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but Stephen Stephen Edgington on the line now I'm Steve the director of politics UMobile Stephen time to change the Prime Minister it certainly is correct you know it's politician UK YouTube channel by the way yes I'm saying trying to finance the right now yep and who do you see is the best person to take everything well I think the only person that I've working at the moment it's obviously Boris Johnson I think he's got the support of a lot of sort of conservative base and I think that he's got support of a lot of the country the extent mile I think he talks you know proper sense common sense politics and it's what the people of this country need we need someone who's actually speaking up for them rather than sort of remain as we've run the country for the last sort of forty three years well maybe speaking of for you but I'm not sure that he speaks out for the entire country well I've gone around the country and I've spoken to people as part my job and 60-million paper ridiculous well I think go to evidence shows to me that a lot of people around the country really support that his sort of straight talking politics and I think that he's right to do that I'm glad that he speaks his mind and he doesn't really care about the consequences of people in Westminster and sort of BBC presenters who might get very very angry with them you know what he said it's all upset about what he said but he just go straight to public and says what they think so I think that's a brilliant thing and when asked one of the key words that people associate with Boris Johnson is the word buffoon I think it's got the country to be a buffoon is it well I think that's the precision of a large number of the public I'm sure it is and I'm sure a lot of the public think that jeremy corbyn's an anti-semite and a large number the public think that reason is absolutely useless I mean that that's just part of the course of being in politics I think when you have these images of you know Boris taunting it's obviously got this sort of feeling like image that's fine and he's also a very great politician I mean to see some of his statements in the columns it made some absolutely brilliant speech is very very statement statesman like man and I think he could be a great Prime Minister he didn't exactly cover himself in glory as foreign secretary did he I think he did I think you need qualified that one well okay he's certainly not popular with the EU I think that's a good thing personally on the European Union obviously very very happy with threesome a being Prime Minister a lot about the negotiations I think we should have someone standing up for Britain and not continually giving concessions for the European Union I think it's great they don't like him fine but have finally someone who would stand up for our country but the point there being them if they don't like him and they see Theresa May as their best option they're gonna make her we'll check his proposal certain aspects of it certainly they'll view it perhaps more palatable more generously than they might otherwise if they see her as their best option so getting that sort of breaks it that suits them I mean I think this is a good consequence of what's going on to be honest I'm glad that the EU are finally saying look we're happy to have a proper negotiation with the UK and if that means that because they're so terrified of forests on to becoming Prime Minister and they're happy finally talk to us about having a proper trade deal they're not fond of me Stephen let's talk briefly about the timing of this do you think that this is appropriate timing for people to be talking about a potential change of conservative leadership I think it should have happened months ago I think we've got a you know you've got to get on with it if we're going to have a change the leader we've got to do it now and we don't do it now and we've got a split with Teresa maybe because there really isn't enough time logistical e to change the brakes that deal what's going on obviously be got checkers it's going to take a while to replace three scenarios we do it for a leadership challenge you know that could take weeks months in terms of you know the actual process and then that leaves almost no time to negotiate a new breakfast deal so we would be crashing out then which I don't think would be a disaster however I think that we are running out time and I'm not happy with breakfast well we had to emps to a breakfast in the ERG for example they have done as disastrous job in terms of organization I think they've got a lot of egos and I'm really disappointed in that because they could have got with a threesome a a long time ago or at least you know all go to checkers a long time ago but they keep on waiting awaiting waiting and the longer they wait the more likely it is that we're going to get a worse deal with the European Union Stephen do you think that that handling breaks it is something of a poisoned chalice no I don't I think that the fact that we are being handled so the people handling breck say and the UK government are so anti-black said they despise it you know all the civil servant none of them voted brexit we've got to remain a cabinet we've got a remain of Prime Minister and when you have people who do not believe and the main policy in this country of course they're going to make a bad job of it of course they're not going to believe in it now that means they can't deliver it properly if it's British people with what people voted for so I think both sides had huge failures and a British politician you know at least I believe totally failed – you know install the proper Prime Minister and a proper plan for leaving the EU on a Canada style free trade deal and remain is on the other side had perfectly failed to institute something to respect the result the fact of course is that however brexit pans out whatever the result of it is it will never be universally popular will it do you accept that I mean the referendum itself okay yes the levers one but it was close and there's certainly a division in within the House of Commons within the country so whatever happens it will never be universally popular will it my point being is if you are looking to change the Prime Minister are you not better to leave Theresa May where she is and let her drink from that poisoned chalice and then replace it with somebody to deal with the consequences who can then be more of a hero I think it's I think it's time to replace her now though that's a problem because we have a checkers agreement which in my opinion does not respect the result it means that we have to carry on taking laws from the European Union we will be a rule taker rather than a rule maker and I think the checkers is it's basically a disaster this country leave us as a vassal state and essentially we would not be in the European you know or outside the European Union we'd be between so I think there's time to get rid through saying now you know all this stuff you're right you're right in the sense that all this bad stuff through your checkers is on her and as soon as we get rid of her and instigate someone who really believes in it then yes fine the country was doing a better and we'll have a lot better prospects of winning a next general election for the Conservatives but I think it's conjugate of her now while she's going through this checkers proposal I think is total disaster for the UK and if she doesn't replace the checkers proposals and yeah she has to go do you think Stephen that looking at it Michel Barnier said earlier this week that November as a possible date time for a deal was still doable as long as certain prerequisites were met do you think if we change the Prime Minister if we change the the current policy that's on the table we could possibly hold ourselves back in terms of getting a better deal for brexit come March next year I think that there is very possible to get a Canada style free trade deal with the European Union which is what they had on the table a few months ago with Donald Tusk this is what happened to the ERG meeting today look we could have a proper breakfast we could have a counter style free trade deal that would be comprehensive it wouldn't be crashing out the European Union on No Deal it wouldn't be staying in certain parts of the European Union like checkers and it will be the perfect option for the UK so I think there is time to do that still and Theresa may really needs for scrap checkers now and bringing the Canada style free trade deal like Greg Spears have been saying from all along we've talked about the possibility of Boris Johnson taking over the Conservative Party does have a history of maybe electing as its new leader not the most obvious or the the the most obvious candidate so do you really think if there were to be a challenge to Teresa Mays leadership it would be Boris Johnson who ultimately would replace it or there are other people you think might be in contention I remember for a very long time George Osborne was meant to be the next prime minister yeah and I think you're totally right I think that they probably won't be Boris Johnson if you look at the history of conservative party leadership elections there's very much a strong chance for a charismatic young probably Tory MP who was the breakfast here I'm really pleased in the cause you could come out of nowhere and he could storm the party and it you could become Prime Minister I simply have no idea but yeah you're right from history's perspective I don't think Boris Johnson is going to be Prime Minister if we look at previous conservative election right no I hear what you say Stephen thanks for joining us really do appreciate it as Steven Eddington director of politics
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do you know the number of net losses so far for labor at the time of us doing this interview I think the net loss is about 50 they're actually 125 net losses so far well the last time I looked we had net losses of a hundred but obviously this is a moving picture so how much would ten thousand police officers cost well um if we recruit the ten thousand men and women over a four-year period we believe it will be about three hundred thousand pounds three hundred thousand pounds but sorry three thousand police officers are you telling them no I mean sorry how much will they cost they will cost they will it will cost um about about 80 million how about 80 million pounds we've never had this conscience never had it don't know what you think would you be prepared to preemptively use a nuclear weapon if it was to save millions of lives in this country we don't believe that the most pressing threat yes or no if yes or no it's one of the single most important questions any government in the world can have if they have nuclear weapons is if you have to use it would you use it why can nobody on the labor side say yes or no to that simple question yes as we know because we believe there are many more pressing threats and the debates around pressing the button actually two tracks I'm talking about the real pressing set chemical wealth warfare to the solid pressing than somebody about to nuke us into extinction use you say people speak in code about read you haven't spoken in code you said white people love playing divided and room we shouldn't play their game max you'd never imagine Michael saying that changing that to saying black people like playing I'd imagine duo happens here and what would happen if he said it you didn't spare ago I thought that was quite a racist remark was it not not I think it's a starting point to say that white people not some or a few or even many but white people as he group I love playing divide and rule I was referring to the history of the British Empire but you were contextualizing it to the present day when too many were temporizing Julie was referred by were you referring to the Steven long's case or something happened long after we had an empire when a royal prince dressed in SS uniform he was absolutely you know condemned had he worn a Mao outfit nobody would have blinked why is that why is it right to wear a Maoist t-shirt but obviously wrong but it is to wear a Hitler t-shirt I suppose some people will judge that on balance Marge is more good than harm I can't figure out you
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The policy was decided in a five hour meeting of Labour’s ruling body – the National Executive Committee. Remainers in the party had wanted Jeremy Corbyn to agree to hold a referendum on any deal, in all circumstances.
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shouting at a different building for a change Labour's National Executive Committee meeting on the second floor they listened to each other's arguments for five hours before signing off on the draft Jeremy Corbyn wanted for the European elections manifesto things hadn't moved much at all despite efforts by some supporters of a second referendum like the deputy leader of the party Tom Watson who want a second referendum argue the party risks losing the enthusiasm if not the membership of many activists and losing votes to parties with a more outspoken Lee Pro remain one of those parties today was trying to exploit just that apparently 22 of the 70 labour MEP candidates are in favour other people's votes good but not good enough where are the other 48 every single one of our change UK candidates supports a people's vote but some Labour MPs who represent Pro leave constituencies worried that the party is already seen as anti brexit and some pro referendum labour front benchers they're in danger of alienating some labour supporters for good you've got members of the Shadow Cabinet who were openly supporting a second referendum with really only remained on the ballot and that does make people who voted to leave in constituencies like mine very very angry it will hurt labour badly you think in a general election let alone the ones that are coming up I think there is on an honest prospect that this could be the final breach of trust with voters who have been moving away from the labour party for some time in town mine but who now feel that they have been completely not just let down but actually disrespected through this process analysis their efforts to get an agreement between the labour and conservative front bench teams on a brexit deal would intensify in the coming days at cabinet today three ministers protested to the Prime Minister that they thought the conservative family could still come together and itself deliver the brexit deal without labor help any more dn't and rule Edson Liam Fox were firmly told by the chief whip that wasn't realistic that some Tories think could mean an awkward moment for the Labour leader he's offered pretty much all he's asking for from the Tories on brexit others think Jeremy Corbyn too aware of the divisions within labour will find a way to reject any offer but Teresa may looks like she might be playing her last card a Chief Whip told the cabinet those who thought brexit could be got through on Tory MP votes was simply hiding under the duvet Gary Gibbon there with that report I can now speak to two Labour Party MPs in a moment we'll be speaking to Labour's shadow Business Minister Barry Gardner who was in that NEC meeting today but first let's go to Melanie on who has been are we shaking his head – perhaps he wasn't we'll find that out when we get to him a campaign she's on the campaign trail in her constituency in Grimsby today Melanie on what have you found on the doorsteps of Wims be today you've been hard at it good evening John there were two main issues that people have been talking to me about the first it's a very local issue around recycling rates and people very keen to get new recycling bins but the second of course is bricks it and everybody wants to talk to me about that knowing when exactly it's going to happen and why it's taking nearly three years to get to a position where the the deadline of the 29th of March has been and gone and nobody really knows what's happening now so what do they make of your party wrangling about whether to have another referendum to be honest that isn't getting a great deal of cut-through with the people that I've spoken to today I know that that will be all the talk in London and in Westminster circles but out here on the doorstep it is very much about the big bricks at issue why hasn't it happened yet and I heard that piece from Lisa Nandi earlier in the program and I think that she's right people are feeling very frustrated that their views are being ignored and I know that my constituency is extraordinary in some respects because it was such a high leave vote and that isn't the case across the whole of the country however people overall did marginally vote to leave and they expected to see some progress and at the moment it feels very much like it's a plague on all of your houses for not getting our act together and I would say the Prime Minister should have reached out earlier to the Labour Party to try and reach an accommodation much earlier than she did do and this is her timetable that has failed however they don't understand why political parties and representatives can't sit down like grown-ups and reach an accommodation well now I mean do you find contrasting today with when you first set out on the original brexit campaign I mean if you find people are clearer about the issues really understand what it's all about and have any of them at all adjusted their views I don't think that anybody that I've spoken to over the last a few weeks or even the last few months have changed their views at all they have if anything become more entrenched particularly people who were very passionate on both sides of that debate however for those who were slightly more ambivalent and perhaps it was a finer balance about how they chose to vote in in that referendum they very much feel like they recognized that the referendum did not go in their favor those remain voters and so think well then it is the government's responsibility to get on with this and deliver a deal in the best way possible and what happens to you now because I mean you were I think originally remainer yes yeah absolutely and I'm very clear with constituents I campaigned for remain that I voted for remain that you know if if it comes up again which I very much hope that it doesn't that I would probably still be in a position where I say on balance I personally still think that it is better to remain however I recognize that seventy percent of people in this borough and in my constituency voted to leave and we asked them what it was that they wanted us to do and although I am NOT mandated by my constituents I do recognize that when we ask them a question and they tell us what it is that we should do that their views do deserve to be represented and that's what I hope I've been doing in Parliament Melanie on thank you very much indeed for joining us from Grimsby we're now turning to Barry Gardner who in fact is shadow trade minister and was not in the NEC meeting but attended the Shadow Cabinet what what do you make of this fudge tonight I mean it seems you're having a Betty both ways job well John Connor actually first of all congratulate channel for that I think is the most balanced piece of reporting on brexit and and and this whole debate that I've heard in a very long time because you've presented both sides I think you've tried to present both sides very fairly and the the really extraordinary thing about these coming elections is that there is only one party who will be going into those elections trying to appeal to both sides of our population whether they were leave or remain and what we're saying is look we we were a remain party we campaign to remain but when that Democratic decision was taken as Democrats we said okay we made you a promise that was a promise that we committed ourselves to in our manifesto we then said that we would try and deliver on that result we made certain reservations on that and that was we would not go for a no deal and that we would certainly not go for a bad brexit such as the one that's been criticized on all wings of the political parties right across Parliament which is Theresa may steal and that's why we're in there now at the moment trying to negotiate with the government and and Melanie on put it so brilliantly when she said look and she should have been doing this the Prime Minister should have been doing this and you know two years ago bringing recognizing the division that there is in our society and trying to heal it trying to reconcile it and that's why she should have reached out to the Labor Party into the opposition you know two years ago but so we could try and create a compromise but let's say 80 percent of the population would say look it may not be fair it may not be exactly what I want but I can live with this yeah but at the end of the day you look like a push me pull me party I mean in the face of the very strident Nigel Faraj and the forces that are absolutely determined to push ahead with the whatever brexit they can get you seem to be sort of you know very indistinct tonight but no I I reject that entirely because the the vision that Nigel Farage has is of a no deal brexit a deregulated brexit where we would go on to the disaster that would be World Trade Organization turns and what we said is quite clear and that is we will respect the referendum result we should leave the European Union but we should do it in a way that protects jobs protects standards of the environmental standards and rights protections in the workplace for people and in a way that in a BMI chained to we have very little time and and what you do seem to be saying is is that you you will have a referendum if there isn't a deal and you will have a referendum if you can't get anything else it's a kind of backstop well actually John let me refer you back to September last year you were at the party conference I think our labor came out after six hours of negotiation with that compromise and everybody at the time hailed that compromise as as really grown-up politics because what we said is look we will abide by the promises that we've made to the public promises to try and deliver on on the the referendum result but equally promises that we will not run remind people's well-being and and that's what we're continuing to do so very go get that deal we will if we can't then we'll go for a public vote we must leave it there thank you very much indeed for joining us thank you thank you
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• Brexit Party Rally, Kensington Olympia, London, 21.05.2019
• Speakers in order of appearance:
– Richard Tice, Brexit Party Chairman, MEP candidate (Eastern) @TiceRichard
– Ann Widdecombe, MEP candidate (South West) @WiddecombeAnn
– Václav Klaus, former President of the Czech Republic (Watch related video ‘Václav Klaus stands up for Freedom’:
– Nigel Farage MEP (South East), Brexit Party Leader, President of the Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy Group (EFDD) in the European Parliament – @Nigel_Farage
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you are here today and the birth catalogue of a new role in British politics and welcome to the rectum politics we tell them we're going and if they don't understand it we can talk to Yunker in a language which he does understand and and we can say news are long monsieur news are long I joined the Conservative Party in 1984 this is not a decision I have made lightly to leave a party for which I have fought at every election since 1987 from Maggie Thatcher through to raise a mane I know which one I'd rather have representing us now a letter addressed to me owned it up and it was in very spidery and writing and the author of the letter said dear mr. Parrish during the war I served in Bomber Command on many missions over occupied Europe he said I can tell you you only start getting flak when you're getting near and the target please welcome to the stage all the brexit party candidates [Applause] [Applause] you [Applause] [Applause] [Applause] the idea that you should have a second referendum would be incredibly damaging most of all to the trust in democracy from people up and down this country the mood of the country of growing fury and anger and frustration I don't think people in Westminster and central London have got any idea what's out there and what may happen the people are confident in how great we are as a nation what we're talking about is the opportunity to be free again free to be a self-determination and that's what the people want leave leave means leave doesn't mean leave with a deal will leave with a bad deal we must not and we will not allow this complete and utter shambles in Westminster to continue we all know that the UK can do so much better than this please welcome to the stage richard theis it's just like another two's delight in West London isn't it it's fantastic to see so many people here this evening I think I've come to the right party do we believe in bricks it when do we want it I have to say you're a lot more friendly than the Electoral Commission that I spend some hours with earlier goodness me anyway it's fantastic to have everybody here and first of all I'd like to give a huge thank you to our incredible candidates who worked so hard during the recent weeks they have they have been absolutely incredible most of them have never stood for public office before but they were brave enough to put their head above the parapet and to say enough is enough and some of the abuse the vitriol the appalling signs that have been painted on walls and posters and things is utterly disgraceful now it's hard to believe we've been going for just over five weeks I hope you'll agree with me we have been quite busy and hopefully on the screen we can see the video that we announced our launch video at that press conference in a factory in the Midlands in Coventry just over five weeks ago we have been betrayed that is why I set up the brexit party it's why we're gonna fight the European elections on May the 23rd and that is just the beginning of what is needed in this country democracy is under threat and when politicians failed to deliver there must be consequences I was too young to vote in 2016 but now I support the brexit party because I believe in delivering on democracy it's time to recognize that actually we are an incredible nation standing on our right to be heard successful hard-working so much to be confident enthusiastic and optimistic about that's why I'm supporting the present party we are a single nation we wish to remain a nation they must adhere to the promises made for people let's be optimistic for the benefit of our children and grandchildren you want a home and you're a brexit here you join the brexit party now we can move so much better than currently we're guessing from our members of parliament we want to be an independent self-governing nation making its own laws controlling its own board and be proud of who we are as a people join us hopeless supporters do what you can for us we need change in this country and we need it now Britain's needs the brexit party and the Flexi party needs you [Applause] more from nigel later I have to tell you he's on fantastic form he really is he's been brilliant I've had him in training anyway the truth is ladies and gentlemen that we all know that our country can do so much better but instead we've been utterly completely and totally humiliated humiliated by incompetent leadership incapable negotiators and MPs who want to do dirty dodgy nasty useless backroom deals and we here today the ultimate ultimate betrayal from someone that I suppose we still have to call our prime minister for a while so how long has she known how long has she known that she was gonna offer a second referendum as part of a way to try and bribe and blackmail MPs into signing this appalling deal [Applause] it's an absolute disgrace but now the truth is out indeed the truth is out we now know what this Prime Minister really stands for she doesn't believe in anything except remaining in number 10 for that little bit longer but we are the brexit party we're full of hope we're full of optimism full of ambition because we know that things need to change we stand for capable common-sense competent politics we've got to take on the establishment we've got to take on the vested interests of the big multinationals the CBI and a civil service that have simply proven themselves not up to their job we we simply need much better people to come into politics and that's why it's been so amazing to work with these candidates the quality of these candidates I have no doubt is the highest quality candidates that have ever stood for public office in this country in a generation and ladies and gentlemen when we say when we say that we're gonna change politics for good we mean it we've opened our website for applications for parliamentary candidates so we hope the lots more fantastic capable able people will put themselves forward because we all know that brexit is a huge huge opportunity it's not a problem to be mitigated it's an opportunity to be embraced with enthusiasm with ambition with confidence and with belief but there's not a lot of that in the two main parties and what we've seen in this process is the two-party system in the United Kingdom is broken [Applause] it's time for change and unlike others we haven't been changing our name every other week so what we need to do though it's absolutely vital ladies and gentlemen we're doing ok but my word we've got to get the vote out on Thursday we have got to win and we need to win big that means that all of you please don't forget don't go on a holiday spread the word get the vote out and your family your friends your dog's your friend ur friends anybody that you can talk to we've got to get the vote out we've got to send that very clear message now I just need to do a quick straw poll hands up all of you who are registered supporters it's a pretty good start but I reckon there's a few of you who are still holding back no excuses ladies and gentlemen it's a minimum of 25 quid and don't believe any nonsense you hear from the media we need your support and we need it now and so whilst they call me the chairman the realities are no worst and I'm actually just the warm-up act we have three incredible speakers this evening the first of whom needs little introduction but it's fair to say that she's had a number of phases to her career like me she was a member of a certain other political party but we saw the light she was an MP for that political party for 23 years that was really just her warm up things then she realized that actually we all needed educating about dancing so she went on Strictly Come Dancing this was phase 2 now not being enough a bit of Celebrity Big Brother before the big important challenge in her life to be part of the brexit party we're so thrilled that she has joined our campaign our party and has been such a fantastic speaker campaigner and advocate before we welcome and to the stage let's just see her on the video former conservative minister and Widdecombe has announced that she will stand for Nigel Farage's brexit party and lifelong Conservative Ann Widdecombe has today announced that she is coming out of retirement the whole nation is fed up to the back teeth and just wants a resolution is unjust the seventeen point four million who have been betrayed it is also generations to come now if they have their way will not grow up in an independent self-governing country the National good comes first and that's what everybody out there is saying I'm not fluffy as in Parliament just aren't hearing if we get worn down if we can't get it to you all then just call the whole thing off no there is against democracy believes in its will is more important than the will of the people I shall focus on one thing delivering what the people voted for please welcome to the stage and Widdecombe [Applause] right ladies right ladies and gentlemen I'm just going to ask you a few questions the first one is if we stay in the EU will we stay in control of our own laws and the second is is it possible both to be in the EU and to control our own borders and is it possible to be in the EU and to control our own trade and finally is it possible to be in the EU and to be governed by our own democratically elected government well those four knows ladies and gentlemen are the answer to people who say that we did not know what we were voting for we knew exactly what we were voting for and we also know what the remains were voting for they want us to have no control over our own laws our own borders our own trade or to be governed by our own democratically elected government that was what they were voting for how could anybody with an ounce of pride in Britain vote for that and we were promised faithfully promised in 2016 that whatever was decided in that referendum would be upheld and they didn't stop there in 2017 both major parties stood on manifestos which said that we would have a brexit and what is more Teresa mais manifesto went further it's said in black and white that no deal was better than a bad deal and they have spent the last two years Renne aging on those manifestos and then people say to us why haven't we got a manifesto what is the point of having manifestos when you abandon them at the first inconvenience well you know I think this is the message we send to Westminster they have a choice either they let Britain leave the EU or we will make sure they leave Westminster [Applause] Thursday Thursday is not the end it is the beginning it is the beginning of getting true democracy back into this country it is the beginning of making sure that we are governed with competence with openness and with fairness and above all it is the beginning of making sure that it is the people's will that is implemented not the will of those who go against us [Applause] you know the problem is really very simple we have a nation which wants to leave the EU and we have a parliament which wants to remain in the EU well we have to show them who's the boss and it is both parties Jeremy Corbyn produced a manifesto jeremy corbyn produced a manifesto that said very clearly that the results of the referendum would be implemented and although it's quite true that the government has made a complete and utter mess of brexit they couldn't have done it without the full cooperation of the Labour Party I mean there we were immediately after the local elections we weren't even standing and yet people were writing us in on their ballot papers and the thing I enjoyed most was the expression on jeremy corbyn's face they'd been boasting that they were going to make 400 gains and they made 82 losses and that was the Prime Minister's opportunity she should have said Jeremy look we're both in big trouble we have to deliver brexit instead of which she said to him Oh Jeremy what would you like would you like a customs union Oh certainly would you like to stay aligned to the single market Oh certainly to be governed by EU law Oh Jeremy just told me how much of the EU law you want us to be governed by you know I said at the beginning of this campaign that we had the worst prime minister since Anthony Eden well I apologized to Anthony Eden how often have you heard that if we leave the EU everything is going to be chaos do you remember that we were told if we even dared to vote to leave the EU everything was going to be chaos in fact if we leave the EU we have a really bright future ahead of us we can be part of the globe instead of part of some terrible strong protectionist bloc which actually thwarts economic development economic enterprise and our trade with the rest of the world oh we're told we can't possibly trade if we're not part of the EU how many countries aren't part of the EU and have they all stopped trading the fact is we do not need the EU the EU is a burden nobody can tell me as they sometimes try but that really we are free to make our own laws because I spent seven years as a government minister and I know how impossible it was for us to pass any law that the EU did not want and how impossible it was for us to resist any law from them that we did not want that is the reality a gentleman called giver hofstadt thinks we are a colony well I would say this to him colonies have a rather disconcerting habit of revolting and when they have revolted and when they have regained their independence they can also have a habit about stripping their former masters just ask America so our aim on Thursday is twofold the first is we have to send a message which will terrify us monster a message which they can only interpret one way which is that their future actually depends on Britain's future being outside the EU that is the first message and the second message we have to send them is we are not going to go away this is not just about Thursday this is making sure that Britain leaves the EU and has a proud free independent future and we will stay around as long as it takes to deliver that now I spend 55 years in a certain other party and during that time I did all the campaigning or the canvassing all the street markets all the public meetings and I never in those whole 55 years saw energy and commitment as I have seen during this campaign from our supporters so let's build on that energy build on that commitment after Thursday comes Peterborough and after Peterborough comes the next general election so thank you ladies and gentlemen for your commitment to a free independent Britain and let's remember that is what it is about it is not about a party it is about a country and a cause [Applause] Wow [Applause] Wow that isn't gentlemen if that's not the definition of an inspiration I don't know what is truly inspiring Thank You Anne [Applause] and an quite rightly referred to the opportunities that we can take on the global stage and let anybody be a no doubt a vote for the brexit party is a vote for a WTO brexit because we know we know the opportunities that that will present we know that that gives us the maximum negotiating leverage we know that No Deal is always better than a bad deal but let people be under no illusion either a vote for the brexit party is a vote that some of our elected MVPs should play a significant role in the future negotiating team because we have the skills in this team we have the skills the expertise and the wisdom unlike and of course we have the belief and the passion unlike civil servants who were sent in to do a job they didn't believe in and surprise surprise they did a useless woeful appalling job in terms of being on the global stage and move on to our next speaker our guest speaker this evening who is the former prime minister and president of the Czech Republic a staunch euro skeptic a passionate defender of democracy and the nation-state the author doesn't believe in political correctness that sounds that sounds popular before we welcome president Klaus to the stage is fantastically having with us let's just see him an action on the video he was born during the Nazi occupation he lived during the communist regime he fought against the EU in order to defend his people and democracy some people who take freedom and democracy for granted are not able to understand I don't need the European unification would you be ready to to get rid of your government and to create a and different government there was one wonderful bright uplifting moment during the Czech presidency and I have of course referring to the visit of václav Klaus what a wonderful speech that was coming into this chamber and telling a few home truths and pointing out that European parliamentarians and leaders are not listening to the peoples of Europe at which 200 of you got up and walked out of the room I definitely tried to keep the Czech Republic as a sovereign country as a free country Europe needs a radical political process the brakes it needs a brexit party it is great that Nigel Farah please welcome to the stage that of Klaus [Applause] ladies and gentlemen dear dear brexit friends I am extremely honored extremely pleased to be asked to come here this evening and to address political gathering I must tell you that that I am not used to speak abroad I brought I speak quite often but not on such political campaign you realize and so it's not that easy for me [Applause] you know in a foreign language and especially after such an incredible speaker you know I am afraid I can't I can't compete I would like to start the saying something what you should know and you probably don't know that you have many friends in the Czech Republic many friends generally and many friends connected this brexit that's very that's very important I have to tell you that in the moment when we first heard the results of the of the brexit referendum many checks opened champagne bottles it was it was a great event not just for you for us as well you know we considered considerated not only your victory it was a victory of all European Democrats it was an important message [Applause] it was the brexit referendum was not only about Great Britain I must tell you it was it was about Europe as a whole and in this respect it was about the Czech Republic as well so many things for that we read each video Czechs have are in many respects the same or similar critics of the EU arrangements of the EU post democracy of the UNAM sensitivity and arrogance of the EU non-democratic substance we similarly we similarly as you want to make decisions about ourselves about our country in Prague the same as you want to make decisions about your country here in one room not in Brussels it is it is it is that it is that simple all other interpretations wrong and purposefully misleading your brexit decision was a historic event it changed it changed Europe it was also a fatal blow to the pride of all European mandarins to the pride of the whole European Union nomenklatura many people however from green supposed that brexit has been achieved just by the referendum they were wrong the political elites didn't want to accept didn't want to accept the proxy decisions and they didn't want to find a positive solution they wanted to punish to denigrate to humiliate Great Britain as much as possible [Applause] they also wanted to demonstrate to all of us in the rest of Europe in all other EU member states that there is no friendly exit from the EU and that especially that especially the small countries don't have a chance to leave the EU that was their ambition to demonstrate [Applause] the EU behavior ask for a resolute clear and decisive British stance it to our great regret and I am sure to your great regret didn't come such as your country goes and stays divided was instead hesitant your politicians were not able to react they probably didn't expect such a merciless and ruthless EU behavior [Applause] not not to expect it was however a great mistake as I look at it from from from crack at the distance the British main political parties totally failed and they totally failed and betrayed and abandoned the British citizens their voters it had however one positive side effect by doing it by behaving in this way they probably underling Lee created the brexit party they they created you and they helped you very much in this respect I know that you didn't plan you didn't extend to participate in these European elections but I am sorry to say you have to without you without my good friend Nigel Faraj without without the whole brexit part in the British I'm afraid the British indecisiveness would continue you have to win the elections and to get and to get a strong commitment date to influence the political stance political stances of your country Bonham last remark I have a relatively recent 27 years ago experience visa special exit some of you may remember 27 years ago Czechoslovakia was divided into two parts now Czech Republic and Slovakia it was a sort of exit it was a Slovak exit from the Czechoslovak Federation and I was the main organizer of that split of that order decision [Applause] always I always suggested that I could voluntarily come to London to help you with Swiss brexit but you didn't you didn't ask me however so you didn't ask me however but what we learn what we learn we learned one important thing we both the Czech part and the Slovaks wanted to find a solution that was totally different situations because in your case just Great Britain wanted to find a solution whereas the EU nomenklatura didn't want it so that was a big difference dear dear Roxy friends you should in the first coming elections you should give to all of us that you should give the whole rest of Europe a good example many Europeans need it and many are waiting for it don't disappoint them [Applause] to be here the zoo tonight thank you very much for your attention [Applause] [Applause] thank you thank you so much president Klaus for your support for your encouragement for your advice and for your wisdom and their ladies and gentlemen is proof of the international recognition of the brexit party proof of the opportunities that awaits us if we do a proper WTO brexit and so and so to our final speaker well well he needs looking introduction it's fair to say that he's had a fairly significant impact on British politics indeed he is without question the most influential politician but has had an influence on British history British politics since I believe the Second World War and I talked earlier about the courage of our candidates but the bravery and the courage of Nigel Farage over the last 25 years who has the original the original brexit area see the original brexit ear he has battled through abuse through vitriol through threats his own personal safety and that of his family and we saw that again just yesterday in wait hood absolutely Newcastle absolutely appalling behavior by sore losers so it's fantastic before we welcome him to the stage let's just watch Nigel in action on the screen Cameron said that leaflet through every home in the country which said whatever the results we will implement the decision I was elected back in 1999 20 years I've served over there 20 years that I've stood up in that chamber we woke up on that beautiful morning of the 24th of June 2016 and despite everything despite what we've been told we voted to leave and what we've seen ever since then is the most willful persistent deliberate betrayal of the greatest democratic exercise ever made in the history of this country it is a disgrace whether you promise fight both of those parties when it went into British law yes mrs. May I admit I made a mistake I did not believe that a vicar's daughter could be so willfully duplicitous with the British nation as you've been if we win these elections and win them big that something starts to matter again a word that we actually made huge sacrifices twice in the twentieth century to defend the very notion of democracy it is democracy itself will has been betrayed we must fight for it when the two mainstream parties tell us trust us we will deliver never again will we trust them what we've got to do is take off a two-party system but it's letting down this country we've got to take along because I'm part of change politics for good you with us please welcome to the stage Nigel Farage hello Wow you know we only launched this party five and a half weeks ago and in that space of time we've managed to assemble this fantastic team of candidates to put before the British electorate we've managed we've managed in five and a half weeks to go to the head of the opinion polls that's not bad is it we've managed in five and a half weeks not just to frighten the establishment oh no they're not frightened they're absolutely terrified [Applause] but perhaps most important of all what we've managed to do in those five and a half weeks since we launched in that factory in Coventry is we've managed to give millions and millions of people in this country who were frustrated upset angry on the point of saying they may never engage with the democratic process again so sick to death were they of the shenanigans in Westminster and you know what we've given them in the brexit party we've given them hope optimism and belief in this country and even ever-growing process but it's worth it's worth reminding ourselves of why we're here I mean I can scarcely believe that I'm here 20 years I've been in that European part of it 20 years of getting up one or two of you may have seen my speeches I don't know 20 years of getting up giving my always helpful constructive speeches over there oh now I think mr. Van Rompuy rather enjoyed it really 20 years of taking on him and mr. Jung Curran Donald Erskine Michel barley and/or I've got better than that giver hofstadt 20 years of doing my bit but 20 years of trying to do myself out of a job 20 years of being mature key that always wanted to vote for Christmas so I never imagined I'd be standing in these elections and come to think of it if I've given them a tough time over there what do they get when it comes you to do when she gets there they won't know what hit him they won't know what hit him but look the reason we're here is very simple we had that realm doing the best for eat soup we're doing this is because after that astonishing referendum when remember project fear was in full mode wasn't it we had that Chancellor George Osborne telling us that half a million jobs would go immediately there'd be an emergency budget taxes would go up house prices would crash foreign direct investment would cease to come into our nation trade would collapse plagues of black locusts would descend upon our land we had that then they even shipped in that they thought this was their big card I won't say trump card but he did come from America and he was called President Obama remember that our best ally in the world and their leader came and told us we'd go to the back of the queue if we voted for brexit we had of course we were lucky though lucky in the referendum that we have a state broadcaster in this country well I'm sure you're all delighted paying your 150 pounds a year to the BBC aren't you I'm surprised I mean personally I'm a particular fan of the Andrew Marr show I can tell you but despite media bias despite project fear despite it all we voted for brexit and we did so by a large and clear majority of 1.3 million and remember remember that David Cameron do you remember David Cameron David Cameron told us in that leaflet that went through every door in the land that our will would be implemented and then we had a general election in which both the conservative and Labour Party's promised us that if we voted for them they would honour the result of the referendum and 498 members of parliament voted for article 50 and it went into British law and it said we would leave the European Union on march on March thank you we would leave the EU on March the 29th with or Oh deal with or without a deal and that became part of British law and I have to tell you that I made without doubt the biggest political mistake of my life because I believed it was going to happen I believe they would deliver I'm sure most of you believed they would deliver because after all we are supposed to be a democratic country and yet as the months went by from mrs. May coming back with her checkers deal all the way through her constant rejections by the House of Commons oh and by the way have you seen what she's done this afterno I mean just when you think she can't sink any lower she comes back and surprises as I mean now she surrendered eventually everything surrendered to the customs union surrendered the single market rolls oh and the icing on the cake if you vote for her deal there's a chance of having a second referendum if there are any conservatives out there who are you're a skeptic who believe in the democratic process they were half thinking about voting for Mays Conservatives on Thursday in the European elections you've just been told you are not wanted but I know where they can go the brakes their party no I I watched I watched this slow-motion betrayal and I realized as March the 29th approached that we simply weren't going to leave and I thought of myself I've spent I was unbelievable really but I've spent 25 years of my life campaigning for us to be a free and independent country [Applause] I thought through much of it that I might become the patron saint of lost causes but I kept on going and having seen having seen what Parliament was going to do and by the way both parties here are as guilty as each other make no doubt about that so I had a decision to make would I would I allow myself to simply be rolled over by the political process or would I stand up and fight and I decided I would stand up and fight and that is why I founded the brexit party it's why we're here today [Applause] yeah [Applause] well I'm pleased that you're pleased but clearly not everybody is pleased I said to you earlier that the establishment were terrified and of course what they cannot believe what they cannot comprehend is that we have managed in the space of five and a half weeks to get over a hundred thousand people to pay 25 pounds online and to give money to the brexit party wasn't achievement that is in this country but not content with that not content with that they've decided to go on an all-out attack and yesterday we saw Gordon Brown attack attack the potential financial probity of the brexit party units right Gordon Brown let's work this out for a moment Joey Gordon Brown attacked our financial probity this is the man who say he did well down your what really you should be up here ready sir Gordon Brown the man who sold who told the world the dates on which he would do it and sold 400 metric tons of gold at two hundred and seventy dollars an ounce Thank You Gordon Brown for that but we're still Gordon Brown who along with Tony Blair how does their chief fundraiser how does their chief fundraiser Lord levy when and I'll try my best not to be sued for libel here when shall we say an astonishing number of labour donors went to the House of Lords and he has the effrontery to attack us for our funding it's outrageous please you behave like that and of course surprise surprise an hour after Gordon Brown a taxes guess what happens the Electoral Commission announced that they're going to mount a dawn raid on the offices of the brexit party whatever just tell you this for a fact all right we have a team of four professionally trained accountants looking after the money we're not stupid we know what to do and last week last week we met the Electoral Commission and they said our processes were correct they had no concerns indeed we said to them would you come into our offices and look at our systems they said no we haven't got time before the election we asked them to put in writing we asked them to put in writing the fact that our process of book were good but they didn't decide to take us up on it and blow me down in turn up this morning Elcom at 10 o'clock this morning now it was decided that I might not be the best person to greet them that was a good call so Richard got the job and can I tell you after seven hours today in the office the Electoral Commission have not found a single misdeed by the brexit party [Applause] so let's let's make it clear shall we let's make it clear to the conspiracy theorists to those who think somehow the Russians are funding us let's make it clear the media where our money comes from would you please put up your hand if you've paid your 25 pounds to be there we are that or I better do it as well of no really that is where our money is coming from it's coming from this growing mass movement of people who are excited energetic optimistic and realize we will get brexit but we just have to stand up and fight for it again [Applause] Turo there are other aspects there are other aspects of the campaign that have been slightly unpleasant but I'm not even going to dignify the behavior of that your bow yesterday by talking about it we will simply move on but why vote for the brexit party on Thursday well I think this is now about far more than leaving the European Union this is now about a bigger more fundamental question of democracy are we are we a democratic country do we trust our political class and how do you think the rest of the world now sees us mrs. may by her constant abject surrenders to these unelected bully boys in Brussels has humiliated our nation and I've had enough of it let's stand up and be proud of who we are vote vote for the brexit party this Thursday and if the brexit party can win this Thursday and if the brexit body can win well this Thursday we put back on the table for that new deadline of the 31st of October Halloween trick or treaty but we if we win this election well we put back on the table for that date our exit on WT o terms [Applause] if we win if we win we win big on Thursday we will kill off any prospect of Parliament forcing a second referendum upon us because they know they won't lose if we vote for the brexit party and we win on Thursday we demand given that democratic mandates that people out of this team people who've got competence people who've been in business people who do deals for a living unlike the career politicians on our front benches and we demand that we are part of that negotiating team to make sure that we do leave the European Union on the 31st of October we must be part of that process and if we win if we win well we win big on Thursday there are a couple of really nice little bonuses that will be attached the first is we will quickly get rid of the worst most duplicity and I still disagree with that Widdecombe she's not the worst Prime Minister since Anthony Eden she's the worst Prime Minister in the history of our nation she'll be God and you never know you never know given the way we are smashing the Labour vote in Wales and in the Midlands and in the north of England you never though a bit brexit win may get rid of Jeremy Corbyn as well how about that [Applause] what a deal full a deal buy one get one free how about that but I will never I will never make the same mistake that I made again I keep being asked well what will happen when the Conservative Party have a new leader what will happen if somebody like Boris becomes leader Boris Johnson said that mrs. Mays new treaty would lead us to vassalage it would lead us to be a slave state in fact I thought steady on a beneath using language even stronger than I am what's going on here and then what happened what happened on the third time mrs. Mae brought it back to the House of Commons despite all he'd said and all he done he voted for it what I've learnt what I've learned is you cannot trust the political class in this country we must not trust the political class in this country [Applause] and that actually actually the two-party system doesn't work anymore politics is broken somebody us the brexit party has the challenge and break that two-party system that is what we have to do and we need major reform major reform we got to get rid of a House of Lords that is full of 700 of Mr Blair Mr Blair and Mr Cameron's cronies oh and the electoral commission filled up with political policemen and women all of whom are remainders all of whom are part of that Westminster establishment I think they should all be replaced and more representative of this country we need we need we need wholesale political change we're the only party fighting this European election with a clear distinctive message we are saying we must leave we must leave on the 31st of October this year we must leave with or without any form of Trade Agreement because we demand nothing less than this country being a self-governing independent proud nation who governs herself chooses her own alliances and friendships around the world and look at the advantages we have 2.4 billion people living in the Commonwealth let's reach out to them let's reach out to a bigger world and anyone who thinks anybody thinks the what I'm asking is for you to go out and protest on Thurs maybe think I'm asking you to go out and stick up two fingers to the establishment on Thursday well there's good reason of course to stick up two fingers to the establishment but actually I've not asked you to do that I'm asking you to vote for us on Thursday as the first step to fundamentally changing politics for good in this country we are attempting we are attempting and it is by far the most ambitious thing I've ever done we are attempting a peaceful political revolution in this country it is needed it is needed it is needed with us thank you thank you [Applause] I did I think we can safely say ladies and gentlemen the training has paid off without question he's back and he wit plans to win now we've just got time for a few questions we could still have a bit of fun in politics it's a serious business but Marlene from the edgeware word she's put 40 quid on Nigel being the next prime minister and she wants to collect her winnings now I'll let Nigel get his breath back question for Anne Stephen from Epsom says what happens if the Prime Minister currently what happens if she gets some form of dodgy deal through with today's additional amendments and changes and any thoughts microphone gesture well it really is terribly simple a dodgy deal is not a brexit and if what they give us is a dodgy deal then we will make sure that we play dodgems too and we get them out [Applause] now this is a really good question that actually there hasn't been enough focus on and so our last Nigel about this John from Hampstead who says there's been no mention that remainders don't realize that staying in the EU means a more federal Europe and I think it is an important point to address oh it's not a federal Europe it's not a federal Europe it's actually a unitary centralized Europe run by people who the who you cannot vote for and you cannot remove it is fundamentally not just undemocratic it is we're not we're not and the black state party of all the political parties in Europe the brexit party is the clearest we are not anti European in any way at all we love Europe we love his people we love his countries we love his culture [Applause] we we love his cheese's we love it's whines what I do in particular but we want a Europe of independence sovereign Democratic States provided states are democratic they will never ever fight each other let us lead the way as the United Kingdom for a Europe of friends a Europe of neighbors but not a Europe of Yonkers and Barney as these people right so ladies gentlemen that's all we've got time for this evening let's have you all on your feet if you're not already what are the ones Rexy once Rexy Roxy will do thank you very much for coming have a very safe trip home [Applause] vote for the brexit RC on May the 23rd and let's change politics for good [Applause]
The Sunday Politics 17 January 2015
order order who are an incorrigible delinquents at times maybe yourself man personally let's talk about Jeremy Corbyn he gave a wide-ranging interview on the marshal a little earlier here on BBC one let's just listen to what the Labour leader had to say my question with respect was about sympathy action and whether you would remove that less empathy action is legal in most other countries and I think it should also be legal here but remember this no you would really although story nobody willingness of course nobody willingly goes on strike they go on strike as an ultimate weapon the number of strikes is actually very small it's an ultimate weapon that is used but anyone who goes on strike is making an enormous sacrifice they don't get paid they they suffer a great deal and as a result of it and so let's look at the causes of people being upset rather than the EMM symptoms well nikka an action policy packed interview this morning with Andrew Marr on the Falklands on Islamic State on secondary strike action and even on the idea that maybe we could keep Trident but just not put any missile warheads on the missiles yes I felt all nostalgic I was back to a teenager in the 1980s I remember these arguments in the early 1980s Michael foot put them in that manifesto for the 1983 general election now the point it was very less on the Falklands er he was very robust on the Falkland Islands absolutely he said he knew more about fascism than depth and DL who had told him not to side with Margaret Thatcher absolutely right I mean the point for Jeremy Corbyn is that he has a mandate from the Labour Party to put forward these arguments he had a 60% vote it is very clear what Jeremy Corbyn thinks about nuclear weapons he's been a member of CND since 1966 so he has a mandate the challenge for Jeremy Corbyn is to put forward these ideas in a way that appeals beyond those new members of the Labour Party to the electorate as a whole who have concerns about security of the nation for example he's talking about possibly having the successor submarines in the Trident system without nuclear weapons people look at that and say what's that about actually that's the Japanese system they talk about how in Japan there they have what is known as the bomb in the basement they're a non declared nucleus state but they could sort of arm themselves it with nuclear weapons within minutes if they needed to so that's what he's talking about sounds good in the Labor Party but he needs to sell that to the countries oh ah it's clear that a lot of what mr. carbon says has the support of the grassroots particularly the new ones that are joined the Labour Party it's equally clear that a lot of this does not have the support of the parliamentary Labour Party that's the the constant problem that has yet to be squared and I can't see a way that it will be squared and I don't think many of the Labour MPs can either I mean carbons problem and in a way it's an admirable one is that he's determined not to resign from things that he said in the past so for example on the Falklands he is being entirely consistent with what he was saying in interviews back in 2013 when he didn't actually matter and how he is now repeating those views the problem is that now Corbin does matter and actually we look at the Falklands the last time there was a vote of Falkland Islanders only three individuals voted to change the system of administration so he is way out of step with people living there on that one as well mr corbyn sets out his left-wing stall on these issues that's what he thinks and bit by big he's taking his time he's doing it as cutely he is taking the labour party in his direction that was part of the purpose I would suggest of this morning's interview yeah nobody can question his right and his political mandate to say what he says the question for me is how low is the labor vote floor now because if you go into a general election with a leader who says something like let's have the return of secondary picketing and that's not the most cockamamie idea in the manifesto he's also talking about renewing the Vanguard subs without having warheads on them I think you flirted with the idea of a so-called reasonable accommodation with the up with Buenos Aires over the Falklands if you go into an election on that ticket knowing that you have a white working-class base which is already flirting with you Kip how low can labour sink and for a long time I've believed as Isabel just said that no they can't get rid of him technically and constitutionally it's impossible but maybe politics is like water and it is finds a way to go around obstacles kind of these ideas of turn out to be very with the voters I think they'll turn out to be very popular with the the labor membership but every general election since 1983 would suggest to us over the last three decades that these ideas are outside the mainstream Jeremy Corbyn says no there is a new world out there I sort of tapped into that during my campaign thousands of people packing out those meetings well let's see you know we've got this electoral test in May let's see how these ideas go down outside the Labour Party we will indeed and we'll come back to that and more Oh Oh
European Union President Donald Tusk took a swipe at U.K. politicians who campaigned for Brexit without an idea of how to make it happen “safely.”
A day before Prime Minister Theresa May — who is trying to chart a course that satisfies pro-Brexit hardliners in her party — is due in Brussels for talks, Tusk slammed those who made campaign promises that made the divorce seem easy.
“I’ve been wondering what that special place in hell looks like, for those who promoted Brexit, without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it out safely,” he said at a press conference in Brussels with Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar. #Brexit
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I strongly believe that the common solution is possible and I will do everything in my power to find it a sense of responsibility also tells us to prepare for a possible fiasco by the way I've been wondering what the special place in hell looks like for those who promoted bracket without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it safely
Andrew Neil is joined by Conservative MP Gillian Keegan, former BBC presenter and now Change UK candidate Gavin Esler, Martin Daubney from the Brexit Party and the Daily Mirror’s Pippa Crerar.
it's Thursday is 12:15 we're live in Westminster with me today on politics live the form of BBC presenter Gavin as though he's standing for change UK in the European elections brexit party candidate Martin Dabney who used to be the editor of loaded magazine the political editor of the mirror paper paper career and Conservative MP Julian Keegan it's Europe day-to-day not a lot of people knew that but now you do and it's just two weeks to go to those elections foreign matter fight the European elections only labour can see off the Faraj snake-oil in this election liver of the first of three parties launching their European campaigns today that's for the Conservatives you may not even have a campaign I believe in a modern Conservative Party and a modern conservative party I'll tell you now we get things like this right so why is the Conservative MP Johnny Mercer on strike and will anybody notice meanwhile another Tory declares their interest in the top job now people have come forward and I have got that support so I will be going forward so Julian Keegan Johnny Mercer says he is going on strike except on exit issues that's just a futile gesture isn't it because your government government do anything but they're not as controversial perhaps as brexit so you've got no legislation worth talking about you're not putting a through Parliament on the domestic abuse bill committee as we speak Tuesday but there is legislation and of course we've got the cladding announcement today but there is legislation coming to but very slowly and obviously it's not big controversial stuff because bricks it is big enough and controversial enough for all of us he's going on strike as he puts it I'm not sure we'll be taking a pickup but he's going on strike governor's there to complain about the government is still it is still possible that veterans I think particularly in Northern Ireland going way back 20 30 more years may still be charged with things that were supposed to have happened then is that something worth protesting about well I think this is one of the most sensitive areas possible you know we put people in combat we put them in harm's way and things sometimes go wrong people have to be held accountable for that but what I think the point that Johnny Mercer is making is you can't keep going on and on and on about it without reaching a conclusion and that is unfair so I mean you and I were Northern Ireland correspondents in the early days when I think you in the mid 70s early seventies you know there were things going on there which would never be allowed to happen no but in a sense nobody really knew what they were doing in these days so ordinary soldiers were sent into position yes which would not be allowed to happen today that's that's true but also on some occasions they shot people which they shouldn't have shot and now it's perfectly fair to say we need to look into that what is not perfectly fair is to keep going on and on and on and going back and back and back that doesn't mean to say you're not responsible for things you might have done when you're a young lad we are responsible for that but I talking about unfairness I think oh do you think I think the principles stand and and you know one that will certainly sit well with its constituents you know Plymouth is a big military town it's a big leaves town as well 60% libros down there and I wonder if this is a little bit of shenanigans going on you know to distance himself from a prime minister who seems like a dead woman walking and no doubt play out well with constituents and you know a lot of people believe that our former servicemen are being put through hell and they certainly believe that they need a voice in Parliament and I think his actions go down well locally the government often gives the impression that it's against all this happening that it doesn't want to open these cases but it still happens and we clear what government policy is and one of the key concerns when that was launched amongst veterans was that there would not be a statute of limitations which is obviously why many them feel that these cases are potentially open-ended and of course there was there was a charge it was a double murder charge wasn't the last month that soldier was relating double murder charge relation to the Bloody Sunday incident and the previous defense secretary Gavin Williamson who had who was a lot on behalf of veterans was suggested he was concerned about how that might play eyes and the suggestion for number 10 this morning is that there's no immediate end in sight to this consultation and obviously there's a lot of people right across the spectrum both those who feel that soldiers should have the confidence that they're going to be supported by their masters but also those who feel that it's important that they're nevertheless held accountable for their actions who think that it's right that this comes to confusion sooner rather than later do you think he can you you were PPS to the former defense secretary the most recent defense secretary should there be a statute of limitations I think there is a lot of people who are calling for a statute of limitations but the concepts Kevin said it is very tricky the consultation you know there's lots of responses come forward now and the government now has to come back with the proposal if acknowledged it doesn't work today it's kind of in ether I would imagine Johnnie's trying to influence the proposals that are coming forward and that's why he's come out with his stand now he has spoken about it a lot it's tricky it's tricky because you know you can't be above the law either and I think that's the balance they're trying to get what the you could you could and that's what a lot of the veterans are calling for let's hear what Johnny Mercer the Conservative MP had to say about this they are seething in the communities that I come from that they continue to be treated in this way by a government that ultimately on whose behalf they were acting at the time this isn't just about an ordinal and this isn't about a particular individual you've seen the work I've done on the Iraq historical allegations team this is about a a flaw in our system in this country that means our veterans get treated in an appalling way with which I'm simply not prepared to put up with anymore this is not a new issue no your government has been in power for nine years why can't you make up your mind well the consultation I was Pipper said was launched just just at the end of last year and their responses are coming there's no point doing a consultation you're not gonna listen to the answers and then and there'll be a breadth of views that will come forward no Johnny's got a lot of credibility clearly because he has been a serving soldier he served in I think Iraq and Afghanistan with neither of which I've done so he does have a lot of credibility and you know he's listened to on this issue as are many of the other military veterans in the Conservative Party who all seemed to be pretty much coming down in the same area as Johnny which is another example of the government this has been something that could have been dealt with any time over the last 40 years I mean it could have been just think of the last night and actually Johnny I think probably has done a lot to bring full with this issue as well you know in 20 2015 he was elected and he's certainly been a powerful voice for military veterans so he's done a lot the consultation launched last year there's no point doing that and then not listening to the answers they know it's not working well they absolutely acknowledging that so there will be some change it's also interesting though that a backbench conservative MP can say I'm going on strike on this issue but I'm not resigning the Tory whip I'm still taking my money and nothing happens every discipline is now non-existent I mean there are other it's a bit sad but we've had actually within years of this for two or three years of it we've got a prime minister going cap in hand to the Europeans and saying please give me more time we've had all kinds of shameful things and it's got to come to an end is not for sissies the hung parliament is because you're a prime minister called a general election which nobody wanted and she lost so that's why we've got majority I didn't happen I asked you the question before you were so rudely internet part across Parliament actually and about how brexit is has suck the oxygen out of everything over the last couple of years and you know we have this a week we have seen a bill banning live animals a circuit in circuses we've had Kew Gardens car parking charges I mean this is this is how our own piece is spending their time where you don't get nothing you have things like I just came back from New York every kid come up to me and said the Kew Gardens yeah but us seriously it's a serious point you have things like that social care green paper a massive issue facing countries needs to be resolved which is stuck in the pipeline and not only that this did the discipline of the government is seems to be crumbling Johnny Mercer isn't the first you've got Nick balls sitting there as an independent or iam he not quite sure where these parts the party or not as he's resigned but he's an independent conservatives who he will vote with the government on many of the governor's majority must be pretty close to zero now even with the DUP I think I think it is three or four but then for then to be honest the government majority is not short for a while if you're not doing anything it doesn't matter they told me the numbers for breakfast and she if she hasn't got them then we're not going anywhere indeed and you mentioned brexit I hope to escape it but clearly not today the Labour Party this morning in Medway launched its manifesto and it's a European election campaign mr corbyn who was there let's listen to what he had to say so far in those talks there's been no big offer and the red lines remain in place it's actually quite difficult negotiating with a disintegrate in government with cabinet ministers jockeying for succession rather than working for an agreement it is in the country's interest to try to get this sorted one way or the other but we can never accept the government's bad deal or a disastrous no deal so if we can't get a sensible deal along the lines of our alternative plan or a general election labor backs the option of a public vote on it so a big day for the Labour Party launching its election campaign for the European elections mr corbyn out there taking the campaign off so we'll now speaker to Labour about its election manifesto for the European elections well actually we want because for the first time ever in my career as a journalist which is reasonably long a party launching a campaign document has failed to put anybody up with whom we can discuss the labour election European manifesto that is quite a first I've got a whole list of questions here that I wanted to ask I could go through them now does the manifesto say that is labour a romaine party or a relief party would be nice to know that is fudging brexit causing labour votes have you farted again in this manifesto and so on Jeremy Corbyn said the local election show that the bricks that brexit needs sorting does the Labour manifesto sort brexit in Labour's eyes and so on and so on but there's no inter I suppose I could answer these questions myself but I'm only paid to ask them if that isn't unusual enough Julian Keegan we understand that your party the Conservatives might not even have a a European manifesto well I think it's pretty clear that we're relieved party we're pretty clear that we'd like to leave with a deal pretty clear that we would like to leave whilst keeping the economy which is doing unbelievably well if we write it but I mean yes that's what we stand for I mean that's what we are you gonna have a manifesto I don't know I'm not writing manifesto but that's clearly Conservative MP we are now beginning the European election campaign and you do not know if your party will have an election manifesto well it would be pretty simple to write it as it's pretty simple to write why not having Eve remain and they may do I don't know I don't know where they are or not I don't know for a minute to see where we are in politics Conservative Party is on this we've got labour who have produced an election manifesto though my understanding is a big chunk of it is done to do with Europe but they have but they can't put anybody up and we've got the Conservatives who are here they have put Julian Keegan up but she can't tell us whether the via Tory election manifesto this is unprecedented this was of course the election which the government did not want to and it's still saying not only now that it needs to go ahead that they don't want any piece to take their seats they seem to be living with this fantasy idea that somehow an agreement can be reached and the withdrawal act be put through Parliament before MPs take their seats at the end of the month knife I can't see that and of course on recess all this morning Andrea let's some announced that MPs are going off for a weeks recess at the end of this month we have three days before the European elections the week of the European elections whether suggesting they might bring back the withdrawal agreement withdrawal act and give MPs another vote but I just can't see a coherent being reached with labour in time to do that because there's no way the government is going to bring it back if it's going to be countered at every single turn by the Labour Party you said it would be easy to write the manifesto though it isn't yet written as far as we know but what would you manifesto actually say about leave if you had one ninety percent of conservative members of parliament have voted to leave with the withdrawal agreement okay so we've have a small group who haven't now unfortunately that's enough to stop it happening but mobile all the evidence we have is that most of your party party activists are against the mrs. Mayer's withdrawal agreement there could be I mean I've seen some of the polling with as certainly as you look at party membership they are certainly more and more for a No Deal or you know but for a deal that is it misses miss so you if you ever get around to writing this manifesto you've only got two weeks to do it would be fighting an election on a manifesto that the overwhelming majority of your conservative members don't like well they haven't you know it's difficult just to say where they don't like it or not and it's the same with these guys 600 pages that we draw lagrimas 597 pages if you read through in details it is actually a very sensible agreement in terms of trying to unravel a 45-year history with European Union when I say to people which particular bit of that don't you like they can virtually never answer it is a political declaration or what they think of a future deal where all the focuses so the actual withdrawal agreement if you remember your members are too thick to understand too thick but I wouldn't expect them to read it they've we've read it on their behalf which is why 90% of us I've agreed with it which is why the ceiling there is no enthusiasm for fighting an election on the may withdraw agreement in your party right there's no enthusiasm for fight in this election . we know it's going to be incredibly difficult for us we know that there will be obviously a very simple message on the lee side we can leave it out and no deal you know a kind of no Levin's brexit simple slogans will be back to you know the simple slogans of No Deal no it won't it won't project fear all of that will come back up and effectively what you're going to end up with is more division in the country more people not actually knowing the detail of what we're trying to do and this is much more complex than anybody standing on those platforms will will talk about in my view they never have they never mention the Irish backstop in the in their in the campaign they never mentioned No Deal even in the campaign now it seems to be a preferred position or a negotiating position this is all will be back to the you know the peddlers of simple brexit and it is not simple to do breaks it again it's only not as simple as we were told at the time this should be open season yeah the brexit party you the changed UK it's manna from heaven you know tours at the brakes authority because what we see from the outside world ordinary people look at politicians and look at politics and conclude right this is all broken you know Labour say today they were going to unite the country the contine unite their own party you know you got Lord of Darkness saying if you voted for brexit don't vote for labour you've got he's withdrawing that he it's on the series was given a statement to read out the withdrew it's it's all over the UK and it's being believed and what's happening here is that people look at this career politician and think if you can't get us to leave then maybe you should leave and that's what this whole revolution is about because I mean this is a hugely simplistic message and jillian is right about that and it's worse than a simplistic message it contains within it lies you have been lying about me in the past 24 hours your party has been lying you have lied in social media in saying that I believe that people who voted for brexit or village idiots I have never said it in post you said the TV top pieces who represent the Britain or tea or village idiot you lied look me in the eyes it is lied what I said was we need more experts in British politics which we need fewer we need excuse me Chris Grayling's we need people who know what they're talking about if I go to the dentist I go to somebody who knows what they're doing I don't go to someone who is a village idiot did you used to work in the news of the world so you can take that jolly good you lied and that's one of the reasons I'm in politics because you have lied about me yesterday he was challenged by – about – about polity activist standing for London one of whom is Pakistani guy was an Indian guy yesterday did you you said I think – the huff Huffington Post website the TV news must stop giving your time to the villages what I said what I said was that we need experts to negotiate trade deals we need experts who know what they're talking about and excuse me and the concept of balance as seen in the BBC and elsewhere I my the BBC I work for it for many years we've got to be very careful we can balance political opinions but you can't balance truth and lies you can't do that did you use the phrase villages I did used it because I'm talking Kings I was actually talking about Michael Gove saying we've had enough of experts and I said I've not had enough of expert Michael Gove and I go and have our teeth filled by an expert called Adventist we don't go to the village idiot that's what I said all right this is a lie okay well you've made that clear we chase the Huffington Post twisted your words and speaking of village idiots in the past three months the independent group has changed its name to change UK your logo was rejected by the Electoral Commission and won't appear in the ballot paper your Twitter account was hijacked by brexit ears to change it to the cringe UK party we don't know who your permanent leader is and you've had to drop some of your candidates in the first two days of adopting them and we're still better than a Conservative Party that's not a great track record it's not bad for two weeks look I've been involved in this for three months well I've hadn't been involved within three months I've been involved with it for two weeks and in a couple of weeks fighting election which nobody thought we were going to do we're trying to create a party I can tell you I was hugged by people in the tube this morning coming here that doesn't happen we don't talk to each other and there's no your wallets because they think that something is changing in British politics well people have changed the minds he changed his mind he voted remain a couple of years ago it's fine for him to know be a leaver you're quoted as saying that on Twitter okay I'll take your word you didn't he at the launch when your party was launched no nothing you were in right at the wasn't right but when we looked at that of the Chuco Munoz Liana supras and yourself avenge it come in they look like a people sort of bunch of sophisticated media savvy people honestly but in a way a lot of this not even getting the logo right it's almost like what we would tend to think of the UK party has become Andrew I would love to have a great logo but what I really want is a people's vote on all the things that you were talking about I think if it is such a great idea we should go to the polls and ask the people again because they've changed their minds people change in their minds and so you know I hands up logo they must a bite but it was on the ballot paper and use won't logo supplied it came through this morning well I'm I'm absolutely fine not having a logo but having principles that's why why if you're a remain supporter and particularly if you want a second referendum absolutely which is particularly with your party was why would you vote for the yours what seems to be a disorganized pop up party rather than the Liberal Democrats or the Greens who have an established track record or the SNP in Scotland I mean they're in favor of the Maine and I hope the remain vote is really really big but as you know it's technically not possible in these European elections given the time scale to form a kind of unified view between these parties I think change UK brings something different I think the people who started it were very brave they're not time servers within the Labour Party of the Conservative Party they jumped put the political careers in the line and I actually think that politics is totally broken in our country we've got people who argue where people who are and actually market where people who are utterly misleading and we've got people I'm sorry but who don't know what they're doing the incompetence of the Conservative Party the anti-business attitude of your former foreign secretary is is doing our country down and making us look because I've only been in politics for two years but I've spent three decades working in manufacturing industries in technology industries in airline industries in all the industries affected by brexit I understand it when I read it I completely understand it so I would take exception to that I'm not the only one many people understand how complex these businesses are and how much they were and how much they've been integrated over forty five years and those people are people like me who have chosen to take an approach to brexit which respects the fact that for 45 years we've been doing it a different way nobody kept a wiring diagram and we have to unravel it in a way that keeps our economy and keeps the jobs for people in this country strong so I absolutely take objection I'm not a career politician your career spout errs of information maybe but I have worked in all of these industries at the coalface I understand it perfectly and I will not be told by somebody who either wants a No Deal breaks it as though that's still people out there what's the shirt obviously the Koran out for real people and it's really politicians who are doing this trying to do something it's not simple doesn't your party have a manifesto because as Nigel said with four weeks old and it will come out after the elections until then we've now got one party that's published a manifesto but won't put anybody up to defend it another party that isn't publishing a manifesto and now a third party is going to publish its manifesto after the election we have we've gone down the others and wonders and breaks it and this election it's happening till then it's brexit the only party on that ticket there are three plus veteran remain there was only one party on their ticket offering a WTO No Deal calm brexit no such thing misleading you your policy is to leave on no deal on WT I will terms yes so to leave no deal yes without a deal yes the people didn't vote for that in the referendum well people we were told by those on the leave side there not only would there be a deal but actually would be a great deal it would be an easy deal it would be a piece of cake deal people voted on the assumption that there would be some kind of deal on that 10 or deal he said remain in the European Union or leave European Union and to a great many people that meant to get out now what it meant to get campaigning now we are telling ourselves it wasn't talking about the time David Cameron said quite clearly we were leaving the single market that was over and over again on television so that the constantly is why they Boris Johnson even Nigel Farage told us we would leave on a deal now you're telling is it's your party's policy that we leave on No Deal well after three years of trying to do a deal which it's been impossible because nobody can agree on anything because it's a hung parliament premise is the European Union of made quite clear where you used to be to go back to the morrow government to go back to them in several months time having left without a deal the same issues would still be on the table we'd still have to pay the due European before the Union divorce bill we'd still have to negotiate a trading relationship extra and not only that we'd have to be backstop and not only that but we'll be doing it from a position which compared to now much weaker negotiating position because we were already have left so it is unfair it is it is not I think as a representative of a party fair to your supporters of whom there are many who are disfranchise it disenfranchised with everything that's going on you and feel really and it's not just you know it's all the political parties it's across the spectrum and just listening to some of this now but this is why people are fed up with brexit because put on organs come on they want to vote for the fed up with this some do favor of the people's vote yeah are you in favor of what you think we should be allowed to vote but because we should the first love democracy first that's the point the Democratic Act has been passed and politicians refuse to put it into in recent days really quite firmly believe believe in leaving the European Union who say who are actually starting just in just a handful not many but who is starting to say well actually maybe the solution to this is the second referendum because if as you say the majority people want to leave and do we now know what on what terms that would be that would give people a clear choice now that's it that's a gamble remain I've got a wave behind them and you also know about the dodgy money okay let's just come into your party which you won't say until where's the source of that money dude you said it's dodgy well if it was upon you if I gave you 100 thousand pounds and thought you were a great party I would be boasting about it why is it that your donor isn't yes it will do clear why is it that your donor is so ashamed of you they don't say oh well why don't they say who they are good because you say you ashamed of that situation coming from but coming back to this issue of a second referendum given that every prominent spokes man and woman on the leave side told us that we would leave with a deal you're not telling as you want us to leave without a deal surely that would require a second referendum because it's very different from what was voted on in 2016 we could argue that forever but you know many people believe many people believe that they voted just to get out of the European Union many people have interpreted it differently such line but the point is we have a bunch of politicians and civil servants going to Brussels to do a deal after three years and the general public out there see this as incompetence and they say that as people that need to are at least just a hung parliament won't pass it the residue cavernosa can I just I've got the full quote now of what you said you said TV news must stop giving your time to the village idiots of breakfast brexit thank you our breakfast I thank you my breakfast with villages anyway TV news must give stop giving your time to the village idiots a brexit jubie's would you be quiet while I get this the dubious right-wing supposed think tanks and quotes and pseudo experts yes among ERG MPs who simply happen to clue what the implications of brexit no but this is a lie it was not photos it's absolutely clear you select if you like but you are doing and I do it again I just say it's quite difficult Gavin as long as you you know for an organization that the BBC the MPs who represent the ERG their elected members of parliament no I have a legitimate point absolutely couldn't no no I'm not not to not have them what I'm saying is we want people with expertise to be challenged and about their expertise and you have expertise and there's plenty but all right everybody people have said some things which are clearly not true okay well the FAC use Asians of lying final around being like American television these days on fox or MSNBC so I think let's go where let's go to Transylvania I'm not being there for a while not since I was thirsty uh and let's go to the EU summit because it's taking place in Transylvania reporter Adam Flemming is there Theresa May is not because this is just the eu27 is about the future of the EU Adam what what do we have any indications of how they see a post brexit future well first of all Andrew this summit was wrapped up two years ago by jean-claude juncker who originally wanted it to happen on the day after the original brexit day so it was meant to be the 30th of March some people had a quiet word of them and said do you really want to have that sort of triumph or this victory party sort of vibe let's do it on Europe Day in May instead which is where in some countries in the EU have a public holiday to celebrate the EU and here we are of course the UK still hasn't left so it's still not quite gone to plan and what is quite amazing actually is that even though Teresa May isn't here Steve Berkeley the brexit secretary has been attending a different conference about the future of Europe in this city about 10 minutes walk that way so if you wanted to be charitable it's proof that the two UK and the EU will still face the same challenges so they can still come to the same city to discuss them if you're being less charitable you'd say the big boys and girls sit around the table here and the UK is relegated to a venue outside the secure zone but in terms of what the 27 are talking about they've just issued the so-called CBU declaration which is 10 commitments don't call them Commandments about the way forward and they look very much like commitments that they had in the past acting as one EU uniting north south east and west acting where you need to not where you don't need to being a strong actor on the global stage looking after citizens and being fair and having fairness at the heart of everything you do all very much motherhood and apple strudel but the reason they've signed up to those 10 very grand quite bland commitments is because they want this to send out a big symbol and a big message to voters across the EU who will be voting in the European Parliament elections in about two weeks time and the message is we are the sensible ones who sit around the table and discuss problems like adults look at those nasty populist and nationalists who don't want the table to even be here in the first place item thank you for that enjoy yourself there don't go out at dark unless you've got plenty of garlic I don't want to read about you Adam there the EU summit as they try to work out the future of Europe with the European Parliament a new commission coming in new budget round as well in Europe we're coming back to dear Blighty to look at the future if it has one of the Conservative Party and we're joined now by the times Collins Melanie Phillips was written on the Sun about that just before we come to Melanie let's go another leading conservative if I can put it that way has thrown her hat into the ring to be the future conservative leader this one's esta make V I think she's Chief Secretary to the Treasury let's see what she had to say we don't know yet when that there will be with if there will be but there will be a little Tory leadership contest will you be throwing your hat in the ring well I've always said quite clearly if I got enough support from my colleagues yes I would and now people have come forward and I have got that support so I will be going forward there we go so that's about three or four declared so far but there's about another 10 or 12 that we pretty sure are running I mean I guess Boris Johnson I mean I know I may be out on a limb there Dominic Raab there many others there I mean there could be 1520 people in this what about you Julian you fancy just show you the names here better Rigby the new political editor aside McVeigh let some Stewart they probably could put their hat in the ring then we have Johnson Javid Hancock hunt Rob perhaps golf Harper cleverly modern now so Louis who have I missed you think Melanie Phillips there's no real conservative party these days that's worth leading well if I wrote in The Times and then proportion the Sun I think that the crisis facing the Conservative Party which is clearly you know bricks it is in everyone's minds but I think it goes deeper I think the Conservative Party in the minds of many conservatively minded voters has forgotten what it is it has to conserve it has I think been spooked by the cultural hegemony of the left over many years has adopted their positions on many in many respects and as a result I think the whole center of political gravity has changed so we now the Labour Party occupying ground which hitherto was considered to be the hard lift and we have the Conservative Party occupying a kind of mushy ground which is in fact the soft lift leaving a total hole where the Conservative Party is enter Nigel Farrar who is simply a one-issue person and so there is a crisis I think of conservatism I should just correct myself as some maybe he's not chief secretary to the Treasury she resigned from the government so just to get that on the record do you thinking what you say to that well you know I don't have the same ideological frame I think that Melanie has and maybe that's because you know I grew up in nosey I left school at 16 I became a natural conservative then we're not many conservative influences around me some of the ideologies you talk about a bit of a luxury for me so you know I started an apprenticeship in a car factory and what made me conservative I still think is what the Conservative Party is and will be its strength which is equality of opportunity you know you might miss out on the school side hopefully you don't but if you do I went to a failing comprehensive school you get the chance at an apprenticeship or in a grammar school you get a quality of opportunity you get that support to make the most of your opportunities when you have when something goes wrong in your life and you need that support it's there for you and it provides the support you need so I didn't study political political philosophy and you know I struggle to keep up with you on the moral maze sometimes but I don't frame it in that way what I stand for I believe is the future of the Conservative Party and it is where I believe also is the future of UK and politics and most people in this country and not on the extreme of trying to overturn democracy or trying to pretend that things aren't very slow you say melanism extremism probably somewhere that is not cool not where I am but probably further right than I am but there's probably an awful lot we could agree on and the framing of it is perhaps some thought all right let me ask most of the likely contenders to be next leader is there anybody that for you embodies the kind of conservatism you would want not what I've seen not at all yep so from your point of view range there it's hopeless even 15 names not one of them appeals certainly so far that has been the case I don't know I mean it may be that some that some of these candidates have maybe you just like Peter Hitchens you're just a party of one maybe I am but I think there are millions who actually think like me and I think that the way they have voted in recent years what breaks it and so on and the sort of responses I get verbally personally what I see being expressed by people I think many people are like me see what you've just said I don't disagree with at all okay call it I think many are like me but what I'm saying just to take a quality opportunity it seems to me that mrs. Mays government and going back before mrs. Mays government has ditched a quality opportunity for the way in which the left interprets equality which is identical T in other words everyone's entitled of the same outcomes regardless of circumstance and we saw this in mrs. Mays 2017 race equality audit where the implication or the assumption of that was that if people from ethnic minorities suffer disadvantages they had nothing to do with that it was done to them and it was the state that had a duty to repair that now that is the general nature to inform policy agenda of the left that is a departure to have a role in ensuring that there is opportunity for everybody regardless of race provide opportunity but not to rig the system according to an idea of who deserves the qualities built into the system and that's just a fact and that applies across the board it could be it could be a class thing it can be you know your ethnic background it can be whether you're a woman there's all sorts of different factors and I think it's only right that any government recognizes those structural inequalities and tries to do something about them everybody needs to say it to be offered to be have the opportunity to the same starting point for sure then do with that this is of course up to them and I think you're misinterpreting for sure yes naturally by suggesting that it's all about where they all end up because actually it's about giving people the the push that they need and the opportunity they need to fulfill their potential recognizing structural inequalities that exist well means that some might need a bit more help than others I think you make a very good point but my point is that the left tends to rob people of what I would call moral agency that is to say the idea that they have some responsibility for their own circumstances so the left goes overboard in assuming that they are helpless victims of circumstance whether its economic or whatever they don't get this alright let me just come back to the we've just been showing your article in the Sun she says a version of the column that was in The Times do you think if there is this enormous hole where conservatism used to be which is the headline in your article and the Sun that we're up for realignment will the brexit party change UK are they going to produce a realignment in British politics well I'm not sure that the brexit party is going to be the vehicle to do anything apart from deliver a vote on BRICS it but I do think that the circumstances mean that Britain is ripe for political realignment the old distinction between left and right has for years completely broken down I think that what divides us are now completely different things from the things that formed our current political population and social media have had a massive impact I would say is more like oh are we heading for a realignment I mean if you listen to this debate you would think so but still it won't solve the problems that they are pretending they're going to solve so if it is it will be temporary because they don't have the answers and neither deliver happening all across Europe I think we will see some socialist to the right we've come to an end above the hubbub I'll be on BBC one tonight with this week Michael potato rule is Kendall Rachel Johnson Jared batten Tim Marshall in fact just about everybody
Could it be that Remainers are suffering from some sort of Brexit Anxiety Disorder or BAD for short?
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Now there’s a psychological malady for you. A condition based on Remainers feeling done down by all those leave voters.
And according to politico.eu, getting angry is not working for Remainers, so it’s time to see a shrink! So they put Remainers on the couch and said the results of Brexit Anxiety Disorder are not pretty.
“They are acting no differently to what psychologists would expect from those suffering from chronic anxiety caused by loss of control and insecurity, Dr. Philip Corr, professor of psychology and behavioural economics at the University of London, and Dr. Simon Stuart, a clinical psychologist, told POLITICO.”
And the article goes on to say that:
“According to Corr and Stuart, this emotional response is “standard psychological stuff.” To find solace and some level of security amid the disorder, Remainers are following a well-trodden path to polarized group think, dismissing their social “inferiors” who voted for Brexit as stupid, racist and easily misled.”
And the more that Remainers talk and rage about it, the more they will wind themselves up.
Maybe they just need to calm down and relax a bit more.
Anyway, next time you see a wound up Remainer, please be pleasant and polite, and just ask if they’re feeling a bit BAD today?
As Nigel Farage found out, being a Brexiteer is risky enough on terra firma, but up there in the sky it’s much more dangerous.
First we had Nigel Farage crashing to earth and getting injured when the ‘plane he was in nose-dived into the ground while towing an election banner on the day of the 2010 general election.
Now we have former Brexit minister Steve Baker being forced to resort to his reserve parachute when the main ‘chute failed during a skydive in Portugal.
“Pleased my reserve parachute… worked as advertised after a main malfunction last week,” he said on Instagram. “Emergency landing on nearby golf course perfect, next to clubhouse. Wished you were there etc.”
To all Brexiteers, stay safe – keep your feet planted firmly on the ground!
Now, according to that arch-Remainer, Lord Adonis, the Labour Party would be finished if it went into a snap general election backing Brexit.
Well, he would say that, wouldn’t he.
But he is basing it on a new poll that suggests that Labour’s support relies heavily on voters who favour Remain.
The YouGov poll of 4,900 people conducted for the anti-Brexit group ‘Best for Britain’ and ‘Hope Not Hate’, said that The Tories would be ahead of Labour by four points if Labour backed Remaining in the EU, but if Labour backed Brexit then the Tories would have a huge nine point lead over Labour.
Also, the poll indicates that a Brexit backing Labour Party would lose votes to the Lib Dems to the extent of ten points.
“If Labour becomes an accomplice to Brexit, it is finished.” Said Lord Adonis.
The trouble is that there are many working class Leave voters that may well jump ship if the party takes Remain as its new policy. And there are also the Labour Brexiteer MPs to consider, but you have wonder if they will find themselves de-selected by the time of any election – even a snap one.
Finally, what of the party leader himself? Jeremy Corbyn does seem to have been very quiet on Brexit these days.
But it seems that the Labour Party needs his name at the helm, even if he does favour the leave argument – but I wonder how long that will last.
But funnily, both the Tory and Labour Party leaders actually look quite secure in their jobs at present. Not because of what they are or are not doing or supporting, but because a leadership election in either camp would probably be disastrous for their respective parties right now.
The leader of Best for Britain, Eloise Todd, said:
“…it’s time for the opposition to give people what they want: a clear choice on Brexit between leaving and staying and reforming the EU, not a fudged deal that works for Westminster elites and no one else.”
Now, I’ll agree with her that the Chequers deal is a fudge. But I cannot agree that ‘staying and reforming the EU’ is an option. It is not.
Apart from the referendum result itself, the UK cannot reform the EU! And no-one has ever shown me how the UK can reform the EU.
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I’m very surprised. We’re here in what I was told repeatedly is the home of European democracy, and so, surely, we could have taken the opportunity this morning to celebrate the Dutch referendum last week in which the people said No to EU enlargement, No to the deal with the Ukraine. And no doubt had it been Turkey an even bigger number of people would have said No to Turkish accession.
So it was a victory for democracy, but in paricular it was a victory for a little organisation called Geenpeil, a group of young bloggers who managed to get together 427,000 signatures.
So it was a victory as well for direct democracy – and this in the week when we remember that Gianroberto Casaleggio, the genius behind the 5-Star Movement in Italy, has died.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is new politics. And yet, we were told by Mr Juncker that if the Dutch voted No it would be a disaster. But he hasn’t mentioned it today at all. And indeed your predecessor Mr Van Rompuy, my old mate, says we should carry on lively.
So what we’re seeing is the big battalions of vested best interest doing their best to completely ignore the will of the Ducth people.
Well, I think that things are changing. I don’t believe these institutions can survive 21st Century technology. I think the will of the people is changing politics in a way that makes all of you in this room deeply fearful – and so you should be.
And as we in the united Kingdom enter the final countdown of our referendum, all eyes are on this Turkish deal. And I think what we see is, we see the bosses of the EU bowing and scraping before Mr Erdogan who gleefully walks all over you, tramples over human rights at every level – and for Mr Juncker to tell us this morning that we’re making progress!
Let’s just examine that.
1.8 million people have come to the EU in the last eighteen months and we’ve sent back 300. It doesn’t sound, sir, that it’s going very well to me.
The one group that will be pleased though are ISIS. They have now managed to put 5,000 of their operatives into the European continent, according to the boss of Europol – something that should send a shiver down our collective spines.
I have to say that in the end, I think it’s what the British referendum will turn on. I think we will vote for Brexit, and the reason is we’ll vote to put our own safety first.
It is going to be as it was in the Netherlands last week – a battle of people vs the politicians. You may have the big money and the big businesses and Goldman Sachs, but we’ve got our armies of bloggers, and in the end the people’s will is going to prevail. This place won’t survive.
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I was actually very much in tune with your last caller last week but then I had a friend that turned around to me and said and she's you know she's very much a remainer she said resist this if this goes to a No Deal by default I need my medicine and I could die so does this make me as reckless as the Harper Exeter's yeah cannot actually go I mean I'm torn I'm absolutely torn of course I wanted people vote and of course I want to remain well if it does float the boat it raises the possibility of night we did you actually last night with a tweet from i retweeted Ed Vaizey who said I know it harms the country but we voted for it you asked what what do I want my Empty to do I want my MP to be an MP and I want him or her you know to do what's best for this country well that's not voting for the withdrawal agreement is it or is it if the alternative is what's best for the country to remove the possibility of no deal or to hang in there for the arrangements we currently have which everybody agrees including both Johnson brothers are superior to the arrangements we'd have under the terms of this deal to talk about this being a compromise deal for remainer there is nothing in here for remainders nothing well yeah obviously that's a disaster but it's a lot for everyone but in terms of actually not cutting off both our legs it's good it's been on the table since the minute the result came in you saw these idiots start trying to covering their back before the ink was dry on the ballot papers claiming this and claiming that and disowning disowning that bus before midnight on their own the night of them but they're just charlatans are lies and the problem that people like you and me have is we sit there waiting for them to admit the scale of their con because we would but they never will mate never you
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Lord and return this is Labour Party candidate for the European elections and a Labour Party appear and he joins us now good morning to you Andrew good morning do you have introduced me as Ramona in chief we are in election put and quite rally I'm a very very big fan of this Ofcom rule where we don't have physical bias ahead of Elections we let the candidates speak for themselves which i think is like the right thing to do I'm delighted to be known as the remain in chief because you know that's what I am okay all right election is that remain comes through democratically after a referendum with an option to remain okay can I try ask you then I'll as the candidate for the Labour Party in one of the regions so what is Labour's brexit policy today on any Tory deal and it's the flank there isn't going to be any other deal we stand for a referendum with an option to remain now it's true that we're holding out the possibility there might be a general direction but you know I don't think the conservative employees are going to be turkeys basically Christmas so I don't see a general election coming soon but of course if one came I'd welcome it the other option is that there was some kind of a deal between labour and the Conservatives and the the Prime Minister offered talks to the Labour Party a month ago now about some possible arrangement now in the public interest obviously if the government and the prime minister asks the opposition to engage in conversations about a compromise I think it's our duty to engage in those conversations this also has been clear to me that the only compromise I think is viable and has be viable all the way through it's an agreement whereby trays and maize deal which i think is a terrible deal 39 billion that we pay to the European Union for less good trade economic terms and we've got know-how but the deal could be to agree that deal in Parliament subject to it going to a referendum with an option to remain and then I and virtually the entire labor party would be campaigning for Romania in that referendum I think that could be a possible I think that could still be a compromise but at the moment to resume hasn't been offering it you say virtually all them even just looking at just in the last few few weeks in terms of senior members of the Labour Party speaking on this issue Tom Watson the deputy leader of the party only yesterday said labour is a remain and Reform Party only recently Barry Gardner shadow international trade said labor was not a romaine party now you yourself only recently said you know if your leave ohter don't don't vote for don't vote for our party don't there's no point with we are a remain party now but who's right well if you if you chose 10 Labour Party members at random you would find that nine of them were in favor of staying in the European Union if you chose 10 Labour MPs at random you'd find that nine of them in favor staying in the European Union there are always people who have different views on all big issues but the overwhelming majority of labour members and Labour MPs are in favor of remain but we're also Democrats and that's the reason why the view that we take you know in out three years after the referendum of 2016 where the hold of respective thing is unraveled the view that we take is that the Democratic thing now is to do what Jacob we smoked himself said that we should do originally which is to hold the dual referendum one on the opening of negotiations which is what happened three years ago to see what terms we could get what we've essentially been doing as a country for the last three years and that list resume is seeing what those terms would be those terms a dreadful 39 million for let's go trade in economic terms then we've got at the moment in the EU now that we can see that it's like conducting a survey for a house we've been conducting the survey we now know that the roof is caving in that there's dry rot that we've got the neighbors from hell in Boris Johnson and Jacob Riis Morgan Nigel flage and the right thing to do is not to proceed with the sale and that's I think the view of most people in the labour party now but you've changed your mind since becoming an electoral candidate you of course never stood for election before Europe you're an unelected peer but it's a bit you were effectively forced to apologise for saying so I wouldn't if I I wouldn't vote Labour if you want to stop brexit I mean the reality realities you've been forced to recant by effective my Seamus Milner jeremy corbyn's chief aide haven't you no that's not fair what what I said was I supported the party policy and of course what is what is the packet what is the party policy it's the party policy what was in the manifest at the last election or is it what was agreed at the party conference last Auto well the party policy is what was agreed at the National Executive Committee two weeks ago which is that there will be a referendum on any Tory deal with an option to remain but and let's get all this out there that we would like there to be a general election as I say I don't think the real world is going to be a general election because that would involve more EMPs being realistically a Tory a Labour Tory deal no one thinks that's going to happen which case there isn't going to be general election there isn't then going to be a second referendum zone all right no net the regeneration there isn't going to be a revised bill which we've said then that just leaves a Tory deal there wasn't going to be any other deal and therefore the policy is by elimination that you end up with a referendum of an option to the main and I'm completely comfortable without policies I think it's in the national interest three years on from the last referendum now that we can see what the brexit prospectus is which is that we'd be paying thirty nine billion for a really terrible you know fewer jobs and all that so I think the policy is is it's fine and I say bring on this second referendum and what Tom what sermons and care stammer and most of my colleagues have been saying is what you'll get with labour which is a second referendum with an option to remain and I think you know with the poll showing that now more than 60 percent at the British people given what the brexit terms would be want to stay in the EU I think we would we would win that second referendum well again you quoted not oppose a recent weeks in interviews and you said again you know most people want to remain again I that's not what the polls are saying and even the likes of John John professor John Curtis is said that's that is not a fair description of people's views if you give them all of the options that's likewise it's not fair to say that people are mostly in favor of No Deal again if you give people all the options that's not the case but you've also said have you not that you know the majority said yes so the great majority of people want a second referendum well where have you found that in a poll the repeated poles are shown she wants a second referendum heated polls are showing said that is simply not the fair reading of the polling I know it is they substantially more than that than than half of the electorate when asked repeatedly wants her once a second referendum with an option to remain what is true that people who want brexit where you're completely right judo is that people want brexit are divided some of them want to resume to deal and some of them what's called No Deal and what John says we talk about all the options being on the table and the picture being more complicated is that the the leave vote does break down into two very different groups into those who would be prepared to go with some form of soft grexit like to raise a maize deal and those led by Nigel Faraj who just want no deal that's absolutely true but what they all show is that once you take account of them all of the options the single most popular option by far is to remain in the EU and that's why I think we should do okay again the polling I have to say I think impulse has been quite clear about this this is not my personal opponent simply does not bear out that statement now um you have expressed a lot of criticism of a labor policy when it count in the past when it comes to issue breaks but also also the issue of Jeremy Corbyn um given that the Labour Party didn't do very well in the local elections when it should have been winning seats at this time the electoral cycle it was actually losing seats nothing like as badly as the Tories admittedly but they are already in power Jeremy Corbyn of course could get about say if a Labour Party do do unexpectedly well with me perhaps to remain vote going for the Labour Party and next Thursday would you be comfortable don't should be supporting a Labour government led by Jeremy Corbyn given your own criticism in the past about Jeremy Corbyn on his views on brakes and indeed on the accusations that he is anti-semitic where we United party and we will go into an election United we're much the Conservative Party which at the moment is at sixes and sevens and is just about to eject its leader I respect Jeremy called in his had been a bold and courageous leader he led the party to a big advance last general election and on the big social and economic questions he speaks to this sense of alienation and and real real deep concern about austerity which is gripping the country now that's not to say that I agree with him on everything he doesn't agree with me on everything but then you know you'll never find two people in politics who agree on everything but it's the labor family the labor coalition are we broadly united on fighting brexit and broadly united on wanting a progressive social democratic labour government we are and even when it comes to issues like nationalization I think the public mood is changing either the first transport secretary 10 years ago – you know living transport secretary to nationalize a railway line remember win the East Coast Main Line went belly-up because the private sector couldn't deliver on its contracts I nationalized it some people think that's very left-wing thing I think it's a very pragmatic thing where the private sector fails the public sector should move in and we need a stronger public sector in our country at the moment and we also need more fairness and I think more fairness means could you please just because time is against us or don't could you tackle the issue Jeremy Corbyn anti-semitism you yourself have written articles in which you've criticized the Labour leadership over his failure to tackle the issue of anti-semitism in his particular the fetish tackle he calls the root cause of the reason why MPs left to form the change UK party all you are you confident that Jeremy Corbyn would be a fit and proper prime minister of this country given your own criticisms of him over anti-semitism and he so much should not be in 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it's Wednesday it's 11:15 and we're live in Westminster joining me conservative MP Sam Jima Green candidate for the European elections Molly Scott Cato economics commentator from the New Statesman grace Blakely and Hedo forks reporter Tom Harwood today with Teresa may's days as leader numbered at least some cabinet ministers are being straight to the point yes I am seriously considering standing the current prime minister will face Jeremy Corbyn at p.m. queues at noon the brexit party can draw a crowd but our aunty brexit parties like the greens on a roll our politics is paralyzed and people are ready for something new and what's been going on behind closed doors in Brussels well straight to the point let's have a deeper look at this film on BBC for this evening brexit behind the scenes it's been following g4 hofstadt she was a senior figure in the European Parliament and his team during the brexit negotiations a clip that you're about to see starts with a conversation between the Tory BRICS two-tier MP Andrew Rosendale when he visits mr. hofstadt United Kingdom as a free trading seed-bearing outward-looking global nation want to box ourselves a decision and I say again Britain will not be imposing of order so you would have to the EU with harm people of Arlen I'm hosing this part holder yes it's kind of better batter we will don't want the back it has already reels have it [Laughter] the chicken in a drawer that comes in from a cane no standards you're gonna follow your ports well I think it's gonna just reflects the brexit debate in in many ways for example of the EU side not really understanding where Brits are coming from in on the British side not really understanding where the EU side coming from on the specific issue of the Irish border that we want to come out and take control of our borders but don't want the other side of a border and on the EU side saying yes we're not going to have a border but if you go out without a deal there is gonna be a border and this looks like there's a contradiction in more than one way there but it's interesting to his language and his mannerisms I wouldn't say it's his it's the language and the body and simile of international diplomacy right that's a subtle way of putting it how do you feel about watching that Tom Harwood and the sort of the idea of having a pop at the the British government and resume well I think the most interesting part of that whole discussion was the bit right at the beginning when they heard the words said by to resume that we're not afraid to leave with no deal and they took that they were shocked surprised and afraid of that notion that was our strongest card and the idea that we've now taken that away is such a sad sad position to be in because it really detracts are negotiating clout but on the point of the animosity shown towards our elected politicians by the unelected EU bureaucrats it's astounding isn't it it's astonishing that they have such contempt for the people of Britain is it that is about astonishing well I'm sure you know that Gifu hosta is elected as a former prime minister of belgium so he's hardly a bureaucrat and he is also somebody that's known to be pretty you know keen on histrionics so I think that's what we saw there but obviously our relationship with our European neighbors has been damaged by not just the vote for brexit but the fact that politicians in this country promised the impossible and the level of irresponsibility that's been shown here I'm afraid is very much diminished our reputation because we had a very high reputation as being good at politics and that is severely damaged what was clear about who was in that room was that there was almost no one in that room that was in any way representative of the vast majority of people in this country you had someone in there saying Britain as a seafaring outward-looking nation walking back to kind of several centuries ago when we had an empire so that's what we should be aspiring to then you had the rest of the kind of bureaucrats in that room saying basically kind of being fairly disdain which perhaps for those well everyone in the negotiating team and I think a lot of people were looking at that and looking at the posture that responded was not the correct way to deal with those issues so you know be you is there looking after its own interests fair enough the UK is that where the government that you know sees itself is looking after its own interests who is there speaking for the vast majority people are going to be affected by this decision I think you make a good point what I think we should caution you look brexit is huge it is emotional and we've got to the stage where everyone on the other side is hugely suspicious of someone on the opposite side paranoid and their motives are not righted it you have it between levers and Romania's here and you have it between the UK and the EU I think it is because the stakes are very high for all of us and it's very easy for us to it gives a blame game of have you seen whether European said about us my god we also see lots of things about the Europeans you know they did of course they were on camera I mean what's interesting is that Michel Barnier often said during the negotiations we want to remain good friends jean-claude Juncker said the same we've got to keep relations alive you know Sam Jima has said diplomatically it's not a good look you want to remain in the EU can we really put this thing back together when you watch that sort of stuff well obviously this is TV you know they've created a they've blown up a conflict in order to keep people watching there's an awful lot of activity that's still very supportive and where there's a lot of solidarity showing we as any piece for example cross-party to try and keep good relations with the EU but it really doesn't happen when we've seen ministers here being offensive about the European ministers and and governments and I think that's been very problematic but of course we have to put it back together because we're going to be a part of Europe they're going to be our our closest trade partner and our closest neighbors right I mean and that's the point isn't it wrong it has come from both sides if there had been a similar series and there have been behind the scenes but directly about the thoughts of British politicians on EU politicians and bureaucrats as Grace was saying but Michele Barney I say Britain is an old car that they want to restore and there is a certain amount of mockery of the dancing queen by Teresa May she dances on to the conference stage do you think that's just fair really I think it's a bit strange this vision that they have of Britain is an old car we're growing faster than Germany which is growing at nought point five percent we're growing at one point three percent of the EU latest projections we're growing faster than Italy than France you know we're actually doing really well and the idea that Europe is somehow our saving grace is that they're the only people that can fix the things that are wrong in this country is ludicrous you look at the living standards of people on the continent it's far worse than here and we can do a lot better job by ourselves it's really a question of whether the reasons for brexit grew out of our relationship with the EU or out of the problems we had here I mean for me after the financial crisis the burden of repaying that was actually placed on the poor rather than the well was it yes because we should have had higher taxes for the rich cutting welfare spending for the poor we've had a series of tax cuts Tom you know that as well as I do all right and actually this point about UK is doing really well and the rest of Europe is not is actually most of Europe including the UK is not doing particularly well we've had this secular stagnation of productivity we in the UK have appalling wage growth investment rates across the whole continent are poor and a lot of that has does have to do with our relationship with the rest of the European situation integrate in our asymmetric way into the European economy and certain parts of our country and certain sectors have been damaged by that relation I'm going to interject because we're going to talk about employment levels later on in the program but I'm going to welcome the Liberal Democrat MP Vera hob house and hello to you the Lib Dem has had something of a revival in the local elections with a strong performance and a good base probably for the European elections the Greens also well in the locals both are remain parties Vera we're going to talk to you in just a moment because the Greens have launched their European elections campaign today we're going to hear Sean Barie co-leader of the Green Party who starts with a pop at the Lib Dems saying vote green not the Lib Dems the co architects cost arity whose period in government is not forgotten and a direct cause of the mess we're in right now the greens are the strongest most united pro-eu party on the ballot the Greens have any piece in three UK regions compared with one for the Liberal Democrats a huge growth in strength and support since 2014 point to Greens making gains across the country there you heard sean barie there why vote for the Liberal Democrats when you can vote for them well we have just shown a very very strong local election result as are they we have absolutely and I am know no one to sort of have a pop at the greens because actually in many many areas we work very well together we should have a fully proportional system in the European elections as most countries have in this country we don't because it's been actually rigged by the Labour Party in Tony Blair so that we've got regional lists and that makes it more difficult to be fully proportional if we had fully proportional representation we wouldn't need to have these pops at each other but as it is unfortunately often the smaller parties feel the need to sort of establish themselves I put it all down to the rubbish voting system and I know that the Green Party and the Liberal Democrats are not fully together here but to say sorry just to interact how you may dismiss the voting system but it is the one that currently exists so at the moment you're going to have to sort of live with it and you've got the green saying don't vote for the Liberal Democrats were the co architects of austerity you're both remain parties so for the Greens well what we are saying is of you saying vote for the Liberal Democrats because actually we are the much bigger party we have got that much better organisation we have made much bigger progress and we just do firmly there as the third party in this country so you know if you're looking at who can actually get the most votes it's probably the Liberal Democrats and so we are we are having best chances all right we also you know we we have thrown off now finally that sort of cloud of the coalition government we are a party that's firmly back on the agenda so absolutely people should put their trust in the Liberal Democrats but the people who we need really need to get out and stop this rubbish em dingdong between the two main parties is actually em compete against the tourists and the Labour Party right well I mean we're looking ahead now to the European elections where there is a form of proportional representation so what do you say in response to Vera Day are the biggest party they did very well in those local elections I'm not sure in terms of membership numbers we're getting a person joining us every three minutes so our memberships increasing rapidly we have three tonnes as many counselors now as we did before the elections on Thursday so they're extremely good results for us and it's right across my perch in the southwest for example in labour areas in conservative areas and I think people also vote differently in the European elections from how they vote in local elections but I think we're feeling very positive we're buoyed up by a launch this morning because we've got the best position on the three main issues of the day we're clear on remain and wanting to stay in the European Union we're also for strong action on climate and as that rises up the agenda that is also bringing voters to us but I think the third one is what I was mentioning before the fact that we realised the importance of addressing social inequality and the unfairness we've had in our country which gave people the reason to vote the brexit era I would say I mean look at our record we are now running 10 councils we've got a long experience in actually being in government running good local council so when it comes to actually making good decisions to Liberal Democrats are always a good go to party we are also party very well experienced in actually working together which is a very important part and I find it disappointing if they if the Green Party is actually sort of misunderstanding who their real enemies are I think we should actually work much more closely together in order to make sure we're getting the main parties who are our real enemies on brexit out of the European Parliament and make sure that we're having together a very strong I'm showing and I always believe in doing better together that so when I listen to the debate of the previous debate about who who's doing better better in Europe this country that country surely the whole point is that we're all doing better together so it is about learning to cooperate being actually obviously there there competition of ideas but actually we are best together and the the green party putting up a sort of difference a big difference between us and them I think it's very unhelpful because really it is about making sure we are fighting brexit you're being very unhelpful who's your real enemy well we definitely look definitely not enemies but we are competing for votes so much as I like their I have to say I want people to vote green rather than the Liberal Democrat that's how elections work but I also think it's important to say that we are gaining a lot of votes also from people who would previously have voted labour and are terribly disappointed with the way Labor's dealing with brexit so I'm very confident we're going to do well in the elections I mean we are sadly very in competition great I think it's interesting that the Green Party is suddenly now the big party remain given that they themselves committed to having a referendum on European membership in their 2015 manifesto but either way you know this narrative about the Lib Dems surge across the countries I think slightly overall given the what in most of those seats what we've seen is very low turnout particularly MUNs conservatives and the Libyans have recovered what was a very very poor performance when all of these seats were last fought and in terms of whether or not we're seeing a remain backlash across the country we have a very easy test as the whether or not that is true coming up very soon in what is a much more proportional system which will be taking place across the country rather than in 300 largely conservative seats and we're seeing already actually the this narrative that everyone is suddenly you know terrified about brexit it is not true that blacks apart is surging largely on the back of the views that the people that have been tasked with managing this process had done so completely uncomfortably and not in the interest of ordinary people Baron Hammond can I just come in yes in bath we had the best result ever for the first time we are actually having full overall control of the council we have made big inroads in North East Somerset which is Jacob Riis Limoges seat so you cannot tell us that we are just recovering we are making actually fabulous progress in particular areas we're having 37 out of 59 councillors in bath in North East Somerset that's progress are not just recovering Tom you look at somewhere like Chelmsford but voting to leave the Lib Dem vote compared to last time actually barely moved at all the Tory vote collapsed and therefore they gained two dozen councillors it's not true to say that this is a massive surge in Lib Dem support it's a collapse in support for the other established that's how it works isn't it of course it's always the way you look at it is it really fair to say there hasn't been any revival Tom in the Liberal Democrats only there's been a revival but my contention is that it's not off the back of brexit you look at their literature particularly in the Northeast which is anti politics anti expenses anti established parties no mention of brexit they actively avoided the word of brexit because it's a toxic issue found on the doorstep there the Lib Dems took seats and councilors in your area – why do you think that was I think the message of they're recovering from historic lows is definitely true but it's also true that if you want if you if your remainer and the Lib Dems and the greens are parties to vote for the extent to which they gain votes because it's anti politics or it's because it's remain time will tell but what the European elections is shaping up to be is a leave remain fight that's what isn't it true if you are Pro remain why would you vote Labour I think a lot of people are so yes if you are if your politics is based purely on the idea the only issue that matters in this country is legal and how many before change UK the independent group for change now that's a lot if that's what you want to do then you know that's that's that's your prerogative but I think most people think that yes brexit is an issue but it is not the only issue we are dealing still with decade with a decade of austerity that is actually I think what a huge amount of the backlash in these local elections was about local services local councils having seen those central grants cut 50% that has impacted adult social care its impacted children Social Care we're seeing you know record numbers of children being taken into care at moment record levels of child poverty and people are reacting against that and that is being taken up as a message against fear I'll come to you in just a sec what we're seeing in in big cities like in Bristol and in London is that people are not prepared to vote for labour because labour has completely bottled it on the biggest issue of the day you cannot sit on the fence on an issue of national crisis like brixi and Corbin has simply failed to I labor solution I you know I am saying is that they are attempting to shift away from defy that does not benefit them which is this divide against you know open nice cosmopolitan people in the cities and regret backward people in towns and actually say there are bigger issues and they are based on the divide between the 99% and Lamar but I need not on the 5200 30 that's always lose as well we've we've been in power for nine years you know you'd expect to be losing seats I think we lost far more seats than we expected to even against our worst expectations and their reasons for that you know we haven't covered ourselves in glory however you look at it I don't think that's because it breaks it is a very very complex issue and there is no majority for any option in parliament but as a government we take we take the hit for that literally that's what has happened but on the Labour point I think what every one be altered by the issues austerity there's a more simple explanation Corbin is a huge drag on the ticket he's not a leader in any sense of the term we've seen in an election ever based on the previous polls in 2017 era you're desperate to get in because absolutely there are other than bregman which is exactly what we address in the local election campaign absolutely the complete destruction of local government by this Tory government which you were complicit of course in the Konex minute has been absolutely sin particularly since 2015 we have for a long time and said that this is far too far in terms of cuts we have warned against this since 2013 within the girl coalition government it's gone on and on and on it cannot go any further the complete destruction of local government local government finance has been one of the big reasons also why people came back to the Liberal Democrats absolutely because we have competent local government representatives and have run very good local councils as Liberal Democrats but now we are going to go into a European election so these issues are now put aside for the time being because we are running or a European election and it is about brexit and absolutely and this election grexit is going to be the most important issue all right and in the European elections the brexit party will also be standing and there are some in both labour and the conservative parties who believe Tom that if it was bad for them in the locals particularly for the Conservatives there could be a real drubbing in the European elections right it was quite hard to see in a lot of constituencies during the local elections because there wasn't a brexit party Canada in many places you Kipp wasn't standing if you wanted to be angry enix your frustration with the major parties you either stayed home or did a peculiar vote for one of the smaller parties we're going to just show the rally that was in Peterborough yes you really lose the lines of time this has been seen in British politics I mean this is absolutely extraordinary just they're doing three overstating each one of these a week this was in Peterborough they've got another one at the end of the week this is extraordinary the amount of I'm just sitting here and staggered really is someone who isn't naturally predisposed to be cheerleading for Nigel Farraj right now and I'm looking at this and I'm just astounded like could to resume manage a crowd like this jeremy corbyn now number of issues I mean I think the politics of the rally is the new politics the old politics which is send a soundbite to a news organization and that's all that's there's gone lera like that live audiences is what it's about and not an end Farraj is a past master on it and i think i agree with you that for us Westminster politicians if we are going to get on the front foot we need to embrace the politics of the rally but we've also got to remember that Farrar is all about grievance we've got accountable I encourage everyone to look at Margaret factors rallies in 1903 right new politics those Sam and Tom seem to be indicating rallies yeah think about about the politics of the rally because you know people are very angry right and they were angry before the referendum and after two years of this they are even more angry and this is why and like shockingly and really disappointingly I think we are going to see a huge search for the brexit party look at their literature it's a nurse it's an Army veteran it's you know we are the representatives of 100 people combined with you know professor and someone that says we have credentials as well they are attempting to speak as in a very populous register completely absent of any other policies and a lot of people are gonna pick up on that and say yeah you know what screw the establish party I want to come back to Sam's really important point about the politics of grievance we see these rallies full of people of a certain age a lot of the mail being stirred up too so my question to you tom is other than being angry what is the brexit party offering well the brexit party is offering people hope a vision of looking towards a more democratic future they've seen their votes been stolen from anything the last three years anything absolutely they've been saying that this is how we should get out of the EU we should not be afraid to say that the WTO is an option for us and we can be much stronger in these negotiations and they've not been afraid to you see all over the world is that when Left parties fail to actually step up and say the reason that people are angry is because their countries their economies are run in the interests of a tiny elite rather than the majority of people as a whole then you get the rise of the far-right just one second comparison here has always been that the brexit party is looking like a far-right party actually but it's looking more like as bepah Grillo's party in italy that did this politics of rally something about five star I've worked with them in the European Parliament they also use anger they use grievance they used specific example did it work absolutely not they have no clear plan they're running Rome at the moment you know the the fountains are full of rubbish the buses aren't running on time they are not putting forward a proposal and then the problem with this is people don't hold those politicians to account they then under it undermines the democratic system as a whole and that's what's very dangerous about this sort of populism I'm going to come to you there I'm gonna come to you finally in just a bungalow sample which hasn't got a monopoly on the politics of the rally I think another politician who countered him and went out there to do that would also be able to master huge audiences and counter him by the Tories about how the country needs is hope all right let's be refine 'el work before we say goodbye to you it is absolutely about rallies as well and we are doing them very well absolutely the peoples were rally rallied over a million people that has never been actually there's a few thousand that were actually gathered together by the brexit party it's not a party it has no membership it's got one person and where is the money coming from don't talk over each other just because the viewers then can't hear what you or Tom are saying yes you're debating about the money the hundred thousand pound donation that still hasn't been revealed in terms of its source but as Tom says I think ninety is it 19 or 90 percent to have come from small donations but are you running scared there of the brexit I'm absolutely not running scared we know from polling and that's goes back some years ago that 25% to 30% of people want to absolutely leave the European Union they don't care about a deal they want to go out and they probably a perfectly happy on leaving without idea there those are 25 to 30 percent they are not a majority and that is what I keep saying the people who want to leave without a deal are 25 to 30 percent of the people in this country let's have a people's vote and let's really make make that very clear that there is no majority in this country for leaving the European Union without a deal all right and there that reason alone we cannot find actually an agreement on brexit because the brexit camp itself is split well I'm those who want to leave with a deal and those who want to leave without a deal and against that we have a much bigger majority of probably over 50 percent now who actually say let's stay in the European Union all right there thank you very much because you lead us neatly into the talks that are still continuing some in both labour and the Conservative Party think that that is the only possible way out of being hammered in the European elections is doing a deal between them will that work I doubt very much so firstly let's assume that the talks actually produce a deal of some sort you then have to have a bill going through Parliament you probably have a significant rebellion on the conservative side and what will tom what's in his group do will they vote for it or will they also rebel so even if you manage to get a deal the chance is that Jeremy Corbyn enteries Emir can carry the up parties through the lobbies – I shouldn't get a majority for it at second reading and that's before you get to the committee stage where people the ERG is gonna have lots of fun with whatever deal it is you know amendments wrecking amendments and so I don't see much hope for this of course it's right for the p.m. for trying but I don't see much of it was this being what is able to save us from having the European elections or having European elections of which well they're definitely going ahead of course and whether people take their seats or not will unfold no doubt over the next few weeks let's just before you go Sam Theresa May is apparently saying she wants to stay until the autumn which of course is the next deadline in terms of getting to a deal or not the Daily Telegraph says May has until tonight to chart resignation road map can she stay on till the autumn well I can see it I mean we've been saying people have been seen to resume should go overseas a 2017 general election and they the cries are getting louder but what no one is thinking about is it's not just about changing the person you'll also go to change tracks what's the alternative track that the Conservative Party is going on because changing the leader and without having a viable alternative track does is not progress at all the new leader will be do-nothing prime minister we're down a majority unable to hold a general election all right well Andrea Letson has said today very clearly that she would run when there is a vacancy who would you back who would you like to see with that different track I haven't decided at all I think we need to look see who exactly who's running we need to know what their visions are and there's a basic question for me before you even get to who you back what does the Conservative Party stand for and what is their answer to that question I think that comes before who the leader is and I would rather go for that I'll rather think about that before thinking about well I'll leave you with that big philosophical questions and thank you for coming in today because we're going to move on to a different topic and talk about a former employee who is taking the Center for Global Development think-tank – tribunal after her contract as a visiting fellow there was not renewed Maya for strata believes it hasn't been removed for comments and tweets she has made about transwomen we're going to talk to my in just a moment but just to give you an idea of the sorts of things that she has been tweeting in her own capacity yes I think that mail people are not women I don't think that being a woman female is a matter of identity or womanly feelings it is biology people of either sex should not be constrained or discriminated against if they don't conform to traditional gender expectations I think we can talk to Maya now welcome to the program my you were asked by your former employer the center of global development to put a disclaimer in your Twitter handle and after an investigation you were found innocent of breaching company policy why do you think your contract wasn't there for renewed they told me it was about my tweets I had been tweeting since about August last year about my concerns about gender self-id the government's proposals for gender self-id and as you know there was a consultation yeah you know we were people were supposed to be talking about it and feeding into it and I started to tweet about that and to share some of my concerns I support transgender people's human rights but I also think women's rights are important and women are and sex is a protected characteristic right so we're trying to be deliberately provocative with your tweets or stating and expressing your opinion as you see it I was I was exploring the question with my Twitter followers so obviously once you start talking about what is the definition of a woman people have different views and some people would say it's about thinking like a woman or feeling like a woman or appearing to be a woman and I was arguing that sex is what defines whether someone is a man or a woman and then they should be free to live their life in any way that they want but sometimes it's sex that matters and in public policy and protection for fairness in sports and women and women's refuges and prisons and anywhere where people expect privacy from the opposite sex it's that it's excellent matters so I think you know we can't stop talking about sex and always talk about gender identity and you thought you had to do this on Twitter I mean which is the the sort of source of my question so you were trying to provoke a discussion a debate an argument well Twitter is the public square that's you know where we talk about things and and there was a government consultation I wasn't trying to provoke you know hatred or you know anything like that I was I was discussing the issues around the consultation on gender identity in a very polite and you know reasoned and evidence-based way and you just what I do on the rest of my yeah you've said you've said that but you will understand that some people will think you're transphobic anti-trans I think that word gets thrown around a lot but are you no I'm not I support transgender people's human rights I don't think people should be discriminated in work in you know nobody should be harassed nobody should nobody should be subject to violence but I think women's rights matter and in order to protect women's rights and girls rights we still need to be able to talk about sex alright I'm just going to introduce Alex our employment minister my ado stay for the debate we're going to have in the studio now and should Meyer have lost her job or not had her contract renewed she should she should not have lost her job this is an outrage I mean the tweet that you showed there was part of a conversation on Twitter and if people are going to start losing their jobs for presenting opinions that they might be right they might be wrong but they're held by a lot of people and the idea that you would express that and lose your job it's extraordinary I happen to disagree with Meyer I happen to think that trans women are women and that they should and that when you say you respect trans rights that doesn't mean that you just say that it means you have to actually follow that through and not deny them access to services as as would be happening if you if you say that you have to exclude them from certain provisions right is it about the in line with the companies or think-tanks values in this sense even though they she was found innocent she didn't breach the company policy well I mean I think you know this whole issue of free speech it's not the case that when you speak how it means that there are no consequences for what you've said you know if you say something of people disagree with you then you know there are going to be consequences however I think you know a lot and actually a lot of companies a lot of organizations limit what people can say on Twitter and sometimes that's part of the employment contract by say there's also an issue can I just finish okay yes I'll come to you my and about you know has how is this in breach of an employment contract and if it is then clearly the company's acted illegally I don't have my as a member of a union if she was this would be the kind of issue that you could take to your Union and say have I been treated unfairly by my employer my so the organization that I work for is a think-tank and it doesn't take organizational positions it's quite happy for its fellows to disagree with each other and disagree with each other publicly as long as it's evidence-based and you know respectful dialogue which I thought was what was what I was doing it also doesn't have a social media policy and what I was doing was in line with all of the other discussions that I've had on social media all right I think the the really important piece is the question of whether gender critical beliefs are protected under the Equality actors of belief as a philosophical belief alongside other kinds of beliefs such as the belief in that climate change is an urgent problem and the belief in Scottish independence is that there are these things the same thing we've got our Luke Sharma here Minister for employment this could be an important test case that tribunal is going to go ahead should people are people allowed to express their personal opinions and beliefs even if others find them offensive and then lose their job well I agree with you I think this will be an important tribunal and be interesting see what the the courts affective decide I don't know the full details of this case so I mean I'm commenting on something that's about to go to court perhaps isn't appropriate what I would say more widely though is that this point about there are employers who will have a view on what employees should or should not be saying or doing more generally that may be set out in the employment contracts and you know if you work for the BBC there'll be certain things that he would not be happy for you to be tweeting about or putting out on social media so I think we have to see it in that context but you're absolutely right this is gonna be an interesting test case buddy what do you think in terms of people being able to say what they feel well the Green Party's position is that trans women women and trans men are men and we should be in solidarity with them and but and I think it's an important point that you raised about whether this is really a debate in the public square and whether Twitter is the best place to have this discussion but I think much more importantly we're having an academic discussion here about definitions but trans people are facing violence and oppression every day right across the world and the most important thing we should do is to address that and stand in solidarity with them and protect their rights just to express themselves which is all they're trying to do and the really ironic thing is that some of these feminist campaigners who are against self-identification really self-identification is what's going to help trans people integrate in the way that feminists want them to I mean at the moment if you're trans and you want to get hormone replacement therapy or you want to be able to transition medically you need to wait two years sometimes of socially transitioning without any medication whatsoever and that's what I think a lot of people are afraid of in changing rooms or whatever there are a huge amount of issues about the kind of reducing gender to sex as we've just seen in this case about a South African Olympic runner where we've just said right if you have a certain level of testosterone then you're not a woman like it's just it's completely nothing bizarre and there's a whole swathe of scientific evidence that says this all right doesn't work thank you very much Maya for joining us today I'm also going to say goodbye to you Molly at this point because we're going to move on and talk about employment because we have the employment minister here and also the government also talks an awful lot particularly at p.m. queues actually raises the idea that there are record levels of employment in the UK but is it as clear-cut as it seems the figures are the figures but there are other statistics for example that say two-thirds of those in poverty live in households where at least one person is working in work poverty and people who are low paid tend to stay low paid we're going to be joined by Labour's Jonathan Reynolds he's just taking his seat he is a shadow Treasury Minister welcome to you but grace it's undeniable that the figures are pretty startling in terms of the levels of employment yeah if we've got you know we've been told for a very long time now we have record levels of employment which is something that the government is using a lot to kind of showcase its record well we haven't really been talking about is the fact that we've had a decade of wage stagnation for the longest period of wage stagnation since the Napoleonic Wars we've had a stagnation in productivity we have rising inequality now which we haven't seen in a very long time high levels of child poverty highest levels of in work poverty that we've seen in a very very long time and the fact is what has happened is that the link between employment and standards of living has been severed and a large reason that underpins that has been the erosion of our union movement which is supposed to protect Labor's with a small L rights against bosses and that's been eviscerated by decades particularly of of Tory undermining of those institute well can I first say when we talk about these figures these aren't government figures is figures produced by the Office for National Statistics which is independent and it is the case that we have more people in work now than at any time before the unemployment rate at its lowest level since the mid 70s and if you look at the jobs that have been have created around seventy five percent of them are full-time they're permanent and they're in higher-level occupations people getting paid decent wages thirty forty thousand pounds plus and if you look at the employment that's been created over the last year almost all of this is permanent and full-time and we talk about wages you know for thirteen months in a row now wages have been outpacing inflation and I recognize that you know we need to go further and I want to see it there further but that is why we're also providing support with the help with the cost of living why do you want to go there in this way let's just show our viewers and panelists the the observer Philip Hammond the Chancellor plans world's highest minimum wage increased to 9 pounds 61 you're going to announce that well I'm not going to comment on speculation in it in a newspaper well I I can't build on speculation newspaper but but you're planning let's let's have a look at what actually has been announced which is almost 5 percent increase this year in the living wage so if you are someone on living wage since it was introduced you're almost 3,000 pounds a year better off as a result of our policies I'm just going to welcome to Jonathan but before you respond we will be going to fact-check Joel as we do on p.m. Tuesday there he is in the newsroom he will be waiting to check any spurious facts and figures that are brought up in Prime Minister's Questions your response to a longshoreman particularly on these Jonathan Reynolds because labour made a lot of the quality of jobs that they weren't actually very good jobs and they weren't full-time and most people were self-employed how long psalmist says that's not the case I don't say that addressing the situation that the big thing that's happened with employment figure since 2010 is actually if you go back to what the government was saying then if you can remember George Osborne it was that growth would be a lot high for a decade and unemployment they said would be higher so we've had lower growth but higher employment and the fact is as I see it the link between the the sort of quality of work and the the things we expect that to deliver in terms of good decent living standards your security for people that has been completely broken what Alec doesn't say is that in work poverty is growing faster than employment that four million people four million people four million workers are now in a situation where they're in work poverty and there has never been yet an account from any conservative Minister on what the answer is to that because I think I like that is the biggest issue just before we respond I'm going to welcome Lawrenceburg our political editor onto the set but Alec yes I mean of course in work poverty is an issue but if you look at who is in invert poverty right now is people who are working part-time the legacy benefit system actually trapped people so when they got to a certain number of hours it didn't make any sense for them to do extra hours because everything what poverty people working and not being able to afford a reasonable standard of living well we want to make sure that people are progressing and that's why we're making sure that there's a welfare system which actually incentivizes people take on extra hours for Johnson talk about the figures but in 2010 I remember the Labour Party predicting there will be 1 million job losses we've got 3.7 million million people was the last Labour government I mean we are talking a long time ago we're talk trying to talk about today's situation we are indeed but you have to put this in the car so they said we'd lose a million jobs 3.7 million more people are in work because we haven't got much time I just want to put this to you and to to Laura particularly Mary Kray Labour MP has just tweeted just popped into the chamber and noticed Gavin Williamson former defense secretary has a prayer card in his sea pmq or a statement to the house on his sacking well I've just asked him if he's going to say something during Prime Minister's Questions he's just told me that he's not going to do something later in the day maybe he just wants to be seen so he popped up in Parliament yesterday obviously after his sacking last week his inglorious sacking at the hands of Theresa May after he was accused and still denies leaking information from the National Security Council and he was around and about the place yesterday which I was rather surprised that I thought he might be choosing to lie low and the fact that he's been here of course suggests and has prompted speculation about what he's going to do of course as former Chief Whip as somebody who was closer to resume for a long time he is the keeper of a lot of secret yes he had Cronus wasn't it Oh keeper / tarantula as well as many of Secrets but of course people on the other side say he always loved overstating his own importance in the operation of this government so we'll see but I think he clearly believes that he is somehow been stitched up by the government Danny Street thinks that he's absolutely they had no choice but to let him go they talk of compelling evidence into what he was really up to but clearly he's still an ambitious person who at some point may try to clear his name are you a friend of his do you talk to him Alec I do yes he's a friend of mine and I've had I bumped into him in the corridor yesterday we had a very brief chat and I think as Laura says you know he feels that he didn't do anything wrong the Prime Minister has made it very clear that there is compelling evidence and at the end of the day the Prime Minister decide who serves in her government of course but do you have some sympathy for him or not of course I have sympathy for him I mean on a personal level of course you have sympathy for him clearly if he feels that he has not done something that merits this but at the end of the day you know from the government perspective the premises possessions that this issue is closed right they can't both be right I suppose can they well I mean I think you know we'll see if Gavin has anything further to say on this matter right do you think this will come back well I think it also depends what other people do so if other people with power and influence say that the evidence whatever it is ought to be put into the public domain then we may well see that this story does not go away at the end of last week there were some Euroskeptics some very vocal critics of the prime minister who miraculously suddenly seemed to be rather fond of gavin williamson who were keen to hear what evidence had actually been presented against him clearly the government just wants this to be shut down but I don't think this is the last we'll hear of it and of course you know as as journalists and members of the public all sit you know Downing Street has said that there is compelling evidence of this of course people would like to see exactly what it is right and I'm sure we probably will at some stage it'll find a way out but yeah but strange bedfellows while we're on that subject labour and Tory talks yes is there any point I mean is it now I've heard Rebecca long Bailey and John McDonald say repeatedly the government is refusing to move on its red lines for whatever reason should they just walk I think there is a point to these talks and I just think it is easy to say oh it's all Sharad they're just going through the motions I don't think that's the case I don't think that's ever been the case and I think the fact that they are still talking and it's for mere months now or so so I'm sure can correct me if I'm wrong that they've actually been been doing this that said I think the prospects of their actually being a very positive resolution are really slim but I think it's important to note their never talking about the idea of there being some tada moment look here is Theresa May and jeremy corbyn's joint in the Rose Garden deal exactly this is much more about which of course is more nuanced and more boring but it's much more about whether the two sides can at least agree on a process of getting this back to Parliament to use the technical jargon for this getting the second reading of the withdrawal bill back to Parliament so that MPs can actually start looking at this again rather than us continuing in this gridlock I mean I know you're not part of the talks but is that how you see it John yeah I think we went into the min good faith there's a lot of people on the labor side who you know want to see some progress we want to get back to issues like the NHS and austerity and public services and the economy and it's difficult while bricks overshadows things but one thing I would genuinely say is I mean you can't pick a newspaper up without saying someone running for leader of the Conservative Party so you know how long is the prime minister got to deliver let's find out after p.m. keys to speaker I'm sure that the whole house will wish to join me in offering our heartfelt condolences to the family and friends of Guardsman Matthew Talbot of the 1st battalion Coldstream Guards who has sadly died during anti-poaching operations in Malawi mr. speaker members across the house I'm sure will also want to join me in sending my very best wishes to their Royal Highnesses the Duke and Duchess of Sussex monday marked the beginning of Ramadan a time of peace devotion and charity and I know that members from across the house will want to join me in saying to Muslims in the UK and across the world Ramadan Kareem and later today he will of course bring them to you Jeremy Corbyn devoted his questions to the NHS and staffing levels in the NHS and will come back – there was a sort of trading of statistics if you like between Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May but first of all I suppose one of the moments in Prime Minister's Questions was Andrea Jenkins backbench Conservative MP and brick city calling for Theresa May to go absolutely and it's not quite the first time this has happened bill cash actually made a similar request in the sort of heat of the brexit crisis before the easter holidays but it still is quite something to hear a member of the Prime Minister's own party stand up and actually call for her to resign notable not just because that's Andrea Jenkins doing it as an individual but of course behind the scenes there is a lot of very very intense discussion among the conservative backbench Committee the 1922 committee meeting later today so Graham Brady the chair of that committee had a meeting with the prime minister yesterday we know that he was trying to insist that she gave a more explicit timetable about her departure and that question there is a sign that these calls are just not going away the kind of consensus around Westminster was that the local election results or although they were for the Conservatives would be not be enough to set a chain of events that could result in a rapid departure of the prime minister but I would not rule that out no I mean there's obviously a lot of anger isn't there I'm still because these were the sorts of figures that we'd only seen in terms of the Conservative Party in John Major's time back in the 1990s losses at that scale even though they've been in government for quite a long time but Alex Trotman respond to this from Paul Goodman is tweeting an article by one of your colleagues Robert health and Conservative MP creating such a self-indulgent drama was an utterly selfish decision from an utterly selfish number-10 machine do they even care about the future of the party well I would say the Prime Minister cares very deeply actually about the future of the party she has been a party member longer than many of us members of parliament what I would say is that the promise has been very clear in terms of her position she has said that she will not lead the next process in terms of the EU negotiations she's made it very clear that she wants to make sure that we deliver at this stage and that's a message she has given very clearly at the 1922 we've had three votes in the deal people have had an opportunity as the Primus has said to deliver on brexit and they've chosen not to administer she has not been clear about what happens if she cannot deliver this face as she said well if I have another go and it goes through then I will hand over the second phase to my successor what she's not been clear about and what conservative backbenchers fear is just she fails and then tries another way and she tries another way and that fails again and there she's stuck in this sort of grim feedback loop so as a loyal Minister to her what do you think she should say what maybe did she say to sir Graham Brady yesterday about her departure because she's been explicit I suppose if you like in terms of what she'd like to achieve before she departs but she hasn't even explicit about when that would be and what happens if she fails but Laura I don't think this is just about the Prime Minister miu talk about a feedback loop that we're stuck in I mean that's Jonathan and I and all the other parliamentarians as well the reality the reality well the country has the reality is we've had lots of votes we've not been able to agree on anything apart from we don't want to leave without a deal and I think changing that the Prime Minister isn't going to change anything fundamentally I think it's right that we're having these discussions a Labour Party I think it's right that we do that in good faith and let's see what that brings forward we haven't we haven't collectively come to a conclusion on what the the direction is but it's not normal is it for your own side to stand in Prime Minister's Questions not for the first time and cool for their own Prime Minister to go well we we aren't living in normal times we put it like that and Europe has always been a big issue for the party but also indeed for that for the for the Labour Party what I would say is that if people want to get a deal over the line they're going to have to compromise so I hope we will see something coming out of these discussions and we were able to move forward because I absolutely agree with Jonathan that actually there is frustration no mine in Parliament but across the country people want to get back to talking about all the other issues that matter to them as well actually think Robert Alphonse not quite right in their analysis if you look at the vagueness of the deal and the problems around on the back stop that's all been created about a deal that would get through the Conservative Party in Parliament and get through people like Andrew Jenkins and actually I think you know it may well be looking at a question like that that it is an inevitable people like hundred Jenkins have to leave the Conservative Party in order to get this resolved in some way because they are simply not going to be satisfied with anything other than the worst of no deals is there a momentum growing though when we've had reports of 80 percent of grassroots Tory members would like to see Tereza may step down we have got MP standing up in the House of Commons we have normally fairly loyal conservatives like Robert Halfon slating the whole number 10 operation we've got Kevin Williamson looking a little surly there on the back benches I mean it is this building to something or not but it's funny Joe it's the easiest thing in politics to say well other than something must be done yeah just say we can't go on like this and we could have sat in this studio for two years in fact people probably have sat in this studio do you we can't go on like this onion yet Theresa May does go on like this I think there is a point at which she has to respond to her her party in a way about being more explicit about when she would actually go and how that could come today perhaps but there is also another kind of missing piece of the jigsaw if you like you know the phrase I think was coined by this is that should Tina there is no alternative the fact that there has been no alternative to Teresa may in terms of a conservative leader who wants the job now is sort of nowhere to be found and has been nowhere to be found for a long time there's certainly people who want the job yes that one very important what did you don't think the jigsaw is that none of the rivals who want to take over from her want to grasp the mess and try to get out of Bret's it at the moment if that were to change then you might find things changing very very the same for Jeremy Corbyn arguably he wouldn't want to take it over necessarily at this point he'd like bricks it to be done who would you like to see be her replacement well I won the promise of continue I want to get a deal over the line somebody who can i address the point about that the Prime Minister which is that I think there is a difference of opinion in the Westminster bubble and out on the doorstep so on Election Day at last Thursday and knocked for about 10 hours on doors there was huge frustration with politicians collectively only two people raised the issue of the Premiership so you know there are very many people out there many of our constituents who do see the Prime Minister as someone who is working hard to deliver in the national interest and people will also be to some extent fed up with politics when they look at something like the Peterborough situation and the by-election that is going to be coming up soon and explain for a fascinating test of this febrile brew that we have at the moment you know the local elections were won the European elections will be another but a by-election is going to be absolutely fascinating in Peterborough which is important because it's the kind of seat that anybody who wants to govern the room has to win and yet there there worm it could be a very real challenge from the brexit party Peterborough is a very levy area and also I'm hearing this lunchtime that change UK and the Lib Dems and the Greens are all considering getting behind the same independent remain candidate in order to try to create almost maybe like a sort of mini referendum in a way that's gonna be very day but we labor very difficult and there's no doubt that you know we were let down the people people were let down by that the person elected at the general election but they did elect a Labour MP the values and things that we wanted to perform that manifesto did clearly strike a chord so we'll campaign on those things and I think you know you saw today with Jeremy Coleman at p.m. cues there are other things other than Breck the public are interested in and you know the tragedy has been so many of those the NHS or the poverty figures have really been pushed out by this conversation about brexit and the public want some attention on those as well but what does a situation like Peterborough as you say you felt let down by the former Labour MP there but what does that do to trust in politics for the people there well you can't say anything good then it's very difficult I'm in a situation where a sitting MP is charged with a criminal offence I mean that is clearly very very difficult indeed it doesn't happen you know too often but it's obviously happened in a way which everyone clearly regrets in this situation but returning to the policies and the things that are on the interests of people in Peterborough will campaign on those things for a Labour MP well as you mentioned some of the issues that you feel have been pushed out many people have felt have been pushed out let's return as I said to the issue of the NHS staffing levels Jeremy Corbyn called for an apology from Theresa May to cancer patients who haven't been seen as quickly as he feels they should be Joel you were looking at some of the figures there that's right Jay I was looking at particularly at a couple of the points that Jeremy Corbyn made about staffing in the NHS so he said that there are 100,000 staff vacancies across the NHS in England we've spoken to the NHS and they said that that figure is correct he also said that there are 5000 nurses and midwives from EU countries that have left the NHS in the past two years now we think he was quoting a report out today from the Nursing and Midwifery Council and this report says that the number of nursing and midwifery professionals for any new countries has reduced by nearly five thousand thirteen percent since 2017 but it also says in this report that in the UK the number of nursing and midwifery professionals is at an all-time high and that there are 8,000 more nurses midwives and nursing associates in the UK than there were 12 months ago and that's the point that trees may be referred to as well Joel thank you very much I mean there is a sense when you listen to these debates that both sides can be right to a certain extent extent depending on which statistics you are referring to did we learn anything much more about the state of the NHS and political parties funding around afraid not and as our politics live regular viewers will know that sometimes we see Jeremy Corbyn and Tereza may even in quite a lively session which it was today retreat to their sort of individual comfort zones with a chuckling statistics on each other now that notwithstanding we know as dove has just pointed out there are very real concerns about the health service there are very real pressures on the Health Service it is also true that the government has for the first time come up with a longer term look at how its financed but one very important again to use the metaphor a missing piece of the jigsaw is a social care policy that one MP asked the Prime Minister about it's absolutely worth understanding the NHS long-term plan for England which the government all loves to talk about it only adds up if Social Care gets fixed and at the moment the Social Care Green Paper as I understand it is stuck in number ten it may not even imagine before the summer and that sort of means that they're much vaunted long term plan for the NHS is not as things stand on track that's absolutely true but at the same time you know that the number of people waiting beyond the acceptable four hour period in any's is far too high the number of waiting list which was the real problem in the 90s at the last Conservative government that is far too high as well but these hundred thousand vacancies and the pressure particularly on GPS I mean the Health Service can't function unless we have enough GPS and the gatekeepers to the whole system we've talked about the employment figures earlier how could we've got to a situation where there's a hundred thousand vacancies in the NHS so I mean there is no doubt that there is pressure on the NHS there has always been pressure on the NHS and you know we are all getting older so demographics is a big issue in all of this in terms of GPS with the plan is to have another 5,000 GPS by next year in the NHS and in fact last year we had three and a half thousand people taking up training spaces for GPS but it takes some time said we're in aging population we know that Alok Sharma and we also know that the numbers are going to increase these are all truisms if you like you haven't planned for it have you properly their heart rhythms but you know let's start with the level of funding and I'm sorry just through these figures back at you but in 2017 Jeremy Corbyn talked about the NHS needing another set billion pounds a year we are through the long term plan saying that the NHS will get twenty billion pounds a year by 2324 a year so funding is a big part of this and you heard the prime is to talk about the extra money in real terms into primary care which will feed through into GP services so I didn't I didn't think there is any issue about sort of saying there aren't pressures natures they've always been pressures it's about making sure that we work together to deliver and I agree GP services is a very big issue if you look at the number of people on waiting lists in 2010 those 350,000 people think broadly all anxious wingless it's over four million now I mean the direction is getting harder and harder and the resources have not been there even by comparison to previous Conservative government's since 2010 but the amount of resources going into I've just talked about the the amount of resources going in which is over double what Labour was suggesting was needed for so we are we are putting more money in but actually you know you should always look at what actually happens with labour government look at what happens in Wales when the NHS its people might just say this again is that trading of statistics it doesn't necessarily illuminate our viewers just before we go let's show you some pictures that were released while we are on air not the Royal baby sorry it's the temporary get customs chamber which I know you're much more excited about Commons chamber I should say not customs I want customers you know let's just show viewers because this is what it could look like for you guys if you move in when you move in do you think it should happen sooner rather than later yes I mean I think we've got to do whatever is the quickest way on the most cost effective way to get Parliament restored so the public can enjoy it I think some older colleagues a bit reticent to leave but I think most of us while I just get on with it and do it it's more about what is said in Parliament than how it looks but that looks fine right what do you think it looks like I mean this this would be enrichment house I don't know too bad to me it looks sort of fairly similar I think to kind of similar to what we've got at the moment but I think I think of course you know we need to we need to move but I think doing this in a cost-effective way is really important and I think that will be important also to our our our constituents and that's why I think it's good that we have got various bodies being set up to make sure that they oversee precisely what is getting on and no doubt the National Audit Office will look very closely at any expenditure when it related to well argue about how cost effective it is but should it happen sooner I mean when we've seen what happened in not trade on with the fire there is it is it really imperative that you go sooner well I think there is a pace at which you can move so it's saying sooner I mean that of course we'd like to be soon there but you had to plan these things properly and make sure you deliver you know a chamber like that and that always takes time for now they're staying put but from all of us here bye-bye you
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you [Applause] good morning everyone it's great to see you here and made me from up in Scotland where I'm proud to be standing to be one of libros a me piece to down here in the southeast with the party has a great set of candidates labeled is on the front foot for the European elections labeled is the only party trying to bring our country back together because unlike the other parties we're not trying to win the votes of just leavers or the votes of just remain errs instead we are reaching out to everyone and we can do that because we're the only party with a bold positive vision for transforming Britain and for transporting transforming Europe – and that's what this campaign is going to be about of course the only reason we're having these elections in the first place is a tourist chaotic handling of breaks it was Tories another school division and further instability only labour has a plan to invest in Scotland's people communities and public services and after 10 years of Tory austerity passed on to Scotland by the SNP Scotland death in his labour fight in their corner in Europe and in government at Westminster and Holyrood every decision the Tories have made on brexit has been dictated by the needs of their internal party management their behavior has been appalling irresponsible and has left our country in a genuine crisis but there is an alternative a party that will end austerity invest in our people and communities and rebuild our public services a party that will ensure that those with the broadest shoulders pay their fair share a party that last week's English locals made gains in key marginal constituencies and special congratulations goals of course to Mary's labour grip which is now the largest has been in 20 years [Applause] there are many reasons why labor is now putting forward a profoundly ambitious vision for what this country can look like policies that are so popular with the people in this country there are many reasons why we're refusing to let the leave remains split continue to debate this country and there are many reasons why we're excited about a fortnight on the road campaigning because we will make an argument for a country that works for the many not the few but the main reason ladies and gentlemen is our leader as a Labour Party Jeremy Corbyn [Applause] Jane thank you very much for that and thank you all for being here today and congratulations to Midway labor and to grave shrim for the great victory that you had in the local elections last week thank you for all your work on that no one expected us to be holding these European elections but the government's complete failure on brexit means they're going ahead against a backdrop of division and a frustration a vote for labour is a vote to bring our divided country back together labour is the only party with a plan to unite our country and make it work for the many not the few we will end austerity invest in our economy and our communities and raise wages and living standards Labour's alternative plan for brexit which protects jobs living standards and communities would end the chaos caused by the Conservatives and let us focus on the other big issues facing our country it is a real and credible plan that would allow the next Labour government to rebuild our manufacturing industries and restore pride and prosperity to parts of our country that have been neglected for far too long that neglect was I believe a major reason behind the vote to brexit in the first place three years of botched negotiations between the government in the European Union have left everyone frustrated over 17 million people voted to leave the European Union as Democratic socialists we cannot ignore that we voted to trigger article 50 in 2017 and promise to respect the referendum in our general election manifesto and again at our Party conference in Liverpool last year but we cannot respect the government's shambolic handing a brexit that has caused huge uncertainty for people businesses and jobs when Theresa May became Prime Minister she didn't consult either Parliament or the country brexit policy was announced through a series of speeches declared never discussed what we got was three years of the tory spending more time argue with themselves than negotiating with Europe what the Prime Minister finally cooked up led to the biggest government defeat in Britain's parliamentary history it wasn't until that damaging deal had been defeated three times that the government and the government had already missed its own deadline for leaving that the Prime Minister finally admitted she needed to compromise labour agreed to talks because he believed it was the right thing to do to see if we could get a better deal in line with our plan the needs of businesses and trade unions a deal that would see us leave the EU but keep a close relationship with our major trading partners so far in those talks there's been no big offer and the red lines remain in place it's actually quite difficult negotiating with a disintegrate in government with cabinet ministers jockeying for succession rather than working for an agreement it is in the country's interest to try to get this sorted one way or the other but we can never accept the government's bad deal or a disastrous no deal so if we can't get a sensible deal along the lines of our alternative plan or a general election labour backs the option of a public vote on it I am I am very worried about how divided our society has become every week I go to a different part of the country campaigning meeting people and spending a lot of time listening to people in all kinds of different places factories schools colleges on the street care homes hospitals all kinds of places and over the last year I've seen the divisions grow around brexit in communities in families there are real tensions real tensions so how do we go forward we could all retreat to our respective side of the argument and let the bitterness drive us further apart we could allow ourselves to be defined only as remain errs or leave us labels that meant nothing to us only a few years ago but where would that take us who wants to live in a country stuck in this endless loop what's needed is a bit of understanding understanding of why so many people felt so frustrated with the system they voted to leave and understanding why so many others believe that staying in the EU is the only way to protect our valuable open and diverse society some people seem to look at the issue the wrong way around they tend to think the first question is leave or remain as if either is actually an end in itself I think they're wrong the first question is what kind of society do we want to be and on that people can find so much common ground labor and only labor stands on that common ground in this election that's why we insist the real divide in our country is not how people voted in 2016 the real divide is between the many and the few whether you're in Tottenham or Mansfield stockwell or Stoke Medway or Manchester so many of the problems you face are exactly the same and while the government's incompetence and divisions over brexit have created this deadlock the injustice is in our society our deepening those in justices aren't to do with backstops information implementation periods and all that rather strange and often obscure jargon they are about whether your children will go to a school that can afford the basics or one whether head teacher sends begging letters to parents whether your relatives will be treated quickly and safely on the National Health Service or wait in pain and distress for months whether your parents will get a helping hand in old age or we left isolated and very afraid and whether we as a country can end the burning in justices in our society Theresa May once talked about them but did nothing about austerity insecure work low wages caused anger and disillusion some want to use that to stoke further division but it wasn't the European Union that slashed public services to pay for tax cuts for the richest it was a Tory government it wasn't nurses and teachers who crashed our economy it was bankers and hedge funds and it wasn't immigrants who caused the biggest squeeze on wages since the Napoleonic Wars it was bad employers we need solutions not scapegoats when you blame your neighbor rather than the powerful for problems with the health system or for overcrowded classrooms or for lack of housing you're letting those responsible off the hook you haven't trained a doctor you haven't trained a nurse you haven't opened a new school you haven't built a house you haven't secured a penny of extra investment all you've done is fuel an atmosphere of division and nastiness in our society it is only by coming together and working together that we can improve people's lives labour will stand up for all workers black and whites and we will guarantee the rights of EU citizens and students in this country and British people who want to work and study in the EU in the same way we are internationalist to our very core that's what our party was founded for more than a hundred years ago so when we see the emboldened far-right strategy it's stuff across Europe and in this country too in the shape of you Kip and it's hangers-on our response is to strengthen our ties with working-class and progressive movements both at home and abroad the biggest the biggest issues facing us like tax avoidance and the power of multinational corporations are international issues that demand international solutions and the biggest issue of all and there is the biggest of all the climate and environment emergency that threatens everyone's future cannot be averted by one country alone climate breakdown air pollution and the frightening they terrifying loss of species demand and require collaboration across national borders and I'm so proud that labour led the way last week to make the UK Parliament the first in the world to declare an environmental and climate emergency I hope our action from the opposition benches sparks a wave of Declaration of climate emergency by Parliament and governments around the world because we have to work together to confront the issues facing the whole globe if we don't then we're all facing a very uncertain future so we will always work and cooperate closely with progressive allies in Europe and all across the world these elections were also a charge a chance to challenge the poison being peddled by the likes of Nigel Faraj he says brexit is being blocked by the elite it's not true the large majority of MPs have voted for a brexit deal in one form or the other the brexit party is in fact the no deal party and for millions no deal would mean no jobs an economic shock threatening entire industries and here in Kent turning the m20 into a permanent lorry park causing massive disruption and of course pollution it would be an elite brexit that would only work for the richest those who want to deregulate to slash public services deny rights at work and still further it would be a Donald Trump brexit leaving us at the mercy of a reckless and bellicose US administration Nigel Farage's brexit is a brexit for conspiracy theorists for those who see Muslims and migrants or George Soros as their enemy only labour can see off the Faraj snake oil in this election and stand by our shared values of respect tolerance openness and be proud of our diversity it said that Labour is trying to offer something for everyone over brexit I make no apology for that Labour will never be the party of the 52 or the party of the 48 we are the party of the great majority who reject the politics of smear and scapegoating we're a party of unity and social justice other parties appeal to just one side of the brexit debate because they aren't really committed to taking on the tax dodgers the big polluters or the financial gamblers who crashed our economy a decade ago to transform our economy our country and tackle injustice inequality and the climate crisis we need to unite the overwhelming majority of people and take on the privileged and the powerful labour wood in dress the inequalities that helped fuel the brexit vote by investing in our communities and people all across the country ending austerity and creating a fairer society and we will lead the fight against racism at home and across Europe wherever it raises its ugly head it's labour that wants to bring our country back together so whether you voted leave or remain in 2016 I urge you to vote Labour in these elections for the party that is determined to bring the many together and take on the entrenched power of the few thank you very much [Applause] no thank you well now take some questions first from the media we'll take them in groups of three to begin with we've got Laura Coons Berg and then okay thank you very much mr. Corben you say that leave or remain are unhelpful labels but there are many people in your party many people perhaps in this room who would like labor to be a remain party who would like you to try to stop brexit can you tell voters if labor is now definitely a brexit party or could you still be a remain party and if I may on the cross party talks you sound very downbeat about the prospects of a deal is there any chance of a deal now between labour and the Tories to find a compromise next can we have Libby please mr. Corbyn isn't there a danger that these elections could be even more toxic for you than the local elections because of confusion over your brexit policy why should voters bother to turnout if they don't really know whether you're in favor of leaving the EU or remaining in it and we've got a question from a local journalist and Paul Francis I would you accept that the confusion over the party's position on brexit cost it votes at the council elections last week and what's your message to the 64% of voters in Medway constituencies that you will deliver brexit okay thanks to you thanks to your questions Laura your point about unhelpful labels we our party that contested the referendum in 2016 on a remain and reform programme the result was as we all know what it was we triggered article 50 that was respecting the referendum we have since tried to put for and continually put forward a view of a customs union with the EU access to European markets and protection dynamic protection of rights obtained to EU membership to use as a floor for future labour government policies and will continue to put those forward and that's exactly what we're doing in the talks were having with the government at the present time and as you know our manifesto includes the option of a public vote on the outcome of all of that process the talks that we're having with the government have been difficult because as I said the government is in some degree of disarray itself they're still ongoing our point is that we want to protect jobs protect track and protect those rights that we have obtained and we will we met again yesterday and there will be further meeting coming up but quite honestly the government has to move its red lines we cannot go on having MV 1 MV 2 MV 3 and then coming on for possibly an MV 4 or a bill that we've yet to yet to actually see so we will continue with that if not the issue has to come back to Parliament at the earliest possible opportunity on the question of the toxic nature of the of the debate I am appalled at the remarks made by Faraj and many others that do create a degree of toxicity in our in our society and we have to stand up against it as I indicated in my speech I don't want this election to become some kind of toxic election I've set out what the voting labor will do with obviously elect members of the European Parliament from the Labour Party but it will also be saying we vote for a party that is serious about the kind of society we want to live in in this country and that message will be one that is put out very clearly and a future relationship with the EU will be one where we have trade where we have a similarity of rights and conditions we fully signup to the European Convention on Human Rights the European Council of Human Rights which is we remain members of and we will do that the alternative being put forward by Faraj and others and the very substantial right on the conservative party is actually a sweetheart trade deal with Donald Trump in the USA which would result in investor protection powers which would result in damaging rights and conditions that we have in our society and I'm sure you would have noticed that there are those in the US administration and others that are eyeing up the possibility of American health care cut firms coming in to take over our National Health Service our National Health Service is not for sale to anybody we will protect it and we will do everything we can to make sure we have this relationship with Europe in the future and we have quite prepared to put the issue to a public vote at the conclusion of the parliamentary process at the moment there has been not a majority in parliament to get any of these things through on the message that we're putting forward I don't think it's confusing at all I think it is sensible message saying we understand what's happened we've seen what's happened we've seen the causes of what's happened and we're putting forward a view that would ensure we have the opportunity of improving the social divisions within our society and that is what we put forward in the local elections and put forward in these elections and I'm looking forward to putting forward in a general election which cannot be that far away you cannot go on forever having a government with no majority in its own party never mind not a majority across Parliament as a whole and in that general election our message will be an investment LED unifying economy in our society dealing with the social injustice is dealing with the extreme levels of poverty and giving young people hope of life in a country where they don't have to go into debt to get an education and they get equally valued whether they're going to vocational or university education giving hope to a younger generation and a government that's serious about dealing with climate emergencies I'm very proud of what our party policies are what we would saved over the past few years in putting them forward and I'm looking forward to putting them forward in this campaign and in a general election campaign just as soon as it comes I'm ready for it don't worry about that another three from the video Oliver no no murder Jeremy yesterday Cressida dick said MPs faced an unprecedented level of threats reports suggest that hate crime is rising on Britain's streets is this election a watershed moment to tackle the far-right in the UK and do the police and the authorities have the necessary powers to deal with the rise of the far-right less paper from Reuters hey yeah I'm just wondering what Labour's position is is it the same as the government's in the sense that you actually don't want any elected labor any piece to actually take their seats and one more hey there Stuart hello you talked in your speech Jeremy about how people who call themselves levers or remain as first are looking at the issue the wrong way round clearly you think that's the case about nigel farage is it sometimes the case about the most ardent remain errs do you think the Lib Dems have unveiled their manifesto for these elections this morning the cover of which excuse my language says bollocks to bricks it I wonder if you think that's a helpful contribution to the debate you're gonna tempt me into bad language Oliver thanks for your question there is a horrifying rise of hate crime in this country and across Europe with attacks on synagogues attacks on mosques and racist abuse on the streets there is also a big rise in violent crime and knife crime on our streets and my own constituency is not immune from that there are issues here of policing and police numbers in relation particularly to knife crime and community security the last Labour government introduced the concept of safer neighborhoods teams and far more PCSOs there's been 20 thousand police officers lost since the Tory government came into office in 2010 with the support of the Lib Dems and clearly there has to be more investment in policing and resources but above all community based policing so we have policing by consent within within the community your point about the rise of the far right and the behavior of the far right whether there are sufficient powers to deal with them the rise of far-right is one where there are openly racist and Nazi organizations operating in parts of Europe where there's the rise of anti-semitic parties and language particularly in Poland and Hungary and other countries and I pay tribute to the people many of them very young in all of those countries and also Germany in Austria Netherlands France and so on that it and everything they can to bring communities together and stand up against racism the young people of Europe do not want to live in a country in a continent that's divided by the power of the far-right do we need more powers to challenge racist behavior I think we need to look at that and we probably do do we need to have police have more powers to be very active in dealing with racist language and racist activities yes we do and also understand make sure that all police under and they have a duty to bring communities together by dealing with that kind of hate crime and hate language that occurs I tell you when you talk to a group of Muslim women as I have recently about their experiences of life on the streets of this country it's not good the abuse they routinely receive on buses on trains and streets and so on is totally and absolutely unacceptable let us during the month of Ramadan be proud of the diversity of our society and respect each other's faiths each other's values and each other's ideas and that surely is a very fundamental message a country that allows itself to be divided on ethnic grounds anywhere is a country that's going to be in serious difficulties I'm determined we bring people together in all their strengths and all their diversity is is our message the same as that of the government well absolutely not our message is very very different from that of the government because a number of things one is we want to invest in the future rather than continue the tax breaks for the very wealthiest we will end austerity the treasom a rather bizarrely claimed at the Tory Party conference that austerity was over you should have seen Philip Hammonds face because he hadn't been told and he and he sits next to her at Prime Minister's question time and still doesn't appear to have been told because austerity is continuing and so we fight these elections in order to make sure that whatever the relationship in the future with Europe we are on the same page on rights and regulations and that we maintain that trading relationship as I said in my contribution and no deal breaks it would be disastrous for manufacturing in service industries across Britain and it would be disastrous for the job prospects of many people and that is why we have successfully in Parliament got a the option of no deal taken off the table so far and we also forced the government to finally concede that Parliament could have a say on this remember when this the first withdrawal bill was introduced the bill actually gave powers that Henry the eighth would have been proud after the then brexit secretary David Davis remember him which would have allowed essentially the secretary of state to decide everything we've empowered Parliament and I'm proud of what we've achieved in doing that on the message that Heather asked about what we want to do is bring people together what we want to do is get a message across about the kind of country and kind of content we want to live in and we are contesting these elections with our candidates because we want them to be elected and we want them to play their part in the European Parliament as long as they is there and I I thank her I thank the labour MEP for the work they've done on environment on challenging the unaccountable power of multinational corporations on what they've done about dealing with the refugee crisis in a decent humanitarian and human way of standing up against the far-right in the European Parliament or anywhere else so of course we collect contesting these elections very seriously in order to get that message across and work with people across Europe and indeed since I became leader of the party I've spent a great deal of time meeting fellow Socialist Party leaders across the continent trade unions community organisations and working with the party of European socialists and whatever the outcome of all this process we are still going to be working closely with them because you're not going to deal with the climate emergency on our own pollution blows across the channel both ways [Applause] thanks Jeremy and now we're going to have three questions from the audience so the canasa just to indicate you've got a question and we'll get the mic to you yourself thank you very much I'm not likely from it's for CLP I basically know that breakfast is very important at the moment but as far as I'm concerned there's more pending issues on our doorstep and that is four million children plus living in abject poverty I know we're not in government now but as a party isn't there anything we can do to start improving the lives of these children because it's totally not acceptable at all I'm from South I just wondering I think that we should go for a second vote or you would be saying that for us like a second vote to the paper I think that's like the democracy of the 17 million that voted safe while I was campaigning to become a local cancer many people angry and they were angry because bricks it didn't happen and they'd rather have a No Deal what do we say to those people when we go knock on their door again what do we actually say to them okay thanks for questions first one thank you the problem was the debate over brexit that's now gone on for so long in the British Parliament just about everything else gets drowned out for debate and discussion and I've obviously used Prime Minister's question time many times to ask questions the Prime Minister about brexit but some weeks ago I decided I wouldn't do that and they asked her about knife crime asked her about national health service asked her about austerity and the problems that are faced across the across the whole country and I had thousands of people saying thank you thank you for giving a voice to those other issues and I will to do that your point about children and their opportunities in growing up children obviously have one childhood and if that childhood is one where you can't get a nursery place your primary school is underfunded your parents and carers don't have enough money to feed you and your idea of getting food isn't going to a supermarket but going to a food bank and you're growing up with hand-me-down clothes got from a charity shop or from the equivalent of a clothes bank of equivalent to a food bank of a clothes bank and your life chances are pretty poor there was a select committee report from the house Commons Education Select Committee on the effects of nursery education or nursery opportunities and they pointed out that children that had nursery opportunity from two to four for 30 hours a week tended to do well in primary school well in secondary and go on to achieve apprenticeships University and all the options they've got those children that didn't get that opportunity were between 18 months and two years less educationally advanced than the others by the time they reach school leaving age at the end of year 11 in secondary school and that's happening now in this country and so we demand of the government to end the cuts to school budgets to end the underfunding of schools and in in brief for our policy is 30 hours free nursery provision for all two to four year olds wherever they live no postcode lottery wherever they live so they all get that same opportunity and chance proper funding of primary schools with a free school meal for every primary school child eaten together so you don't have the segregation between those that get the meal those are get the same not right bad message for the for those children and an investment in creative education and skill education so that children all children through a pupil arts premium get the opportunity to their musical instruments and develop the functional skills they need that requires money and investments in in the schools and further down the line obviously ending as announced at the NAU conference ATS at Key Stage 1 in Key Stage 2 but also further down the line beyond that is raising corporation tax in order to end university fees so that there's a real choice where do you go to university whether you go to vocation or whatever else so we're giving real hope and real opportunity in short stop making education a commodity make it a right which is what I believe it to be on the point you raised Matt thanks Anne fair point there was a referendum we all know we all know what the result of that was we all know how we voted in it but we want to bring people together and the view we put forward in the party conference put this forward and the National Executive agreed this that we should include the option of having a ballot on a public vote on the outcome of the talks and negotiations of what we're putting forward I would want that to be seen as a healing process and bringing this whole process to a conclusion nothing is easy in this but our essential message has to be to bring people together and that's the basis on which we've approached both what we've done in Parliament and in the negotiations itself the point that was raised about people being angry at No Deal yeah or angry and saying they want No Deal I just simply say this if we leave the EU at a given date with no deal whatsoever what's the immediate effect that we go on to World Trade Organization rules there's immediately a increase in prices of goods that are coming in there is immediately a problem on exporting there is immediately problem of getting goods across the channel one way or the other either through Felixstowe through Dover or through the Channel Tunnel there is a huge problem and there are massive levels of disruption and when industries in this country require just-in-time delivery to maintain their supply chain the idea that you're going to put some kind of tariff on that means quite simply it's not going to happen if the mini is made in Britain as it is but the parts cross the channel several times during the construction of that car Ford engines in Bridgend South Wales exactly the same thing Nissan in Sunderland and export largely almost overwhelmingly to European Union it's simply not going to continue as it is unless there is a customs union and trade access with the European Union so I say to those that say sod it all go away we're leaving without a deal think it through think it through seriously what it will mean for this country for your jobs and everything else and that's why we have approached this in a very serious way I've had more meetings and I've had hot dinners in the past three years with all kinds of people trade unions employers different community organisations lots of different groups and so on within Parliament in order to try to get us to go forward on the kind of agenda that we put forward customs union access the market protection of rights and a serious relationship and bring people together and don't let the siren voices of the far right or the right in our society take over we can conquer poverty we can conquer unemployment we can conquer deprivation if everybody plays their part but when you've got a government that's more interested in tax breaks for the richest than the mealtimes and needs of the poorest it's time for that government to go and get a Labour government in place that will do things differently thank you very much [Applause] you
President’s Jean Claude Juncker & Donald Tusk press conference at the European Council
Thank You Robin good evening if you know we devoted today's European Council meeting to brexit Prime Minister my repeated request to extend the article 50 period until the 30th of June and to approve the so-called Strasbourg agreement during the discussion among the year 27 the leaders approached this request in a positive spirit the European Council decided to approve the Strasbourg agreement as regards the extension our decisions and visits two scenarios in the first scenario that if if the withdrawal agreement is passed by the House of Commons next week the European Council agrees to an extension until the 22nd of May in the second scenario that is if the visual agreement is not approved by the House of Commons next week the European Council agrees to an extension until the 20th of April 12th 12th of April [Laughter] while expecting the UK to indicate a way forwards what this means in practice is that until death date all options will remain open and the cliff edge dates will be delayed the UK government will still have a choice of a deal how do you a long extension revoking article 50 the 12th of April is a key date in terms of the UK deciding whether to hold European Parliament elections if it has now decided to do so by then the option of a long extension will automatically become impossible as you know in accordance with the treaties any extension must be decided unanimously by the eu27 an agreement with the member state concerned this is why I met Prime Minister my several times tonight to make sure that the UK accepts the extension scenarios and I am pleased to confirm that we have reached an agreement on this thank you thank you and now the president of the European Commission jean-claude Juncker ladies and gentlemen since that day after referendum the position of the 27 member states and the Commission has been United and unequivocal we have worked tirelessly to negotiate to beat all agreement we have done everything we could to help cut it over the finishing line we were asked for clarifications in December we gave them we were asked for assurances in January we gave them I was asked for further reassurances last Monday in school notably with regard to the back step I gave them and so I have to welcome that today the 27 leaders endorsed the legally binding clarification assurances that Prime Minister may and I agreed in star book this closes and completes the full package there is no more than we can live we are hopeful that the agreement will be adopted by the house of accounts madam a master quacky relief news from prey who totally Savanti oddity accompli lockups more than a cursory exit no dessert and sakuni's deal help of a we're ready this week measures are in place and we're continuing the main problems and road links commissioners have been much close to discuss national preparations and emergency plans this has been a long haul so we've got to look forward now the clock is ticking not only for brexit other things too we've got to deliver things for the European citizens 321 participants legislative proposals have gone through Parliament and um Council since we started in this commission we've got to move forward tomorrow we'll be talking about our relationships with China we'll be talking about Industrial Policy and we'll be talking about sensitiveness these are important essential things for Europeans and this is what our main job is the floor for a few questions as we start right here please hello it's James Chris from be daddy's Telegraph it's question for both presidents please how long is a long extension please until the very end Calvin Lee at the BBC a question again for both presidents first of all can you describe the atmosphere in the room my understanding is that Theresa May was actually prepared and surprisingly to some for no deal if that becomes a scenario almost backing away to say if it is no deal that's where it goes and also do you feel that there's a big risk of just kicking the can down the road now the atmosphere was much better than I expected and for sure better than for example in December now not only because of the weather but also because of the molten but frankly speaking it says our motifs not the most important thing here our discussion was really really constructive and and I can only confirm that what I felt not only today but also before it's a good will and determination I know all of us our how objectively how difficult the situation is and the fact that we that we are still able to find a not the final solution of course not but but the way to do it is to ease the process for for both sides I think it's it was very very tangible and visible it's timely satisfied especially that we that you have still open so many options and mmm it means that you know what is my personal view on different I am dissatisfied and I think it's a good sign because frankly speaking I was really sad father our meeting pence now I am much more optimistic also do still move are good when they happen so out of our business faster Stoneville on a mongoose feminists like you will take one last question yes Catherine fury reporter president and president risk you said a while ago that there was a special place in hell for those who promoted brexit without a plan well with withdrawal agreement is part of a plan if British MPs don't vote for it next week do you think that special place in hell should be enlarged to include more members of the House of Commons and since May speech last night more than two million people have signed a petition to support the revocation of article 50 would you welcome at this thank you according to to our poll the hell is still empty you know and it means that it's a lot of spaces is the right moment to conclude the press conference
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oh far in those talks there's been no big offer and the red lines remain in place it's actually quite difficult negotiating with a disintegrate in government with cabinet ministers jockeying for succession rather than working for an agreement as Democratic socialists we cannot ignore that we voted to trigger article 50 in 2017 it is in the country's interest to try to get this sorted one way or the other but we can never accept the government's bad deal or a disastrous No Deal so if we can't get a sensible deal along the lines of our alternative plan or a general election labor backs the option of a public vote on it the biggest the biggest issues facing us the talks that were having with the government have been difficult because as I said the government is in some degree of disarray itself they're still ongoing our point is that we want to protect jobs protect track and protect those rights that we have obtained and we will we met again yesterday and there will be further meeting coming up but quite honestly the government has to move its red lines we cannot go on having MV 1 MV 2 and V 3 and then coming on for possibly an MV 4 or a bill that we've yet to yet to actually see
Some hardcore remainers think they have heard enough from leave-voting northern towns, but people in those places are still desperate to be heard: about poverty, cuts, and how and when we might leave the EU. As Theresa May’s deal hits the skids, Anywhere But Westminster hits Wigan: 64% leave, and still waiting for the answers
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you know it's poetry's everywhere right dear is it well there's a story storytelling is is a big thing reindeer it's it tell me the story the last three years in wicked wagon that's a woman trust only on it was a lot of beauty kills a lot of beautiful buildings that the biggest thing is the people wiggins modern story runs from deindustrialization to being one of the areas of england hardest hit by austerity it was a universal credit pilot area then it voted 64 percent for brexit well-being and any over this government out we're so some people may think we've heard enough from places like this for us it feels like exactly the right place to be on the day that Theresa Mays deal once again hits the House of Commons and what you think about where the country ended up fur Klimt is a great food recycling project the name means very hungry local site as you can see it's full i'm we're just like whatever we are definitely not a property project we're an environmental project and there's a reason for that everybody's got pride why are we suddenly had to come round so thinking about feeding people what's the answer well the answer is don't be in the situation where people need to rely on something it's where people can work towards their own sort of future the role resilience can be resilient if you're angry you can you know when you look at Maslow's I Iraq and you look at all that and you look at what's at the very bottom of that food shelter warmth at the top it's realizing your own potential something's gone very wrong there something's gone very wrong it's always working class people that try and put it right that's always in there so I was because we see it I'm are you for a minute you see that's why I pan with the anvil on there we've developed an acute talent for blaming the victims I hate it when I see programs on the TV about benefit Street and and all that if people who were to blame other people at the top we've got more than they need and won't and they won't stop that blame because it serves to blame I think people themselves feel the weight of that blame I think people do feel shame but about their position to find ourselves in but they don't all work out of it so then they get defensive so then they look a bit bombs they don't then they look a bit like well I'm not bothered anyway but oh do we know if they are cuz nobody asked those people do they the points warm they you know have a story about some that they don't really know but they're not actually talked but what if that story now is are there the people who were stupid enough to vote for brexit because you hear that oh yeah things have sort of been few yeah yeah they do however we weren't given the correct information about forensic really the number of people like you've said to me you have 250 million pound a week run for the NHS you're not going to turn that up hey it was one of the few bits at home yeah anybody yeah well get your country back get your NHS back on track stop giving these people who do note some money you know it was all that kind of premise wasn't it that story again another story good story a very convincing life because we all want to believe it don't work Teresa may as I urged MPs to back her EU withdrawal deal in a crucial vote receive I don't know what you think about Briggs in where the countries ended up onto all that graph it's easy to find people here who say things like this revolted for out get out and repair the country that's my honest but be open to what people have to say you might get to something deep well we've done a lot of damage what last few years our government they always do they need to pay a bit more attention to what we need keep listening there's a lot of crime and it's down to the fact people haven't got money provide the money for the police in the NHS you look around the shop shopping everywhere what's your job I deliver parcels for Amazon and which you make a living doing them I don't make a living doing it at all no it's a job excuse me asking how much to turn in the average week and my top line would be about 500 and then I've got to pay for my van and the fuel and everything out of that as well so you're nominally self-employed yes but you're not really no they dictate when we can work in the hours we have to work you don't worry about leaving the economy tanked and we'll have even less money than we've got now because there's enough industry in this country let's bring it back build this country again hour and a half two hours we've been talking to people that's a cliche now feels like people say we've got to leave the European Union because this country's in a bad way and I'ma remain vote so I'd say well if we leave it'll be in an even worse way but that's not the way people are thinking secondly there's this idea that the wheels are all fallen off it breaks it and yet my impression very strongly here is that people would vote believe again in just the same numbers that they voted leave last night nothing has changed yeah I was taught to leave excuse me sorry I'm finding it quite difficult to get a job get to home put down a mortgage just basically be the 23 year old that my mum was up at 23 peeler because of the state of the country and the state of labour towns like this that we live in Manchester's like a bit of a sort of hog where there's like if you feel that people judge you for being from here a bit completely well it's not unrelated question it's a related question I wonder what you think about bricks it is this big vote in parliament in general I don't think it's a really bad decision but you know about 65% of people in wicked voted for it I do I do I know I know I did I do you think that's hope I mean our generation were quite we know what's wrong and we know we don't really know how to fix it yet it's lunchtime back at are you gonna stay yeah Nikki's out I moved to Spain I personally disagree with that but there is the votes it's about democracy and values it supposedly I'm trying to send some people of how they think we're gonna do it it's going very well for it's a universal credit remote area you know that I've been on their boat five months I'm living for 19 days off normally Jesus oh well when I went on it in November after two cokes it's on Ruffo for that five-week finger so I'm saying that that 540 got a pair 4 to 5 minutes on about 50 flowing from electorate you're left with a bottle turner to live off for a moment what's the major your disability excuse me okay I got poorly on when I was born Charlie is now volunteering in the warehouse here the last time you worked what did he do I was too major after 18 years I was made redundant and I thought we massive a I thought I was gonna walk straight into a gym but I'm applying for jobs and there's a thousand people applying for a job coming to the end of the month I get that 514 it's not like I couldn't go to another blowout I'll text some carrots or I'm going on the in at all so I'll make up batches suit up and I'll freeze it keeps laughing because I've still got me team leader brain on the sausage Jews then for the campus that's what gets me through every mom classy was strange question one did you vote in the referendum three years ago yeah voted to leave tell me why you voted fully oh so much somehow it would mean that there might be more for a town like this you must have heard this a thousand times people say that when we leave the country will be even poorer no no we can add a pure grease monkey news he's been paired 1.7 million oh please they're the people leading us out of the European unit and you voted for their thing yeah do you not think you were happy no we revolted for one thing honest to reason they earned it run into earth and you don't think you had that you were lied to found that Red Bulls know anyone that's gone missing but if I put a ballot paper in front of you now with all you know now we've leaving all remain on it you'd still vote from young a still industry in Wigan some of it is quite iconic well just seen this quite by chance a factory that makes a wage here unless we work for the Guardian the newspaper and I grew up in the northwest so I didn't even know what those Rose milk balls was here since 1919 well long 1998 we started we would like to be here for another hundred Newton's brexit I think this was before but we don't know how it's gonna affect transport links we don't know how it's gonna flex Tarrasch stuffing and if we knew what we're dealing with we can deal with it all you survived the greatest fence around the Great Depression yeah two Wars one Great Depression one economic crash yeah and you're still in we're still here so a grexit is nothing charting territory markers beckon where do you think we're here completely uncharted territory I think I hope very much that we're headed for a defeat for the Prime Minister such education for the first time she might actually take some notice Bluetooth speaker obviously that used to become that pub they've been choose to be any other managers er but the pub in the kitchen and she used to clean up don't need to bring it the deeds type I thought this is Finnegan fast this is where everybody many children you just have a good time you just enjoyed yourself instead of going on the streets getting yourself in trouble what do you think about brexit really don't follow it and your future next five or 10 years I want to be a midwife I want to work with children well I want to move a to begin first I want to emigrate to Australia where my dead sister lives its ability say I have my own business I'm landscape gardener and I do property maintenance work my father killed himself with a very and so I've never got back on I've never got me in the it's not got back to it bluevine up what we're actually omelettes where you stayin at night there's nothing left at wicked what you so for surfing as they call it understand yeah and if it meant if we make enough money but go to awesome straight up yeah to be honest we made nearly you know for an old tell today but we didn't make enough so we just bought a good night I doing wrong help people I stuff and that watch mean our jobs then he stay in hotel what three view in the room he's sort of our to avoid the conclusion quite frequently that this country sort of falling apart all sorts away and then pees in the media falling over themselves to get worked up about something but it's not that it's not homelessness or the fact that young people are itinerant because there's no opportunities and their own in a whole ways a distant prospect or that that the fellow we met today is working for Amazon for effectively less for the minute less than the minimum wage or that Universal Credit doesn't work and people can't afford to eat right now as I'm standing here the houses of parliament is tearing itself to pieces about whether we're going to leave your opinion and what Jacob Riis mark wants I think the word for that is displacement activity rather than what's the vote in the Commons unfolding we decide to spend the evening I'm a choir practice in Wigan MP started going into the I know lobbyists to do this latest meaningful vote once resumes deal can't get any more specific this is a fledgling local charity for living with life helps families deal with the reef hahaha MPs reject ways breaks it deal for second time by a majority of 114 the fire is filled for people who were come from all different walks of life we've all got stuff that's going on that's really tough to deal with and to be able to get your own mental health in our demand coming together for a common purpose early mental health preventative treatments is that the minute the way we deal with bereavement even when we know it's gonna happens we just come in after it's happened so if people have lived life really well and they've said everything that they need to say in this cycle by to the family as well you've left with less regrets the question I would ask people all day is what does Wigan need I mean as a single mum I work two part-time jobs at the minute to make a living with life happen for people within the reading community they've got the ideas the only thing that they're lacking at the minute is the funding for me I believe that our idea literally could change the world Wiggin is still waiting for some kind of answer to what he told politicians back in June 2016 but the tragedy of brakes is that the problems of places like this have been all but forgotten amongst all the Westminster drama more than ever they have things to tell us we ought to listen in the past our and peas have voted overwhelmingly to reject the Prime Minister's revised brexit deal for the second time 17 days before Eugene is due to leave
Now what’s this we hear …………………………………. Ah yes, the latest news from Labour, tearing itself apart.
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Seven Labour MPs have decided that Corbyn’s party is no longer the place for them so they have resigned from Labour and ripped away to form their own small independent grouping in the Commons.
They are claiming that the Labour Party has become anti-semitic and that they are not happy with Corbyn’s Brexit stance, because he won’t fully back a second referendum.
They had a press conference this morning, giving their reasons but this was overshadowed a bit by one of the BBC microphones picking up an unknown male voice saying:
“Between this and Brexit we are actually f****d.”
as well as:
“It’s going to be so divided … The Conservatives are going to win.”
Not so sure about that, what with the internal Tory divisions over Brexit.
One assumes that those defective … sorry – defecting seven Labour MPs will still vote against Theresa May’s deal and so, we hope, will the overwhelming majority of the opposition parties.
Put in a wedge of Brexiteer Tories, then her deal is toast and her premiership looks very shaky indeed.
We could then see some anti-Brexit Tories resigning their whip and forming an independent group of their own, they may even join those seven ex-Labour MPs – you never know.
And the scuttlebutt is that Anna Soubry might be one of them after she removed reference to being a life long One Nation Tory from her Twitter page!
As a result of all of this, Betfair has slashed the odds of Jeremy Corbyn being replaced as Labour leader this year, from 2 to 1 against down to 5 to 4 on.
For his part Jeremy Corbyn said:
“I am disappointed that these MPs have felt unable to continue to work together for the Labour policies that inspired millions at the last election and saw us increase our vote by the largest share since 1945.”
And the leader of the Liberal Democrats, Vince Cable, jumped in hopefully responding with:
“It is not unexpected, or unwelcome, that a group of Labour MPs have decided to break away from Corbyn’s Labour; in part motivated by his refusal to follow the party’s policy on Brexit.”
The UKIP leader Gerard Batten said:
“The Labour Party is divided between Jeremy Corbyn’s Marxist ideologues and the Blairite faction of Islington elites who sold out the interests of the British working class long ago. Neither group is representative of the people. History tends to repeat itself, and this looks like a re-run of the SDP split during the 1980s.”
And while all this plays out there is an unwelcome consequence for the Remainers, because the flood of scare-mongering for Project Fear has gone largely unnoticed today.
One of the scare stories that will be leapt on though, is the reported imminent announcement from Honda that they will, over the next three years, close their 3,500 worker plant in Swindon where they make the Civic model.
The blame will be put at the door of Brexit of course, but there are other concerns. One is the decline in demand for diesel cars but, more interestingly, Autocar cites another couple of culprits:
The first is the new deal that Japan has made with the EU that makes it more cost effective to make the cars in Japan and then export them into the EU. So maybe this would have happened if we’d voted Remain?
The second is the threat of tariffs being applied by the US on cars imported from Europe, something that may also apply to Brexit UK.
And Autocar also says:
“Back in 2008, Swindon produced more than 230,000 cars annually, but with production of the Accord, plus the Jazz and CR-V, since moved elsewhere in the world, that number has nearly halved.”
hello there now what's this we hear ah yes the latest news from labor tearing itself apart seven Labour MPs have decided that Corbin's party is no longer the place for them so they have resigned from Labour and ripped away to form their own small independent grouping in the Commons they are claiming that the Labour Party has become anti-semitic and that they are not happy with Corbin's brexit stance because he weren't fully back a second referendum they had a press conference this morning giving their reasons but this was overshadowed a bit by one of the BBC microphones picking up an unknown male voice saying between this and brexit we are actually as well as it's going to be so divided the Conservatives are going to win now I'm not so sure about that what with the internal Tory divisions over brexit one assumes that these defective sorry defecting 7 Labour MPs will still vote against Theresa Mays deal and so we hope will the overwhelming majority of the opposition parties put in a wedge of brexit ear Tories then her deal is toast and her Premiership looks very shaky indeed we could then see some anti brexit Tories resigning their whip and forming an independent group of their own they may even join those 7 ex Labour MPs you never know and the scuttlebutt is that anna sube might be one of them after she removed reference to being a lifelong one nation Tory from her Twitter page as a result of all of this Betfair has slashed the odds of Jeremy Corbyn being replaced as Labour leader this year from two to one against down to 5 to 4 on for his part Jeremy Corbyn said I am disappointed that these MPs have felt unable to continue to work together for the labor policies that inspired millions at the last election and saw us increase our vote by the largest share since 1945 labour won people over on a program for the many not the few redistributing wealth and power taking vital resources into public ownership investing in every region and nation and tackling climate change the Conservative government is bungling brexit while labour has set out a unifying and credible alternative plan where millions are facing the misery of universal credit rising crime homelessness and poverty now more than ever is the time to bring people together to build a better future for us all and the leader of the Liberal Democrats Vince Gable jumped in hopefully responding with it is not unexpected or unwelcome that a group of Labour MPs have decided to break away from Corbin's labour in part motivated by his refusal to follow the party's policy on brexit the Liberal Democrats are open to working with like-minded groups and individuals in order to give the people the final say on brexit with the option to remain in the EU we will be engaging in talks to progress both that campaign and a wider political agenda the UK leader Gerard batten said the Labour Party is divided between jeremy corbyn's Marxist ideologues and The Blair right fraction of Islington elites who sold out the interests of the British working-class long ago neither group is representative of the people history tends to repeat itself and this looks like a rerun of the SDP split during the 1980s the Lib blab con is splitting apart on all fronts and the only National Party which remains united is you Kip the establishment parties will not serve the will of the seventeen point four million people who voted to leave the European Union and it is this which is cracking up the old political consensus you keep alone stands for a complete unencumbered exit from the European Union and is the only party committed to serving the national interest and while all this plays out there is an unwelcome consequence for the remainders because the flood of scaremongering for a project fear has gone largely unnoticed today one of the scare stories that will be left on though is the reported imminent announcement from Honda that they will over the next three years close their 3,500 worker plant in Swindon where they make the Civic model the blame will be put at the door of brexit of course but there are other concerns one is the decline in demand for diesel cars but more interestingly auto car sites another couple of culprits the first is that the New Deal that Japan has made with the EU makes it more cost-effective to make the cars in Japan and then export them into the EU so maybe this would have happened even if we'd voted to remain the second is the threat of tariffs being applied by the US on cars imported from Europe something that may also apply to brexit UK and our auto car also says back in 2008 Swindon produce more than 230,000 cars annually but with production of the Accord plus the Jazz and CRV since moved elsewhere in the world the number has nearly halved and from Wiki just to show that brexit can't be blamed for everything the last Accord came off the Swindon lines in 2002 production of the Jazz was moved back to Japan from Swindon in 2014 the CRV went to Canada in 2018 after it was announced in 2015 but the big message here is that relying almost totally on foreign owned concerns to provide jobs for your population within whole sectors of the economy as well as allowing non UK politicians to make the big decisions is never going to be secure and is not a clever idea in the long run bring on brexit and the return of full control to within these shores anyway please let us all know what you think by leaving a comment below and thank you for watching please do like and share this video and also subscribe to my channel and when subscribing please do remember to press on the little bell next to the subscribe button that way you're getting alert every single time I put up a new video thank you very much for watching you
Westmonster caught up with Nigel Farage to get his view on all that is going on.
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microwave here for west months that we've Nigel fright radio Nigel fine but boom used you know because this was the big Prime Minister's speech yesterday today I've spoken at over twenty you get conferences five of them as party chairman ten of them as party leader I remember the first ever you get conference during the national anthem the sign fell off the stage under the floor but you know what we were a month old I've also spoken I remember the manifesto launched in 2015 I was ill you know and the heck it was a hell of a struggle so all those problems and difficulties that can happen a competent I have seen but for the whole lot that happened on one day suggests to me that the whole thing's a shambles what was even worse though than the conference and the content of the speech which will come on to was when I saw the cabinet standing out to applaud I just thought is this the best our country's got it really is pathetic and I think unless something very rapid very radical happens we're headed for hardline socialism so yeah I mean you've tweeted that you know after reason most days in places Prime Minister you think there'll be a calming government do you think that's now inevitably if she does stay in that role as primary but all Corbin needs to do is just sort of eat his vegan food and generally tour around the country and not do too much she's doing it for him she's doing it for him and then in terms of content I mean the very thought but it's a Conservative government that will now own our bodies when we're dead I mean of course there's a very good argument for organ transplant very good argument in date and I would encourage people to opt in to it and we can do that for education we can do it through our GP surgeries but the thought that the states owns your body and can do with it as it wishes afterwards is a fundamentally unconservative wholly liberal principle that was one of her big takeouts event to talk about a housing revolution it cannot build five thousand houses a year and that's a revolution and then to cap it all literally price controls on energy I mean while I set the price of bread what it was cause up the Communist Party the whole thing's unbelievable there is no there was nothing for brexit ears in that speech at all there was no vision there was no clarity I'm sorry she had a cough I'm not going to criticize her for that as I say I've been there I know what it's like to feel ill and be in front of an audience but but the there is a total lack of professionalization in the party and its accuracy can you imagine a tu Kip conference I mean nobody would have got within 10 yards of me before they were rugby tackled to the ground at best yeah get the whole thing's a sham what do you make if you mentioned house what do you make of the fact this seems to be complete lack of talking about borders now and controlling migration that aspect of the you know the housing issue is just been completely abandoned well of course as I remember from the alternative leaders debate in 2015 when I was there with sturgeon and whatever that green woman's name was Natalie something car remember doesn't matter but I mean it was interesting but Miliband was there too and I said to those leaders of the other parties claiming Cameron weren't there I said do any of you here think was a link between net migration and housing oh no we're just not building enough houses the last time I looked we have to build a new house every three and a half minutes in this country and you dwelling every three and a half minutes just to cope with current levels of migration so they've tried I think to ignore the assayer have done the same they think they can get away with it because there is a current lack of potency and you kept coming that remains to be seen what will happen with their new leader and we're all going to put up with open borders continuing for the next five years well I think at some point they might be in for a real surprise you mentioned a few times now consider MPs and private perhaps not some of the so yeah what are you hearing what is really interesting so I was up at mat I've been Magister on Sunday and with a microphone for LBC see many people and you say isn't the reason a hopeless no she's really great okay and don't you need a new leader I know we're really happy we'll either we've got oh isn't it time for a contest of some kind to try and work out some real direction for Brexton the Conservative Party no no no the last thing the party needs is a contest and then you turn the microphone off and may take the clip off herself she's hopeless she's gotta go this is happening right through the passing absolutely everyone I speak to in private think she's a disaster and yet no one's got the guts in public to say it I also want to know that Hall was at least 75 percent leave where are they where are the protests over transition periods over open-door immigration carrying on for five years over the lack of ability to sign trade deals with the rest of the world Jeanette back in 1992 3i I put my faith in the conservative party in the rebels the backbenchers I believe they would crush Maastricht or a very least get us a referendum on the issue and in the end they put their loyalty to the leader and the party above their own conscience and above the interests of the country and I think we're beginning to see the same thing happening again what do you make of this so-called implementation period transition period do you think there's a real danger that the can being kicked down the road in such a way could actually put the whole brexit process in peril could we see by the next election labor going further you know completely saying the customs eunuchs and the modelling labor have almost gotten there already yeah I mean one of the biggest disappointments of a lot is we know that Corbin on this and on you and on unilateral nuclear disarmament and so you're seeing through Starla and others you know a labor position that looks like the cat you know the single market customs union is is their long-term goal and on the current course they're gonna win the next election if there was a push to house Teresa is there an obvious candidate in your mind that you would like to see replace her in terms of guaranteeing that brexit well the one thing being a bit older the new luck that in West monster that I've learned is that history tells you the front-runner never wins now that ever wins Hesseltine was the front-runner with his friend Geoffrey Howe sort of putting the boot in but has the time it was obvious the hassle time would become the next leader he didn't the front-runner never wins so on that basis it won't be Boris so who will it be i won you know couple years back we were told Jeremy Corbyn may not get enough signatures of MPs to even be on the ballot paper them a suggestion was the qualitative backbenchers signed the papers without really believing in him just just just thinking there ought to be a proper contest that went on and then what seems on the ballot paper we were told we'll look he's a backbencher he's been 30 years on the back benches never been a party spokesman no experience and never held a senior role in any Commons committee it quite unthinkable that somebody could come from the back benches and and storm the Labour Party leadership and you know what he did there's a chap from Somerset you might have heard of him Jacob something Rhys mugs in almost exactly the same position because he's never been a spokesman for the party not held senior position in politics and I just I'm beginning to wonder whether perhaps this party that cabinet that we saw yesterday looks so tired so devoid of ideas is so obviously never lose to me the next election if they continue as they are that maybe just maybe the radical option is the one they're go for so I do you know what a couple weeks ago I thought that I thought the mock medicine thing was a bit of fun great fun and I like Jacob he's great but I didn't think he was seriously gonna go anywhere I'm beginning to change my mind well Westmont stores in Manchester we saw huge crowds everywhere he went pretty much so yeah I mean this certainly seems to be a sense of momentum behind it just changing topics slightly and obviously you're one of Britain's most experienced MEP you've been out in the European Parliament a long time now we saw this week I think something's been a bit underreported which is this MEP value again sufficient progress being made yeah and of course the reason it's significant is because the European Parliament in the end will get a vote on a final deal we find out today and we've report on Westminster they actually took included two conservative MEP over here voted against this would have been a lot more Tori's have they not been up at Manchester look the European Parliament resolution goes a lot further than anything Barnea has talked about anything for hofstadt evens a publicly talked about do that again the European palate resolution goes way beyond everything that mr. Barney has talked about mr. Jonker has talked about and even in public mr. Verhofstadt has talked about I mean it even includes full rights under the ECJ for children born in this country to European parents you know in the years to come it's impossible and yet the Parliament passed it by 5 1957 votes to 92 including yes a couple of British conservatives would have been a lot more Conservatives have they not been up in Manchester so you do begin to say to yourself well even if a sensible deal gets thrashed out maybe just maybe we're at a situation where whatever deal we do the European Parliament going to veto it anyway so maybe it's better just for the government say right here's a deadline this is what we want if we don't get it we're just out we could just but we could literally be wasting on time yeah do you think I mean do you think the chances of that passed in the European Parliament quite slim now having seen that vote the final deal doesn't look pretty I'm just changing topics like Henry Bolton knew you get lead yep crammed in at the conference I think he wasn't ground he was elected yeah that's a very important point to make yeah look I've learned Henry bomb for a few years a very very sound solid decent guy more experienced than the other party leaders added up together and multiplied by ten he's done things in life he's run things in life he's got a heck of a difficult job but let me be clear I like him I'm for him I don't want to help him move back out okay and finally Catalonia oversea I got speaking writing quite no show huge ramifications potentially in terms of the Russell saying that they'll have to leave the independence referendum the ugly scenes the lack of response that we saw the from this this brutality on the streets I mean what do you make it all I think that the Spanish government have grossly misjudged Catalonia in terms of the way they've behaved I think the independence movement in Catalonia now has big momentum and fascinatingly here's an independence movement that might say not just two fingers up to Madrid but to Brussels also I think it's very very worrying I thought the words of Timmerman's yesterday when he said that necessary force had been used well he could have said that about the Hungarian rebellion 256 or the Prague Spring in 68 they do begin to resemble to me the old Soviet as Trump would say bad people martyr France thank you very much thank you
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The Chinese President Xi Jinping is arriving for a state visit to Britain on Monday. The government will be trying to build on trading links established during the Chancellor’s recent visit to China. But the Chinese powerhouse has been blowing a fuse recently and the establishment of closer links will be far from straightforward. Jon Snow talks to Chinese ambassador to Britain.
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we're joined now by China's ambassador to Britain new chattering and he's with us right now and the president President Xi is coming all the way to a middle-ranking European nation and nowhere else and then going home what does he hope to get from Britain ambassador he will be here for promoting relations he's in China UK and you regard UK as a middle-ranking country we do not think this way we still believe UK is a country with a global influence is one of the powerhouse and China UK you know have a lot of to cooperate y'okay now is China's second largest trading partner within EU and China is UK second largest trading power outside Europe and UK is the largest recipient of Chinese investment so in the past three years China's investment is booming here in UK but the backdrop in China is not an easy one a 20% reduction in imports and of course this catastrophic fall in the stock market and was the president gonna be able to say well all that's behind us there when you look at the China economy you have to focus on big picture you have to see China's economy in the long term bill I think fundamentally and basically China economy is still sound and good for the first half of this year the growth rate of China economy is 7% China is still a leading country in the world in terms of the growth of his economy but don't you think these events had talked to us about a degree of tension between the idea of a communist state and a free market economy can you really have that marriage I don't think you'll put a China the definition of China as a communist state is right what we China has this official name People's Republic China and the led by the Communist Party of China just like here in this country you're winning is a conservative party collectin a non communist party to run China but I the Communist Party provide a strong leadership and enjoying the people support so people support the Communist Party as their leader to lead China from poverty to prosperity so why should we rock the boat and you just look at the the past 30 years China you know turning from relatively poor country into the second largest economy it's a miracle so do you think Britain has talked too much about human rights in China do you think they've stopped talking about human rights in can talk about human rights no country is perfect you know I think from your video clips you give the impression that once you talk about human rights in China you always talk about negative side of China no country is perfect but when you talk about human right you have to have a comprehensive view what are the human rights you know I think people have a right to a better life for better education for better job I think everyone would agree that Chinese people live better live longer they enjoy their life but the things which exercise people are executions and our detentions and there are detentions of very large numbers of people where a lot of people you talk about a hundred people you have to remember China is a population 1.3 billion you get rather more than one hundred people of us know you know I do not know how many prisoners in here in you okay I know they all been trowed through normal legal process you know China is a country ruled by law for those people who write it at all they have to be held accountable so that's a you know all country ruled by and law have to respect the law we might different with regard to how countries run but I think we agree that country should be governed by rule of law have you been to the Royal Academy to see Iowa ways art exhibition to be frank with you he's not my taste but there are so many beautiful museums here in UK but I've been so busy I have to squeeze I've to you know make money but he's he is the most famous artist Chinese art I don't think so and he's sure I think he's very Suze I think he's famous because he is a critical Oh Chinese government policy why do you bother with him why is he a problem why is it problem yeah I mean you know he has a problem you know here and he has because you have a problem with him I do not have a problem with him but the Chinese state has a problem with it you know the problem is because he was under investigation because of a fraud of counting you know he has been denied for exit but now he can come out and to put up his exhibition that shows how free China is let me ask you a final question the New Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has attacked Chinese China's free-market philosophy particularly regarding what happened to the victims of the fire in Chiang Joan in which a lot of firemen died and a lot of workers died and he specifically blamed China's free market for that disaster are you disappointed in this new apparently left-wing leader of the Labour Party in fact to share my latest encounter with him I just had a meeting with him this afternoon oh that's first to prepare for the meetings job that he's going to have with the president we talked quite a lot we talked about the contributions they are made by the Labour Party to the development of China UK relations and we talked about the party to party changes the Labour Party so relations on it real listener good you know the incident you're talking about is a bad incident it's a tragedy and the Chinese government you know also investigate this those who are accountable that those will be held accountable will be punished will be put behind a bar there's no mercy about it let's not talk about that thank you very very much for coming in my pleasure you
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Matt Wrack, FBU general secretary and Catherine McKinnell MP discuss the upcoming Labour leadership contest on Sky News 20/7/16.
let's discuss this further now joined by the general secretary of the Fire Brigades Union Matt wrack who supports mr. Corbin and by Catherine McKenna will be very first member at the Shadow Cabinet to resign over mr. Corbin's leadership she is now supporting Owen Smith good evening to you both we've had this remarkable figure revealed this evening at Matt racket 183 thousand applications made to the Labor Party in just 48 hours to have the rights to vote people feel very strongly about this but are you confident they feel strongly in the right direction for you that they're supporting Jeremy Corbyn or not well would that remains to be seen there's going to be debate and the discussion in the Labour Party now for the next two months and people will discuss the issues on our hope is done in a friendly and comrade being polite manner and people need to discuss the policies but I think a lot of labor pie members are angry about the decision of the National Executive to exclude some 130,000 plus members who had joined after January the 12th and who have been exclusive may well be the mayor they were prepared to cough up the 20 many of those people may now have rejoined to pay the additional 29-foot I do want to take a one-point you in your introduction by the way you introduce you refer to Owen Smith as the unity candidate I think that's completely unfair I don't accept that term and impartial journalism list I would argue Jeremy Corbyn his unity candidate Catherine McKenna watching you make is Owen Smith the unity candidates well as far as I'm concerned he very much is and I think he gives a lot of hope to and not just members of the parliamentary Labour Party so Labour MPs in Parliament but also a lot of members out in the country that he can actually unify the party bring us together and make us into a credible opposition to the tory government and ultimately a Labour government for this country about those people would saw in John Craig's reports even in his own constituency saying I've never heard of him outside of Westminster he doesn't have a profile to see it how worrying is that well I mean I don't know where they found those people and I heard it one of the his predecessors a former minister saying in the valleys if you even go a few blocks down they don't recognize you but I that Owen has got a big personality he's got a lot of ideas he's got a lot of energy and I know for next two months he and many of us who support him are going to be getting out and about up and down the country meeting talking and listening to members and ultimately making sure they make the right choice as to who can be the leader that can take us into government and as for the current made party leader Jeremy Corbyn I mean he faced an absolute mauling at Prime Minister's Questions today didn't he from the new prime minister at Theresa May comparing him to an unscrupulous boss well I think in the interesting I think what's of people watching this whole thing unfold over the past few weeks will a senior nick clegg is called the lib dem leaders called on jeremy corbyn's resign david cameras caught on the run to resign many of the parliamentary labels and yes well it looks like to me the whole political establishment is saying that jeremy corbyn should resume i have to say that suggests too many ordinary people he must be doing something right because it seems disillusion actually my parties interested he stays but it's in the country's interested well I think he was making a clear point that he should resign that's the political establishment same jeremy corbyn because they don't want that sorts of policies what jeremy corbyn it is ignited a genuine interest among ordinary people in what sort of society the one we don't want more cuts we don't want on or in HS prime time we want workers rights those sorts of issues which now interests me Owen Smith is now adopting and claiming that he's as radical as Jeremy what Matt's describing our socialist values that all Labour MPs share and that we all want to see and that we all want to see put into practice in the country and Jeremy does hold those beliefs nobody doubts that but does he have the ability to actually translate them into practical policies that will actually deliver that change can he bring together the right people that can actually deliver that change in Parliament and at the moment the answer to that is emphatically no and it's a very dangerous situation for our country as we saw with the recent decision on the European Union referendum where labour did not have a strong enough Royce in that debate and a lot of people feel let down we have to accept the result everyone has to accept the result but everybody also accepts that labour did not have a strong enough position in that and if we're going to have a functioning parliamentary democracy we need a strong parliamentary pot with a leader that leaves the Labour MPs in Parliament at the moment eighty percent are very clear cannot biggest charters in this coup against Jeremy Cormac Corbin had the biggest majorities against remaining in the Union you they couldn't win the arguments in our own constituencies and their blame Jeremy is absolutely outrageous hardened jeremy corbyn fought a very good campaign on the issue and he was most it's his skepticism about the EU i think reflects the views of many working people in my own Union if we'd gone a son labour remain campaigner said and said pretend there's nothing wrong with the EU we would be left off the court so Jeremy Corbyn skepticism actually talents get back to the campaign the leadership campaign though and a Corbin spokesman has said Jeremy wants the campaign to be focused on policies and on how we get labor elected so we can deliver for the people labour speaks four stars Jeremy and do those around him really care about getting elected because some have suggested that actually getting elected isn't the priority it's about occupying lioren saying that I don't think that's what people are saying it's all of their thank you and it's not watch online Oh John that's not what's on like it's not what John Hanson has said he's being misquoted jeremy corbyn has led labor to creating the biggest mass party in post-war history that's a remarkable achievement if labour is going to win unfortunately can't realize some in the polymer she later think on Rupert Murdoch particulars for a friendly press we have to be out in the communities and by building a mass party that's what the late jeremy has a change but it actually building the Labour Party's on our own press evented scale under jeremy corbyn's leadership that's a remarkable achievement and instead of criticizing for it people the parliamentary by your party should have been getting behind him what's making Labour's what's damaging Labour's electoral chances is what has how can you do alternately i think and i have based my decisions and the way I've acted so see I was the first resign finish shadow cabinet because I could see that it was a very negative situation within the party and I felt I needed to represent my constituents better and I could do that for the back pensions hi listen to my constituents and they are telling me overwhelmingly they have always voted labour they are very worried that they will not able to vote labour under the current leadership and that is ultimately what we need to change if we're going to get a little government all right we're out of time at Catherine McKenna and mattracks thank you both very much indeed ability just thank you
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well I saw the the title of this debate my heart lifted actually I thought oh a fisheries fund I wonder what they're going to use that for maybe they're going to use it to pay some rent to the British government for the use of their fishing grounds or maybe they're going to use this fund to compensate Spanish fishermen and other fishermen who are no longer going to be able to fish in British fishing grounds but I don't get them that impression here at all it's just going to be business as usual post brexit you continue to plunder our fishing grounds just as you have done for the last 40 years I live on the east coast of England to near two big fishing ports they were big fishing ports when I was a child of course but they've just gone a whole society and industry has been wrecked by this European Union and we really did hope when this referendum came up that there would be a change at last we would be able to get our fishing grounds back and the fisherman was so uplifted they campaign so hard they had flotillas going down the East Coast up the Thames and when the referendum result came in they cheered and cheered and cheered but those chairs are absolutely in vain you have no intention do you of getting out of our waters short of us putting warships in there I really don't know what we're going to do now I finished my time and my colleague Mike Holcomb will continue thank you
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mr. Faraj five minutes thank you good morning what I have tried for 20 years to do myself out of this job and I thought I'd succeeded little did I realize what the UK political class would do so the morning message is I'm coming back in fact lots and lots of us are coming back because mr. behalf stat is right yes I said that first time ever you're quite right the brexit party will sweep the board in these elections and there is only one way it can be stopped and that is if the governing party of mrs. may and the opposition to mr. Corbyn come together and agree to a permanent customs union and indeed effectively membership of the single market if that happens the brexit party won't win the European elections but it will win the general election because the betrayal will be so complete and utter so I don't believe it's gonna happen and it's 15 years as a joint also president of a group I have been to dozens of European summits and again and again I've seen conflict between nation-states and the European institutions whether it was the Austrians or the Irish or the Hungarians or indeed the Greeks and there is one golden rule always and that is that Brussels wins the power and might of Brussels always wins but I've never been to a European summit quite like last week where for the second time in two weeks a British prime minister comes along and begs begs for an extension to article 50 it was humiliating not just to be in Brussels but humiliating for the standing of our country around the world you know the commonwealth america many of these countries that actually like us still believe that we're a great nation and yet we have sunk to this a prime minister that promised as we'd leave on the 29th of March that then said we might leave on the 12th of April that we definitely leave on the 30th of June and now we're being told we'll leave on the 31st of October Halloween trick or treaty make your minds up and if it's your last day mr. Yonker well I hope that we leave together on that day but actually if it's left to this appalling Prime Minister if it's left to our politicians in Parliament I know that it's not going to happen in the past I know I've always criticized the power without accountability of senior bureaucrats in Brussels but for once I have to say that this mess is not your fault your position has been clear from the start the mess is the fault of British politics of two parties who both promised us in their manifestos they would deliver brexit who signed up to article 50 which expressly said we would leave with or without a deal that is where the betrayal is and I do share with members great sadness about appalling tragedy or the not Road on being burnt down yes that he's something very beautiful has been lost but something very vital is being lost in the United Kingdom and I thought the deaths column of a Times newspaper yesterday summed it up rather well UK democracy on the 29th of March 2019 aged 312 it was with sad regret that democracy died quietly in her sleep at 11:00 p.m. on March the 29th 2019 the cause of death was foul play and the culprits have yet to be brought to justice democracy campaigned for the rule of law human rights and always always favoured the majority in her decisions she will be sorely missed God have mercy on our soul what is happening in British politics beginning on May the 23rd isn't now just about brexit isn't now just about us leaving the European Union it's about what kind of country we are we have the oldest longest serving continuous Parliament in the world the mother of Parliament's we have fought and given much for that principle of nation-state democracy not just for us but for our friends in Europe too I sense among some in my country disillusionment but in others I sense a burning anger not one to put on yellow vests and protest but one that says we need a peaceful political revolution in our country we need to sweep away the two-party system that has led us down so badly and I think you're all going to be very very surprised by what happens on May the 23rd it will be a new future for British democracy and goodness me it's needed [Applause] you
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well the political reverberations from last week's European referendum continue to send seismic shock waves through the British political landscape there are earthquakes in the UK's two largest parties the Tories are tearing themselves apart and backstabbing Blairites are attempting a coup in the Labour Party the former vice chair of the ruling Conservative Party Nigel Evans said this week that the Westminster scene makes house of cards look like tele tubbies he joins me now thanks so much Nigel for coming back on the show we only deal with issues on going under your not personalities but just explain that comment you made about house of cards and Teletubbies well intrigue treachery you've got it all if Michael Dobson no wrote house of cards who sits in the House of Lords if he tried to have written what's gone on in the last week people would have said it's a bit far-fetched that Michael isn't it I mean we can barely believe it I've been a member of parliament for 24 years and I've never seen scenes like it at Westminster it's not only the leadership fest within my own party and at one stage we had more runners and riders than the Grand National but that's whittled down to five and of course the intrigue as to Boris I mean I just can't make sense of it it's moving so rapidly now of course as I said but sadly don't really matter it is the issues so whether it's Boris or it's Gove what what do you think of the outcome of the rector referendum as regards bricks it actually happening you please I absolutely delighted I was a shadow Secretary of State for Wales at a time when they had the referendum in Wales on devolution and it was forty nine point six percent against 50.3 in favor that was on a fifty two percent turn out what happened we gave devolution to Wales now this one is much much larger as you know fifty two percent in favor of Lee forty-eight percent against on a seventy two percent Turner 1.4 million more people voting to leave the European Union the deciding to stay and David Cameron at The Dispatch Box on Monday accepting the verdict of the British people President yanka accepting the verdict of the British people and indeed one of our leading tenders for the Tory leadership who was on the remain campaign just I'm talking about Theresa May she didn't fight a valiant campaign I mean she was a sub radar for most of it and I suspect it's because of the fact that many of us thought that she really was a break sit here but the fact is she is now accepted that we're going to leave the European Union it's now a matter of when not if well you mentioned Brussels Berlin corridors of Westminster is the delay in article 50 really more to do with Washington maybe even the Federal Reserve as regards the attack on the pound which has been rising when there was a lot of quantitative easing and put in and again is dropping yeah well we were through project favor we're told that everything would collapse and it would be Armageddon and there would be a recession and a plague of locusts I mean none of this is happening there was clearly jitters within the market and that's now corrected itself the shares all the way up but surely it corrected itself because quarter of a quarter of a trillion pounds that's double the NHS annual budget is being printed in money to do this this and can the Bank of England keeping this money not this confidence there is confidence out there I mean we we know that the market expected remain to win and that's how when the pound went up there on the night I mean I remember ten o'clock on thursday very well when I was told that the pound is up the shares are up you gave say seven percent lead for remain and Nigel Farage has conceded defeat and what happened you know the Newcastle result came in a couple of hours later and then everybody knew history was in the making now we knew the influence of the conservative press she was very important given the leak a letter from the leadership candidate Michael Gove how much pressure can Rupert Murdoch and maybe the Lord Dacre from the Daily Mail how much pressure can they put on this debate before article 50 as regards the type of negotiation we have I think that there will be a lot of scrutiny as to the processes that government follows post-september the night when we've got our new leader and I think just everybody will want to make absolutely certain that there is absolutely no backtracking we are going to leave the European Union in its entirety so there's none of this backtracking as to whether we are in the single market or outside the single market the fact is that if we try and do a deal with the European Union on free trade access to their markets and they say only if there is unrestrained numbers coming in here UK what we're here just ain't gonna happen immigration was an integral part a pivotal part of the campaign for the eight weeks people are very concerned about controlling immigration numbers from within the European Union to the United Kingdom and if we can't get a deal on that there's not an acceptance by the European Union that we are going to actually have proper border controls then as far as I'm concerned we will trade with the European Union but outside of the single market do you think the Home Secretary Theresa May who's the bookies favourite and we should say favorites for conservative leadership never win I think draya's well Boris was her favorite and look he pulled out so you're right it was forbidden may does she share those views as to the single market and vs. immigration wells in red lines that's one of the unknown questions that I people like myself will need to get answered before I decide now where my votes going to be was with Boris and now I will be looking at all the candidates that are there and I'll be seeking assurances from them that number one that we're going to leave the European Union and Teresa's you know ticks the box there and so do all the clearly the brexit ear candidates and number two about the controls on immigration that cannot be compromised as far as access to the single market and we can write off crab who on social media is known just for alleged homophobia and Liam Fox who's been on this show who is yeah Larry hawkish secretary-general oh I'm a gay man open a gay man and I've got no problems with Stephen Crabbie's really I've known him for many years I he's not homophobic and I've known liam fox fur for many years as well he's a great friend of mine and in fact if anything the the field of the candidates that we've got a very strong I like each of them in in in some ways and some have got weaknesses some have got different strengths and I think it's going to be up to the people like me to decide where we're going to go now with our Boris votes as to where it's going to finally end up there Joe levels thank you thank you
The UK election returned a hung parliament. Prime Minister Theresa May is trying to form a new government with the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP). Who are they and what do they stand for?
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the UK has a hung parliament meaning no party won a majority plunging Britain into political chaos and possibly delaying brexit talks if the devastating blows of Teresa made but she may have found a lifeline with Northern Ireland's Democratic Unionist Party or DUP so who are the DUP it's the largest party in Northern Ireland co-founded in 1971 by Ian Paisley who once called the Pope the Antichrist traditionally they drew support from the Protestants former leaders were linked to paramilitary forces during the Catholic and Protestant violence in the 70s 80s and 90s now the party led by 46 year-old Arlene Foster becomes the fifth largest in the House of Commons they are up two seats from eight in the last Parliament the DUP is pro-british supports a softer approach to brexit and easier travel between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland they see Northern Ireland as part of Britain and are against the promotion of the Irish language they are anti-catholic opposed same-sex marriage and abortion some members have been accused of disrespecting women gay people and ethnic minorities the party also supports the UK's nuclear defense system putting them the odds of Jeremy Corbyn maize campaign accuses Corvin of being a terrorist sympathizer for replies to Irish National Party she insane can the same be said about the Conservatives
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with a deadline of the 29th of March looming very large on the horizon there is an assumption West fest myths Westminster that we can get very close to the wire and then demand an extension to article 50 this is a dangerous assumption the longer we wait to ask for an extension the weaker the negotiating position of the government the closer we get to the 29th of March the greater the concessions other EU member states will seek from the UK in return for securing their agreement and the nearer we are to the European elections the more difficult it will be to reconcile anything more than a short extension with the arrangements to reshape that Parliament to reflect Beck's brexit so we need to ask for an extension to article 50 now something but look at last night the EU indicated it would consider positively the UK government need to face the fact that threats and ultimatums will not somehow lead the EU to compliance submission because while I'm sure that no one in the EU wants the UK to crash act with no deal can we blame our European partners if they're exasperated beyond measure by what they have seen in the last few weeks and whilst brexit is surely the dominant issue in British politics we delude ourselves if we think that brexit is the main focus in France in Germany in Spain in Portugal any of the mature democracy faced by a challenge of the sort posed by brexit would have seen a government seeking to build a broad-based consensus about how to move forward in admittedly difficult circumstances but the government of the United Kingdom manifestly failed to reach out rather it embarked on a narrow partisan strategy to unite the Conservative Party not the country a strategy based on red lines self-imposed deadlines and on an inability to listen to or respect the legitimate interests of the other party in the negotiation the eu-27 a strategy which has failed to do anything to bridge the deep in society even so the historic defeat of the withdrawal agreement and political declaration would have in any normal times resulted in the resignation of the Prime Minister and an immediate change in direction but following that defeat we heard encouraging words to the Prime Minister about cross party discussions reaching out to devolved administration's and looking to build consensus it sounded like the Prime Minister had finally learned from the UK government's mistakes when the first Minister met the Prime Minister last week he was clear the UK government was at a crossroads the Prime Minister could continue in the direction in which he has slowly moved since the Lancaster House red lines by now embracing a customs union and participation in a single market across the whole economy or she could stick to her deal and doggedly try to continue on a journey which had already taken her down a cul-de-sac so if despite those encouraging words following her defeat two weeks ago it's now quite clear that the Prime Minister is going round in circles in her cul-de-sac reiterating redline positions failing to see the urgent need to extend article 50 and failing to rule out No Deal in short a continuation on the road to nowhere can anything be more ludicrous than the Prime Minister imposing a three-line whip on her own MPs to get them to instruct her to go away and do something she only two weeks ago said was impossible rather than looking to unite Parliament on the way ahead consistent with a vision for a post brexit relationship with the EU that continues to be endorsed by the National Assembly the Prime Minister has chosen to double down on the backstop even though the EU has maintained and repeated again last night that the backstop is not open for renegotiation while her red lines remain in place and so it can I say that we support the legitimate concerns being expressed by our neighbors in the Republic of Ireland and the European Union on the risks that brexit poses to the peace and prosperity the Good Friday Agreement has brought to the island of Ireland the Prime Minister is about to demand that the Ireland and the other eu27 reopen a deal she has so recently was final than the only D on the table if they refuse to give up the cast-iron cast-iron guarantee can we blame them that they would refuse to do that in return for the UK's assertion that they could be trusted to one of their agreements so why with brexit it's always impossible to be certain to the future the Prime Minister's next – too Restless looks pretty much doomed and even if she does return with some token concessions our assurance reassurance says who can be sure that it Willis wage that handful of deluded brexit tears who genuinely believe that crashing out with no deal will just be a minor inconvenience let's be clear the Prime Minister is going to need to secure lasting support for her approach to brexit trying to build a strategy on side deals of the DUP and the concessions to the European reform group will only weaken the government's position domestically as they tried to pass the necessary legislation in the coming weeks so we can temp condemn the UK government for failing to see the need to establish common ground across political parties on brexit for the long term by contrast to the strategy divide and rule seen in Westminster right from the starts the Welsh government has looked to build consensus typify by our whitepaper securing Wales as future agreed jointly with plied company in that white paper we were clear about the trade-offs that would be needed if we were to honor the results of the referendum we recognised that people had not voted to make themselves poorer and that Wales could not default the massive economic costs of severing access to the servicing single markets and being outside a customs union and that this meant we would have to accept a future where like Norway we had less control over a regulatory environment than we do as a Member State our evidence-based approach continues to result in this National Assembly being able to agree majority positions to reject the UK government's deal and set the form of brexit with participation in the single market and a customs union that would command our support agreement on the need to extend the article 50 process and agreement to rule out the prospect of the UK leaving without our ability err to find common ground puts us in a position in this assembly of strength when we seek to influence the UK government by being clear what is and what is not acceptable for Wales last night the House of Commons failed to back any current way forward except a worrying attempt to kick the can down the road it seems increasingly clear that the choice the country main deed end up being faced with is no deal a bad deal which cannot command a stable majority in parliament or putting the decision back to the people and the public vote is not an easy poll there are many obstacles on the route both principled and practical but while the Weiser Welsh government will continue to urge Parliament to unite around a withdrawn agreement and a rewritten political declaration that reflects a more credible more stable Norway plus type-r exit which by the way renders the backstop redundant we also know that time is running out and so the work must now begin our preparing for a public vote
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over the last few days people have been asking me what on earth's happening with brexit over the last few days people have been asking me how much longer this brick sit shower is going to go on and I can understand that because after all it's nearly three years since people voted in the referendum for the UK to leave the European Union and I understand that after all it's been nearly two and a half years of this well where we're at is that the government negotiated a deal with the EU and my preference was for that deal to be passed by Parliament and we could leave with the EU on that base the EU on that basis well where we're at is people simply no longer give a flying and right now I can't see that mood changing the good people of Newport West were asked to vote at a by-election last week and the turnout was at an historical low clearly they'd rather have root canal treatment without anesthetic than actually cast a bloody vote truthfully who can blame them this will mean compromise on both sides if we politicians stop about and actually get something done you lot will have to start voting again that's why for me brexit will always mean actually travel you've just answered him for me I wasn't say what we were clearly our system is broken and what we need is new people we need fresh blood it's funny I met this young guy recently called Jake Schenker who's got a book coming out in a few months that everybody needs to read and what he talks about is the fact that we've got to a place for the first time where our so-called experts the people that we rely on actually don't have answers and so what's happening is on the ground people are coming up with solutions themselves and so I think what's going to happen over the next five to ten years is a whole new wave of talent coming through getting involved in our political process that wouldn't have otherwise because our politicians haven't got a clue let's get you you were brave enough at the last election to actually put your put your head about the power this all focuses on the fact that at the election last week clearly the disconnect is massive have a 36 is appalling what do you say and would you ever do it again well I think it's very simple I think politics is broken in this country and people trot out that sentence but it really really is there's a huge disconnection between what people what is going on in Parliament and what is going on around people's kitchen tables at homes and in terms of people's views being represented properly and not we need to have significant reforms so I would start by immediately pushing a campaign for electoral reform so proportional representation I think is the first thing that we need to make sure we've got a parliament that reflects different views even if you don't like those views irrelevant I think then we need to encourage more new blood to go into Parliament new paper yeah I was I've been considering standing at the European elections as an MEP purely because not because my great ambition in life is to be in Brussels but I do think that you need new people straight up what would inform your decision as to whether or not you do run in next month's elections well I think there's a lot to consider and if you do get elected it's a huge responsibility and if you're going to do that job you need to be in a position where you can do it properly and make the required commitment and I need to run that will be telling Nick Ferrari that will be telling I've been approached by a few different people so I would say but one in particular is quite keen on me could we register that as a politician's answer yes which I respect you don't tell us who it is no just my words point to the consequences of a broken system I think that's really important because actually Europe the European countries look at us and they and they think why is it so hard to reach a compromise and actually it's because the nature of our system punishes compromise it punishes moving across the aisle away from your team because it's an adversarial system we have the whip and if you don't follow the line basically you're punished you lose the whip we've got this first-past-the-post system where winner-takes-all in the constituency so most constituencies end up with wasted votes so people vote tactically and not for who they want and that disenfranchised ISM from the system because I feel like they're they're being refused choice and that reduces participation these all consequences we have an unelected second chamber the consequence of which is it you feel divorced from it you feel powerless to influence it because they don't have to answer to the electorate and all of those consequences mean that when eventually governments are formed coalition's aren't necessary and so no one party has to reach a deal with the other party to govern actually it's better that they don't and so we're not used to governing with other parties and that leads to a hardening of attitudes and almost a tribalistic politics and all of that that I've just listed is incredibly unhealthy for our country all the time I've known you Trevor you've been a fierce defender of democracy how worried are you when you see the turnout the other week I'm massively worried about it and but I I tribute the problem to something a bit different I think that the fundamental feeling that most people have is that politics has given up on the important issues of our day and that we can say you know it's about the divisions of brexit and all the rest of it but I think the real problem here is it feels as though politicians have given up wrestling with the key issues and they use brexit as a kind of excuse of that but the big issues that are changing our society technology driverless cars digitization transforming immigration and aging earlier on the and China these are bigger problems which will dwarf whatever happens with brexit and you know there's a member of the Phillips family who is now emerging as a major political star my secret sister she actually I think has got this and that's why she's become so popular let's have a look at what Jess Phillips says everything that happens in my constituents lives has been entirely taken away and there are real stories real lives real problems in our country that should be front-page news in ordinary times and then they're just been completely forgotten we are at breaking point here and I don't feel like Teresa May understands that and she stands in front of me at the despatch-box and tells me I'm letting the people down she wants to come and sit here completely right good and the thing is that we we have seen what is happening on the continent people lost faith in conventional politics and as a consequence their anti-immigrant parties we've got the single answer single Club either in government in opposition in the following countries France Germany Italy Netherlands Sweden Denmark Hungary and that's a club that we're about to join not because we are taking one way or another on Brixton but because politics appears to have given up or is a club we're about to leave if we leave the European Union is another way of looking at it the only thing I would add the thing that definitely still heartened me and makes me excited about the processes yes we do have a depressed vote because our system is broken but what we do have as well is energized activists so we have people that are getting involved that would never have gotten involved before and I think a really good example of this is somebody like an AOC in America who two years ago was a barmaid she now she's a member of Congress and I think we're gonna start seeing more and more characters like that in Britain as well because we know we cannot rely on the old tried and tested type of person that we thought should be leading that speaks again that is true June but be careful because you could also say that about Tommy Robinson you could but which is why those of us that love democracy and believe in inclusion must make sure that we're in the debate so that this thing goes the right way very quickly on that one I do think that that's the view because European Parliament sarpy are pointing to you because you might run but because they are purported those individuals who are the radicals or that they it's easier for them to get through in those elections exactly they performed always better in the European elections and these upcoming interactions I predict Tommy may well run actually for them because it's proportionate but just probably win if he did you think just coming back to someone as you rightly say the last couple questions on this from me and I you know once in the Sun always in the Sun the person who might be talking to you about running does he have the same initials for the same radios to be a situation where there is a burn a fighter party that's just a decent party that is pro brexit that is not extreme in either way what I would look to see is a pro in surprise party that's pro caring for those that need it that's pro brexit and implementing breaks it properly that doesn't exist I would love that package DSD people I met with ASD decent because I probably won't do it it's a lot they do seem to fit the description you just mentioned I mean they're not associated with extremism whatsoever they're Pro brexit they are also when I just say one thing before you go into your topic the other place the the initials that are the same as his don't do it from politics to sex let's move on and after the break I'm calling for men's a stepper when it comes to contraception
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did you go into politics to change the world yeah I think everybody does that now I think it's of idealism mm-maybe sort of strained idealism is what it feels like once you're doing it but yeah of course it was to change the world and often because you're opposed to something I think is the reason that people get involved in politics because you see something you don't like you angry as cross all the time are you still I mean that's quite important isn't it I am searingly angry 99% of the time so if you know if I say to you how would you change the world is there a simple answer you know that one key goal that you have yeah I mean for me I believe that the way that I can change the world are suppose or that I am aiming to change the world is through the liberation of women and when you say the liberation of women just explain to me what you mean well women are still more likely to be murdered in their homes more likely to be beaten and abused globally they're less likely to be educated and more likely to be controlled they are enslaved in lots of situations whether that is classic idea of slavery or slavery to a society that expects them to be one way and whilst there has been a hundred years in a hundred years of women having the vote in the UK there has been a hundred years of progress but they are still not liberated and there's an awful lot more to do so by liberated do you mean these are things that you could change the law about or change that's to Britain isn't it more about attitudes and norms than attitudes and norms often change with laws Parliament should be leading the way on these things if we expected Parliament to lead attitudinal shift in the country we looking at entirely the wrong place I think of anywhere where the attitude is poorer if I'm perfectly honest but you change the laws so for example just a really quick example of like the way that people didn't want to wear their seat belts the law was changed and people's attitudes towards it changed over time so yes there are lots of laws in the UK that we can change that would help the liberation of women most of them actually are about how we treat men in society whether in the criminal justice system or in social policy around welfare and how we change things for men I think will change the attitudes in the country for example if men had equal parental rights so when a baby is born if a man took exactly it was entitled to exactly the same amount of time off as a woman is at exactly the same term so 90 percent of you pay for the first six weeks maybe would stop training women to their children and their homes and maybe when an interviewer sits opposite a thirtysomething year-old woman and a thirtysomething year-old man they'd be as risky to employ I think it would be the single biggest thing we could do to change the gender pay gap for example so a lot of it is about tinkering with our laws and how we treat men in society is what will liberate women was your own childhood household like I mean what kind of environment we brought something I was brought up in a very liberated environment so my mum was the by the time I was born she haven't worked for many years so I've got a brother who's 11 years older than me and two in between and so my mum hadn't worked since 1971 really sort of part-time jobs and my dad was a teacher so he was the primary sort of breadwinner but then when I was born I don't know whether she just really couldn't stand me yeah how it was I was the tipping point baby so that's her fourth baby I'm her only daughter she went back to work when I was about 18 months old which even then I mean I suppose the women's movement had been happening in the meantime which my mother had very much been part of so she went back to work when I was 18 months old and she became quite successful so my granddad came to live with us when my mum went back to work to help look after us so when I grew up I grew up in a household full of men who all did the cooking and cleaning and caring it was there responsibilities just as much as it was my mum's and so yeah I don't see why it's so shocking that men should stay at home and look after their kids so it's weighted the anger come from if you lived in this very liberated house what are you cross about whilst my household was liberated there are all sorts of things that happen to me and freedoms that I didn't have that my brothers had which my parents thought always to get rid of my what Oh safety being able to walk the streets and feel safe being able to actually want to like why I actually liked rather than pretending you like something because it was what was expected of you girls every single day of their lives do calculations over what is acceptable behavior for them because of a boy that they like or because Society says they should look some somewhere or another girl's self-esteem peaks at the age of eight now mine definitely didn't I don't have a self-esteem problem and so to do as well done I mean it picks much later for boys no I mean I mean in terms of the calculations that children have to make as they grow up I've maybe my brother was thinking about the safe journey he had to take each and every night having to calculate exactly where he would have to be to make sure he had friends with him to make sure that he walked through the streets safely I doubt my brother ever did that mind you he was a bit of a wrong and so that's very day that he did that my brother who's this the closest in age to me and know that there is all sorts of expectations that boys don't have put on them for a start of the way that they look is nowhere near as high pressured as women there is the idea of a perfect women woman so if you look at any if you turn on any TV you will see a man in his forties or fifties and cast as if it's completely fine next to a woman in her twenties as his partner as his wife women are constantly told that they have to be perfect or fit into a certain mold whereas men are allowed to be a bit weird looking and as long as you're funny as long as you're clever as long as you're kind it's fine if you're a bit weird looking women do not get given that same grace and that slips into you when you're a kid so whilst I lived in a liberated household I still felt I had to do things that boys likes you know I really I pretended to like Vietnam films and hip-hop throughout the entirety of the nineties if I never ever ever have to watch Apocalypse Now again it will be too soon and still today I sit around with a load of you know boys who are now in their forties going on and what what these masterpieces are and I can talk about it so fluently but not because and she as a teenage boy do you think that teenage boys ever studied take that to make sure that they could talk to the girls in their class I don't think that they did so did you have a family who were who were pushing you on to be a rebel to fight things yeah where did the ambition to change the world come definitely my family pushed me to be a rebel we were always told to talk back we were always told to stand up and say what we believed in but not in a sort of I think now this is quite a lot of everybody just feels that they have an opinion and has to share it it wasn't like that it was that if you see something wrong happening you should speak up about it so I got into I went to a grammar school and we were told things like you're better than the kids from the comprehensive schools you're not like those girls from the other schools in the neighborhood and I I used to speak back and and fight back at school who taught you that Oh teachers Oh your teachers would definitely say that to you especially if you were like caught smoking facts outside they'd say oh you look like comprehensive kids and things like that and and I used to fight back and I used to get in trouble at school all the time of my parents up to come in quite a lot and my parents would always side with me if they felt that the reason that I had talked her up or fought back was because of some injustice they encouraged it in every single one of us is that you don't cross the road away from helping someone you cross the words road towards it just as a dog look just because you mentioned the grammar school I mean how do you feel about grammar schools now I mean I'm not gonna say I'm an abolitionist of grammar schools but I I wouldn't send my Chi I haven't sent my children no no no well actually that's not entirely true if my son who is 13 had wanted to go to the look it's the closest school to my house if he'd wanted to go to the local grammar school and he passed his 11 plus I would I would have not let my political ideology getting the way if he'd really really really wanted to but he said I think that children should pick schools not schools should pick children so I've obviously raised him well and it was like why would I want to voluntarily take a test so he didn't even it didn't even cross his mind that he would take the test I told him that if he wanted to he could but I wasn't gonna pay for any two tutoring or anything like that I think that on a broader political right that they're not fit for purpose they don't have in Birmingham the statistics aren't as bad because of the nature of the population of the city but elsewhere grammar schools are wholly unrepresentative of the communities often where they are and/or the whole country they have wildly low levels of kids on free school meals so I'm against any sort of a latest system but I think it's a parent's responsibility to do the best thing for their child I think it's a government's responsibility to do the best thing for all the children and jion do you think it's okay to judge politicians on whether they are if they recruit when it comes to education I think it's totally fine to judge them if they're hypocrites if they go around saying something other than what I just smell new census kids to grade school knock yourself out yeah I don't I don't judge anyone same thing you should go around saying that you don't like posh schools because they're elitist and then think it's okay if you're able to take advantage of that are those sort of conversations possible within Parliament you know when you will meet each other you know could you have that conversation with Diana no I couldn't have that conversation with Diana but we don't really converse absolutely shay-bo spent on twice I mean he seems affable but now no you don't because there's a level of purity and what they think about but you're a solid state for people aren't you as you think you were all quiet you know you talked a lot we do we do baby's got a lie it's a bit clicky isn't it so I talk to the people I talk to a lot my friends the people I have common cause with I talk to them a lot and that goes across not just Labour MPs in fact you spend more time talking to the other side especially if you're in opposition because you have to get them to do things so you you have to palliate with them considerably more than you have to pull you up with your own who your Tory friends pretty much most of the women happy to say I mean not men Theresa with it we're not swinging Prosecco in a wheat field or anything but yeah most of the women so honestly Bree obviously and Heidi Alan and Maria Miller and Milton they these are people we have many common causes with and that's because it's it's all issues to do with women it's not necessarily even issues to do with women it is the issue of getting women's voices hurt on any issue that we find common cause with why do you feel Parliament or politics well yeah when you said it's a comic of a worse place I don't know whether mental because it is allowed to be completely like a circular argument they're eating their own tails all the time people in Parliament every single level a very little idea about other people's lives I think Labour MPs arguably would be much much better aging much more likely to have a diverse constituency whenever you accuse politicians are being out of touch they get really angry and they say I meet more ordinary people than any of you journalists you I have my surgeries every week I'm in contact with all my constitutional down in Parliament and I think have you ever actually met person when people speak I actually sometimes think you've never thinking of Teresa may near-daily have you ever had just had a chat with someone I genuinely think that all the time because I don't know who they are talking to if they think the way that they think so their immigration the Windrush thing has been absolutely it shows this up so much in that when they created the hostile environment around immigration what they saw in their heads when they thought of an immigrant was Abu Qatada what I saw was mario moo lives you know unshut look lying and they don't come across people in the same way that I do certainly don't come across immigrant communities in the same way that I might and so they don't they assume the worst it's terribly out of touch did you find the wind rush resolution at all convincing no I don't I still don't think they get it in fact I know that they still don't get it because I've heard you saying nice things about amber rod in the past oh yeah amber rubbers knowing secretary who was presiding over this how could she be so tone deaf to the concerns of a minority when she's so good on thinking about the concerns of her group of people women yeah I mean I have no idea I can only assume she inherited terrible practice from her predecessor do you think it's a sexual thinking is just something that most people don't do yes I think but I think everybody including myself has to be forced into it you have to be reminded which is why it's important by representation matters so but you know the idea of me being in Parliament 99 percent at the time having a woman or people with working-class voices or black people in Parliament it isn't to necessarily have big bold ideas the idea of the sort of economic case for migration is that you will get better ideas with a more diverse group the job in Parliament of those people is literally just to put your hand up and wave to remind people that you exist so it is simply that so amber it is very good putting her hand up and reminding people that women exist but that isn't the be-all and end-all you have to remember other chri'topher she for the Home Secretary so you know I think it slipped her by who gets it who gets the women thing who were the people in power who get it subtly you know I don't think Teresa matters at all i I really used to think that she did but she used to speak about women so much than that well I really am worried I really used to think that she got it when I worked in refuge before I was an MP Teresa my was a Home Secretary and when it was between her and Andrea led 'some you know I was delighted that it was her because I thought this is a woman who understands domestic abuse so I feel safe with her but what Teresa may knows is that her power base is reliant on Qatari to a old-fashioned male power house and so she doesn't ever do anything that will break the mold for women isn't that the same in labor yes it's totally the same and it's one of the reasons why women haven't risen to the top of the Labor Party is because the women in the Labor Party are much more radical they are both very nature they are feminists activists and to get to the top of the Labor Party would mean a massive power ship backwards for the men in that either by so do you I mean when you talk to Harriet Harman yeah do I presume you I don't sue all the time yeah do you feel she achieved a lot in her parliamentary career I mean a huge amount a huge amount and it was does it have to be a sort of model for you isn't if you want to change the world and you've only been in Parliament a few years you look at somebody like her who's been there a long time a long time gonna make it how much has she changed the world and therefore how much my goings yeah and I think mind you I think that the pace of change quickens in this bizarre crucible of politics it would seem to be in at the moment you think I think it doesn't just feel like it does because maybe it does just feel like it does and it is just noise that's what my husband always says it's absolutely you don't live in reality anymore just you think that everybody is shouting at everybody else where most people are talking about gogglebox and a point of milk but I mean I look at Harriet Harman and I think how she broke a mold and she did it in a way that I would find incredibly difficult and in fact she paved the way for women like me to not have to do they're working with the power base that you have placated the right people they're sort of slowly slowly and it's definitely what my mother's feminism was like it was like right we'll get in there and then we'll change it from within whereas I'm a bit like oh well that's not the door stone is what I'm a bit like and so what I learned from Harriet is that 35 years and the amount she has changed for women and the amount she changed my life as an individual because of policies that the 1997 labor women were able to put in place is that I have to learn to maybe do some more of that slowly slowly changing from within roles because obviously if you if you grew up with this sort of sense of injustice and you have this passion to try and make things well is it more equal or better I don't know I mean I mean equality I think has unfortunately got sort of lost along the way and it's become a bit of a fight over who's more equal than everybody else and equality presume isn't your goal is liberation liberation yeah if that is your goal then then why politics as the roots do it well my anger peaked I would say whilst working at Women's Aid and watching how both attitude society and policy Damned people and so what was women's Oh what did you do and what do you see so I work for women's aid in the crossover of the labour government to the conserve well the coalition government and so I saw austerity for or take an enormous chunk of the liberation of women who had been victims of domestic abuse or sexual violence or modern slavery and over the year is the proceeding governments had tried to put in place policies that would help support those women more refuges were built more financial benefits were available to people in crisis there was much better action from police forces there had been a slow sort of cultural change and I saw it fall off a cliff edge and I saw new welfare reforms and not just I mean not certainly by no means were all of the policies under the last Labour government in this regard brilliant I saw how some of them were counterproductive and I got sick of banging my fists on one side of the table trying to get things done for this group of people and I decided to bang my fists on the other side of this table so first of all I became a counselor in order because councils hold so much of the power when it comes to what money goes on what services and how things are designed in children's services social care etc and so then I got to that level and I changed as much as I could at that level but still we were hampered by the fact that welfare reform was damming women in refuge and so I thought right well I'm just going to become an MP it was as simple as look if you want to change this she's gonna have to get on with it you're gonna have to do it and it was specifically about policy that was wrong and changing policies that would benefit this group of women in opposition do you feel that you have any power at all to change anything feminine if I actually think I'm really quite powerful let's blow my own trumpet because I definitely know more about this than anyone else in the building and so when talking about domestic abuse sexual violence modern slavery child sexual exploitation the government rarely do anything without coming and talking to me first on the specific policy area ministers meet with the Home Secretary I mean when it was amber hood and I meet with that I meet with the Home Office ministers on a weekly basis and I'm there in the room with the same civil servants I worked with when I worked at we've been Zaid so the really person who's changed in the room for me is the minister's I was always there so yes they and they are terrified that I'm going to stand up in front of them and say this policy that you're putting in place and then read the number of women that they've killed read the names of the women that they've killed because of this policy so that's going to keep you how they are and it's they keep me happy they are trying to make policy that works I suppose is by talking to people who know what they're talking about are you sure I'm sure trying to avoid being attacked by you it's probably six of one half a dozen of the other with the with the ones you get on with well you actually I actually think it's collegiate you believe they are also trying to make the world a better place you believe in the sincerity of those people absolutely absolutely I believe there is a handful on both sides of knuckle-dragging members of parliament who went in into it for weird and selfish reasons a handful everybody in the building and I really really believe this went in there to change the world they just think the means of doing that are different I I will not sit and politician bash as if it's just simple plain easy rhetoric to just say oh they're all in it for themselves they aren't but how good you think they are oh I mean that's a different question outside a lot of us who've been covering politics for me outside for a long time kind of look at the current generation yeah and go then all that good say that yeah I mean it depends what you mean by good good intentions again 99% good understanding of a specific policy area that they're interested in again 99% I would say would be able to good at public speaking honestly I've seen better in primary schools the thing that has been the most disappointing by far the single biggest disappointment is the lack of courage there is a lack of courage amongst politicians and that I think is the the thing that disappoints me the most and that lack of courage just comes from holding on to see does it muster a variety if they dings holding on to job holding on to his seat and and to say that that is self-interested and that means that they're not there to change the world and they're there for self-interest you do actually have to stay there to try and change the world there so it's a practical thing but don't judge them by a standard that you wouldn't give to your milkman or your postman or the women who work in Sainsbury's everybody wants to keep their job we shouldn't be put on a different standard so I think that yes it's why have you got more courage maybe I'm just you know Maisie I don't know why I don't know why I don't know why and it's not I'm not alone I just can't understand why people don't see how much respect you get from the general public if you tackle the hard things anyone can say what people want to hear and get applause literally any monkey in a zoo could do that saying the hard things that people don't want to hear makes people respect you a considerable amount more and it would make people believe in politics and we desperately need that for our democracy so actually whilst the liberation of women I suppose is my policy area my motivation the reason I went there I think actually the thing that I would like to do that I think would change the world today in a moment where it desperately desperately needs it is trying out give people face back in politics the idea of democracy liberal democracy deserves voting for and at the moment the fact that people think we're not very good it's unfortunately just more grist to the mill of we need a different system if you I mean part of being a politician for so long has been toeing the party line voting with the party whip yeah doing what the leader says and you obviously struggle with that yeah but does not Jeremy Corbyn did I mean does that mean you would really struggle with being in government possibly yeah I mean so if you were given real power to actually control things or the chance to be a minister yeah yeah I mean yeah it probably just it almost certainly does in fact yes I would find that difficult however I like to think that my courage wouldn't come out in talking up against the the leader or it would be about an issue if so let's say I've got something wrong let's just say PFI on schools is an example of something that I think that the Labour Party got a bit wrong you've got to be willing to just say that so we tried it it didn't work this was the way Britain built new school at the time it built schools in my camp in my community now there has been consequences of it that we didn't see coming whereby local authorities are owing loads of money to big corporates and somebody's creaming it off in their Cayman Islands nobody wanted that to be the case so you have to just be honest about it so actually I don't think I'd struggle to be in government they might struggle to have me there because I would say yes and no to questions when I was asked them I am NOT good at delivering a line I never will be if I believed in something though I would be the one of the best people they could find to try and sell it do you think Jeremy called them would be a good Prime Minister at the moment I have real concerns about that so at the moment I'd have to say no because the reality I mean I think that the reaction to the whole Russia thing was the things that I found really alarming I felt like it couldn't just say yes Russia is hostile towards Great Britain I found that really really difficult and I think that Jeremy Corbyn really really struggles to hear things that aren't praised and if you're the Prime Minister and if you're courageous what I'm asking for is real courage to say what you think I think that's why people liked him and I don't think he does it anymore why what's happened to him Oh sad job though isn't it it's so easy for me to sit here and judge like a backseat driver it's a hard job I think to try and be all things to all people I mean do you incur the wrath of all his supporters so all the time yeah yeah all the time it's just part of my job now who do you feel all your biggest opponents than in politics is it Corbin supporters it's all conservatives no no I mean conservatives I wouldn't say you know classic British conservatives I wouldn't say that they were my biggest opponents about they largely leave me alone but the they're very alright they're sort of what is becoming a sort of radical right-wing sort of you kick heavier than you Kip UDL is one of my biggest opponents so anyone who says anything from a feminist perspective will get horrendously abused by that particular section of and it's not Society I'm not going to give it that the Internet but then the other one is definitely yeah it's hard left in the hard right they're equally bad in mind do you think they are similar but they extremely similar in the way that they talked to me they both threatened me they're both you try and use power and control models that as somebody who worked in violence against women and girls are so obvious to me they both try and like the idea that they should isolate you so in domestic violence services you learn the techniques of how a person becomes a victim and how a perpetrator isolates people and means that it's impossible for them to get away so it's things like convincing you that you're mad and isolating you from your family and friends so what happens to me if I say something on Twitter or Facebook or just on the news or anything if anyone else retweets that comments on it they will then get abuse so those people stop talking to me now and they private message me I really liked what you said but can you undo the retweet that you just sent me because I'm getting a low degree from Corbin Esther's and I say okay don't worry I just don't want other people to get grief so they'll write to places that you're going to and say that they're not happy that you're going there so if I go and speak at different labor parties which I do every single weekend are getting my car with my son and travel all the length and breadth of the country doing fundraisers and things for labor party colleagues and they will complain they will hold motions against me to stop me from going to things and try and stop me having anything to do with it so that's classic absolute classic sort of a social isolationism will where everybody else down until her voice no longer cuts through and do you think they've captured the labor party yeah I come across and like I say I'll go up and down the country all the time but they just they're and they're not going anywhere they haven't captured it they've frustrated it by making meetings not very pleasant and so other people who would have classically been there in the past don't bother to turn up to things anymore because why would you want to you know you've got better things to do any fraud you're not engaging other people out yeah but I think when it comes to it I don't think they've captured the labor part you know but what you're describing sounds like a bit of a civil war with like you know sort of samosas and slightly lukewarm tea I think maybe I think maybe it's often written up more exciting than it actually is that's exciting but but I mean it's really changing the Labour Party's yeah not where I live I have to say there's no notable change in the face of my Labour Party why cause you'll remember Labour Party now so maybe I just don't see it maybe if I lived in brighton and hove I'd feel different so who are these posh areas what areas the Labour Party is gentrifying is the areas where the labour party membership is at its biggest are areas in London which I suppose was classically always the case but Brighton Canterbury it's not dockyards are they let's put it like that and do you think this is something that people in powerful positions in the labour party are also involved in so you taught some people and they'll say look there are people who work for John McDonnell Woolworths the leader or work for whoever who are also involved in this kind of I don't know yeah I don't see any evidence of it particularly because maybe there is I don't know I'm not interested and I didn't go to I wasn't a member of labour students oh I wasn't like you know Trump in the streets and then wanting to work in Parliament and I was having babies when most people I'm in Parliament with were and they everybody knows the names of all this like people will say names to me like well you know seven seven I'm not I don't know bloody talking about and so I'm not part of the lexicon of who's who in the Labour Party I haven't got a bloody clue after time here people are talking about and that goes for both the left and the centrist dads if you will so I I'm not interested in all I am I was raised as a socialist I was raised by people note my father would never allow himself to be scrolled as a hard left he's a left-wing I was raised to believe in nationalization I was raised to believe in fighting for equality at any cost equality of opportunity more so than I think use of classic equality is we consider it today although that was always part of it I mean you were you went away from maybe during the players yes in any way no no no I mean apart from that you know I was a woman who had a kid and lived on child tax credits and took my kids to a Children's Centre so you're happy what New Labour achieve I'm not just happy I am grateful I feel personally grateful for the things that were given to me that my friends who didn't have children when they were in there very early twenties who are now having children in their 30s to have anything like what was available to me so why did you reject Tony Blair just cuz it's a big fan of the first album I don't reject him out of hand at all I I think he was a brilliant Prime Minister I didn't it was Iraq so was foreign policy that the live apart you thought it's about actually domestic policy this fight that you the civil war that you described largely it doesn't move its head in domestic policy is foreign policy where that is an issue can I ask you what you think about drugs policy yeah because you've you've hurt your own family your your your parents family I've been touched by this is a problem yeah yeah so my brother was a well I suppose we say this now is not the terminologies he's a heroin addicts it's always Aeronautics he's an alcoholic he was think addicted to coke and crack cocaine at different points as well there isn't pretty metal part from all these new fancy modern-day ones spice and the like there isn't a drug that hasn't affected my life in some way or another pretty much all of my life as long as I can really remember thinking anything about drugs I have seen the effects of them leave you as a banned them and criminalized let's try and change the law hate say so I think I'm coming more right-wing on the issue as I have got older and my brother certainly funnily enough his attitude is strange but my husband all weekend has been having a go at me for my attitude towards it so he around at some of our friends houses at the weekend and they were so naughty but can they are gonna legalize weed because it's been in the news decriminalize it I said no I don't think they are and my husband was old justice against it I to be perfectly honest I haven't decided whether I'm against it or not but yes if I had to vote today I wouldn't vote to legalize cannabis why because I worry about what it would do to a market place I worry about so the idea that it would make it safer and everybody's growing homegrown skunk that is ridiculously strong and killing people and making them have psychotic episodes this that is all completely true and so to take the risk out of that I don't believe people who are currently growing skunk in their lofts will stop it even if it's legal because it's free if you're growing it in your loft so I'm not entirely convinced by that argument that it all stop really strong skunk being on the market I've been – up Sam I had a brother who lived in Amsterdam moved there when I was 15 imagine having you know when you're 15 having a flat you can go to and I'm so done with all your mates with another who doesn't care what you get up to so ah what I saw there is come here as is stronger a sort of plethora of this is we've got the most tht or whatever it is in it and then I think about my son and I think about my 13 year old son and I think do I want him essentially doing what I did I mean it would be allowed to say that I didn't take drugs when I was a kid because I did more importantly I think is that often I think in the sort of liberal Democrat vein of let's just make everything just more freely available and free and easy I have to say I just think you live with massive rose-tinted glasses about what it's like to live next to a crack den about what it's like to live on an estate where there's needles everywhere and what drugs actually do what crack cocaine does to a person emotionally about how it changes people's attitudes and their aggression levels and I have seen that I have it's all nice and well being really lily-livered and liberal about people with heroin addiction I can sit and tell you all the stuff about how it is a disease because it is a disease and I feel ever so sorry for my brother and I think he's really really suffered but every single wake of my life when I was a teenager I had to go and buy my belongings back from cattigan but all my mother's belongings back it isn't necessarily the drugs that I have a problem with it is drug addicts behavior that often is the problem it is the lies it is the deceit is but that's why the criminalization of the behavior isn't was never criminalized right like an ass but do you think there are fundamentally people who are susceptible to addiction yes and people who are and people who can handle drugs yes and and you know your brother is an addict yeah no somebody tried drugs to handle it so I'm not saying any of it what Saul so why not move towards a regime in which you deal with drugs absolutely problem rather than a absolutely absolutely why not I can totally say that but I'm just not convinced I think that one of the hardest things you have to learn when you're a politician is no matter which policy decision you make somebody will die one way or the other if there is no perfect solution and seeking one is is the work that way lies madness so I would have to look at all the evidence my brother wouldn't doesn't believe in decriminalization friendly enough I think he thinks that there needs to be some changes that reduce risk but he believes for example I mean he's didn't really have a million times but the only thing he believes works is abstinence is an NA or an a a mod or I want to say it to be whole person-centered and make sure that the psychological effects of taking drugs coming off drugs addiction is properly taking account of and we don't just think that decriminalizing it will help a prison numbers in terms of concrete ways that you think you can change things now I mean you've talked about how the government comes and consults you on the translation what do you actually do you have a list of things that you want to do you're gonna take off oh yeah yes there's all sorts of things that need to be done there needs to be and this will never happen under this conservative government because if they're a bit socialists of things I'm going to say first start off the single Silver Bullet which they say that they are going to do is we need to build more houses there's no two ways about that the single thing that would help women in difficult economic situations would be the availability of social housing and the availability of affordable housing so I just just argued that through why would it help women specifically because there's nowhere for you to flee at the moment well it's a terrible situation where every single day I sit with my constituents and try and help them and then send them back to a hotel on the m42 with their children so there is a huge need for much more social housing people who are literally destitute where I live they have nothing and I just can't imagine how most Tory MPs would have to reactive to have to sit in my office for even a day and see the level of destitution that I have to deal with so does that so housing is at the top of the list but when building that house what I would want to say is a quota that says any money that goes on any industrial strategy any infrastructure that 50% of those jobs have to go to 51% of the country to the women because yes house building then of the reason why it's a silver bullet is because it creates jobs but it just creates jobs for one sort of person I would absolutely quota the hell award every single penny of government spending I would quote to the hell out of it we have a power a powerful lever in government and local governments and every branch of Whitehall that we never ever pull and we say we need more women in tech we need more women in gas engineering and then we go we hope it happens it's a triumph of Hope over reality and how do you answer the obvious criticism of that which is at least two people who shouldn't get the job getting the job the whole meritocracy argument is totally flawed in that if you follow the line of meritocracy you must think that men are really good at making money and women are really good at cleaning so why is it they're always the best person for the job as a white man and always the best person for a job if it's cleaner as a black woman it doesn't make any sense at all so if I look at you think if he brought the quote room it would just happen people would just find I come from a quota don't I I was elected on a quota but you know employers always complain that they can't find enough women yeah swinging a cap we're on every street corner literally I'll fudge you ten in the next five seconds total rubbish the Labour Party said the same that was the same thing that we said about the Labour Party when it came to all women short this we can't find them yet lo and behold we've managed to make Parliament almost 50/50 on the Labour benches you've already said you may not stay in Parliament forever you've also said you can't say that Jeremy Corbyn would be a good Prime Minister so who should be the leader of a party oh gosh there's a really difficult question to answer isn't it it's really difficult obviously I would like it to be a woman Angela Rana would be my choice out of those that get heralded at the moment because I think that she's pragmatic she does understand what real people's lives are like she's got a broader perspective than London and what London thinks about things so I would pick her out of those that are currently being put for right but there may be others yeah and you know you wouldn't stand I used to say I used to answer this question from a feminist perspective and say I would say that I would want to be the leader of the Labour Party because I think it's important for women to be honest and talk about their ambitions but you know I walked down here today I walked through the streets on a sunny day in London and I loved my life be an enormous sacrifice to give up my life and my freedom to be the leader of the Labour Party I think that would be a sacrifice that somebody who gets heralded as living an ordinary life and wants to continue to be normal actually I think my normality is the thing I'd find hard to sacrifice we ask everybody on the podcast what is your most controversial opinion or way to change the world the one that you think is really difficult I'm just gonna I'm gonna shamelessly still buy husbands my husband has some brilliantly controversial ideas that he thinks would change the world I'll give you two if his ideas bended and then I can blame him although I think that some of them have some merit the first one is that at 18 everybody should be given 100 votes and that should deplete with every year of your life you've got the most investment in the future you get the most say so I think I think that would change that would make a radical change to whom things got decided and another controversial opinion always has is that when there's any conversation about where the houses should be built in an area as a local politician people hate houses being built anywhere near them and complain about it a lot if you're an MP in the green belt you don't want houses anywhere near you and yet we also we need more houses some he thinks that in every development plan in any region that there should be a local referenda and you're only allowed to vote in it if you don't own a house just for this thank you very much indeed for joining us today