shalt not that thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain if I have to hear President Obama one more time cite the book of Matthew yeah the least of these Hey look I'm an Orthodox Jew Jesus is not my guy well he originally was one of my guys but now you know it turns out not and but when Barack Obama cites the book of Matthew a fan first of all does not know ii thessalonians 3:10 right if anymore if any would not work neither shall they eat right and and when he's not spending his time is quoting the bible he's he's parading the Bible in 2006 I don't know if you've ever seen this speech it's worth watching he gave a speech in which he talked about all the downfall of the flaws in the Bible he said quote which passages of scripture should guide our public policy should we go with Leviticus which suggests slavery is okay and that eating shellfish is an abomination well first of all Barack you don't know much about Leviticus and you don't know much about the commentaries but beyond that there's still some of us who actually think that eating shellfish is an abomination I haven't had an oyster for my entire life the use of God by focusing on the collective left in order to manipulate the Bible to get to people to make them feel like they're moderate this is what the left has to do this is what the collectivists have to do there's less credibility to the theory that Barack Obama can quote two consecutive Bible verses than to the theory that he's born in Kenya Obama likes the Bible like he likes the Constitution roasted with just a bit of barbecue sauce fourth commandment remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy this is the idea that your labor belongs to God regular labor is God it's not government's and then it's the idea that you get to act out your religion in public life keeping the Sabbath is not just at first of all it's it's the greatest thing in in my life obviously is if you saw me walking around yesterday and I'm sorry to folks I couldn't take a picture with but that's why the Sabbath is a wonderful thing for all religious people because it's an acknowledgment that this is not right this is God's and so collectivists hate the Sabbath because it's not ours and it's not God's it's theirs by the way it's it's it's the Sabbath that keeps us a charitable people it's that recognition that this is not our property that keeps us giving charity the minute you take away Sabbath the minute you take away the notion that your property is not yours but gods then charity goes away right charity the Sabbath these are there to make us good people that's the goal collectivist are there to make us bad people they want us to be bad people because then that justifies of course more collectivism fifth commandment is to honor thy father and thy mother left is not big into this the collectivist are not the Communist Manifesto is extraordinarily clear about this the Communist Manifesto rates in this direct quote on what foundation is the present family the blue schwa family based and by the way folks when you read the word blue schwa from the from the Communist Manifesto it's not talking about rich people and bushwa is that vaunted middle class that you hear folks in the tofu party talk about a fair bet and they're not real big on it Communist Manifesto says on capital on private gain and it's completely developed form the family exists only among the blue schwa but this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians and in the public prostitution in other words the breakdown of the family is necessary for communitarianism because the family is is the core element that protects you against the against the the vicissitudes of life it's where you find your protection it means you don't need government and in fact it means you want government to leave you alone because you every word a I'm just stopping by to remind you that we live around our in Sein social justice 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now today we've got this call from the former education secretary Justin greeting admittedly a remainder you could say the usual suspects but nevertheless the first former cabinet minister who has called for there to be a second referendum to revolve the deadlock result the deadlock on brexit do you think she's right no she's not right there is there is a difficulty because the referendum on rx-8 voted for a solution an answer gave an answer that a lot of the politicians don't want and what we've always seen in the European Union is when there's a referendum and it votes the wrong way eventually somebody starts trying to have another referendum to make sure that people get it right next time I mean if this proposal was accepted I mean the British people becoming separated with their politicians what is the point of having a referendum if you then conclude that they've got it wrong and they've got to go they've got to vote again I mean this is an absolute nonsense and as for the idea of having a three-question referendum with three options on the ballot paper I mean how are we going to interpret what the result means would we not leads in that case we would surely need to have a sort of French presidential style run off of the top two if there is a deadlock in British politics it is usually resolved with a general election and if Parliament is determined to block brexit Tereza may will have to take the decision back to the British people in the form of a general election because what we need what the last thing we need is another referendum extending all the business uncertainty insulting the British people they got it wrong last time because they're too old or too stupid and we hear a lot of that but what the if you if you decide to have a referendum you have to accept the decision otherwise you've got no respect for democracy given that Parliament did accept the result initially I mean we know what's going on they're trying to fatigue everybody into thinking it's just not worth trying to leave the European Union if the new European Commission are behind the campaign which is why they have negotiated in the way that they have last week Barney that the chief negotiator actually said soon it will be crystal clear that the best at the best option for the United Kingdom the best deal were to stay in the European Union that's what they want they want to divide this country would you say you've got to respect the decision I mean the one person who's not respecting the decision is the Prime Minister the Tory leader elected to respect decision she her entire you know mandate was as becoming Tory leader and in the last general election such as he got a mandate was that she would enact brexit do you agree with the David Davis's former chief of staff Stuart Jackson who accused number 10 yesterday of a long planned coup d'etat by the establishment um and I think there's something in that there is no doubt that the advice the Prime Minister gets from officials is reflects the vastly prevalent view among civil servants that the country has voted the wrong way and we shouldn't be leaving the EU and they they cannot see past the all the bureaucratic and business interests which want to keep us in they cannot see the opportunities and the freedom that is so important to the character of our country which people voted to get back they just don't get that and the result is that Prime Minister has been besieged by very remaining advice as though leaving the EU is not an opportunity for a new future it's a terrible car crash to try and be to try and put right and I'm afraid that attitude permeates the checkers proposals which is why so many of us are very unhappy with them well the lot of talk from there do Euroskeptics and Jacob Riis Morgan others has been about you know changing the policy not the leader but yes AJ could be smug describe to us a remainer who has remained a remainer is it possible for the Prime Minister now to deliver a meaningful break so that will please the majority well please leave voters well because of the way the EU has negotiated and boxed us into this corner hey they're entitled to go she ate hard good for them I say yes well they are but because their refusal to negotiate anything sensible and we just have to leave and the WTO auction looks increasingly attractive first of all if there's no deal at all we wouldn't have to pay any money to the European Union and we could spend the money on ameliorating any disruption that might arise but at least we won't have to spend all that money secondly we are an instant control of all our regulation our tariff schedules we can move instantly to do that great trade deal that President Trump wants to do with this we don't have to hang around in a transition or wait for year as well some of you complicated customs customs system beds down it ends the uncertainty which is what for everybody and finally if there is disruption if the EU for example does Knobloch aircraft landing at the European airports I mean people will see what a vindictive and destructive organization the EU has become and that is exactly why people voted leaf and certainly that's the impression I've been getting of the EU and this is right of them as friends but if they don't want to be friends that's entirely up to them but the reality is it's a total abject failure by the Tory Prime Minister to actually deliver a decent a negotiation position I've got to be sitting I'm thinking maybe I would have liked Donald Trump to be in charge of those negotiations work but Boris Johnson's days written an article The Daily Telegraph his first back interesting he's chosen to get a nice big sum of money for his first major words since resigning rather than giving a speech to the House of Commons don't give it away for free Boris never he says Britain must believe in itself after brexit he says he wants a more positive vision for leaving the EU and he's talked about the lack of self confidence in the current debate in the EU whether we can do things for ourselves and that we should rediscover the spirit of dynamism of Victorian age go back out to the world in a way that we had perhaps forgotten now that all sounds wonderful but it's not going to happen under Theresa May fingers I mean we all know that absolutely for hands-down it's not gonna happen so how are you going to deliver that sort of brexit under this prime minister people have constantly underestimated to resume people thought for example that the meeting with President Obama was going to be a disaster and she turned it into a triumph a lot of people thought she wouldn't survive until now and here she still is and no doubt people are writing her death warrant as we speak but I rather suspect she's going to carry on she is a she's got bags of guts you know and guts in politics counts for a great deal this protectors proposal I suspect is the last throw of the dice of the establishment view that somehow you've got to find some middle way between leaving and staying in the European Union it is highly likely that the European Union will reject this because they will not divide the Four Freedoms the freedom to trade goods from the freedom of movement and the freedom of capital and so on and it this this deal offends their principles and I think they will find it very difficult to swallow and when they don't accept it we must just say look right we're leaving either you give us a sensible withdrawal agreement and we go to WTO terms preferably on a zero tariffs because really I mean is the European Union mad they want to put tariffs on on on goods from the United Kingdom when we've had zero tariffs for so many well exactly but I mean okay we'll stick tariffs on their import into the UK and we will raise an extra 19 billion pounds a year and and we can use that money to cut business taxes make ourselves more competitive until the EU see sense there won't be tariffs this is all bluff like the Northern Ireland stuff a lot of bluff and you know that you can push my push Margaret Thatcher you can push Theresa made so far and I think she will she will battle for this country
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this is a power grab by the executive it's not giving power back to the sovereign Parliament I think that's a misunderstanding of what's happening this is a two-stage process currently all those powers are with Brussels they will come back to Westminster and from there I hope and expect many of them will be devolved and that will be a matter of discussion between the devolved Parliament's and the United Kingdom Parliament and Parliament will then determine what laws are made in future because as well if the secondary powers are used by the governments that country legislation always goes through Parliament now sometimes it does even on a negative resolution if enough MPs object to a secondary residence the government cannot resist absurd I'm sorry I'm going to correct you because in 2014 50 years there were 19 prayers again not that single one led to a vote the noise did not have a majority of parliament praying again so you could have a majority no no what I am saying is that for secondary legislation there always has to be either the tacit or implicit consent of parliament the only way you can assess whether there's the whether there's the assent of Parliament is if you have a vote and a debate and the government over the last two years simply hasn't been allowing us to do it 26 MPs to support a prayer against us negative instrument you would find that there was a vote in parliament invariably as it happens I do agree with you that the government should be more open to allowing prayers against the negative resolutions when signed by leading figures in the object I'd be helpful and just to help you didn't frankly have the balls to put country before party
remain as Steve was branded stupid after suggesting the best solution for the British governments to get rid of the brexit backstop is to invade Island and annex the European Union country to the UK remain backing Cola Steve bizarrely proposed Britain should declare war on the Republic of Ireland to bypass the obstacle of the brexit back start the British government has seen the proposed withdrawal deal with the European Union rejected twice and it concerns the backstop an insurance policy to avoid a hard border on the arm of Island could be exploited to keep the UK in the EU customs union and the single market speaking to LBC Steve said we could invade Island we've invaded Afghanistan why not Island war is the ultimate answer to a problem we're trying to avoid that but if it comes people have to accept it I'm being practical I voted remained because I knew this would be a problem the proposal cause presenter Tom Swarbrick to put his head in his hands in disbelief and sparked a furious response from brexit backer Peter who was also on the line Peter said what a stupid thing for the guide to say you are being stupid now you shouldn't be talking like that I was gonna say if you are the sort of person who would vote for romaine it shows how stupid people are who voted that way Peter however also suggested Dublin should consider joining the United Kingdom albeit voluntarily to create a bigger trading bloc with British business he continued when you look at it they are right on our border you wouldn't have any of these issues about customs or anything then we'd be better off why would they want to be stuck in Europe when we are right next door to them we've got the border with Northern Ireland and they're just across the sea are England and Wales why not just join in and have us as one block Teresa may sought to win support in Parliament for her brexit withdrawal deal with additional assurances from Brussels the backstop would not be triggered MPs however rejected her proposed agreement for the second time last week and urged her to seek an extension of the negotiations past the 29th of March deadline European Council boss Donald Tusk suggested EU leaders would only grant an extension if Parliament votes for Teresa Mays EU eggs our deal next week speaking from Brussels mr. tusk said in the light of the consultations that I have conducted over the past days I believe that a short extension will be possible but it will be conditional on a positive vote on the withdrawal agreement in the House of Commons however European Commission President jean-claude Juncker has said the EU has done much to accommodate the UK of a brexit and can go no further
“Brexit is an exercise in self-mutilation” was the stark message delivered by the Rt Hon Dominic Grieve QC, MP, who addressed an audience of over 200 people of all ages at Hayesfield School on 20th September at an event organised by Bath for Europe.
Mr Grieve is a key national figure in the ongoing Brexit drama who was dubbed the Tory ‘Rebel Commander’ earlier this year.
[Applause] they would come earlier today after loses desire a little bit to escape from that house of Western sanity the hander coming out above just wandering around for an afternoon would be exceptionally pleasant but the madhouse ETS and what I wanted to do this evening in coming to see you with traveling just look for animal acts how we got where we are able to dwell too much on the past but I think it's quite important that we retain and then try to consider how we get ourselves out of the difficulties that we are now faced now Lizzy they kindly excuse me as a quiet voice of reason behind I have to admit that I do have views on this subject only variously described as a traitor a rebel commander my they said I was a respectable Che Guevara wasn't despite the grand logic about mesfet but I have been trying over the last two years and perhaps even more great just to try to see people identified what what probably it is for us in this country and whether there's a way of resolving because what I have absolutely no doubts about is that we are in the middle of a revolutionary period in our history United peacetime I don't you ever experienced anything like it since the 17th century it device analyst device generations device political parties bikes framers a subject which has become intensely political and where let's face it the passage of two years or more since the original referendum people thought that somehow the heat would go out base in the consensus of herbs on the result of the referendum to 2016 I think in one thing only time you objectively swabbies like the lack of agreed is it just hasn't happened and it hasn't happened but this is really important it goes to the very roots of our identity as British citizens away leave you our place in the world and it also goes breathe deep I think each one names Isis and expirations and hopes about what our future not just ourselves grandchildren and future generations might be about and I think that one thing and absolutely in this but come back to it in a moment as it gets so important is that we do also in this debate have to understand the other person's point of view because if we do we're not going to bring our country together and the point of view or visible to what brings you here at the flags and everything else we're not going to many under the argument will be 1 when we persuade others that's in fact what we're trying to lose over is correct not when we Yahoo's movement say you've got it wrong so we really need to think about those things what I wanted to do this evening was just to take these foods that elicit it acts like a knew [Applause] something about the referendum itself let's face it the referendum unleashed very great passions some which anxieties about immigration anxieties about being lied to by the political Edie's know your base people to have a refreshing least inning with you about politicians maybe repayment of made promises and people and then service that seems being you couldn't keep but that's not where we are today wondering where we are today's people believe that we go out into the community and that's incredibly corrosive in a democracy and it starts to make rational debate really difficult and I have to say to you over the last 20 years I don't think perhaps it goes back governor I can think of many occasions when people have turned around and said well we're just not being told the truth and the difficulty also is that we as a political class might plead guilty to this as much as anybody else with rare exceptions but actually within the to mainstream political parties the default position has been that the European Union and our membership ability to sort of irritating necessity but positives about EU membership have simply gone completely by default only to be articulated by a tiny minority party an aggressively over a 20-year period i watch the groove that might be positive without positives say about the you membership gradually there were lots of in parliament in 97 plus a timing up to 2050 there were hardly any left in other extreme early I'm now the chairman of the conservative group to Europe and as I could achieve I who has been quite Euroskeptics around again this game has been a short they came up to the referendum and said would you like to become the chairman of the center of Europe as it is things but that's instead – it's the grounds of it mysteriously under our theme and people's views become unafraid more and more austere so it David Cameron try to resolve this issue and David was much given to Houdini tricks it was the absolute versus the ticking a whole strips of an interactionist he came out of X matter in this case he didn't but the thing he had was that he wanted to try to clear the air and as you know he came out these in Romania but quite frankly about the time he came around to doing that despite the fact we know that the Brussels actually got brought the better deal the people that never appreciated in terms of some of our classes just wasn't listen to I think it's coming to Conservative Party said come on guys we've gotta get legal by then the damage was done and I had to say other political parties what the liberal don't ask the people we've been a minority party labour hood also any colored buyers prices as a need you can ask with the labor is net their labor suppose in this room that ultimately it was dead by something hasn't the slightest interest in EU membership arbitrate about it at all and again uses it as a way towards evening as a sort of trigger of associates evolution proceeds if you might don't share that doesn't really seem to be engaging so this argument was gone by default and frankly referendum campaigns they're abandoned conducted other remain easels talk about what it is about our European partnership which is important for the future and actually the only message out is if you vote these they know who'll be coming Armageddon will the many people great that's not a good argument to make where are the positives lead campaign was able to feed into this massive amount of discontent which could manifest itself by saying I'm going to show that I had a voice and the voice is to say I reject what the political elites are telling me and that's why we've landed ourselves where we are now Rendon is out we may not like it but we offered the referendum and came up with the result which made a small majority between the German see same thoughts need and that missing elements of the great pilot is something we really are that solution ignoring but I'm afraid that's just wrong you have to come get around the democracy to say to people we're simply going to eat Norway when we offered you something and said it was bad enough discontent with the political class but that will just be satisfied any famous the Conservative Party is something which music doesn't emergences was quite entertaining really only came together it decided the last thing he wanted was a leadership of action which was prolonged it tried to try to think of the current prime minister who tried to bring us together it elected her it engages Richard disavowing one or two people who've been thought to be sort of pegged rather back in the course of the invasion attempt like my old friend like both but not politics so we begin a few things and then we will rally behind to him he said that she said she would see what she could do she is not on her besides this a person who is animated had a very strong sense of public service I know her over thoughts yet going to university together but I absolutely think about what she wants to do her best for the country people think it's right to say it in appreciation after she's taken a very clear view that the only answer to the question is to the men pressing I met their kids being repeatedly asked by journalists over and over again so far mr. will will be better off from around with me being an honest person she refuses to answer she refuses to answer because she knows if it wasn't clear some years ago it's abundantly clear that spearheads the things that we are in the process of doing ourselves that you mean amount of events are described this is an exercise insult user nation and that is what we are embarked upon of course I can't believe where we're going to be in 30 years time Annie you could collapse all sorts of things happen and you might even through all this trauma we will put ourselves Germany UK will do better than people expected none of us as politicians can answer that question hey maybe look at what's going to happen in the short term medium term is that we are going to be impoverished we are going to losing with investments we are engaging our manufacturing sector we are engaging our financial sector which is a rolls-royce offering we have Europe at least some people they've acted as a sector the details of the same services sector is 80 percent of our GDP we're endangering all that and pricklies continue my view is with an interesting defense and national security we're eight days in our national security and we're going to do that in an environment where we are surrounded I'm afraid by increasingly hostile axis massive disturbance and sub-saharan Africa Middle East roads and people on the move trying to find a better future and the Russia that has become extremely predatory and completely regardless of international rules in his behavior and into a little glass we're creating paths for our partners in the EU and ultimately for ourselves and it is reducing our influence on the world States whereas actually in the last 40 years with further political parties we've found ourselves a meet that we were occupying positions about the Imperial grandeur that actually is about an ethics basic rules basis society without a lot to over the world and a real capacity little democracy freedom and the rule of law for which we are immensely respecting on the worldwide basis and all that is being called into question so the Prime Minister goes off and she tries to negotiate she tries to be bitchy and you can see what it is she's trying to do it's not Commission if we're going to go she's trying to minimize the damage and tries to maximize the opportunities the minimizing of the bandages she knows the manufacturing sector will not survive the collapse of being the customs union actually access to the single market zone or anything else she's trying to protect that she's abandoned any attempts of trying to bring services it's the single working because of course services require freedom of movement and one of the big issues in referendum was all about immigration alone the reality is why so many babies on the doorstep of people in Macclesfield were not complaining about the nice Spanish nurses in the local hospital they were complaining about a much wider anxiety which has very little to do with the EU axle and the reality is believe me human what's going to happen is the immigration from outside is going to go up it's already happening the statistics the integration will respond to the number of jobs available of course of he wrecked the economy completely well then there will be no to the utility but I'm not sure that's going to make any person in this country any happier or better so she's attempted to do that and she's had great difficulty she's made a number of speeches she set out her pitch in each one has come up makes a number of real basic problems and I'm afraid quite a lot of my Mexico colleagues at Westminster don't understand the nature of the difficulty there seems to be an imagination among some people that the UK have just declared independence rather like the United States from the United Kingdom in the 18th century having broken apart within an eyeball to eyeball negotiation where everybody should be looking for their own obviously our teacher areas where the mutual advantage why is it not possible for us to continue trading in goods and services with the EU in exactly the same way as if we were members of a well the answer is we are not engaged in the negotiation with a super specter in fact the multinational negotiation with a state at all despite each of the wonderful pariah status communication this is an international treaty organisation underpinned by a rule book as well he needs and the reason why the rule book is very long is because no international treaty organization ever attempted to do anything quite as complex as the EU is done and we signed up to it progressively bit by bit and we signed up to it because it was in our national interest and who is the person who did more than anything to turn it into what it is today that was Margaret Thatcher because she thought it was in our national interest that there should be a single market in goods and services and because countries misbehave if you allow them to cherry-pick around the edges you have to have a mechanism to control the single market in goods and services and ensure that there's a level playing field because otherwise it will be exploited and it's happened in the past we have a thrust the European Court of Justice you may remember at the end from mouth at the inside the end of the pse scare because they were using the excuse of hygiene phytosanitary arguments to prevent us exporting land to France and beef because they said it was in a big market an item's totally spurious options to protect French farmers we have to take these you Germany CJ said we're breaking the rules I think they find them 9 million euros a day until they change their policy that's why the European Court of Justice exists it's not there to create our slavery it is there to provide a structure by which countries which otherwise will have competing interests can't cooperate together but with a system which does have sanctions if you breach the rules and the trouble is what they don't know what it saves why you barbers is pleased allows the Cugini to participate fully in virtually everything you're doing all of this just is Galileo everything but please we don't wish to be bound by the rules but these two things are national sovereignty and we want to take back control it can be done and the whole of the negotiating process has been since me by the fact we have unrealistic expectations of our real partners and then they come along and say when they come and see what you can tap this we can agree it's a very sort of British and that's why we are where we are now in fairness the Prime Minister cleaning out the checkers plan knows this very well and she was trying to achieve something which resulted number of different distances I said she found of services efficient things that we probably have to deregulate our service sector that's home attention and just have to take the heat which is going to be very big lots of facts are already moving stuff over animals with natural sector only two days ago are very nicely surer buy a house wrote to me incident in future the company was incorporated leave us alone it's happening for goods and services she wants for goods she wants to preserve the access was couldn't trigger the customs arrangements and access into a single market the trouble is that is very hard to achieve unless he went into a customs union and the more than island disputes on raising its head and obligations to Northern Ireland under the Good Friday minute and there's no point in getting worked up about it we signed up to this and well it doesn't say that we have to be in the European Union with the Irish government it presupposes that we were both in and of course you congratula treaty we've done it at the pub supposing the Combinator's but is that what we want to do to our closest neighbor and in many ways whether it's a small country our closest partner with whom we've been working together peace in an area our country we should be bedeviled by haha yes we don't a Prime Minister dozens and of course she also knows that she doesn't want to be the prime minister he goes out in history as being there when the United Kingdom breakup and I'm not very I have to say to you that there is a serious risk that the United Kingdom will break up interesting Abel's nominees without the slightest doubt the place where that's most likely to happen because the reality is that the union will allow the United Kingdom to be entirely on the beat the years by moderate nationalists who think it's a much better arrangement than the return to violence and if they decided it wanted then the majorities it strongly tight and probably in the next five to ten years the demographics may and all sensible unions Morgan Island know this very well so that's the personal ease and of course whether that can be achieved without violence is very difficult to predict the Scotland's actually into the sturgeon hasn't arrived much benefit from racism shaped own because she seen as being rather obsessed with the referendum on and on subject but I have to say to you in the longer term the exit is not a success there yes of course even be fueled for nationalists who want to break up the United Kingdom but I am shocked I can only describe it this way that can-do attitude to some of my conservative supporters Marcus it you see you just seem to think it doesn't matter only Union is is nothing it it's not anything it does quite apart from anything else is sort of exhibition in isolationism slowly take down to a smaller and smaller entity doesn't strike me as a sign of national sovereignty so the grandest has got a problem she's got us out afternoon I can't say that the response to me you came as any surprise because I think that what they would like to do is to put us into justin.tv I think that's what they would like well though the customs union has huge problems the Prime Minister's cell two large sections of my party because it means at that point that you can't do international trade deals now I can understand all the topics that have come up I understand least is a lot about international trade deals generally those four times as much trade with China quite comfortably was that we do whilst remaining in the EU other listeners can say around the world and try to get business for UK plc and should be doing it and in many cases our EU membership is entirely up to want to import for example primary materials there have no terrace at any time so the EU doesn't impose them psyche what to do interesting deals with Australia from between Candida brought us a lot of primary producers minerals and things like that there is no restrictions on the unit level and shearwater the EU is very slowly making trade deals for cities 27 member states and 28 including us it's difficult to do and that's why the faults of the insecticide team I'm also sort of totally your pardon things to use wonderful we have serious systemic flaws which come from its size and the inertia we bring about positive change but not inviting the reason why we should be leading and if you go when you look at all this immediately you must weaken Australia New Zealand and the contribution to increasing our GDP will be buying it most of what my colleague Liam Fox is doing is running around the world trying to replicate the trade deals of the EU already has on our hands with dozens of member states manufacturing I think it's quite clear quite a few of them saying well we either a trade deal actually the terms after favorables are tuned into the EU app because you're a smaller country I mean you've got less to offer 65 million people dot 400 million us so this is going nowhere and the idea of immediate objectives with China India or mr. Trump's protectionist United States frankly the way things are at the moment is just nothing a smog going to happen or we won't happen at a cost that was faulty views on my colleagues other concerns and diversity 50,000 pieces so that we do Nationals to come in and look quite sure how that squares with my constituents who want to restrict immigration you've got to make the choices so the reality is that I think we are hitting all the bars I don't think the EU wants to be author of bringing down the negotiations in fact everything I've seen to people is that they want to do that I think they will offer a something whether the Prime Minister feels it's something she can accept I don't know it's all going to happen I suspect under their the summit their reasonable is an exercise in Britain shipping the EU but I think there are limits to there well the usually self hugely flexible in accommodating member states which are in for their divergences Hensel we you pay up that's my judgment is that when we had a third country status this is going to be much much harder so it must be possible that she's going to come back to the deal we've designed an unsatisfactory ahead of social object it suppose or it might be a deal which comes in a number of varieties and forms but of course that could mean that it's unacceptable to Jacob and the ERG because it's seen as being the vasa niche causes for our future or indeed it may be that he's so Moody and so touched that he takes up being unacceptable to somebody like me because one thing I really deserve is a mediator than the fudge and the fight is offered to us its withdrawal transition and NS about really fully lost a negotiation blunders find that very hard to accept because most I would like to get through this present periods in our history the truth is if we have a fudge 29th of March not going to them that the based on this one dot the culture what will happen is minority colleagues will face my picket immediately afterwards and the civil war will resume aimlessly through 2019 and 2020 until finally we come to the point where they're leading completely in transitions over don't watch the predict exactly what's going to happen but it seems to me that there is quite a high likelihood that the deal may not get through the House of Commons labor so not gonna support it they set out successes because it does its tests are designed to ensure that they are has no responsibility participating you to practice it process at all because I think they are impossible to meet any librarian opposition I would probably do the same thing but the reality therefore is to get to deal through she learned a lot to persuade theology to support it in which case GD by picking through but there is the risk of any some conservative members of parliament who would be reluctant to vote for it I don't want to predict what the outcome of that would be but I think is absolutely on the knife image and the possibility therefore exists that they will be no deal after the beginning of the ceremony will be rejected by power and that it brings me to what we therefore needs to do about this of course as I keep on writing to people who are predators like as it should see and I mean it's not in the business of pulling the rug from under the decision in 2016 by some tree but I do think that we are entitled to say two years and four months down the road is this what people 30 million 2016 the trouble is this debate was entirely abstract because I had not a decision it's three I know exactly what the 34 vertical leading the single market really is leading the customs union and also leading the heat each jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice which I might add we are not going to be any losers ever continue to have a profound influence as that's simply from the fact that we are enabling state training of the year I believe its jurisdiction technically that the idea that its influence is larval now that may be true can actually genuinely believe it because they're sincere in what they say but the fact is that's not what was on the ballot paper one of the interesting early meetings of it easy very my constituency was with an old-fashioned you didn't who taught the audience which is believe that we should go in through the wedding and some people have actually voted in the police they wanted to but we're dealing because some of my colleagues a questionable way dealers whether she's not illegitimate it's one where those organism but of course he keeps you completely tidy to the rules and regulation to the EU without any very limited influence into how they are performed I mean this is where in a funny way I have some sympathy with objectively small because a characterization of the arrangements that we are endangering ending up with as passage has the element of truth about what we're doing is going along the same these gives an arrangement with seriously in certain areas Linux of freedom of action without any averted input into it at all and I do find that a really quite extraordinary way of operating may be very pragmatic but I can't help things these day to start getting up some as time goes by no presence no presents in the European Parliament an absolutely no well our time in EU the number of times he actually the overall of qualified majority person or any decision for the Council of Ministers I think can be counted all about the single one hand or all of subjects which are actually tricky so we will lose out serially as a result of this then of course people like Jacob wants deregulation that that's legitimate I think it's the idea that returning to the super poor of the North East Atlantic that's a perfectly legitimate sample rule I could say to use a conservative representing a conservative season it's a very conservative seat for 22 years easy to is that I have never time for a tiny minority usually operate our business men we've been very successful in that business careers I'm a kind of cross inhabiting good wishes to pay the price of turning us into the sea the pool of the Northeast Atlantic it needs deregulation it needs very low taxation it also means very little levels of provision of Social Services and health care and I just don't see it I think this is a fantasy for all of us love to think of a country which we might live where we paid sexually their taxes and get wonderful services and the wonderful National Defense and everything else but it doesn't exist so here they have promoting something an idea which as I say outside items were really restricted group they colonists had an attraction but they were totally deconstructing the UK economy and protect thousands of people on the go when it gets rebuilt is not in my view a viable way in which government conducts business and I go to churches of the United pretty quiet government bases a British instinct we are not being quietly covered learning the only thing would they be quietly gonna bust those who miss another revolution upheaval to satisfy a small group of economists swith a miraculous idea of the future doesn't seem to me to be a wise idea so the truth he won't be enough begin to see is is that that Jacob Riis longer than I have to good reason for thinking that the stranger arts group that we're taking is not actually awesome they going to serve this country tool with insulin we all talk to each other again Tony do patiently do the disease needs a decent car they are always very churches of reality is that this deal moves to meet in pretty at one and increasingly to their investments that people are coming out of the spiders lawyers say this deal isn't good as the penny is dropping for that actually taking me back is the good reason why we should now say surely we need to think about this yeah that's a pretty supposed to that combine actors that you want to do in this room the outcome is there that people might still wish to meet deeply you have problems with the question of the sunsets this is some people I wish to the long terms which are part blunt oh what the Prime Minister is trying to negotiate and I have to say T's thinking person graphically better sounder in my head at night I lost this argument on a legal state than I would wear being confronted with asking to sign of something which strikes the as managers the country to the interests of everybody in this room frankly everybody in this country so the opportunities there how are we going to go passes miss many ways how to you not to be my best I suspect we have to keep lots more of these beauties over the experience until we got this thing over but absolutely is that technical sense people's I started saying what greases has never asked Julian are no knows that we should after the 2016 referendum I started maybe should exclude the possibility of having another one I don't use make that very well actually but more time goes by the stronger I feel about this but we will only first of all security and they're those real complexities in labour party is critical if the Labour Party doesn't set up its the market this it will not happen to have seven students so next week the Labour Party conference is going to be fundamentally important to whether this can be achieved but in addition to that we will not be native regard to say to people you made a foolish mistake because even travels have their dues and one thing I've done referendum campaign is a people without a motive leave once those are sometimes characterized salute strange retro fears it brought together a wide swathe of people who the various reasons for the liberation or perhaps the ability to do things or to manage our affairs better would be enhanced by going and it necessarily appreciate all the downsizing competitors that were involved so he needs carrying a lot of those people with us has gotten even moderate spoke to them will niche the shortcomings of the EU there are plenty of them but it's got a highlight of thing that staining I'll clean our corner the fact that the EU is currently at space it you know the great crisis which on departure is not going to bring to an end it's got to deliver a better future to large numbers of European citizens and a better sense of hopeful future it is never start experiencing similar issues elsewhere the rise of populism in Europe is a really marked phenomenon some ways we had it less here than in some other European states even countries but you know that president macro as far as done it's a nice edge between Max and the National for Nationale and if president mackerel can't deliver the next election reverse see it reverse circles and the Merkel in Germany has real problems so they ought to be working together to try to address these issues and we need to say to people who voted leader on the last occasion actually your participation as I said it's my leave colleagues at Westminster I want you there to argue your critique but it's much better to argue that critique eating man out because out the influence just dissipates water left with the signing of things you don't like because economic constraint forces you to do so and the other thing we need to do is take young leaders now we know generationally they don't have the hands of the older generation that usually the reaction I get when I go talk to six warmers and he just can't understand how people have got themselves completely family say so we need them you with some of the earlier to step up to the mark to help get us out so if you want to change people's opinion those nesting he's going on you may have noticed opinion polling shows some marked changes particularly notices so they were voters who went leaving cause such a huge tremor to my label colleagues so that many of them switch from the remainders do quite sort of exciting exciting the quite some children leaders immediately after the referendum the ground seemed to be shifting there be more was in quickly but in this conservative seats such as my own the ground shifted very little tall that's not to say it can't but as I said at the very beginning I think these and just become more entrenched very interesting either one place where I do see change the reason then is amongst women and usually it's because they actually have something so you had me say so this is quite an important issue because we need to break the logjam and as I say people are entitled to their pride and what's equally very entitled try to pride in our national identity of the you we are as a country that needs frequent British exceptionalism act particularly these obsessions and you clean up and it's in our DNA actually it's not a bad thing it's about our contribution to the world and what we can look at we look back on with pride what our forebears of given us none of this is incompatible with me sleep and that they can use that right and actually use it to influence the EU interchange and developments in the variance of the deep unconscious I spoke of the property owners of SM the public competition is what she gets him starts at apartment on antenna is probably time I gently brought I remember to n is appreciate I haven't come here baby touch some peace be to you that's not the purpose but actually a win we will win this argument by avoiding it people want honest neutrals we want us to go out and they want us to work on a cross-party basis which fortunately either many of my coins had absolutely no difficulty do and they want us to come together to argue for the best future for our country and for our children and I'm absolutely determined to continue doing this I mean if the game is lost it works only eight nothing is going to determine from doing investments we've made some sensible foundational attitude leader withdrawal bill to enable that to happen to get the meaningful to prevent the government from implementing any changes untilled Parliament's approved any deal which previously they were taking NASA can be a pastor do occasionally strict like active but usually it's because I didn't want to bring about some right shell in relations with colleagues with Ultima III can't influence Connie she does nice-inator ourselves an interesting I think the way things have been done in my own party is even that the isolating themselves are the ERG their intransigence I think that's important in the doesn't Lee we've got to look beyond this come where we can't get these people spoke and consult any if the outcome is the one who wants and we're going to have to really work very hard to heal the wounds after this act will only come when we engage the public and persuade them that we've made given them an honest set of options and they have respond and we have to respect their result whatever our energies but I think we can do it as the months ago on first of all that we can't carry this I'd like to thank you for everything you've done because if you hadn't flowed this particular flag over the last two years and just said as you were pretty entitled to do I don't like this as a citizen of the democracy I think titled to go out and say I want something else if you hadn't done that we wouldn't even be on the starting blocks thank you very much [Applause]
‘RUSSIAN COLLUSION!’ Nigel Farage calls out Remainer petition signed by MOSCOW residents
Former UKIP leader Mr Farage retweeted a post from Guido Fawkes editor and Brexiteer Hugh Bennett, who revealed a huge amount of signatures had come from places outside of the UK, including Luxembourg. Mr Bennett also revealed a large amount of signatures had come from Russia, promoting Mr Farage to reply: “Russian collusion, we need an enquiry here.” Mr Bennett’s original tweet read: “The ‘Revoke Article 50’ petition Remainers are all getting excited about is being signed by people everywhere from Russia & Saudi Arabia to Papua New Guinea & North Korea… I thought they were meant to be against foreign interference in our democracy?”“There’s even 220 signatures from tiny Luxembourg, Jean-Claude Juncker must have had a busy night.“2 people have managed to sign the petition from Western Sahara, which isn’t even technically a country. One of the Vatican City’s 594 citizens also appears to have signed, the Pope trying to revoke Article 50 too?”Referring to FBPE accounts on Twitter, which …
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you former you kept leader mr. Ferrari tweeted a posts from guida forks editor and brexit heir Hugh Bennett who reveal the huge amount of signatures had come from places outside of the UK including Luxembourg mr. Bennett also revealed a large amount if signatures had come from Russia promoting mr. Faraj to reply Russian collusion we need an inquiry here mr. Bennett's original tweet read the revoke article 50 petition remainders are all getting excited about his being signed by people everywhere foreign interference in our democracy there's even 220 signatures from tiny Luxembourg jean-claude Juncker must have had a busy night two people have managed to sign the petition from Western Sahara which isn't even technically a country one of the vatican cities 594 citizens also appears to have signed the Pope trying to revoke article 52 referring to FB PE accounts on Twitter which means follow back pro-eu he added love the FB pers getting absolutely triggered by this the point isn't that every signature from abroad is fake but there at zero safeguards against fake signatures mr. farrar Chazz called from inquiry into a petition to revoke article 50 image Getty all you need is random Gmail accounts and you can sign as jean-claude juncker from Iran as many times as you like Hugh Grant Annie Lennox and Jennifer Saunders are someof the elitist names that have so far signed the petition along with comedians David Mitchell and Stephen Mangan up to two hours ago more than 1 million people had signed it the petition began doing the rounds on social media after being shared by millionaire Toph mr. grant 58 posting from his Twitter account which has the handle at hacked off you the actor said I've signed and it looks like every sane person in the country is signing to national emergency revoke article 50 and remain in the EU among a wave of angry responses from brexit ears was one from outspoken good morning Britain host Piers Morgan who said Hugh Grant calls 17 point four million Britons insane the revoke article 50 petition remainders are all getting excited about his being signed by people everywhere from Russia thought they were meant to be against foreign interference in our democracy pic twitter.com slash ybt Jeff arcs Hugh Bennett at Hugh Bennett March 21st 2019 because sneering liberal celebrities abusing people they don't agree with has been such a successful political strategy on both sides of the Atlantic meanwhile Prime Minister Theresa may write to European Council President Donald Tusk and asked for a delay to brexit the EU announced they will give her until June 30th
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do you believe everybody that voted leave including myself obviously I think you are directing this at me which is absolutely fair enough that's your opinion do you think we are all massive xenophobes I think worse than that where's racism I think racists I think moan example who voted voted to to is racism is the biggest biggest feeling because when you hear people talking about immigration it's always it's not the European immigrants even the person before we're allowing in all these being over yes and people from from from the Middle East but those people aren't being it will make any difference on of it do being in the EU you dancing legs tall and you don't think that's a problem Clive that that you don't see you don't see any correlation between people coming from the middle-east and a huge leap in terrorism across Western Europe you don't see a correlation with jihadis coming from the Middle East into Europe Berlin recently for example cologne mass rapes in Cologne you don't see that as being linked to the Middle East at all that's just xenophobia and racism Clive is it certainly is linked to the Middle East it is and unfortunately we you know it is linked to Middle East Iraq war yo wreck war released with remove stability so it's linked to it is linked to the Middle East not but it's not linked being in the EU right okay but but jihadi when we think about terrorism that is linked to migrants from the Middle East linked to migrants right but it's ok for you to say that is work life because you voted remain it's not okay for me to say that because I voted leave and therefore I'm a xenophobe in a racist I just wonder climate there any other labels you've got for me no wait a second hold on hold on hold on what has it got to do with being in the EU well I think it has everything to do because once somebody settles in the EU and we have open borders they then can come to the UK so it doesn't matter where they came from to start with eventually they end up over here having spent two days and two nights in the camp in calais being mugged my cameraman being mugged having my arm dislocated being tear gassed I do see that perhaps not all these gentlemen are quite as gentle as we hoped Clive have you been amongst migrants much have you been to the camp in calais have you been outside of the West End and no but no this has got to do with being near you well I think accepting the level of migrants that we're going to accept Clive is something that I don't agree with clearly you do agree with and I think we've given you a good chance to put across your points and there's lots of people here on Twitter that agreeing with you other people very sorry offering you a hanky and apologizing that you're nearly in tears you did frankly have the balls to put country before party
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who'sa Liverpool you're from Blackpool and to me and window down Derry nice what do you think about brexit go along with mage to my mentality is that deals being put in place we thought why didn't don't for brexit oh I didn't get to vote in all honesty I would've vote to remain but I think that brexit should happen unfortunately any jobs I would probably leave now I'm in favor of a second referendum but I'm not sure how I would vote in that referendum because I don't think it's fair to say you know brexit is the will of the people if the majority of the people now don't want to go through a break see the majority of people are in favor of a referendum and also obviously leave have been fans who've broken the law and so we think politicians basically use the as a ticket – it's basically the best of a bad situation could be seen as may steal but it's not it's not a great I feel like a second metal head is probably the only fair way to get it to get it sorted out today what people think because people now have a very good for you in a very good vision of what I think maybe will be and how it really initiatives there's no one really has in Monday yes when we put along the pin you can see you see who knows what people voted for what they wanted to leave exactly there are thousand different ways that we could have left the use manually yourself well I was all knocked over the first timer and I voted remain and I mainly voted remain because of the Northern Ireland border I think it's something that even considered during the initial referendum and noise the main sticking point and negotiations I am in favor of a second referendum I feel initially I wasn't but I feel no enough circumstances have changed that merits in my eyes at least another in a general election or referendum people's consents to see the problem is is the year you are going to give us yes engine with our situation changing like old mail the North's changed me I just believe that we've had the deal give it time give it a No ten years after we go and this isn't working everything's gone to crap we need to we need to need to go back here my problem with it is you're saying you know the people voted for it but the people voted for the Tory government in 2015 and they still got another vote two years later on a new government just because you voted for something doesn't make that bind in for the rest it's true but I do not think that we should go along with whatever people originally voted for the people in fact if I if I'm playing a football game so I make three transfers afterwards and I want to replay that game because I lost therefore is that not then unfair Brett brexit has what happened yeah we're we're in the we're back out now we also look so wink I think I don't think our international reputation yeah fair enough fair enough it's true I can't argue with that it's a very interesting idea what what point do we stop do those powerloom yeah presenters as people at what point did we just yeah folks on everything what point is public opinion just become more society what do we start being a representative democracy I don't see why hot oil a second referendum is extremely divisive but I do think that given the fact I in my opinion I think the entire referendum was done the wrong way around I think the negotiations should have happened first and then a referendum because that people know what leave actually means as opposed to hypotheticals and you're speaking from familiar experience because in the they had the Good Friday Agreement they sent a copy of the full text to every single voter and then they had the referendum whereas they sent us the copy of the total text three years after the referendum as long as no deals no deal needs to be off the table completely oh yeah will be catastrophic for the NHS now if the BMA is saying the phrase catastrophic on a term that they imported we don't usually get involved in politics yeah we're talking thousands of lives here well I mean that and that's that the other point and he trees a maze right now saying both through my deal because the country needs to move on because we've got we're all bored of brexit she's using the boredom of people which is wrong it's not as an argument here and it's not even just wrong it's stupid because if we actually leave the EU on either no deal or the deal we haven't got a trade deal so we spend the next five years negotiation an actual trade deal which means that we will still be having these same arguments five years when we have issues like the NHS housing crisis yeah homelessness poverty these one equality first-past-the-post all this needs to change and we won't be addressing that because I still be doing with brexit and then we need new trade deals of the US
Brexiteer warns Remainer MPs may STOP Brexit – ‘They say Leave voters were too STUPID’
Conservative MP John Redwood warned TalkRadio listeners that he and other Brexiteers were urging Remainer MPs to not attempt to stop Brexit at this late stage. He explained that Remainer Mps were still intent on having a second referendum, disrupting or stopping Brexit as a whole to ensure the UK remains a member of the customs union and single market. The Brexiteer MP told Julia Hartley-Brewer on her show:“This parliament has an overwhelmingly strong Remain group of MPs in it, mainly on the opposition benches but some minority on the Conservative benches as well. We had a great democratic answer and I think the people came to a very sensible decisionJohn Redwood“And if they do decide that they don’t care about the 17.4m and they wish thwart the wishes of British people.“They may find a way of stopping us leaving.“I and my colleagues are urging them not to do that, we had a great peoples vote, a great democratic answer and I think the people came to a very sensible decision.“I hate the…
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you Conservative MP John redwood Warren talc radio listeners that he and other brexit ears were urging remainer MPs to not attempt to stop Breck's at at this late stage he explained that remain MPs were still intent on having a second referendum disrupting or stopping brexit does a halt to ensure the UK remains a member of the customs union and single market Labrecque cetera MP told Julia Hartley brew on her show this Parliament has an overwhelmingly strong remain group of MPs in it mainly on the opposition benches but some minority on the conservative benches as well we had a great Democratic answer and I think the people came to a very sensible decision John redwood and if they do decide that they don't care about the 17.4 meters and they wish fought the wishes of British people they may find a way of stopping us leaving I and my colleagues are urging them not to do that we had a great peoples vote a great Democratic answer and I think the people came to a very sensible decision I hate the way some MPs Oh scorn the British people that they say leave voters got it wrong and were too stupid to understand what they were doing John redwood warned that remainer MP's may still try to stop brexit image Getty BBC I think I and other leave voters understood exactly what we were doing and we voted very clearly to leave the customs union and the single market it now begs belief that a lot of MPs are trying to get us back into the customs union and single market one of the most frequent arguments for a second referendum on brexit revolves around the belief that initially voters did not know what they voted for many remainders have argued that lies were told during the referendum campaign and therefore the British people should have a second opportunity to vote as more information has become available over the past three years brexit ears have argued against this insisting that voters were fully aware at what they were voting for and did so for a variety of reasons as the outcome of brexit is still unsure as to resume and brussels have often been caught in a stalemate many people feel a second referendum would waste more time and solve nothing in the event believe one again Teresa Mays latest loss in the House of Commons on Thursday has resulted in more confusion on what outcome brexit is likely to take however some political commentators have argued that a No Deal brexit is now more likely an outcome likely to please brexit ears
Willie Rennie, the Scottish Liberal Democrats leader, has urged SNP to support a second referendum on the terms of Brexit rather than focus it’s attention on Scottish independence. He joins Julia Hartley-Brewer’s No Nonsense Breakfast to discuss why he supports a second referendum.
why is it so important that the SNP joined the Liberal Democrats calling for this second referendum well that proclaimed to be very poor European they want to stand up for the countries placing you that but when it comes to the big opportunity the big chance the chance that's gaining momentum this sit under sense and it came to Goff defense and actually because the money was there most was in fact this big campaign so that British people to have the final say in the deal the reality it's all about Scottish independence not about brexit and and and actually if the UK does well when the UK brexit 29th of March next year that will actually it's hope by the SNP will actually be a boost to their bid to get independence in which case why would they want to stop it happening well that's exactly you've got street to the point because they're primarily interested event dependents are always husband and all these arguments that they are suddenly cool European to the core don't really wash so we got call on the moat we're saying if you really believe in unit if you want to get all these people and you're say to a pro-european you're going to have to prove it but what we don't want to do is combine the chaos of brexit I know you don't agree with that but the chaos of breaks it but the chaos of independence because we can learn lessons from brexit for independence that breaking up is hard to do so therefore I think we should send a clear message the SNP get off the fence back this deal or just shut up should we have another referendum on Scottish independence no we don't support independence we don't want a referendum on independence we want to focus on trying to get the millions of people who feel West behind in this country so you say you know you don't want a referendum on Scottish independence but chiefly because you don't agree with Scottish independence from the UK but why do you think then there should be a second referendum on the EU we had a very high turnout a clear decision yes a relatively close decision but a lot of decisions in politics are would we see for the last general election result we don't rerun that general election result until we get what we might consider to be the right answer why shouldn't there be a second referendum on the Scottish independence but there should on the EU because what can I conclude this process we decided for the panelists and not to have that to not even start process with brexit we started that we didn't know what the deal would be like when we voted it for and 2016 we don't even know no and I think there are millions of people in this country who don't want to just accept what Teresa made comes forward with do you want to have the final C on something that's probably the biggest fault in this country as fees in a generation so therefore this is a democratic way for concluding a big process there's kind of a big impact on that economy but you say we didn't know back in 2016 we don't know now well if we don't know now and to a certain extent whatever deal we get if we do get it or whether it's no deal with those checkers whether it's something else we still won't know what the outcome will be because all the people the experts making predictions well they pretty much to a man and a woman have been wrong before the UK economy and the British people have defied them repeatedly in which case we won't really know until after I mean we could argue tell you what let's do break say let's go through it in five or ten years then we'll have another referendum if people aren't happy we know enough now so we say we didn't know enough in 2016 but we do know enough now yet but once the deal is done with the European Union gambled over at weeks Lake will understand how much control we'll have over this rule book or whether Europe will just decide all of that will understand about how frictionless the trade will be we'll understand a bit of the impact on northern land well the question beyond the we had a very simple do you want to leave or remain in the EU what would the question be in your second well that would be my preference if it be the deal versus the status quo ie steam in the European Union that would be the logical position for me surely surely you could argue that we had a we had the first referendum was leave or remain people voted to leave a bio majority and if you had a second referendum on this would be the surge really because there we had a referendum in 75 where that staying or leaving that another referendum this time would be right are we gonna have the new deal or are we gonna have the deal that's on the table there's no reason to be asked the remain question is there so what you do need to do is to give people a genuine choice rather than a false choice between two options that damage the economy you need a proper option because we know what we don't what remain looks like because we're living in it well we don't know do we because because because before reality is that the EU is a constantly involving changing when we had that when we joined the European Economic Community in the early seventies and then when we had that vote in 75 what we were voting on then wasn't remotely what we have now we we we on the country we don't know what the you use going to be like in the future we've got the greatest clarity about what we live in just say and we should pitch that against the other greatest clarity option which will be the deal with the European that would be the sensible way to proceed what we try to avoid here is actually an economic damage to our country we're trying to make sure we protect jobs and opportunities I think this is the least that we can do on one of the biggest faults for an awful long time in this country we cannot just blindly go into what to easily gives us and there's false choice between something or do you I mean she's trying to soften us up to believe that the checkers deal is better than there's no deal say she trying to ski lesson so you think New Deal is better than checkers so we're in agreement on thing really I think you'd and that's why I want a pitch against what we have just know because I know what's about the and I would say one of the things that would be better than your people's vote losers vote or whatever it's called do you know anyone do you know anyone on the winning side of the referendum who's in favor of a second Reverend loses loses that's a big fool okay okay we're gonna go back to basics Willie really okay is 52 a bigger or smaller number than 48 you know tests on the radio is 52 a smaller or a bigger number than 48 did you win or lose the referendum Willie do you know okay right so let's say this is the thing okay do you not think that whatever damage you think there may or may not be to the economy I personally don't believe there will be I don't think anything paying out so suggests they will even if there is the British people were warned about that but I pretty much every member of the establishment the IMF the the IFS the Ethiopia everyone with an everyone with with just the initials in their title told us that basically we'd be facing economic collapse and you know what 52 percent of the country still voted for something which they felt was important for the our democracy do you not think that the message that would go out to British voters that well you didn't vote the right way we're gonna have to ask you to do this again do you not think that will be more damaging than anything else to our country no because there's not politicians overcoming it's the British people to save it I can't possibly in the Scottish Parliament and neither can my colleagues in the Westminster Parliament also rule the British people that can never be done but what can be done is we can put it back and say now that you've seen the detail do you want to have that see do you want to say often they want to sign off I'll reluctantly accept it but what we cannot do is it plainly go into what the reason he comes up with because that would be bad for that but you wouldn't you would accept it cuz my worry is you know okay best of three well all right now we'll go for best of five and we're just gonna keep having referendum after a referendum until the British people vote in your way in your idea the right you mean you've been you have been ridiculous no I think what's really important is it because serious politics this is about democracy serious yes I think I think I think that respecting the outcome of a well the biggest democratic vote in Britain's history I think that's quite serious – of course it is and that's why we should put it back to them so that they can be absolutely sure that this massive change this massive departure for my friends and unit is actually got the proper endorsement I don't want to take your time for people to see if only we could have signed this or because they never would be sure that this is definitely what we wanted to do now that we've seen the detail was seen the relationship with Ireland with steam the issues and the impact on trade and opportunity and services we've seen all of that and we can confidently go forward otherwise I think this will be a sword in the side of the United Kingdom for many years to come
Anand Menon, The UK in a Changing Europe
Tim Bale, Queen Mary, University of London
Liz Kendall MP
Iain Dale, LBC radio
Pippa Crerar, Daily Mirror (chair)
hello you're all ready for your next panel we're going to be talking about brexit and the new party politics I've been I'm Peppa Carrera I'm political editor of The Daily Mirror and I've been rushing around my head office today party con our news conference and then down to Westminster to see what was going on there what happened at cabinet and this is all anyone's talking about so it's obviously a quite an impact already it's a delay to get my hands on a proper copy of it so if I can introduce you to your panel for this event starting off on the far right oh that's a terrible way to introduce someone isn't it sorry and starting off on my fight I was Professor timbale from Queen Mary University of London and Tim's going to be at least what his slide shows along with it it slide show along with him he's going to be reflecting on his findings from his party members project on the current state of the parties in Britain and their views on brexit and then be followed by Anand who you obviously know well who is going to be reflecting on the current state of play in Parliament hope he'll be able to provide us with some answers because nobody else currently can and then we'll be going to Liz Kendal Labour MP for Lester who was a prominent of romina and she's going to be giving her view on the prospects of a further referendum and the way forward on brexit for the Labour Party again we're looking forward to hearing some of those answers and we're going to be then summing up with iandale LBC presenter who voted leave and who's going to provide us some analysis and comment on brexit and british politics with a particular focus on the Conservative Party so I'm going to ask each the panel to open up with us at five minutes statement I'll start lobbing sweets at them if they go over that and then so I've got a good supply of sweet Sierra so that's fine and then we're going to come to you for questions I think these things often work best if you get the chance to ask what you want too rather than listening to me drone on so I'll start please with Tim I think you've got all the equipment you need there Tim brilliant thanks okay right I will spend hopefully five minutes just outlining some of the sort of headline findings some research that we carried out with the help of YouGov into the views of labour and conservative members just before Christmas which were reported fairly extensively but some of you may not have seen them so hopefully this will be familiar to some of you in the new year now we often think of the members of the two tribes as chalk and cheese but I want to actually suggest to you that that isn't going far enough the gap between Conservative Party members and Labour Party members on brexit if for nothing else but actually it is on all sorts of other things is extremely wide these days and I want to take you through a few examples of that but I want to start by saying well they are agreed on one thing will almost agreed on one thing and that is brexit is the most important issue facing the UK some 61% of labour members told us that that was the case and some 75 percent of Conservative Party members told us that was the case and that may tell you that conservative party members are even more obsessed with brexit than our labour party members because actually that figure for labour party members is also about the same as you get when you ask the general public so it is nonetheless interesting that given labour members didn't really get into politics to talk about to think about brexit you know they're much more about the NHS about the economy etc etc that nearly 2/3 of them think that it's the most important issue facing Britain today is I think very revealing and it says a lot about how brexit has in some ways kind of blotted out the Sun really in British politics over the last two and a half years if you look at the ways that they voted or at least they said they vote it told us they voted back in 2016 you can also see the massive divide I was talking about at the beginning some 83 percent of labour members so they voted remain some 73 percent of Tory members they voted leave now it's interesting in some ways that you you might almost expect that to be perhaps the other way around those two numbers to be reversed but we have to remember of course that during the 2016 referendum campaign the leader of the Conservative Party was telling the country and conservative voters and his own members that they ought to be voting remain so it's not entirely surprising that you know at least a quarter of conservative party members actually he did their leaders wishes on on that one there hasn't been any change really as far as the members of their political parties are concerned about the decision that we made and back then you saw some of them these questions actually brought up in John Curtis ISM presentation so 89 percent of labour members think that the country made a mistake by voting to leave in 2016 and 79 percent of conservative members think they got it right so there's this gap it's getting wider as we go what about the idea of other people's votes we actually called it another referendum from memory we didn't call it the people's vote and I John was was saying this morning how important the wording is on these questions well it depends on which people you ask if you ask labour members then 79 percent of them support a second referendum and slightly less than that but nearly that like Jeremy Corbyn to endorse a second referendum some chance you may say but 82 percent of Conservative Party members are opposed to the idea of a second referendum I can't think why on a three-way referendum which we offered them a kind of hypothetical three-way referendum and we asked them what their first preference would be in this three-way referendum those are results you get so again quite a big gap but it's quite interesting actually that although Theresa Mays deal clearly isn't as popular among conservative party members there's no deal at all and in fact conservative party members are very if not alarmingly to some people sanguine about the prospects and the consequences of No Deal it's not entirely surprising once again that given it is their party leader and their prime minister who has come up with this deal that more of them will be supportive of it than perhaps their kind of ideology might expect one to to think but you can see there that labor members are still overwhelmingly Pro remain in that second referendum idea we also asked people how they would feel to get a sort of emotional response from them if we were to hold another referendum and to vote to remain in the EU and here you really can see this extreme polarization you have the Labour members at the top large numbers of them feeling delighted they say and if you look at the Conservative Party members an almost equal number of them saying that they would feel betrayed by that which is a very very strong statement in some way betrayal is a very strong statement and if oh if you go the other way round and say what if we ended up leaving the European Union without any deal it's not quite the same but you can see that Labour Party members the predominant feeling is angry rather than betrayed I'm not quite sure which is worse I'm not entirely sure that this is necessarily a kind of linear scale but anyway it's a angry and betrayed are the dominant ones for labour and you can see that for the Conservatives well delight it doesn't win quite as many votes as it were as you would think but delighted pleased and relieved are clearly far ahead of what we see in the other parties now the question then is does all this matter and I would argue that it does because party members constitute not only the kind of boots on the ground in any election and maybe in any referendum campaign but they also of course in some ways constitute or help constitute the center of gravity for any political party in this country and they also represent in some ways a constraint on the leaders of political parties it is not always possible for leaders to and indeed parties as a whole to respond to the wishes of voters when they know that the wishes the desires the preferences as their own party members are not lined up with those of voters and if parties find it difficult to respond to voters that does mean of course that there can open up a gap between what the electorate or what various sections of the electorate want and what the party that they might otherwise or traditionally prefer once and in that situation you can at least theoretically anyway get a realignment of the party system and that's something that we might go into a little bit later thank you thanks pepper I'm just gonna essentially build on what Tim just did and talk a little there at the divisions in the parties and the first interesting thing to come through what Tim says are these interesting divergences that we're seeing between MPs members and party voters which is causing some party management problems you see this in the case of the Conservative Party where it's striking to note that significantly more conservative voters 46% of them support Teresa Mays deal than either members or it's only 38% or MPs judging from the vote in Parliament that we had last week so voters are far less critical but what you have is this membership which as tim has portrayed is quite extreme in many ways having a disproportionate influence over the MPs who represent them so I was talking to Tory MP last week who is saying the only thing I've got in my inbox at the moment our email saying we should just sodding leave we don't need a deal we should just leave and so those those Tory MPs are finding it very very hard to resist pressure from their grassroots activists and the polling of MPs that we've done recently shows some worrying trends so for instance 35 percent of Conservative MPs the problems over the Irish back stop aren't real and are being exaggerated deliberately by the European Union as a negotiating tactic to be interesting to see what the European Commission's statement today about a hard border whether that has any impact on that and of course on the other side of the aisle labour has exactly the same problems labor as we all know is desperately struggling with the need to reconcile its leave and remain voters I thought George Freeman in the House of Commons yesterday summed it up brilliantly where he said labor policy on brexit is absolutely crystal clear therefore brexit in the north are against it in the south but it's a genuine problem that the leadership faces is having to straddle the most leave and the most remain constituency its constituencies in the country and the problem for voters I mean the public opinion on the voters indicates that they are becoming increasingly exasperated with what they see as a totally ambiguous labor policy stance on brexit whereas Labour Party members by two-to-one express their approval of jeremy corbyn's strategy so let's not kid ourselves at both parties face really really difficult tasks of managing their own MPs members and voters and of course within parliaments itself there are increasingly bitter divisions over brexit within the two parties what I would say though is perhaps the most striking thing I've seen in Parliament of late is how quickly traditional tribalism reasserts itself there have been two instances recently when the Rao broke out with the speaker just before Christmas and with the confidence vote last week if you look at the Labour benches the sheer relish with which Anna Sabri spoke and found herself being cheered by her own benches which is a rarity these days for me was a testament to the stic ability of those traditional party loyalty instincts equally if you look at the the brexit position adopted by Jeremy Corbyn and his team and you look at the detail of that position and compare it with the detail of Theresa Mays plan and particularly what that plan looks like once the backstop is triggered it becomes increasingly apparent that the real reason for opposition to Theresa most plan is not because of the plan itself but because it's a Tory play this is factional politics the the actual substantive difference between what labor are proposing insofar as I get what they're saying on the single market and what the Tories have secured is nowhere near big enough to merit the kind of bitter attacks on it that the labor front bencher launching this is about tribal politics once again so I think it's too soon to write off traditional politics or traditional party bonds but I would caution one thing which is that I suspect the real problem for the parties might welcome when he says brexit is no longer the dominant issue of our time because alongside these divisions over brexit ly real substantive differences over policy and here I think that the problem the parties face is that neither of them following the last election is entirely sure who they're for anymore so to give you a very interesting example is the Tory electoral priority to hang on to Mansfield or to wingback kensington and depending on your answer to that question it can you come up with a very very different set of policy prescriptions to attract the electors you're after but being no doubt within both parties there are schisms over traditional electoral policy as I said in the last panel talking to Adam it hardly needs to be said that people on the right of the Labour Party do not share John MacDonald's view about the optimal way of managing a national economy equally in the Conservative Party I remember being at a fringe event at the Conservative Party conference this year where a furious Rao broke out because everyone in the room was with a brexit voter but a furious rout broke out because a Tory MP said obviously when we leave the European Union we will cut all tariffs to 0 we will slash subsidies to agriculture will have cheap food and another Tory MP on the panel said are you bleeding mad I'm in a rural constituency I will never win another election so let's not kid ourselves that brexit is the only problem confronting the parties and I suspect that when Breck's it's gone the real depth the substantive issues are going to come back to haunt us so we have rocky days ahead in terms of managing these two big beer moths of our politics yes extremely rocky days ahead I'm the Member of Parliament for Leicester West and for those of you who don't know Leicester as a whole was the only place in the East Midlands the only place that voted remain but that was by only 2,000 votes and my seat predominantly white working class voted leave as did Keith has his seat which is 80% vme predominantly Asian I was Labour's EU champion in the East Midlands another one of my massively successful campaigns we did get thank goodness thanks Ian and I was listening to the SEC session earlier with Adam Bolton and this isn't just with hindsight I knew we were were leaving because honestly nobody I spoke to you outside of London wanted to remain there they all wear out and there are many different reasons for this but I will never forget a guy in Corby High Street saying to me excuse my language but I'm out love how can it get more than this that was an it was an expression of a desire for change and I'll come on to one of the great many failings of the last couple of years which is the complete lack of discussion about providing real answers to why people voted leave which I think has been a huge mistake but I wanted to make two observations about the short-term reasons about why we've got to where we've got to and then three comments about brexit and the new politics the reason I want to make these observations about how we've got to where we are is not to go over old ground but I think it provides two important lessons for where we in terms of parliamentarians and politicians where we go next and firstly I think we were always going to get to this terrible impasse because to my mind brexit has never really been a negotiation it's been a choice a choice between remaining as if you're going to do brexit a choice between remaining as close to the EU as possible in order to protect the economy protect jobs and avoid a hard border in Northern Ireland but give up your say over the rules if you're leaving that's for the first choice or breaking completely free with the risks short-term certainly possibly longer term but short-term risks and disruption that would cause and a hard border in Ireland but then having as an individual Kay a country to say over your the rules of how you govern your life and I think it is the failure to be honest about that choice that has led which I think has been exposed by the Prime Minister's withdrawal agreement but has also led us to this huge log jam and I think being clear about those choices will be very important in the months and weeks ahead for both party leaders secondly I think the reason we are in this log jam is because obviously the Prime Minister immediately with her red lines on leaving the single market and customs union very explicitly sided with the kind of ERG part of her party she then went to the country she lost her majority and then she couldn't get through what she promised either with Europe or because of the more remain or soft brexit ears in in her cabinet and what I've seen over the past few years is that the Tory remainders have become much more emboldened because they are fed up with the ERG always winning but what this all tells me is you don't deal with people who are in a different place to you by trying to appease because they always want more and more and more and more you deal with a problem or a group you believe differently by taking the argument head-on and as somebody who has come to the view that we need to put whatever deal is agreed back to the British people because we have to be honest about the choices we're facing and we have to take head-on the arguments in a way that we did not do during the last referendum campaign those two lessons I think are very important my three observations about brexit in the and the new party politics or new politics as the title of this session is firstly I mean I have seen a huge difference in terms of the willingness of people to work across parties in trying to get us out of this this mess whether people are working together on trying to secure another vote or to stop no deal or to try and extend the article 50 or do Norway plus there is that willingness to work across the party divide and that isn't just because it's a minority government that people have different views with their own leadership but I think because many of the politicians are starting to see what they may have in common which is a belief which is something very fundamental about how we see Britain and our role in the world do we see ourselves as a country that is better off as part of a group of like-minded European countries who believe in fruit free trade but fair trade underpinned by strong rules and standards or do we think we are better to kind of go it alone I mean those are the real issues underlying why people are willing to work I believe across party divides what is far less clear and I think where there is really no agreement and as Anand said different views within the parties is about what would it really take to tackle the root causes of why people voted to leave huge sense of loss in former industrial towns and in rural areas where people feel left out and left behind or whichever way you describe it I think there are fundamentally different views between them within the parties about how those issues addressed going forward and finally in terms of the you know the new politics where we would desperately need it is if we ever did get to another vote because I think a a type of politics which believes you can bludgeon other people into believing what you think simply by shouting louder will not work and we have not had anywhere near enough discussion about if we were to succeed and get another vote how we would do it differently with different people different voices and making a strong and positive case for why we should remain but also what we need to do to reform this country so it works from everybody but particularly those who voted out thank you I know as you said what we have to do to persuade people to vote remain rather than on the Deal or No Deal there I thought was very indicative um there are two big questions of our time first of all why is Chris Grayling still transport secretary and second and secondly why aren't the Liberal Democrats doing better I'm going to talk about the Conservatives but I do to find this fascinating that when the Liberal Democrats to my mind ought to be at least 20 25 percent in the polls because if there is such a demand for another referendum as Liz thinks there is why aren't people well there isn't well there is okay I I don't understand why the Liberal Democrats are three but it can't be just down to the fact that Vince Cable has been the dullest political leader in decades and so I think that is something that those who wishes to remain in the EU ought to think about the second thing that I think everyone ought to think about regardless of how they've in the referendum is what will those 3 million people that are identified at how many of you saw the channel 4 brexit film those 3 million people who hadn't taken part in democracy at all during their lives whether they were 20 whether they were 50 or 70 and the leave campaign identified who those people were and that was to meet to my mind a large reason why they won what are they going to think if their vote is effectively nullified and they're asked to vote again will they ever take part in democracy again now you might think well that's just he voted leave so he would think that would he wouldn't he well if I tell you that when I do phonons on the radio and I'm not pretending that a phone-in audience is representative of the country but I do get ordinary people phoning in so on both sides of the political divide telling me about their frustrations and the main frustration at the moment is they think they will be ignored they will feel betrayed in the word that Tim used in that question so I think that's something that anybody who has the health of democracy at how ought to really be thinking about and it's in part because Parliament no longer represents the people on brexit we have a representative Parliament we don't have a mandatory Parliament but when you have 450 MPs that voted remain and 200 who voted lead you can see there's a disconnect I do a weekly column for the eastern Daily Press and in Norfolk and Suffolk there are 16 MPs very-very Lee voting area apart from Norwich two of them voted leave so there's an immediate disconnect there between the people and their elected representatives and people really are beginning to feel that going on to the Conservative Party as Tim said 75 percent of conservative members voted to leave if this survey had been carried out in 1985 when Margaret Thatcher was at the height of her powers that figure would have been reversed in fact I doubt whether 25 percent would have voted to leave most of us in those days were very Pro common market as it was then I can remember when I was a student at the University of East Anglia at that time one of the most left-wing universities in the country doing a debate in the 1983 general election campaign with Marx Seddon who some of you will know former editor of Tribune sort of very much on the Corbin left whose Labor Party policy then some sure liz is too young to remember to come out of the year and I was putting the case for staying in the EU at that time and you think well why have things changed and I think it is largely because of the frustration it's partly but the frustration with Brussels and I heard the last part of what somebody asked Adam Bolton about that but there has been huge frustration where it's seen as a remote organization and more but as Liz says there were many other reasons why people voted to leave it wasn't all based on the European issue but until the Conservative Party manages to understand all of the reasons why people voted to remain it's going to really have a challenge almost regardless of whether we leave on the 29th of March or not now whether we leave on the 29th of March or not I think he's going to determine the conservative parties at four electoral fortunes and I think there are irreconcilable zhan both sides of this debate in both parties you have the sort of Jacob Riis Mach wing and then you have the an achiever wing now I detect and I may be completely wrong in this but I detect a slight softening of the ERG now I think they are starting to work out a bit late it has to be said and I got into terrible trouble on Sunday for an article that I wrote for the Mail on Sunday calling them out on this that they need to be careful what they wish for if they continue to be so vehemently opposed to all aspects of tweezer Mays deal we will not leave on the 29th of March and they need to look themselves in the mirror and think about how they've betrayed those 3 million people if that comes to pass because it will be largely their fault but you've got Nadine Doris who up to now has been absolutely resolute in opposing the deal she's now weakening you have various other people and saying that they might vote for it to impeach you even have the DUP offering some softer words and if we do leave on the 29th the March Theresa May becomes redundant she I believe that she would leave office resign as Prime Minister within a couple of weeks of that happening because the conservative parliamentary party will see that she's served her purpose which it may be a cruel phrase to use but then the fun really starts because you've got probably 20 lead contender's actually identified 38 at one point and the delusions of some people who think that they could be leader of the Conservative Party I'd love to tell you the ones I think don't stand a chance but you can probably work it out for yourself and and it seems to me that there are probably only four or five serious contenders amber Rudd actually in normal times I think would be a very serious contender but I can't see how after having a prime minister who a lot of people think is sort of betrayed brexit if I can use that word I can't see how you can have an ultra Manor taking over at that point so I suspect it would be a brexit ear Wendy Boris people don't understand how this system works Boris will not get the support of his fellow MPs because they've worked with him they know him and he might be able to find the collective g-spot of the members but but the MPs do not rate him they don't trust him they don't like him so but it's possible you might find that the final two that go to the members are actually both people who voted remain I can see it being Jeremy Hunt and amber Rudd because of the makeup of the parliamentary party and that for the members would be an absolute disaster and that's when you get a real revolt in the Conservative Party our panel is obviously giving us great food for thought we're going to come to you and ask a few questions at a time there roving microphones but while you think about what your questions might be I'll ask a couple of quick ones whoever has the microphones who has microphones yeah if you could sort of head in the direction of people other hands up why all I ask Tim I was just wondering whether you could give us any cause for cheer because much of this the brexit discussion is about divides divides in party divides amongst voters and I certainly think that a lot of people fear that post brexit if there is a post brexit whatever breaks it ends up looking like and those schisms will endure is there anything that you can tell us that might give us a bit more cause for optimism well I'm not sure I can give you cause for optimism but I mean I will hopefully give you food for thought I mean I think and several other people have referred to this during the day that we can fall prey to the idea that brexit will now always and forever be the dominant political cleavage not split in society in this country and I I'm not sure I know and I'm not sure anybody knows actually whether that will be the case there is a lot of evidence to suggest that it is increasingly kind of constitutive of people's political identities and it's overriding you know their you know their class identity or you know maybe even their ethnic identity or their kind of parties an identity or their you know preferences on on left and right I'm not so sure that we can we can take that as red actually I mean I think it could be that they will gradually kind of feed into each other all those streams and and that makes politics after brexit I think slightly less predictable and then some people think but it also of course depends on what the parties themselves do and if we think about you know the possible sort of realignment of British politics it's easy to say that you know the strains in the system at the moment due to brexit are such that the the party system that we have you know simply cannot cope with those strains and that it must therefore break apart and there will be some alternatives come online again I'm not so sure that is the case because parties are famously adaptable and not every new cleavage that comes along necessarily gives rise to to a new party or some kind of alternative or some kind of break up of the party system and and if you look at what's happening to labour and you look at what's happening to the Conservative Party although clearly there are strains and there are splits within both of those organisations actually you know we could be seeing a sort of sorting whereby labour becomes basically the kind of anti brexit party or the party if you want to put it more positively I've sort of openness to the world tolerance etc etc and the Conservatives become you know more socially authoritarian if you like and holistic party and that in fact the kind of divides that we see will will sort themselves out quite conveniently in inter party identities so I'm not sure that's an optimistic take unless of course you are in some ways a manager of the Conservative Party or a manager of the Labour Party and you fear some kind of split I don't necessarily you know see that those splits will occur they could but I don't think it's inevitable by any stretch and about the difficulties facing Parliament MPs at the moment this is very much topical question because of course MPs are tabling amendments just now for the vote next Tuesday and do you think the party leadership both main party leadership's are boxed in by their own parties be that MPs or members and it was anyway with them being able to break that break through that stalemate yeah I think that's been the story so far isn't it the Theresa main particular has been boxed in not least because if she taxed one way she'll lose votes the other way so you know if she tact towards that direction of a customs union or something to do with the single market then she might lose some of her own MPs my own personal view isn't again going back to the conversation I had with Adam is that Yvette Cooper's amendment is massively helpful to the prime minister because if it passes it puts the fear of God into the brexit since that is to say what effect Cooper's amendment does is it says if we haven't agreed this deal by a certain days of the 26th of Feb 10 we will apply for an extension to the European Union I should say in parentheses I'm not sure the European Union would give us an extension till December if the excuses we want to continue chatting in Parliament I think they'd like something more substantive than that but it does seem to me that if that amendment passes then those people like Nadine Doris and the people in the European research group really will have a choice to make you'll notice that Jacob Riis buggered his piece over the weekend said and I mean it's a bizarre world that people have to say this ne counts as a as a revelation I would rather Teresa Mays deal than remain okay if that is the case I think it pushes some on that fly her party towards supporting the deal where she gets the rest of the votes from I don't know but I thought yesterday was quite interesting her plan I mean she was definitely trying to sort of wink applied when she was talking about involving the divorce I say plied because I don't think anyone in Scotland believes her anymore so I'm not sure she's gonna have much luck well alright okay but I think that was the effort and I think obviously she was trying to appeal to some of the Labour Party winner bulls by talking about rights but I think that is her strategy to peel off a few people on the margins from the opposition and hope that enough people on the brexit wing of her own party come around I can see I mean I can see it plausible II I'm not saying it's going to happen I'm not even saying it's the most likely outcome that she loses by less next week goes back to Brussels get token concessions in that sort of interpretive letter way that the Danes got over my straight comes back the DUP will say oh wow the Prime Minister has solved the back stop which would be a lie but hey who cares and swinging a swinging line on it so I think it is conceivable still that this deal goes through though obviously the number 230 makes it a lot more difficult than I thought it would have been before the vote last week the DUP are absolutely crucial here because if the DUP fall into line you can bet your bottom dollar that a lot of the Tory rebels well as I say there will be some irreconcilable I would say John redwood is one and there's probably up to a dozen others so it depends you're right on how many she can peel off elsewhere to compensate for those and this was absolutely number 10 strategy before Christmas people I was talking to there said that if we get the DUP we think that the hard miss hard-line Tory breaks tears are following but listen if I can just turn to the Labour Party briefly now there's been a lot of them different spins put overnight on the Labour Party's a memory which it had tabled by the fact that it it had confirmed that the parties got to the third and final stage of its bricks at policy which I'm sure you all know but basically meant that there's two options left on the table one is labourers you wouldn't like me describing it as a Norway plus style plan but that's effectively what it is and the other is a second referendum lots of people's vote supporters David Lammy cheering from the rafters saying this is an indication that Jeremy Corbyn is pushing closer to a second referendum lots of other people saying actually it's not including in the shadow cabinet what's your interpretation well I hope I hope it is because the clock is running down and we need to provide leadership for the country and be very clear as I said and I sort of interrupted in earlier when he said Liz seems to think everybody wants another referendum you know believe you me I don't I'm very aware of the risks and the challenges of it but I think it is an honest option to put the real choice between people I know where I would stand and what I would campaign for but I cannot see what is wrong with putting now that we know what brexit really looks like giving it to people not just because I think actually it may be the only way to get out of the deadlock because I'm not sure Parliament will agree but because I think it's right in principle that we get the people's choice about where we go next because actually I think brexit whatever happens is going to be the defining issue for the rest of my political lifetime whatever happens if I come back to the point you said there about you know we just get the withdrawal agreement through once that happens may will go it will be somebody else and that person will define our future political relationship we are still being asked to make a leap into the dark so that is why I do not believe that she will get labor people over to back her deal and why I think ultimately you may well see the sort of Norway plus and people's vote people coming together to say well this is an option that should be put to people I think those that grouping of people within Parliament may be the key to getting a solution that is right for the country and has some sort of democratic underpinning this collapse my hope can I just ask you a couple of just two things it's out of interest I mean one it strikes me as weird that one of the bitterest fights going on in Parliament at the moment is the fight between the second referendum crowd and the EEA crowd because they should be allies and actually it is at the sight of those two tearing strips off each other is weird and I do wonder whether and both sides will regret it whatever happens I mean either we have a referendum in which case even you need those people out campaigning or we leave in which case a lot of the people wanting a referendum will probably go for ei but the second question is what's your answer – Ian about those 3 million people I mean how isn't that a genuine fear that actually a lot of those people will just not listen ever again so to your first which is more of an assertion than a question I agree I have not myself gone down that road I think that we are broadly in the same you know I have my differences in opinion but ultimately if we were to get another vote as you say we'd need those we have need their support and equally you know if I don't get what I think is right for the country I do not intend to you know back a deal that I think's bad and if you know as close to the EU as possible in the single market in the customs union is better than leaving with No Deal on the second point I am acutely aware particularly in my own constituency of I mean I know you the streets and the estates where the turnout was better than anything we'd ever seen before and people came to vote and I do believe there is a risk there that people will feel that their views have been ignored but I have to make the case for what brexit really means and the fact that one of those people who said they'd never voted before and she did it because she wanted to get you know both of her kids into the same school and that's why she wanted to leave the EU I said to her then that is not the rete that you is not the reason why you can't get your kids into this school and I can't go back and just lie and say oh well yes it was I can't so it is tough in politics but you have to argue for what for the real solutions to the very real anger that people have not just think it's a bit too difficult I'm gonna pack up and go home thanks miss oh and just a quick question for Ian and then we'll come to you about half an hour left so thanks the question so lose a time and thank you for being so patient in this actually articularly talked about this about why people vote is leaving the first place and the recognition amongst the party leadership's both party leader in party leadership's about why that had happened and the need really to address that before you even can move on as a country now Jeremy Corbyn whether you like him or not it's politician in my mind that articulated that best but you saw at a party conference of both the Prime Minister and the Chancellor both talking about the reasons why people voted brexit in the first place are needing to look at those sort of structural inequalities that exist in the country do you think that the Conservative Party really gets the importance of that I do actually I think if the Prime Minister had stuck to the words that she used on the steps of Dottie Street when she first became Prime Minister we wouldn't be having this conversation but unfortunately brexit has trumped every other policy initiative and nothing else really matters for the next few months and that the test will be what happens after that and if the Conservative Party doesn't get that then they will lose whenever the next election is I don't agree with you that Jeremy Corbyn has articulated anything like the message that ariza made it on the steps of Downing Street I think a lot of the people that are suspicious of all politicians motives they're certainly suspicious of his motives and I think this week I know it's possibly a cheap political point that some conservative MPs have made but I do think it's driven home that when he refused to meet the Prime Minister people thought well you'll meet with Hamas you will you'll meet with Hezbollah without any preconditions whatsoever and whatever the rights and wrongs of that are to not meet your own prime minister when you lead it of the opposition and you're invited to I think has told a lot of people or they need to know well I knew there be a few people want to respond to that but I promise it's your turn next so if you put your hands up you want to ask a question there's a couple of gentlemen here one is sort of like the pinky red shirt or one in the blue jacket they're both had their hands off from the start and if we could also come to the the woman sitting on the aisle at the white jumper if I could ask you to say your name and where you're from please and we'll do three questions at once and then come to the panel and we'll go back for the next round after that so my name is Otto I live in Bromley the question is will the UK asked the European Council to extend the period before the treaties since ceased to apply to the UK if not why not well you mean extend article 50 no I'm talk about the treaties at EU I mean do you it was approved by the UK Parliament in 2008 and by all 28 countries and first our December 2009 those treaties can be extended in the Lisbon Treaty Lisbon Treaty I'm sorry it was old he said you know okay thank you and gentlemen next Tim Thank You Michael Freeman Essex University I'd like to question a little bit the premise of this panel about new party politics in the last general election the two major parties got a larger share of the vote than those two parties had caught for a long time and the current polls show that if there were an election in the near future the result would be quite similar so the party system brexit aside and that's a big thing to put aside seems to be the short run at least very stable would you like to comment on that thank you and then I mean in the white well I think my question slightly related I'm sorry I seem to have the microphone a lot this afternoon recently I heard Caroline Lucas explain to us that in the last general election 68 percent of votes had no bearing at all on the result and to address the in Dale's comments about the three million I think it's very relevant obviously needs to be looked at but if you are judging things by channel 4 drama the way that those three million were galvanized was with a lot of lies propaganda and inflammatory stuff I can see the lips moving they're going to get come back I think it's also behavin behoves the political class to have a look at how ordinary voters who do turn out to vote regularly don't find that their vote counts which is possibly why there was such a shout waiting to be let rip when we were given a chance to vote in the referendum oh it's your name I miss doing that sorry it's Milly and I come from Gloucestershire okay thank you okay so if we go to those questions first and then can I ask you to start on the Lisbon Treaty and why I don't know if there is a provision like that in I haven't read your thing yet so okay well i don't though there's been treaty either so can we talk afterwards because otherwise this is gonna take up the rest of the half-hour is that a deal german up say something bout the other two i just want to say about first-past-the-post i think that did have a relevance in the referendum i mean one of the messages of the leave campaign that I think resonated most strongly was the message that you finally have a vote that counts and I think you know for those you keep voters four million of them in 2015 who got one MP that really resonated actually it points to one of the one of the fantastic ironies of the referendum that isn't talked about enough that Matthew Elliot was of course in charge of vote leave Matthew Elliot had been in charge of the no to AV campaign during which he defended our electoral system only five years later to come back and exploit all the frustration that exists in this country with it brilliantly I have to say to get those people who would stop voting because they didn't think their vote counted to come out and realize that he counted in this election this referendum on the point about two parties got 80% of the vote that was last time that happened to us 1970 can't remember and it would be likely to happen again is obviously true but I think if I can just put it this way both parties are very stretched and my view is the party that can hold their broad coalition together that does not seek to choose between Mansfield and Kensington sets out a vision of a country where everybody can have the things in life that they want and need and love will be the party that wins and I think parties that one of the things I've seen in politics is we are becoming very you know champion in that the idea that the way you win things is by digging down and digging in and only mobilizing your base rather than seeking to reach out and understand not so that you change your mind but you try if and where possible to find common ground you know I think that that is the wrong way to do politics and I think it's wrong for their country so those would be my comments on that and on the point about I mean I've long been in favor of changing a voting system I voted yes to AV again another election didn't do so well in and for whatever the methods that were used and I understand your worries about them let let me say that they the leave campaign tapped into a desire for change for many different reasons and they held up answers something or someone to blame and if you're a progressive politician I believe you should offer real solutions not something or someone to blame but we are not doing anywhere near enough in my view in my part of the political world to do that effectively and we need to put our own hair house in order first Tim on the question about the party system and the extent to which it is or isn't stable I mean I think these tectonic shifts as it were in in party systems can occur pretty quickly actually sometimes and I mean let's let's take the liberals who won a huge victory 1905 936 less than 20 years later they were dead in the water replaced by a party that was hardly even founded when that landslide occurred so we need to be very careful not to write off the idea of change though I you know Express the degree of skepticism about it myself I mean I think it's slightly depends obviously on what happens if we don't get brexit then as Ian says there are going to be a lot of conservative members and a lot of conservative supporters who are quite frankly going to feel betrayed angry whatever you want to call it and maybe looking for a new political home if we do get brexit and Jeremy Corbyn is seen by some of his members and some of his supporters to a facilitated or enabled that brexit by effectively colluding in it with Theresa May then there may be a lot of people on that side of the the party divide who are looking for a new home and who knows where that might be it might to bring up something that Ian said it could be the Liberal Democrats if they manage to replace Vince Cable with a rather more convincing or at least dynamic leader you know we shouldn't write that off as far as you know what might replace the Conservatives well who knows it could be some kind of you Kip 2.0 I thought we could do you Kip anymore might be led by Nigel for us might not be led by Nigel Faraj um but even then you can say well that that's that's you know that's quite feasible thinking about that but then if we if we if we do get a party on the radical right and say we still get a party on the radical right even though we've Breck's is it if we brexit we won't have European Parliament elections anymore and those European Parliament elections have been incredibly important for the rise of smaller parties like you Kip and and the Greens so without those the electoral system going back to your point is going to you know even more effectively crucify small parties so you know we are in a position where despite my skepticism about the idea that you know the the Tories are going to do a call or split or you know Labour's necessarily going to face of a mass walkout by by former Blair rights you know it is possible I wouldn't I wouldn't say that things are as stable as they look I think sometimes you know the party systems are a bit like the proverbial swamp you know they're going along quite smoothly but actually under under the water there's a heck of a lot more going on which could and this is flogging the Swan allows you to far you know see it capsized questions in the end political parties are very tribal and we saw that someone said I remember here it was this week when a super II had a real curve the speaker and all the Tories rode in behind her and and it take it takes a lot for someone to leave a tribe we saw it happened in the 1980s we all know what happened to the to the SDP and I do think Lizzie I mean I agreed word for word with the first half of Liz's answer there I think we have got to a stage where divisive trumpian language is being used both on the left and the right but in the end successful political parties are coalition's and if you remember John Carlile very right-wing MP in the Thatcher era he could happily coexist in the same party as people like Ken Clark you had Jeremy Corbyn coexisting in the same party as Tony Blair for all of those years and Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan and Tony Blair and Bill Clinton they won they were so successful because they created these big ten coalition's they could appeal to the other side and we seem to have lost that in our politics now where it's almost seen as a badge of honor when you're a political leader I'm gonna say like Jeremy Corbyn who's quite happy to appeal to his base can't quite see the relevance of getting someone like Liz onside which to most of us it's actually if you if you if you're wondering about voting labour I would say it's people like Liz that will probably swing the balance in your favor of doing so and on the electoral system there is no perfect electoral system we did have that referendum and I think that wasn't one where we needed a second vote it was quite clear what the people thought 70/30 and I would be quite happy to have enough another referendum on full PR because I suspect that would be 8020 people understand first-past-the-post with all its imperfections and I don't buy this the thing that Caroline Lucas keeps trotting out saying that well 68% of votes didn't every every single vote has an effect it's just the in a see that you don't win you don't like it when those votes didn't vote for the winner it's kind of this idea that every time you lose you either have to change the system or have another referendum and you all wouldn't get clap for that [Laughter] two more rounds for questions if everyone keeps them quite tight I think instead he'd have a chat with you afterwards that's okay so we don't understand the question okay I think I think I wouldn't expect the panel at this moment to get into the minute I of article 50 and and is an expert in it and and I think he'll be the best place to talk to you after so um if I very easily there's three people in a row sitting here cheering brilliant so if you keep good at seeing you are and keep your questions concise at least a little panel and limit their answers as well then we have some more my name is Christopher Cooper I'm not an academic I'm a data analyst and I suppose I should confess on the Labour councillor we've talked a lot about the will of the people and I thought John Curtis made a very good point this morning people seem to be very fed up with MPs and don't think that Parliament is doing anything and why don't they just sort this mess out but actually Parliament right now is very much reflecting the will of the people which doesn't really know what it wants to do and in fact if we are going to get out of this mess what it requires is politicians having courage to lead and actually do things that are going to be unpopular and it does seem to me that we've got a sort of constitutional problem here that you know people feel alienated from politicians and they want them they want politicians to represent what they want but then when politicians actually do accurately represent what they want which is not knowing what to do then then it leads to this mess how do we kind of resolve this conflict between direct democracy and representative democracy when when are we going to see MPs actually be representatives and not delegates again thanks Neil never ask you to confess I'm a Labour counts through a neighbouring borough in Brett why'd you keep confessing it's not a crier full-time hack so even to me it's very much free very therapeutic thank you a serious question which any wife follows on not planned you Tim you talked about all the things political the impact of political parties on MPs one that I think you missed out was we as members actually vote for new political leaders what is the impact of political party membership going up and down and fluctuating having on British politics at the moment thanks Neil and next question yes hi my name is Sandra Kaduri I used to work in government in conflict zones but I quit to be a campaigner just about bringing the national interest back to the center and do you think the parties have not debated enough about national security and our place in the world and the the fermenting of unrest that's been going on by the Russians to split up the European Union and within our country as well are we not talking enough about that and how we're going to be in this vulnerable situation where is our explanation of how our foreign policy and our soft power helps us at home there's this big disconnect between talking about domestic stuff on the one hand and international stuff completely separate why aren't we talking more about the national interest and these issues okay and the military as well that not talked about army officials speaking out on breaks daily there's too many against in favor of leaving and not enough coming out to talk about why we're tired okay so if I can ask the panel to be six synced with their answers and if there's lots more questions and if you pick which of those do you like to respond to Tim can we start with you yeah well I'll do the obvious one for me which was the party members one you know and where the membership going up and down makes a difference I mean I think it clearly does if you look at the Labour Party the huge surge into the Labour Party has created the delusion among some MPs but even more members that they can win an election with Jeremy Corbyn as their leader and it's created a delusion that the party can do so by becoming a social movement rather than by becoming just a political party and then if you look at the Conservative Party which is seeing the opposite of a surge if you like over the last few years although we don't know exactly where and Conservative Party membership stands right now then again we don't know where Labour Party membership stands right now because the Labour Party won't tell us whether it's gone downs there's certainly times alleged it had it makes it very difficult for the Conservative Party to win a convincing overall majority boots on the ground are not everything clearly but in a close election there is evidence to suggest that party members and the efforts they make can make a difference and if you simply haven't got enough people on the ground to do the job that needs to be done during election times or you've got a membership that while it might be theoretically big enough isn't sufficiently active whether because of age or or for other reasons you know you are going to find it difficult now I know there are some people the Conservative Party here might speak to this who thinks that actually you don't need members anymore because you can you know you can pay people to deliver leaflets you know you can do the the phone banks etc etc and members don't don't count anymore but I'm not so sure so I do think members make a difference and last but last point about members I do think one of the most fascinating things about the politics of the last 20 years or so is that the party whose members have least say formally in the policy of that party namely conservative party members you can argue have actually had the most influence on the policy of a party because I am pretty sure that without the members becoming increasingly Euroskeptic we would not have seen the Conservative Party itself go from you know Euroskeptic position fine to in some ways and in among some MPs anyway quite a euro phobic position I'm just think okay in all our just that one – if I may I think that members have always been far more important to the Labour Party than they have to the Conservative Party partly because of the structures partly because of the policy-making process conservative members have never really had a formal roll informing policy there used to be something called the conservative Policy Forum I don't think it exists anymore you conservative party conferences no longer do local associations put in motions on policy which when I stood well I started out in the 1980s it was a rather exciting big Conservative Party conference it isn't anymore it's just it's not even a conference it's effectively a rally and I agree with Tim that in terms of campaigning members are absolutely vital I think this is where Corbin has really struck lucky with momentum because I mean they are an army of volunteers just sort of itching to get out there to help in an election campaign the Tories don't have that but they haven't had it for many many years in 2015 the reason they had all that trouble with the bus and all the young conservatives going around the country they had to do that because they didn't have the party workers in the marginal constituencies which as we know is where everything is won or lost so I'm not sure that things have changed a lot and I don't think conservative MPs are worrying too much about their own local associations because many of them only have a hundred or 200 members if they're lucky so that they're not going to actually put a lot of pressure on on MPs I think but then we go back to what we were talking about betrayal yes Conservative Party members will feel betrayed they will feel angry and I know several people I know so well if you think I'm going to go out to the next election campaign in to deliver leaflets in my area you've got another thing coming and they already feel that sense of betrayal with trees amazed deal a lot of them I'll try and take the one about you know MPs when are you going to be representatives not delegates and the issue about national security let me just say in defense of some of my colleagues if I think about the people who have been earliest I was a bit of a late comer and strongest on saying we need to put this decision back to the public and have an option to remain it is people in massively leave seats like Bridget philipson in Sundlun Phil Wilson in Sedgefield Pat McFadden Wolverhampton Anatole in red car Mary Cray and Wakefield they have got guts I just had to think of the quite right word that people who are prepared to make that argument so let me just say just as a counter to you I actually see the opposite I see many good colleagues making a case that many of their constituents would not have support because they believe as a as a labor person that they have to put jobs and public services first so that's just my defense and on the issue around I think you raise a very important question here about brexit national security Britain's role in the world that no one will be more pleased for us to leave than Vladimir Putin who wants to see a weakened Europe if you look at internal security issues I went to visit my own chief constable last week and we're doing big brexit no deal preparations we've got East Midlands Airport how we're going to do the data sharing European arrest warrant what's interesting to me is I remember hearing George Osborne make the case that one of the ways we'd get a good deal is through national security because the rest of Europe relied on us so heavily for security they'd give us what we wanted on the economy when in fact none of those issues have been dealt with but once again what this is really about is your view of what sovereignty means and how to be a strong country do you believe that by pooling some sovereignty you gain greater strength or do you believe that somehow you are stronger when you more go it alone that is what we are debating in my view is in a world where global problems require global solutions where you cannot tackle terrorism migration make large international countries pay their taxes or tackle climate change unless you work with others then we have to be part of a stronger bloc of like-minded people that is what this is really about in the long term but I understand why it's simpler to make the case around jobs and the food industry and food manufacturing than it is those bigger things but we have to if we're doing our job do both I I agree you do have to pull sovereignty sometimes and we do that with NATO and NATO is the bulwark of our security and we were told by the stronger in Europe side in the referendum no prospect of a European army whatsoever well it's been enshrined in this treaty that Germany and France have signed today so and just quickly on your previous point which I'm now trying to remember what it was I mean this goes through all parties you have Steven Lloyd and Liberal Democrat MP resigned the party whip to vote for Tereza maize bill now that would have been gone down like a couple of colds sick in the Liberal Democrats you've got I mean is it comfortable to be Ana super your dominant grieve or Heidi Allen at the moment no it isn't you could argue maybe it's not very comfortable to be some people on the ERG side as well because they're getting similar kind of abuse so I think there is leadership but it's it's it's a bit like so we always say why do we never report good news well because it's regarded as advertising in the news media bad news is headline news conflict is headline news so that's why the newspapers and increasingly I will have met broadcasters will report conflict rather than peace so we have time for one very quick final round of questions as long as I can appeal to everyone to keep their questions and the answers short so the gentleman here so yep waving there yeah they do the back there who's waving uh-huh I know there's also gentleman in the Tartan tie so three questions if I can ask you to make questions rather than the speeches really sorry those we're not being able to come to so I my name is Nick James and private citizen I just wanted quick quick quick comment and then my quick question quick comment Liz you should have been leader instead of Jezza for Labor Party even they chose they made the wrong choice penny way I agree with you about the AV but not brexit okay you made some points about why people voted the way they did I voted brexit because of the politician akan sir my wife is polish I'm well aware of friends in Italian other countries in Europe there's a lot of hostility to the unelected frankly proudly dictatorial EU Commission and a lot of I think the factors on the continent are also great the rise of popping populism response to it and I think that briefly and Britain picking up on that and I think there are legitimate reasons and the question is how is that going to be resolved by another referendum here won't change okay another referendum in the back please hi my name is Carla Adam I'm with the Washington Post can you talk a little bit about the significance of the brexit amendments this week and of parliament exerting more control over government thank thank you and the gentlemen here starting tae second-row thanks Jim going again very briefly extraordinary contrast between the morning in the afternoon the afternoon has shown us the resurrection of the Dead and apparently on the panels we've seen today missus Mays deals got a chance do you really believe that okay today's politics I believe anything I think okay I'm gonna start with Anna now and if we can shoot through everybody because you've got a refreshments waiting I don't need to come keep you free cup of tea well the third question the first question the third question yeah for the reasons I said I don't think it's likely I wouldn't put money on it but I do not think it's dead and I think MPs will some a large number of MPs will end up swinging behind it because of the threat of referendum or No Deal respectively depending on which side you're on I have a lot of sympathy with your argument about another referendum I mean insofar as I mean there are a whole load of reasons why people voted to leave and I'm not one of those people who says I understand what the people meant because I don't I mean it's a very confused message but one of the reasons was a general sense of disillusion and either with the economic settlement or with the workings of politics and that's what makes me really worried about a referendum in which one side of a publicly funded campaign is going to campaign on the basis of you can't trust those bastards I'm not sure that is going to be very very good for a democratic system like Ana and people voted leave for many reasons I was describing one set just as I am for in an ideal world remain in reform of the economy here Europe itself needs to wake up and let's see what happens in there in the elections in the European elections I think there are some who understand that Europe needs to change that is something that people like Matt corn have been pressing for that unless you deal with people's real problems they are going to be fed up and angry and want big change so I am always for a remain and reform yeah he's had his own problems isn't he on the amendment there's a whole series that have been put down as you know there is Evette Cooper's bill there that would seek to get an extension of article 50th the Parliament can't agree the way forward there's Dominic Greaves amendment to allow Parliament have the time to debate different options there's amendments about indicative votes Caroline Spellman and Jack drew me and Rachel reeds of also put their amendments or motions down on No Deal I think the the question here is about you know actually you need legislation to trump existing legislation so there isn't a way of ruling out no deal unless you have a an extension or revoking of article 50 I don't know where all of this will end up but I think the reason all of this is happening is because mais plan B is plan a and she's got to win 230 people over and whilst loved the question about resurrection of the of the Dead there I can see why an might think it still has a chance let me just say this the once MPs have voted one way against the deal particularly Tories it is very hard then to explain a big u-turn you've riled everybody up you know you've marched at the top of the hill all your members it's really hard then to get people to change their minds but you know I for one I'm not going to predict what happens particularly not next Tuesday it's actually a hundred and eighteen people I think that she's got 216 people that she's got to persuade and I actually don't agree with your last point there Liz I think I mean I I think if I'd be an MP I would've voted against the deal the first time but probably wouldn't the second time I think you want to make a point with the first vote or maybe have some sort of ideological purity in some cases but there will be tweaks to it I imagine it may go to a third vote before it goes through but I think there is a chance but like Anna and I wouldn't put a lot of money on it and on the two questions about would it referendum solve anything my answer obviously is no partly because we've heard lots of other reasons but I think it's so difficult to find a question that everybody will think is fair can you have a three-way question in a referendum I mean maybe the only way to do it would be to have leave remain and if leave wins Deal or No Deal maybe that's the way it would have to be but I think a lot of people would regard it as rigged if it was either deal versus remain or deal no deal remain and secondly what Parliament is there to scrutinize legislation to MPs are there to amend legislation so I have absolutely no complaint about anybody putting down an amendment but again you've got to be careful that you're not giving the impression that you're trying to rig something and I'm afraid Dominic Greve who's a good friend of mine his amendment on with the 300 MPs being allowed to vote for to take the business of government away I mean people think well that's not a majority how is that fair I know he's changed it now but people whilst people who just remember what the initial intention was and they perceive that as being rigged and they look at the role of the speaker which has put something probably general to go into in great detail but they look at some of his choices for the amendments before I think well were they fair Tim yeah we had a question earlier about you know whether you can reconcile representative democracy with direct democracy and my answer that would be yes you you you probably can but it's very difficult to do that in such an adversarial political culture as we have at Westminster and it's very difficult to do that when you have as Prime Minister and leader of the Opposition Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn who strike me as you know the the wrong people in the wrong job at the wrong time I just you know I think that's that that's undoubtedly true and as sue you know whether we we should or could hold another referendum I mean I I agree I think with many of the people in this room and maybe Anand as well that you know as a last resort as to quote Jim Callaghan a little rubber life raft in which we can climb you know if we have to in desperation it might be the only only solution but certainly I would say that the worst possible argument against having another referendum is that people may be upset by having another referendum and may even be so upset as to the point of committing some kind of civil disobedience or even fringe is some kind of you know violent action you know that is the worst possible argument against asking people for their views on anything other I mean that is no better and I it sounds extreme but I've said anyway that is no better than just giving in to the threat of terrorism I'm afraid I said she note to leave it on but and thank you Anne and Liz in and Tim and to the UK no changing Europe for having a saw and there's now professionals outside go domestic afternoon