Watch the explosive interview with Labour Brexiteer Brendan Chilton | James Whale

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Former General Secretary of Labour Leave Brendan Chilton joined James Whale and Ash on their show to discuss the state of Brexit and the benefits of leaving …

Remainer Parliament debates Anti Brexit Options!

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A Remainer parliament led by a Remainer Speaker is right now debating all the anti-Brexit options they can.


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I find it staggering that I am watching our elected representatives in the House of Commons now openly discussing keeping the UK under European Union control by whatever means is available to them.

Actually, I lie, I am not staggered at all, I’m just surprised that it’s taken them this long to break cover and that they’ve left it so late that it will prove to be a political shock to the UK system.

Normally, where the EU ratchet is concerned, it’s just a slow incremental process so that no-one realises what’s going on.

But believe me, people are taking notice right now!

But those MPs in Westminster are so isolated and shielded from the ordinary voter that I’m not sure they realise how angry people are with their anti-Brexit performances.

And this afternoon MPs are only debating and voting on anti-Brexit proposals.

After the House voted to take control of the order paper again, the Speaker, John Bercow, selected four of the eight amendments for the debates.

These were:

First, Ken Clarke’s amendment to put the requirement for a permanent UK-wide customs union with the EU into any withdrawal agreement and political declaration that might arise.

Second is the Common Market 2.0 proposal put forward by Nick Boles.

Third is the so-called ‘confirmatory public vote’, which really means second EU referendum.

And last is the one called ‘parliamentary sovereignty’, which basically says that if we get near to the end of the current extension period without agreeing a way forward then we have to ask for another extension. And if no extension is forthcoming, MPs get to vote on whether the UK leaves on a WTO Brexit basis and if that is voted down the government must immediately revoke Article 50.

As you can see. they are all amendments that would be likely, if they gained a majority, to lead either to Brexit being reversed directly, or in the form of EU control over our future in another form.

Now, many remain MPs seem to have decided to back more than one of these amendments and both the Labour Party and the SNP seem to be favouring the Nick Boles plan.

Now the one thing in the Boles plan that the EU will not like is the bit that talks about it including the UK having a say on future EU trade deals. It would also as a default include the free movement of people.

Now, to sort any of those out would require the UK to be involved in EU parliamentary elections.

As to negotiate a customs union would probably take some time, as would setting up common market 2.0 or giving time for a confirmatory vote. And revoking Article 50 means staying in the EU so elections would be a must anyway.

Now, as far as I’m concerned, as well as all Brexiteers I talk to, were the UK to take part in MEP elections it would be a political statement that Brexit had been reversed!

It is as far as I’m concerned part of the one way route to Remaining in the EU.

It would be dressed up as a temporary measure, but we would find ourselves trapped in the EU for the whole parliamentary term as excuse after excuse is made to keep us there.

The troubling bit for me is that those debating these measures all know that we would need to hold MEP elections, but they do not talk about it in their speeches and debates.

They are probably hoping no-one will notice!

Ah well! Let’s just see what the votes later tonight bring.

Source: BBC Parliament Live

hello there a remain of Parliament led by a remainer speaker is right now debating all the anti brexit options they can I find it's staggering that I'm watching our elected representatives in the House of Commons now openly discussing keeping the UK under European Union control by whatever means is available to them during this second indicative vote session actually I lie I am NOT staggered at all I'm just surprised that it's taken them this long to break cover and that they've left it so late that it will prove to be a political shock to the UK system if they get their way normally where the EU ratchet is concerned it's just a slow incremental process so that no one realizes what's going on but believe me people are taking notice right now but those MPs in Westminster are so isolated and shielded from the ordinary voter that I'm not sure they realize how angry people are with their anti brexit performances and this afternoon MPs are only debating and voting on anti brexit proposals after the House voted to take control of the order paper again the speaker John Berko selected four of the eight amendments for the debates these were first Ken Clark's amendment to put the requirement for a permanent UK wide customs union with the EU into any withdrawal agreement and political declaration that might arise second is the Common Market 2.0 proposal put forward by Nick Boles third is the so called confirmatory public vote which really means second referendum and last is the one called parliamentary sovereignty which basically says that if we get near to the end of the current extension period without agreeing a way forward then we have to ask for another extension and if no extension is forthcoming MPs get to vote on whether the UK leaves on a WTO brexit basis and if that is voted down the government must immediately revoke the article 50 process as you can see they are all amendments that would be likely if they gained a majority to lead either to brexit being reversed directly or in the form of EU control over our future in another form now many remain MPs seem to have decided to back more than one of these amendments and both the Labour Party and the SNP seem to be favoring the Nick Bowles plan now the one thing in the Bowles plan which is the customs union 2.0 that the EU will not like is that bit that talks about it including the UK having a say on future EU trade deals it would also as a default include the free movement of people now to sort any of those out would require the UK to be involved in EU parliamentary elections as to negotiate a customs union would probably take some time as would setting up common market 2.0 or giving time for a confirmatory vote and revoking article 50 means staying in the EU so elections would be a must anyway now as far as I'm concerned as well as all brexit II as I talked to were the UK to take part in mep elections it would be a political statement that brexit had been reversed it is as far as I'm concerned part of the one-way route to remaining in the EU it would be of dressed-up of course as a temporary measure but we would find ourselves trapped in the EU for the whole parliamentary term as excuse after excuse made to keep us there the troubling bit for me is that those debating these measures all know that we would need to hold mep elections but they do not talk about it in their speeches and debates they're probably hoping no one will notice oh well let's just see what the votes later tonight bring so let us all know what you think by leaving a comment below and thank you for watching you please do like and share this video and also subscribe to my channel and when subscribing please do remember to press on the little Bell next to the subscribe button that way you're getting alert every single time I put up a new video thank you very much for watching you

Robert Hill UKIP Ireland Local Council Elections Campaign 2019

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Robert Hill is a UKIP candidate in the 2019 local Council elections.
They have just launched their campaign in the Clayton Hotel, Belfast.

Arlene Foster says DUP is focused on ditching the backstop

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DUP Leader Arlene Foster says the DUP will not be involved in any internal Conservative Party votes of no confidence or leadership changes but is focused on the policy of getting rid of the backstop in the Brexit process when the UK leaves the EU.
. Report by Simon Anderson.


Beer and Brexit with Stefaan De Rynck, adviser to Michel Barnier

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In the latest Beer and Brexit series, Professor Anand Menon speaks to Stefaan De Rynck, adviser to Michel Barnier on the Brexit negotiations. He tells us why the Withdrawal Agreement cannot be amended, the importance of the backstop and what the future holds for the European Union.

Andrew Neil goes at Ken Clarke on Brexit and Ken's 'Cambridge Union tactics' (04Apr19)

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Presenter Andrew Neil doesn’t let CONservative dinosaur Ken Clarke get away with bullshit, accusing Andrew Neil of sounding like a member of the ERG (European Research Group), defending his journalism, Andrew Neil tells Ken his “Cambridge Union [debating] tactics” won’t work.

Recorded from BBC2 HD, Politics Live, 04 April 2019.

What will happen to the Irish border post-Brexit? – BBC Newsnight

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Newsnight’s diplomatic editor Mark Urban reports from Ireland on the uncertain future of the Irish border.

Newsnight is the BBC’s flagship news and current affairs TV programme – with analysis, debate, exclusives, and robust interviews.


😮Brexit 'Project Fear' Wrong by £100 Billion😮

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The difference between the dire future the Remain campaign unleashed on the UK public using ‘Project fear’ and what has actually happened is staggering – Remoaners have a lot to answer for!

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Any Remoaners out there should now be hanging their heads in shame!

A major new report has put the final nail in the whole ‘Project Fear’ campaign that Remoaners are still using to this very day in one guise or another.

The upshot is that, according to George Osborne and his cronies, UK GDP would have dropped by 1.2 percent by mid 2018, says the report – leading to all those forecasts of Brexit calamity after Brexit calamity.

But, the report goes on, had there been no referendum, according to official figures UK GDP growth is forecast to have been 3.6 percent.

The actual outturn was 3.4 percent.

That means the difference between Project Fear and reality was 4.6 per cent of GDP, equivalent to about £100 billion!

In his report economist Timothy Congdon says that Project Fear was a ‘gross miscarriage of government’, now there’s an understatement!

And in an upcoming article for Standpoint magazine where the report will be published, he will look at two theories behind this monumental blunder.

Either Osborne breached the conventions of the UK’s unwritten constitution and abused the authority of the Treasury to give substance to lies, with Civil servants operating so closely to politicians, that they lost their objectivity and saw themselves as serving those politicians.

Or, the only advice Osborne received came from official economists who had no idea what they were talking about. With so many economists “parroting each other” that unanimity had to be taken at face value.

If the second scenario was the case, the report says:

“Osborne may not be a Svengali who corrupted the civil servants around him, but the innocent dupe of utterly incompetent and useless advisers who were carried away with their own tosh.”

At the end of the day the report concludes that there was perhaps:

“a mixture of malice and ignorance, of wicked politics and trashy economics and that – as usual with other policy blunders in recent decades – it was more cock-up than conspiracy.”

Whatever the reason, it shows that the foundations of the Remain campaign are built on some very shifting sands! Please remind them at every opportunity!

Other topics include: The EU’s EIF is shut to the UK, Theresa May could be setting us up to join a permanent EU customs union, Brexit minister Steve Baker on the Brexit deal meaningful vote and we must get involved in the Brexit vote anniversary.


hello there the difference between the dire future the remain campaign unleashed on the UK public using project fear and what has actually happened is staggering ramona's have a lot to answer for any ramona's out there should now be hanging their heads in shame a major new report has put the final nail in the whole project fear campaign that remainders are still using to this very day in one guy's or another the upshot is that according to George Osborne and his cronies UK GDP would have dropped by 1.2 percent by mid 2018 says the report leading to all those forecasts of brexit calamity after brexit calamity but the report goes on had there been no referendum according to official figures UK GDP is forecast to have grown by 3.6 percent the actual out turn was a GDP growth of 3.4% that means the difference between project fear and reality was 4.6 percent of GDP equivalent to about a hundred billion pounds in his report economist Timothy Condon says that project fear was a gross miscarriage of government now there's an understatement and in an upcoming article for standpoint magazine where the report will be published he will look at two theories behind this monumental blunder either Osbourne breached the conventions of the UK's unwritten Constitution and abused the authority of the Treasury to give substance to lies with civil servants operating so closely to politicians that they lost their objectivity and saw themselves as serving those politicians or the only advice was born received came from official economists who had no idea what they were talking about with so many economists parroting each other that unanimity had to be taken at face value if the second scenario was the case the report says Osborn may not be a Svengali who corrupted the civil servants around him but the innocent dupe of utterly incompetent and useless advisors who were carried away with their own Tosh at the end of the day the report concludes that there was perhaps a mixture of malice and ignorance of wicked politics and trashy economics and that as usual with other policy blunders in recent decades it was more cock-up than conspiracy whatever the reason it shows that the foundations of the remain campaign are built on some very shifting sands please remind them at every opportunity now The Telegraph reports that the EU European investment fund has shut down investment to UK startups despite our taxpayers still pouring their money into the system it also says that the ëif only put fifty three million pounds into UK focused funds last year which was a fall of 91 percent on what they funded in 2016 now the ëif is a three-way partnership with private investors and the European Investment Bank that invests in funds not companies and it has never said that it had stopped or limited UK focused funding but the numbers speak for themselves we should immediately pull whatever funding we give to that scheme and refocus it inwards and hang the screeches of protest there are claims that due to pressure from the House of Lords and the potential Commons vote this week the PM is about to surrender to the anti brexit ears unlock the UK into some sort of customs union with the EU in a strong indication that party politics is going to decide the issue the Sunday Times reports that Teresa Mays team has privately admitted she may have to accept permanent membership of a European customs union after a secret wargaming exercise concluded that even brexit ears such as Michael Gove and David Davis would not resign in protest and further that she and her senior aides will not be too upset if Parliament votes to keep the UK in a customs union this will do nothing but give anti UK anti Democrats further heart and recent comments by brexit Minister Steve Baker have also prompted the remain count to redouble its squealing for a second referendum when asked about the Commons having a meaningful vote on the brexit deal he said that the House of Commons can make amendments to proposed legislation the brexit Minister agreed a possible amendment would be for Parliament to only approve the withdrawal agreement struck with the EU subject to a second referendum reports the independent although mister Baker did point out that Parliament did have a duty to respect the referendum result and of course the remainders have lepton this saying that the House of Commons must now vote for a second referendum to give the choice to the people you know the same people that remain as claimed are too thick to be able to vote in a referendum on such a complicated issue and also don't know what they're voting for and as I said yesterday if she tries to keep the UK tied to the EU Theresa May could face a leadership challenge should 48 letters of no-confidence be sent to the chairman of the Tory backbench 1922 committee she may think she can get through this if she just says well that's Parliament for you but my guess is that's the way to her demise as p.m. but for our part we leave us must be prepared to do our bit and go the final mile to make sure we see brexit through Saturday the 23rd of June this year marks the second anniversary of that historic day the UK voted to leave the EU and there will be big brexit marches in London as well as in other cities across the UK it is up to you and me to ensure that we keep that day free a March with all the other brexit ears and outnumber the remainders who are bound to be there in years to come you will want to look back and say I was there I made a difference and I helped make it happen so please let us know what you think by leaving a comment below but also don't forget to grab the video link and share it across Facebook Twitter and by email thank you for watching please do like and share this video and also subscribe to my channel and when subscribing please do remember to press on the little bell next to the subscribe button that way you're getting alert every single time I put up a new video thank 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Union Fatcat Gets Schooled on Daily Politics

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That man has the charisma of a damp rag and the appearance of a low grade bank clerk. Remember the CBI said we should join the Euro currency in the early 2000s, thank god we didn’t. Unison and Unite unions also told us to vote remain. Remember these people.

now yesterday the EU withdraw a bill which would convert all current EU law into UK law after brexit was introduced for its second reading in the House of Commons we'll show you a bit of that debate later but although the attention this week has been focused on life after we leave the EU the battle to define how Brexton actually happens goes on inside the government and opposition so where exactly are the fault lines Tory's concerned about the consequences of with rural from the single market and customs union that's people like Nikki Morgan and Anna Sabri have criticised the with rural bill for giving ministers too much power over how to incorporate EU law but Theresa Mays facing pressure from another side to the much larger euro skeptic group of conservative MPs yesterday a letter emerged in which dozens aged the prime minister not to stay in the EU by stealth the letter was circulated among a social media group containing two junior members of the government brexit minister steve baker and treasury aide sue elephan and des labor has agreed a three-line whip on its MPs to oppose the EU withdrawal bill as it stands the party's brexit spokesman Kier star mrs. Labour wants to stay in the single market and customs union during a transition but it's divided on the nature of the final deal with the EU one group of Labour MPs including former shadow ministers Heidi Alexander and Alison McGovern is campaigning for permanent membership of the single market but Labour's 2017 manifesto so freedom of movement will end after brexit something John MacDonald has said is absolutely clear there's expected to be lots of pressure at the party's conference from the Labour campaign for free movement backed by people like Clive Lewis for a rethink back in that campaign is the former union leader billy hayes he is here with me now in the studio and also joining us is the businessman and founder of labour leave John Mills thank you both for being here Billy what exactly do you want to do at conference will you be setting a motion down on this issue well that's still being debated as to what's going to be discussed but very much we want to be in favor of the continuation of free movement of Labor the the decision and of k-star mana from bench is a good move in the right direction so the third part of that has got be a continuation of free move maybe but only till the end of the transitional deal well let's let's just deal with where we are at the moment we have to see the whole brexit the disaster that's breaks has played out yet so it's at this stage we're campaigning there needs to be the continuation of the free movement of labour and just to be clear you've signed up to a campaign with commitment defending and extending the free movement of people in the context of the debate around brexit so do you ultimately want to make it easier for people to come here well I think the big thing is the immigration and the free movement has been a good thing for this country and he's a good thing the world's most successful economy is built on by the USA it was being built on immigration and immigration as being good for this country and that's what the labor campaign for free movements is about is a continuation of freemum which has been good for the UK and is good for our economy just to be clear in 2016 people voted for brexit do you not accept that limiting free movement was part of that vote well at the polls of that obviously was a path the whole question of immigration but there's a recent YouGov poll it's said that people would accept free movement of labour if there was a deal on the single market that was a Yugo poll so yes obviously immigration was a factor but you know the fact of the matter is free movements of labour in this country has been a good thing and John you know they're basically saying that it's the best way to protect and advance the interests of all workers what do you say to that well I'm not at all sure that's right I think what's happened in this country is that we've had a large amount of immigration from people from Eastern Europe with low income expectations who have come in competed quite strongly at the lower end of the labour market and the Bank of England produced a report showing that in fact this was depressing wages wages vary slightly and it was only one report that is obviously quoted quite heavily and the Bank of England have actually made that smaller since then well I think there is controversy and doubt about exactly the extent to which this has happened but it's very hard to believe that having large numbers of people coming into a quiet to work for low wages and people who have got lots of aspirations and preventive work hard doesn't have some effect on the labour market and I think also because we've had such a big influx of people who were prepared to work for low wages this is discourage investment in the UK productivity has been stuck for in this country for nearly 10 years now so I think there are downsides to having complete free movement of labour I think that the what the Labour Party really needs to do in the country needs to do is to put some constraints on labour there but have as free a movement as we possibly can of people who are on high incomes and have the skills that the economy really needs and Billy how do you respond to that the idea that there has been an impact on lower paid workers well you yourself had just said that you know that's debatable about what's done to wages in this country but you know what's interesting is the reaction to the Tory proposals a friend of mine was trying to get through to the the office of the CBI yesterday and the switchboard was jammed with businesses saying the recent Tory proposals I think you're talking about the late proposals yet just a pretty big crackdown yeah and in the CBI the switchboard damn it jammed yesterday where people trying to get through to say what is this nonsense they're talking about in terms of restriction of low-skilled to just leak you talk about so I think well you say that businesses were talking about that we didn't hear very much from the Labour from bench even Diana that the shadow home secretary who we know is somebody who was talked about the virtues of free movement hardly had anything to say about that leaked document well I can't speak for labour front bench what I can say is that labour campaign for free movement is about support and those people in the party and wider society who think immigration has been good for this country and is you know was helped with in lots of is there was a woman on the other day on the TV talking about the impact on care homes of these restrictions go in as I say on the CBI is as we all know is against their the government proposals I know you can't speak for the labor front bench but presumably you know quite a lot of the figures who are on the front bench do you know if any of them are supporting your position well we've got some MP support i can't-can't lu the whole list but former front bench member eyre clive Lewis is one of the supporters of labour campaign without naming them other people in the freeway well I'm not going to say if I know people on the front Bren she was supporting they become paying for free late movements of labour but do you know I think this is it this campaign is going to take off because people say we're gonna be in a single market if we're going to be in the customs union then the logic of that need that needs to be three movements of labour as well but labour went into the election saying free movement will end John McDonnell has said it kiss Dharma has said it Jeremy Corbyn has said it yeah I'm not speaking for the labor for benches as I'm speaking those people in the past you think so you think that levy should go against its manifesto well there wouldn't be the first time any parties come against what it said in its manifesto but but what the point being is that we need to stiffen the sinews of those in the party who believe that the free movement of labour in this country in the Europe has been a good thing for Britain and John this is really challenging for labour because there are voters on both sides of this divide and they're very passionate I think they are but I think there's a large majority in the country who are in favor of a reasonable amount of immigration but aren't in favor of completely unrestricted immigration and you know if Billy's campaign is going to allow everybody in from EU why don't we let everybody in from all over the world I mean it seems to be some logic ality about all this and what did you think of the leaked proposals from the government about a post brexit system I thought they were far far too restrictive and kryptonian so what sort of system would you like to say well I think we need some constraints on on on free movement of labour from Easter from Eastern Europe but it's free a system as we can possibly devise for people who the economy needs for all sorts of purposes and some of them are highly skilled and some of them are other people like picking fruit okay and Jack where's all this going to go at labour conference it's gonna be a bun fight I mean you've seen there you know this this debate is happening right the way through the labour party at the moment and Kirsten and the shallow breaks actually has maneuvered the party into quite cleverly into a position without too much of a trouble but if you speak quietly and I'm sure you've done it yourself to certain Labour MPs particularly ones from northern constituencies where a lot of people vote it breaks it they're very nervous about Labour's current position on this they're very worried that their voters are going to turn around and say hang on you're trying to stop brexit happening all together that said you know it's about in the Election Jeremy Corbyn did say he done free movement but when asked if the numbers would come down he said maybe which suggests that they did pretty well in the election without going too hard on immigration well I mean I found billy's interview they're quite extraordinary really I mean you blithely talk about it being possible to renege on your manifesto the history recent history of parties that just blindly ignore their manifesto commitments isn't exactly a pretty one look what happened to the Liberal Democrats the toys have learnt a few things to their cost as well and I found it extraordinary that you weren't challenged on the claim that brexit is a disaster where is your evidence for that we haven't got brexit yet and furthermore you know you repeatedly claimed that people want free movement of people well the result of the brexit referendum was clearly indicating that people do want an end of free movement of people and I find it very strange that you continue to press for this and I think your campaign is going nowhere really well I wouldn't be the first time a journalist has told me the campaign I was involved in is going nowhere but what is definitely but it is a good point isn't it you know you make promises in an election and you can't just break them and then also how do you know the prex it's going to be a disaster well I think if you talk to the business community about the impact of the talks we haven't even left the EU yet and the impact of the talks if you talk to people in business in the CBI they can see what's what's looming large in terms of you know if we're going to be in a single market yeah just on the bots currently be mentioned and that and the customs union as this seems to be moving move be movements away from that's not the case we're not going to remain in the single market in the customs union that's the labor position but the fact of the matter is what's looking like that's what's going to happen and the u.s. if you're in a single market you must get support the free movement of labour of labor that's you know and I don't do you saying that labor should keep that as a permanent position then I don't speak for the labor policy I'm speaking for this campaigner at the moment we're campaigning to make sure but you were all running to be representative of the conference arrangements committee which is very influential committee and what's discussed a conference yeah in fact the ballot has just closed let's try a few minutes ago yeah so you do speak for the Labour Party to some extent haven't been elected yeah I don't know whether I'm gonna be elected to succour I can't take responsibility for a conference Arrangements committee I haven't been elected to look all the people who before brags it you know the mail and all the various genomes and all the rest to it the fact of the matter is the three movements of labour in this country in the European Union has been a good thing for this how damaging John could this be for the Labour Party these differences well I don't think it helps getting the labour party elected to the next general election to have all these differences I think that would be much better than the Labour Party could care less round policy and support the government and unite the country as much as possible on these negotiations I mean it is difficult but I think that's what lay but what to be doing rather than further and further dividing the country by some of those sorts of proposals we've heard ok we'll be keeping an eye on all of it now as we mentioned

Jeremy Corbyn snubs Remainers saying Labour will respect Brexit referendum

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JEREMY Corbyn today snubbed his pro-EU cheerleaders as he insisted Labour DOES back leaving the EU.

The leftie leader admitted he “cannot ignore” the vote for Brexit and suggested it would be undemocratic to stay in.
Mr Corbyn’s intervention comes as a blow to Labour figures who are keen for the party to back a second referendum.
Hours before the leader’s speech, the man running Labour’s Euro elections campaign insisted a vote for the party was a vote to reverse Brexit.

But Mr Corbyn said: “Over 17million people voted to leave the European Union. As democratic socialists, we cannot ignore that.
“We voted to trigger Article 50 in 2017 and promised to respect the referendum in our general election manifesto and again at our party conference last year.”

He also admitted Brexit has seen Britain “stuck in this endless loop” with Remainers pitted against Leavers.

Speaking at the Labour manifesto launch in Kent, the party leader warned that cross-party talks to get a Brexit deal are on the brink of collapse.

He said: “So far in those talks, there has been no big offer, and the red lines remain.
“It’s difficult negotiating with a disintegrating government with Cabinet ministers jockeying for the succession, rather than working for an agreement.”
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oh far in those talks there's been no big offer and the red lines remain in place it's actually quite difficult negotiating with a disintegrate in government with cabinet ministers jockeying for succession rather than working for an agreement as Democratic socialists we cannot ignore that we voted to trigger article 50 in 2017 it is in the country's interest to try to get this sorted one way or the other but we can never accept the government's bad deal or a disastrous No Deal so if we can't get a sensible deal along the lines of our alternative plan or a general election labor backs the option of a public vote on it the biggest the biggest issues facing us the talks that were having with the government have been difficult because as I said the government is in some degree of disarray itself they're still ongoing our point is that we want to protect jobs protect track and protect those rights that we have obtained and we will we met again yesterday and there will be further meeting coming up but quite honestly the government has to move its red lines we cannot go on having MV 1 MV 2 and V 3 and then coming on for possibly an MV 4 or a bill that we've yet to yet to actually see

Labour's Richard Burgon in disastrous Newsnight interview

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Newsnight 10 May 2019

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Oh Dan you are an incorrigible delinquent at times yourself earlier I sat down with Labour's shadow justice Secretary Richard Bergen to talk about today's launch it was his first BBC interview since footage emerged of him saying Zionism is the enemy of peace a statement he had previously denied making I spoke to him about this but started our conversation by asking if Labour's attempt to appeal to both leavers and remain errs was a risky move I understand what you means the easiest thing for the Labour Party or any party to do would be to pick one side or the other then at least we'd have a body of people who agree with us on everything in relation to this issue whether it be levers or remainders so I think no party has picked a difficult road a road whereby we can be kicked from both sides you might be punished yeah but it's the right thing to do I think it's the most difficult road but it's the right road to take for the country as well because not to end this divide most people don't pass classify themselves primarily as being levers or remain as however strongly they feel about this issue we want to end this divide sight and bring people together it's the tough it sort of thing to do but it's the right thing to do even if you get absolutely two rubbed in the polls and you do very badly in these European elections well it's still have been the right thing to do I think it is the right thing to do and I don't think by the way that we're going to get predictions a difficult game in politics it is very I suppose just to quote Mary Kray the Labour MP she says if Labour stands in the middle of the road on Breck's it will get run over from both directions that's that's true it's a difficult position we've taken it's the right thing to do because whether people live in Huddersfield and voted to leave or living happening voted to remain they're both facing the problems of austerity nine years now conservative austerity of cuts of the housing crisis of insecure unstable that we're not having any legislation at the moment it's a zombie Parliament they need a solution to get around for breakfast varieties we don't have a real government like a zombie government it's almost as if Teresa why do all talks for the last five weeks it was right that we entered into these talks and it's right that we're still part of them because we want to bring people together we want to see the traditional which is compromised because most people I speak to North American situation see when I'm complaining across the country actually just want this over and done with they want at each one but she's compromised they also want to be able to vote for a Labour Party where they know what the solution is going to be on brexit they don't want you in the middle of the road they want to know so let me ask you clearly you know is labor the party to stop brexit the Labour Party doesn't exist to stop brexit or the parties have been formed that think that is their only purpose politically the Labour candidate lauded onus just to say has said that's what you need to do in these European elections vote for labour and we will stop right I think he's corrected himself as incentives but the laser currently exists to bring people together because we know that the real divide in this country isn't between whether people voted leave or whether they voted remain such a part the real divide is were the part of the 99% or the 1% the 99% of people were getting a rotten deal under this rotten system whether we're in the EU or outside of the EU and I think that Labour is well placed to showcase our values the country in these elections which nobody really expected to be having to take place because a vote for labour in these elections these are votes against scapegoating migrants a vote so you're happy to fudge it it's not it's not about a forge saying it's a risk just be in the middle like this it is a risk it's a hard road but it's the right thing to do and what people really need what people really need from their politicians now is people seeking to heal divides not people seeking to expand divides their narrow political advantage five weeks into these talks then with the Conservatives John MacDonald the Shadow Chancellor said of the week and he doesn't trust the Prime Minister due to leaks around this prime minister is said and her team they don't want to stay in a customs union like labour once when are you going to actually walk away from these talks we're not going to walk away from these talks likely because we didn't enter into these and it but I for example in many getting more and more concerned that actually negotiating with Prime Minister isn't as straightforward as some I hope because she's actually negotiating with her own side continually and all the time there's new candidates for conservative Prime Minister popping up left right and center you look like you're propping up this government we're not we want to see an end to this but five weeks in that's how much longer are you going to give it five weeks in well the negotiating team are taking it very seriously but now it's time five weeks in as you say for Teresa made to come forward and say she's actually dumping some of these red lines and that she's not actually just trying to string along not only our Parliament's but the British public in an attempt to hold on to power for a few more weeks or even a few more days so you're gonna keep going with them until she walks away that's what it sounds like no we're taking part in these negotiations in a responsible way if it becomes fundamentally clear that's become a waste of time because of Teresa Mays behavior and the Tories competing which with its take over from her then of course we will no longer be taking part in these talks we won't want we were not to take part in which she becomes a sherrard today Jeremy Corbyn labeled anyone who supports Nigel Farage and his brexit party as Islamophobes anti-semites and conspiracy theorists he says quote Nigel Farage's brexit is a brexit for conspiracy theorists for those who see Muslims and migrants and George Soros as the enemy isn't that a bit rich coming from you well Nigel Faraj after nine years of conservative austerity doesn't offer the solutions to anyone this is someone who joined the Conservative Party at a young age he scapegoated migrants he's called for the privatization of our NHS he offers cheap and easy slogans but no solutions to the problems facing working class people across this country whether they voted leave or remain after nine years of conservative austerity you're a man who believes that all Zionists are enemies of peace well that was a comment that I made video was showing me making that comment before I was MP five years ago I regret making that comment because it's an over simplification because actually it fails to distinguish between those is Rayleigh citizens who were campaign Eli's who are campaigning for peace and people like Benjamin Netanyahu and his government who had clear barrier to peace and human rights but you lied that video was captured it was it was revealed a month ago and when you were asked about it on the BBC by my colleague Andrew Neil you said not only did I not say that you said that repeatedly you said I don't believe that why on earth should we believe anything you have to say when you outright lie well it's a serious point you made Emma and I certainly didn't let me explain put forward a serious point let me give the full answer to this I was first asked by a newspaper in 2016 whether I've made such a declaration I can't remember making such a declaration I asked them I asked someone as ments have said it and where they couldn't tell me fast forward two years later to 2018 and that your colleague Andrew Neil asked me if I made that comment in a meeting in 2016 I said it's not my view I said I've been asked where I made this comment and then a video a year after that came to light not of 2016 where I did some speeches after it been to Palestine and Israel batshit from 2014 five years ago before I was even a member of parliament the enemy of the Palestinian people are Zionists Zion Zion ISM is the enemy of the peace I do not have the time to read the entire thing it was a 30-second video I think you have read the entire it carries on you tell people to go and look up on the internet to find MPs Labour MPs who are Labour Friends of Israel members and you implore them to leave that you keep going that speech it turns out speech why did you lie I've just explained I didn't lie I'm sure Emma I'm sure everything you can't remember every answer you've given to a question I'm making an impassioned speech and I could tell you something else I could remember if it was my view so it's not sorry that you got caught are you sorry that that view was aired I don't use that what I was seeking to do as the transcripts you've got shows is distinguish between the Jewish people and other political actors lumping all Zionists together you clumsy and wrong you said what you said you were asked about it and you lied and you're a man who just sort of if I can finish this point you just took the Sun newspaper to court and won you are a man who likes facts you have a very senior position as shadow justice secretary which makes you a man of record people would find it extremely difficult when they look this video up online as they were probably well after our interview to think that you couldn't even remember making that speech people saying the people you lied so why should we know that's okay the people who puts it to me that I made this comment couldn't say what year I was meant to have made it couldn't say whereas meant to have made it couldn't say what context are meant to have made it does that mean they were saying and maybe in 2016 I couldn't remember using that term I couldn't remember using that turn of phrase half a decade ago you smeared an entire group of people around the world so I ask you again is it right for you to smear those people who support Nigel Farage because you say he's spreading lies when you've done exactly the same and you lied about not saying Nigel Faraj has made a career as a kind of snake oil salesman in politics posing as being anti-establishment while making out that the reason for austerity is actually with migration with Italy from people from other EU countries or elsewhere that is completely I like the Labour Party want to see an end to the human rights abuses visited on the Palestinian people by Netanyahu's government I like the low part want to see a two-state outcome anything you say this isn't an interview about the foreign policy of Israel it's an interview about you lying I've explained already that I forgot the phrase the I turns out I used half a decade ago before I was an MP I think most of your viewers could identify with did you use a phrase normal specified context half a decade ago before you were in your current job I didn't tell a falsehood and I've explained why I wouldn't use that phrase now thank you very much for your time today

Brexit breakthrough: Jean-Claude Juncker says talks ready for next phase

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on the basis of the mandate which was given to me by the European Council the Commission has just formally decided to recommend to the European Council that sufficient progress has now been made on the strict terms of the divorce the decision on sufficient progress will be in the hands of the 27 heads of state or government I'm hopeful through a confident true that they will share our appraisal and there are us to move on the next phase that the negotiations the deal we've struck will guarantee the rights of more than 3 million EU citizens living in the UK and of a million UK citizens living in the EU EU citizens living in the UK will have their rights enshrined in UK law and enforced by British courts they will be able to go on living their lives as before in Northern Ireland we will guarantee there will be no hard border and we will uphold the Belfast agreement and in doing so we will continue to preserve the constitutional and economic integrity of the United Kingdom


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which are for chairman you could Southwest Wednesday things rough what's going on in there what I think they're coming into an empire so clearly we have been for many months the Tories of wasting so much time in the George population election of course what's going on you know they've been hired as a remainder of course we knew that it's not going to happen I don't think he's gonna happen okay some kind of delay the question is how are you what I don't think you've anything by being angry but it makes me more determined but it makes so many people more determined and I think you know there's an opportunity to vote back for 2017 they won't make that mistake again so I think rather Southwest in Boston for example but we never remain Conservative MP Richard Graham Lotz devoted 58.5% relief most people are not going to trust which a gram of the Conservative Party ever again since well I I'm not I'm not clever but I sort of predicted it because there's a remain house of commons remain house of lords and I think it's more fundamental had there been a more proportionate electoral system in this country not the outdated first-past-the-post system it would have been eight to five year for MPs in there in 2015 and wouldn't have had a 2017 election we would have left two years ago we'd be out trading with the rest of the world now because the elections main parties at the most agree and it dances on you know council comments does not reflect the populist House of Lords surely doesn't and this is a symptom of that so I think the roots are much deeper go back to electoral reform and they're back to the factor why would you put a remain person in treason a in charge of practice it's like putting a vegetarian international butcher shop what I of course it's frustrating but you know at the end of the day we know what this voted for we know the campaign the whole establishment was it was under image side David Cameron spent nine million pounds extra all the rest of it yeah people have not been listen to listen to but I you know I truly believe there will be a reckoning from this and what that's going to be I couldn't sell these war you know but there will clearly be a reckoning whether that's a split of the two main parties or whatever it is to be but people have voted in a certain way and you know people in Gloucester come up you can remain people would say they think it's disgusting next time so friendly I don't fear a second I don't know the noise with a costume a delay the uncertainty that's been created by a proprietary as a man the Conservatives but the fact is I truly believe that this is something referendum that hopefully will be even bigger than a possible 2016 so whatever shenanigans we will eventually leave WTO terms not no diem terms will leave in a positive manner would side with our European partners projects fear accrue to be the complete load of rubbish that was back in 2010 so it's just a question of time and as far as that's concerned we're now adopting handles for the elections in June so you may fight and I hope that all those people they were let down by labour and the Conservatives in the southwest will vote for candidates to become the MEP election just through this way this one Oh from a person a sexy accent absolutely absolutely it's very hard to put down isn't it and trouble is it's like a kind of unbelievable isn't it but but in a way I think what's going to happen like I say I wouldn't sound clever than the next person but you know it's obvious isn't it if you have a remain majority House of Commons which doesn't reflect populace at large or the popular votes at large and still less a remain House of Lords which is appointed or hereditary or whatever with the most ridiculous thing that we've got 870 people in the House of Lords you know the u.s. hundred people yeah I'm not surprised you know please help in a way every cloud has a silver lining is holding up these institutions for the night with century dysfunctional institutions and electrical systems they are something positive if you want to support a return to proper parliamentary democracy and for Britain to unite to make a successor brexit join you Kipp today go to on oh three three three eight hundred six 800

Trump threatens Europe with new tariffs

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okay very good morning it is the 9th of April Tuesday hope you are well quick overview of what we're going to cover actually some trade updates this time not between US and China but between the US and Europe is being targeted and that will probably go some way to explain a little bit of the underperformance in European equity indices this morning we do have an update actually from Larry Kudlow on the the Chinese us talk so I'll go through that and then of course inevitable I've got to talk about brexit Theresa May looking to meet with her major European counterparts today so she sees Angela Merkel the German Chancellor the first thing this morning and she kind of skips over to Paris to meet with macron later to obviously very pivotal players in Europe ahead of the EU council summit tomorrow so let's just have a quick review of the charts overall and what we're looking at here and as you can see just to refresh your memory we've got the dax in the center left it's just where my my my mouse is at the moment and you can see it's underperformed a little bit down through the s1 already US indices also marginally lower I guess the one thing to say here is we just make the SNP chart a little bigger definitely 2,900 is is the level that's going to be for the next coming days I think the one to watch and I actually do think it will hold at least probably for the best part of today's session my thinking for that is not because today is particularly busy session in fact it's pretty much the opposite when it comes to potential fundamental factors that can move this particular market when I'm thinking is that you know you've got the ECB coming up later in the week you've got the FOMC minutes happening tomorrow I do actually think that those minutes could be quite interesting overall just given how surprisingly dovish they were when we had that announcement from the Fed on the 20th of March so I think for a moment you've got earnings season around the core JPMorgan Wells Fargo kicking things off on Friday I just think that given that really strong move higher we've had in the US equity market it makes sense I think for a little bit of profit taking and again like we've been discussing before consolidation really at around these elevated levels so if I just get the rectangle box here this is the kind of area that I'd suggest maybe we might consolidate at least until Wednesday night when we get the FOMC and potentially that if it yields any surprises could be the next catalyst for a push in either direction so I'm looking at really 84 and a quarter so the 2900 handle as defining that upper and lower bound of price activity interested interesting to see though looking on the 30-minute kind of candlesticks here how well that that levels responded thus far so yeah pretty much what I've got marked up here on these two levels is that is deranged I'm referring to if you're looking on the shorter timeframe European no equities are underperforming let me jump straight to the main story then that's really grabbing much of the attention and this is because you've got trade talks coming up so this week just so you're aware and and of course perfectly timed by Donald Trump as ever EU are meeting with or having some discussions this week with China about trade talks and you are having trade discussions with Canada this week US ones are coming up but of course Donald Trump is aware of conversations going on with his other countries so he's kind of jumped the gun and he's in saying that actually he's gonna threaten new EU tariffs on motorcycles helicopters cheese and wine and this actually equates to I think it's around 11 billion dollars worth of imports yes so proposing tariffs on some 11 billion dollars in imports from European Union in response to harm the US says it's being caused by the block subsidies to boeing company rival airbus if you remember in in terms of the major manufacturers that produce nearly all of the major planes in the commercial space they're either Boeing or they're Airbus which I believe forms part of a the EAD S group but the point being is that that being a very kind of staple French company it is subject them to quite substantial subsidies from the government which is highly beneficial for that company and Trump is basically saying unless you remove those and block this then unfair competitive advantage you're giving to this company against our competing firm Boeing then basically I'm going to slap her large tariffs on the back of a number of these goods so this is the latest kind of gambit from Trump pretty aggressive on the European side so being factored in a little bit this morning the euro in the currency markets not really too fazed but obviously the direct impact would be on the the corporates in terms of in mainland Europe Germany included and so you've got a little bit of risk off trade dax lower bund edging up from its negative trade overnight when it has moved back into positive territory and boom futures and trades just above pivot so that's one of the major stories not a massive market mover but certainly something to be aware of everyone's so kind of concentrated on this us-china issue there's a whole other spectrum of trade pause to be mindful of going forward on the China side goodloe has said the us-china deal closer more teleconferences are on tap this comes after there's been meetings in Beijing two weeks ago then Washington last week and both sides are said reportedly said to be in continuous touch at the moment to try and get this deal over the line what they're trying to ascertain at the moment is the definitive agreements around the text regarding technology transfers IP protection non-tariff measures services agriculture trade enforcement you know just getting all of these done and potentially in four to six weeks time having like a symbolic summit where basically Trump will invite you Jinping to his to his golf course of course to just kind of income the deal so that's where this is heading at the moment so things are still looking relatively positive this has been one of the factors amongst others that's helped elevate this US equity market to these levels to near the full recovery of that q4 sell-off but I would say the status quo as it stands as as we've discussed just now with this article I think that is largely priced in now I don't think there's much more upside than you're going to get on this not unless you see the deal signed quicker than four to six weeks basically so there definitely something to keep an eye on going forward and relatively though priced in for the moment all right the other thing that we're looking out for here is crude and obviously we spent much of this time yesterday talking about Libya of course which gave us that extra little catalyst to fire us up to the this last little pop when the u.s. came in so really the Libya situation it almost as the u.s. waited for this and then it kind of pushed to the upside to give you an idea about numbers again Libya's being pumping if I just move my chart over to the transition so this was when the Libya US came in reacting to the Libya story this is a two-fold effect with the market here because not only is this elevated by news but the news almost acts as their as the catalyst then to snap through some more significant technical levels and crude has been working excellently when it breaks a key level to run almost immediately to the next level whether or not that's within range of twenty thirty cents or a dollar or more it typically then just opens up almost a trapdoor if you like to the next clearers defined level and yesterday we were looking at the fact that we could really break through that that's 63 59 s which was the summer 18 low you can see here and that 61.8% the FIB retracement of that overall q4 moves then the next logical target would be the 64 44 and you can see absolutely working as a strong target that being then the next August below and then above the 65 handle would be the next one so we've managed to eke out a high thing yesterday just a couple of cents short of that where we are at the moment though we're now we're trading you know sixty four and a half so I would say unless there is a new as I said on Monday we need a new potential supply shock and that came from Libya and that's what's bumped us up through the next couple of resistance levels here to get us up again we probably need further developments on that side to be honest because if we start looking at this market again like what I said with the SP I do feel like a lot of this is becoming priced in now to some extent not unless we hear or something new now one thing I did hear earlier was that Iranian president rouhani came out just about half an hour ago when I came in and I caught the news that he said if the US pressure continues Iran will produced more advanced centrifuges centrifuges of course are used to power nuclear facilities this is something of which goes back to them many years ago when the US was sanctioning heavily Iran so yeah things like that need to need a couple more of those types of news headlines Iran saying that isn't particularly new as weird as it sounds Iran producing centrifuges to power nuclear facilities is actually not new information I guess we'd need a more concrete development on that front but certainly there seems to be enough geopolitical tension certainly in the Middle East we're definitely it wouldn't take much to create that kind of breach of 65 a breach of 65 running starts putting us in a north of 66 up to 68 86 I'd be targeting which is up and around that rectangle they're looking on the bottom though another technical indicator obviously that will draw some attention I've got the RSI put onto my chart here down at the bottom and you can see here now we're pushing an 82 in the RSI I was having a look back when was the last time we were up at this high and you can see you got to go back to the peak that we had that initial what would have been a multi-year high at the time going into early 2018 when the RSI peaked at 87 at the moment when we got to the October high which was the four-year high the RSI was trading just around where it is at the moment so we are potentially coming to a point of which some could suggest we're getting a little overbought now nonetheless a graphic out of Bloomberg I don't think this is particularly new we did discuss this yesterday but hedge funds are still relatively bullish they've been adding to their long positions we've been seeing this for consecutive weeks I guess what's going to be interested is going forward monitoring this number in the days week to come as to when now we're at nearly a 65 handle do they remain bullish and do they continue to add to this position or is this that could be quite telling I think as to whether or not this move is getting to a degree of being exhausted in that respect all right got a jump over then to brexit let's give you a round up of what exactly is going on first of all you had the UK Lords hearing and vote in regards to the Yvette Cooper bill that was passed by the lower house last Wednesday about this changed to the No Deal status so let me just get you up to speed of exactly what's been happening the House of Lords and MPs in the Commons on Monday passed the final stages of the bill requiring the p.m. may to consult Parliament on the length of any new brexit delay and seeking to prevent the UK leaving the EU without a deal on Friday the bill now an act of parliament approved by the House of Commons last week what this means then is that it reduces the possibility of an accidental No Deal brexit as was some were fearing could happen by at this Friday of course under Miss mrs. Cooper's bill mrs. may will be obliged to seek a brexit delay and to consult MPs on her proposed extension to article 50 but she will not have to return to the Commons if he you leaders decides on a different length of extension to mrs. Mays plan under the terms of the amendment approved by peers she can accept the leaders offer so quite a point there too to understand this latest article doubt to the side of me here is what Bloomberg are running and let me get you again up to completely up to date of what's been going on so Theresa may on Monday night so last night has infuriated conservative Euroskeptics as basically she's paved the way for Britain to take part in the European parliamentary elections and reopen talks with Labour's Jeremy Corbyn on a compromise brexit deal now this was always going to happen I mean it was inevitable in a sense that to get an extension remember what we had always said for many weeks about April 12th you're gonna have to give notice that you're going to take part in those elections so again this is really just politics at play you're a skeptic throwing their toys out of the pram of course because this is exactly not what they're going to want to do a head of local nay elections happening in the UK when they're going going to have to confront their constituency a couple of finite points here to be aware of the reason why they're upset is then an email sent out last night to conservative candidate lists and it basically said I mean just imagine if you were a brexit ear and you got this in your inbox and it said quote due to the current situation we will be contesting the European elections on May 23rd please put forward your candidates I mean you'd be pretty fuming if you receive that as a text message if you have that rain client the party then later issued a statement though the Conservative Party stated saying that although mrs. May placed an order as we just heard on Monday night to allow the elections to take place she still hoped to ratify a brexit deal before polling day next month allowing her to cancel the elections at short notice so this is again the caveats of course which is in order to secure the extension she needs to say we're gonna take part however she hopes then to strike a deal within the next four weeks which means they too can cancel then the European Parliament parliamentary elections happening here to put forward those MPs you know so this is the way it works so actually you know although the brexit is it's kind of one step closer there's still not a slam dunk that that actually is going to happen now a few other things here of what exactly is happening obviously May in Corbin a somewhat a loggerhead still so still to be watched on Twitter for any updates there however may is pretty much not going to be concentrating on Corbin for the moment she's gonna have to leave that to the rest of her team because she's going to be meeting Merkel this morning and macaron this afternoon ahead of then probably coming back to London to meet with the developments for Corbin to then go back to Brussels tomorrow so she's certainly clocking up her air miles at the moment the key point here then is that the PM and what she's been suggesting it's still favoring something more like a customs arrangement rather than a customs union according to people familiar with the situation on that basis it suggests that labor might have obviously trouble agreeing to such terms Corbin was quoted yesterday as repeating of saying that Mrs May is not yet moved off her red lines what they want obviously is something more customs union with the EU in alignment with the single market with full dynamic alignment of workers rights environmental protection and consumer standards so yeah still some way to go before cutting a deal and with that being said this then is what we're looking at so this is a decision tree you've seen many of these and I'll continue to post them because every day they're being updated so here let me quickly talk you through just add to what I've been saying so request further extension as short as possible well that's the intention at least as Therese Amaze current plan Europe have come back and said something more akin to 9 to 12 months which basically would take us to the end of the year to give you exact definition of what's being discussed the talk of a longer extension could be to the end of 2019 but importantly and remember this is what you used to ski the EU president said last week that it could be included a break clause if Britain have proved a deal so for me that's a pretty good deal if I was Britain I'd take that but Who am I to say anything say going back to the chart you request a further extension as short notice talks to Jeremy Corbyn continue now can they reach a compromise yes or no and this is where the divide initially of the tree comes can image compromise yes when the PM takes the new deal and extension requests at you late leaders which is tomorrow she will then present that the EU either agrees and if they do the government tries to implement its new deal we roll on from April 12th for the predefined error agreed for the extension if though they can't agree with Corbin can they agree a new compromise deal no well then MPs will need to vote on a range of options government to stand by the deal if agreed by MPs she goes back to the summit if they disagree and the e refuses don't forget we could have a no deal brexit still on Friday because even though we ratified this as an act of Parliament now Europe could turn around and go no we don't care we're not having it no deal or of course you could go down the route of cancel brexit so if you think about it I still think No Deal No Deal prospect in my mind given the current state that with four days away from it still think is incredibly small ie I would put it as small as sub 5% I'd go they're gonna put my neck out I'd say 2% that's how little I think that the risk is of a No Deal and how much I think politicians are just playing a game of brinksmanship canceling brexit I think is very low probability as well albeit higher than I'd say actually a No Deal and actually then that leaves us with one option well guess what you're going to have to take the deal I'm afraid because that's the situation as it stands whether you're brexit ear or not so I still remain by the view that that is going to happen there will probably be in the next day or two some movement I think on the back of the Corbin compromise and then for the summit it is all going to be last minute hence is the nature of brexit if that does occur I mean cable I'm gonna leave cable force and have a look at but what I'm saying is that in on a daily continuation chart here I'm looking for a bit of relief as then we get closer towards this extension coming in obviously the longer the extension is I do think that the more potent the potential relief rally could be upside targets I'd say I'd be looking at initially would be somewhere akin then to that 13350 level so good two points above where the current prices at the moment and that trendline just holding still for the moment in time that being said I did see a very interesting tweet because everything we're talking about is the function of the reality and probability of what exactly will be the end compromise for brexit now that is very different probably for what the public are gonna are gonna enjoy or dislike because there was a new comrades poll commissioned by telegraph last night and I just thought it was an absolute clear-cut reflection if I think national sentiment about this whole situation so this is removed now from markets talking about the general public and basically this was the outcome revoke article 50 and romain 40% have a second referendum in out 39% leave without a deal 38% second referendum between remain either remain or take trees trees amazed ill 38% point being is the public is as divided as Parliament is it's pretty much a complete same situation as the first point of the 23rd of June of 2016 nothing's changed if we were to have this again it's exactly down the middle that's the point you know and hence it's such a divisive issue so there either way the point I was making in a tweet last night when I said this there is going to be a significant portion of this country unhappy but that is the fact of the matter whether we end up having a soft brexit or hard brexit ie a No Deal someone's not gonna like it and that's just the status quo I'm afraid all right commander wise for today let me just quickly shift it over and so you guys can have a look it is particularly quiet with that being said probably a couple things I am looking out for is any further developments potentially on Libya we heard yesterday that half tar and his kind of coup if you like on the government was getting closer to Tripoli and I think that they had to attacked one of the main airports at the time that does need to be monitored any of those who do trade energy if you go on my Twitter account and scroll back to yesterday I did post these cribs sheets which basically is everything you need to know about Libya every detail around their current production values the output capacity of different oil sites and facilities and also the detailed assessment of the infrastructure and key areas of which you would need to watch so if you are an energy trader I take these opportunities if you like when it comes to Libya if you're a new trader this is a word of advice if you're trading things like energy take these opportunities when these stories flare up to really SWAT up and get over a broader view understanding of these countries because ultimately civil tensions in Libya will come back you know when Gaddafi died in what 2011 it peaked it will come back in the future and it'll be someone else I'll be in Nigeria there'll be a different country this is how you accumulate that knowledge of a slightly deeper level which definitely gives you much more conviction for understanding the news for sure and it will improve your fundamental kind of view on or markets the best thing I like doing with this type of situation as we did yesterday was look at maps look at maps of these oil for some countries and start to understand the infrastructure and it'll give you a much better awareness than of the key areas to be sensitive to for any developments on the the news front so yeah anything out of Libya anything out of Merkel and macron on the brexit side to be honest I don't think Merkel's a conversation you really need to pay too much attention to she's pretty warm to the fact of getting a decent brexit deal for Britain it's macron that really is quite key he's been probably the most hawkish of the European politicians on having specific conditions attached to any agreement that gets done yeah another than that I think trade war risk that kind of flare up and deterioration of the talks I think is limited at this point so potentially more 20900 acting as the range high could be the way forward given the fact that we've got the FOMC minutes tomorrow which showing will be a relatively interesting and big important event so maybe people might sit on the sidelines waiting for that to to materialize okay that's it for me let me hand you over to Sam and I wish you a good day ahead thanks very much guys thanks and good morning everyone hope you will have a good evening start with the currencies to serve a quick look how where we're currently trading in the euro which broke out of a bit of a range s they as did a number of the dollar pairs Aussie dollar looking pretty similar in that sort of push above last week's highs retested it early hours this morning / overnight and you can see we found pretty good support on that I wonder if we've just started to find a bit of a bottom here in the euro however it looked listen it wouldn't be too surprising if we did you know albeit not necessarily today start to drift that lower again and and each time we do that a pretty worth having a bit of a trend I'm known if we take it back to not too long ago similar sort of pattern here going back to the beginning of March where we were drifting we were drifting had the FOMC pushed higher and then we drifted all the way back down so I don't think for one minute just yet the euro is is in the clear but we are above this range so important level line in the sand to keep an eye on that that low from overnight which was the high going back and you can see from yesterday where but and has it marked up on on the chart really important level to be aware of and we all were just coming back down to that the dollar index just starting to pick up a touch and the pound has some interesting levels just a bit above where we're trading but that dollar strength that's just coming into the market just holding that progress a bit the the trendline that we did break through late last week you can see really well respected as support initially before breaking through on Friday in a bit of a a choppy way of course non-farm payrolls influencing that a touch however that would come in if we sort of continued the progress higher probably a similar time to the high that we had on Friday also the lows of the third in in play there so looks like it coming around 1:30 160 odd in the futures maybe a bit higher on the the high of Friday but an area to be aware of none less that dollar strength just bring in pound down a touch and the low that we had this morning also the highs of yesterday so a couple of these dollar pairs have got some really interesting potential areas to support that if you do feel any sort of dollar strength is going to come back into the market this would be an area to look to wait for it to break to get short so if that was to go and the euro is to break lower than then sure these markets can of course drift down that range that we talked about in the Euro breaking well here you can see it in the Aussie breaking through over overnight early hours around sort of 4:00 a.m. UK time and we've already come back to test it really strong level so anyone that was was up trading in the early times would have been a good opportunity to got in long there what was a really solid level resistance previously gone up to the high that we made as I say what's the date here on the 26 that out so a really good opportunity there if we were to start to drift a bit lower I mean the previous high the day is only a couple of ticks below but I think from a safety point of view you probably do one that that low to go as well and then you might start seeing a few of these dollar pairs really started to drift lower but for now bit of weakness and any any strength club be waiting for these support levels to go the yen you can see had a little bit of a push higher this morning as well happened early hours yesterday range trade if you were that way inclined we've already I guess had that first test of yesterday's high which was also the high that we had back on the third so be keeping an eye on that if it was to come up again would you really want to be going there for third time in in 24 hours probably not a bit of an extension through that then you're looking suddenly at the highs that we have back on the third I do still think this market has got a bit more room to go to the downside you can see if we go back to the 25th of last month we had this drifted down however like a few of those dollar pairs just starting to bottom out a touch if I'll course this market the correlation with equities is probably going to come true in 2900 well I guess we got there on the futures literally to the tick at 1 a.m. this morning and and that will go quickly longer-term chart just to show you how significant all of these key levels have been and and the way this has worked you got if we go back through the December level year 12 for December really key point and you had the 200-day moving average around here first retest of the December highs then you've got the April October low every time the decent reaction and then it's almost on the fertile sort of second test that have then gets that breakthrough so 2900 is a key level absolutely that people will look at good place for people to take profit it is that round number cycle at all level people be looking at it might be that we drift lower and you iron eyeing 2865 for that place to get in for a final push up to the all-time highest risk reward is good you don't need a massive stuff in it I think for now you've got a favor that outside whether that be today or not let's have a look like a potential place to get in it really does feel like 2017 again that every bit is an opportunity to buy yesterday we had a bearish open on the cash open the heart the low that we had ran midday on the fifth great area support and as that was pretty much I didn't so cool from what I remember although I guess it did go through it a bit but you've got some support that we had lowered down on the fifth as well for these markets that then did push on S&P in the afternoon I think would be obviously the better time to trade it we had sort of developed this mini range from the the high that we had early hours in Asia trading and then this low around the s1 though just a bit below decent support from yesterday that final push into the close I think would be an area to keep an eye on s1 and that low coming in on the futures the lower 28 87 3/4 would definitely be somewhere RBI and are any push above 28 96 just be careful because you had the the previous low at 97 that thing would be more important so really you've got to get a break above that if we do 2900 breaker that there'll be a few stops above there I'm sure as well have a quick look over at gold which 1300 and now back above you know it's yeah still an important level whether you're trading it on the spot or the futures but has been you know chops through a fair few times even though haven't broken above it yesterday we did remain so I'd still have it as a bit of a line in the sand if if if you want to get sure it might be that by the time the euro the pound the Aussie effect below there overnight supports or breaks of those ranges the gold is also below 1300 in in what was a relatively quiet day yesterday gold and oil were the main movers however you can see gold pretty much undid a lot of the hard work to get to that high just looking at the lows over the last 24 in a bit hours you can see they are getting higher the trendline is not amazing where it's not too bad to be honest I would definitely have that on a break of that then you might get that run down to 1300 so it would be something I'd be bi enough having a look at oil before we look at quickly European equities which have been under touch of pressure this morning where are we gonna get to it in oil in a market that seems just like the S&P is the only ways been up recently key I think to have it marked at where is it around pretty much now on that daily continuation for oil anywhere around 65 is going to be important you've got the previous lows going back to June and August last year and where we broke down in early November so bit of a short-term top potential potential for that along with the S&P at 2900 and that correlation working so well and in turn yesterday the Canadian dollar had such a a good day you can see being dragged higher by oil prices if we just have a look at this you can see really pushing on to the top end of that range helped by a bit of dollar weakness as well just to finish off with the Dex you can see had broken lower this morning o litre to snapback really in those sort of the last 10 minutes up on the pond that open breaking through and now we're now back up to almost the sort of closing high that we had overnight so key level to keep an eye on there just above that the pivot and the round number the 12,000 couple important points that I would have marked up on the chart any questions as usual please do let me know beyond the my crew out the day if I don't catch you all I hope you'll have a great trading day

Is Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit stance costing him support?

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UKIP Rob McCormick interview March 2019

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Rob McCormick interviewed by Richard Ford March 2019.
Rob expresses his concerns for the people of Coney Hill Gloucester.

good morning my name is Richard Ford on the UK parliamentary candidate for lost oh and I've got Robert McCormick with me Ron McCormick who is the candidate for the cony Hill ward in the Gloucester City Council xions in 2020 hi Rob hi so here we are in Coney Hill as you can see we've got the brexit truck here we can see that Theresa may tumble down Theresa and the Conservatives are totally brewed trying brexit we knew that would happen Richard Graham the remainder MP for Gloucester Conservative MP food lost her voted to remain in the European Union by extending article 50 he voted to get rid of the No Deal brexit this the WTO brexit which means that we have to pay Gloucester and the rest of the UK have to pay thirty nine billion pounds and he voted for Theresa Mae's shabby deal now here in Coney Hill was one of the highest results in Gloucester in the referendum nearly three years ago and seventy one percent seventy one percent of people here in Coney Hill voted to leave the European Union nearly three years later due to the incompetence and of the Tories kicking the can down the road by Richard Graham MP food lost and Theresa May nothing is pretty much pretty much nothing's happen Rob what do you think your friends and neighbors and family will think about everybody in corner here Oh sweetie seemed she said disgrace we voted in 2016 to levy EU we promised that they'd respect a referendum on on British people yet we're still in here and the way it's going moment will always be a new year well I think you probably right suddenly sir Rob we've got elections in Gloucester next year just over 12 months away you're standing here in Coney Hill Ward 4 Gloucester City Council you're a Coney Hill lad born and bred what do you think really needs to be done here on a more local level in Coney Hill and what what things do it participates in locally what community activities what I'd like to see is a lot people have saying to me they'd like a pharmacy in cone here and there's one is up at Morrison's they near youth club in coal Hill at moment Quarry Hill residents can only use it one night a week and or we have a notes are taken up by outside people different residents different areas now I think that's wrong Koli Hills declined a lot the curse of neighborhood project has disappeared I first helped set up a neighborhood project in colony Hill many years ago very successful until the Tories withdrew your funding thank you that's really comprehensive and I know you do a lot of youth work don't you Antonio as well you have done yes I used to run the Gloucester wheels project very successful at a 500 children on two of them re– committed crime yet Vittorio's just on take off funding away from us again City Council I also used to run a junior stunt team and a senior teen no-limit stunt team no sex I saw we used to raise money for charities and instead given the money we'd say what what would you like they tell us what they wanted and we gon buy it and sends it to them thank you very much indeed Rob well I think you'll agree with me that Rob will make an excellent ambassador for Coney Hill he's already doing community work he's from here he knows people here he knows everybody here in fact just walking around he's saying hello to everyone so next year elections Gloucester City Council please vote Rob McCormack for Coney Hill Rob mechanic for Coney McCormick for Coney Hill Gloucester okay please help to get Rob elected to the City Council to break up the duopoly of labour and conservative at the City Council that have run this town run Coney Hill for years it's a lovely sunny morning in Coney Hill yes we know breaks it's delayed but you've got an opportunity to say and to make your mark here in Coney Hill and in the rest of Gloucester next year May sorry about that May 2020 Gloucester City Council elections vote for Rob McCormack for Coney Hill and other you keep candidates in Matson and elsewhere in Gloucester thank you very much indeed thank you if you want to support a return to proper parliamentary democracy and for Britain to unite to make a successor brexit join you Kip today go to WWE talked or phonus on oh three three three eight hundred see 800 you

Paper review and week ahead: May's Brexit surrender and Trump blimp cry babies

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oh there oh then you are an incorrigible delinquent at times babe yourself an front pages football football football and football but there are other stories here's the Sunday Telegraph you turn it over they've got brexit story here Jacob Riis mug looking pensive and worried as he does so well and an extrordinary story about fears that trump may pull Britta all US troops out of Europe and it's going to really really interesting summit that but as I say football football football The Observer has mais EU deal under fire from business and hardline BRIC sinners The Sunday Times has donned an entirely football front page like that and but they've got more brexit inside much to talk about their semi gods says the Sunday Mirror not a bad pun I suppose yes says the Sun on Sunday and so on and so forth one last political story The Mail on Sunday Boris in four letter attack on May a slightly unpleased image he has come up with which we will discuss in a moment but let's start with all of those bricks at stories James so the man on Sunday has a can a great write prove what happened at checkers including Boris Johnson's a colorful description of a deal which wasn't particularly complimentary to him better talk about that he said it was polishing a turd yes indeed all he said the deal was like a turd but there was some expert turd polishes in government who might be able to try and sell it to the public and I think this is the kind of question here which is how much does this Tory disquiet about the deal where does it go it is quite clear but the leave cabinet ministers want to make clear their reservations here and the mayor on Sunday peace we learned that Michael Gove is saying the deal was the pragmatic response to where we are now because of a lack of No Deal planning and the lack of a parliamentary majority there's not perfect but the best week yes exactly and I mean this is the question which is how many people are prepared to accept that given where you are now this deal is okay even if it's not what they want and prepared to think about kind of brexit 2.0 in the future kind of fixing this deal later down the road or how many people respond like they're gonna farm when asked for directions thank but I wouldn't start from here it's interesting they're in the mail it's Sunday that the the brexit ears a hopping mad but let's talk about leadership challenge letters being submitted why just well we've heard about that it's the grand old Duke of York military tactic guidebook isn't it perhaps Mike this time it is indeed it's been interesting hasn't it been notable how few brexit ears have been very vocally against this and the remainders have kind of taken control of this weekend quite a lot you're chairman of the lobby and big big moments in in Parliament next week I mean Theresa May addressing the 22 committee of Tory MPs tomorrow I think that's tomorrow and then the the trade bill coming back to the House of Commons whether this may of course be debated yeah so I think this week we've got the 22 t committee and we'll see these arguments being played out behind the scenes mostly I think in terms of Lobby we're going to be focused on the Trump vis it on a Friday as well but looking ahead to the next week we've got the customs they've got the trade bills the Monday and the Tuesday and that's when it will all play out in the open in the Commons chamber and we're going to see whether this deal has calmed down any potential rebellion there well James quite a lot of people will be asking why haven't these people resigned what's the answer well their problem is essentially this which is they would prefer a deal based on the kind of Canada EU free trade deal the problem of that is that it's incompatible with what Tories May signed up to on the Irish border in December so that would require hiving Northern Ireland off which would be very difficult in any circumstances but when you are relying on the DUP for your majority in parliament it is obviously impossible if you go back on those commitments you made in December you're getting into No Deal territory and it simply isn't feasible to get the country ready for no deals there haven't mean the preparations made by March 2019 it was obviously no deal with me no transition period Kathy we we saw the editor of the Sun I think at one point going in to see Theresa May just before this as knows how well has that done for her well not very well at all in the some headline stitch-up oh they're absolutely furious furious particularly with the big gun brexit ears as they put it who caved in and backed the plan for a soft brexit and then they also have it in for the remainders who they thought would switch to a brexit who turned out to be quote all talk and no trousers which is about the biggest insult in them in the sun that you can imagine but I mean it's it's interesting isn't it because the the turd publisher if I could use that word again the spin doctors that Boris has got it in for have been out in force in all the newspapers so we see this joint article written by Michael Gove who you've got on your program shortly and Greg Clark which is quite a strange sort of feat really because they're from other sides either from opposite sides of the debate it should be like having a Tory and a Labour leader speaking in the same voice and same article it isn't so they speak lots of different voices because it's a first-person article and they slip into the third-person so it's it's slightly strange but it is this is sort of cake ism isn't it I mean they're trying to have their cake and eat it as a Christian is there an overall sense in the papers today that this has been a good week for Theresa May and she has pulled off something that people thought she couldn't pull off I think I think it is and I think you can see from the pit that for the way they handled it number ten on Friday was all embargo till nine o'clock that the cabinet ministers had their phones removed so all we got was number Ten's version of it at nine o'clock and and nobody has come out to really criticize it and all those photos of her looking very commanding and there's some extraordinary aggressive government briefing about you know ambitious and self-indulgent ministers having to toe the line and so forth well we'll see Cathy hits on the key question yet one of the things that she has said is that collective responsibility has been reasserted but I think as today's papers remind you there's a massive difference between you know people gonna in public toe the line but let it be known reservations you know that that is the question how aggressive is she prepared to be about policing that policy of collective responsibility and also I think if you look at this story on the front page of a Sunday Telegraph as her own MP say tour on Monday night all this isn't quite what we wanted we want this change of that change will she hold back and what happens when when Brussels comes back asking for more let me give you all an example not that long ago when Airbus and other companies were lobbying very aggressively Boris Johnson said to the Belgian ambassador F business and he didn't deny that was report he didn't say that he hadn't said it if he says that again he can't stay in this government can he I don't I don't see how he can act up given what she said and but I don't see how he can be that restrained because Boris is Boris he does say things behind closed doors and if there's a dictaphone on then that's it but it has to be curtains for him next time surely well also what about the the crate in the mail on Sunday which I won't repeat I mean it will action be taken on that but then I suppose so in a sense it's been discounted already can I move on to the next really big story in other weeks we will be obsessed by the Trump visit that's about to break on all of our heads and there's all sorts of stories about Trump and as I said there's fears that he is going to call on all British troop or also I keep saying British all American troops to be removed from Europe unless the EU signs up on all the NATO countries sign up to high defence spending so that's a very very dramatic threat it is a very traumatic trap and I think some of the European members of NATO have had this coming I mean obviously Donald Trump is taking this in his typical way to be empty Gris but this American frustration with Europe's refusal their refusal of most European countries to spend the 2% on defense has been there under Obama it was there under george w bush you know there is a real problem here which is that the americans say what has it why should we spend more money than you do to protect your ending wealthier countries yes it's got the Rhoden and i mean there isn't there I mean I think the Trump relationship with Germany is fascinating it is Germany but he is most cross / about this because since the 1980s Donald Trump has had this view but Germany is taking advantage of America that Germany is a rich country that has a trade surplus with the US but it's the u.s. that is paying to defend Germany yeah okay Cathy a lot of people up and down the country is starting to talk about a balloon that's going to be floating above the air when when above Westminster when Donald Trump arrives and it's basically Donald Trump as a great big orange baby it is some people think this is juvenile silly politics a way of insulting our closest ally and some people go yeah it's exactly what we should be doing there's a complete divide I mean you have Rod little in the Sunday Times saying this is a mass toddler tantrum by people who cannot bear to hear views that diverge from their own half-baked opinions and I mean he goes on their own it's an expensive Li choreographed display of virtue signaling by the perpetually outraged well-heeled and intellectually challenged liberal middle class so I mean that's classic rod little and then you've got Barbara Ellen in the observer who says it's childish pointless and absolutely brilliant and I think there's something that if you think about you know Americans love the sort of idea of British quirkiness I mean this is British quirkiness isn't it you can't get more quirky than that but I mean how much of it will Donald Trump see he's gonna have a sort of hermetically sealed visit he's not really going to come into contact with the protest but he suspect he will be watching it on TV and he's going to Scotland for longer than was expected with the happy and naive belief that in Scotland perhaps he's very very popular you may find that's not true no I think it'll be a first you protest in Scotland I remember this picture from last time somebody rubbing a balloon over is there going to other stories we must touch on we just heard in the news there's another drive to rescue these kids trapped in the tie cave it's an extraordinary nail-biting story yeah it's an it's it's a renders to think about to think about them being trapped there for over two weeks now and you see in the papers today the letters that they've written to their foot to their family as well talking about you know how I'm sorry we're here and it's cold and rain is coming and the rain is coming so you know the race is on to get them out but obviously these these kids don't even swim let alone dive so it's about getting them out safely and looks very treacherous oh I think I'm not usually a big fan of graphics in newspapers but these are really useful graphics because they show you just how hard and how horrible it's going to be to get them out they have to swim up a very very narrow tolerate gets tighter and tighter and tighter they go to a kind of cliff edge in the air and then they have to dive back down again so not only do you have to swim you have to be very very brave and very relaxed yeah and if they panic they're finished and it says hey the narrow section is just 15 inches wide the equivalent of three Mars bars laid into it it's it's lovely though isn't it the heartwarming thing about it is that you've got a long mask and you know people offering World Cup final tickets when they finally emerge let's hope I mean there is something that everybody sort of pulling together and descending on this tiny little location up the mountain that you know there is something heartwarming about what we hope will be a accessible all right you mentioned the words on to the inevitable who is watching the football yesterday yeah no great stuff it was an extraordinary game as somebody who doesn't understand all that you know delicate interspecies of football strategy and so forth he did seem to me it was great drama but both our game and also the Russia Croatia game and followed it where we had one guy this this extraordinary guy who's been who's only Russian by Presidential Decree of President Putin scores a fantastic header and then misses the crucial goal in in the penalty shootout I mean England Russia semi-final would obviously appear and all sorts of geopolitical overtones in the current daddy it's not going to happen I think more it's just astounding about this is how many people are watching and you do these wonderful pictures in the Sun that just show how deserted everywhere was there's 32 million people sat down to watch the football it really is one of those things when you can you can always feel the country England coming together and one final thought about about Gareth Southgate as a kind of new national icon a different kind of leadership than we're used to perhaps I think people are really enjoying seeing a kind of decent grounded on showing person in charge quietly getting on with the job and putting a team together without a certain showman it's it's a real team effort and I think people are really appreciating that and they seem like such nice guys you know I mean they're spirits the known football expert but I mean they're a team to emulate not sure thanks all very much indeed we were watching the football with the blinds down because it was so extraordinarily hot out there let's take a look at what's leading at the Sunday papers and guess what's all the front pages feature the England Football team as you'd expect but also a fair bit of politics there as well here's the observer it says that the reason means EU deal is coming under fire two directions business and brexit ears the Mail on Sunday it leads with Boris Johnson's colorful description of the checkers practice a deal now while the Sunday Telegraph has a warning from MPs that a bad brexit deal could cost the Tories power here's the Sunday Times it has an interview with the prime minister in which she says it's time for Brussels to get serious now the Sunday Express goes with the fetching waistcoat that describing it as happy and glorious and the son leads with simply yeess I think that's how you pronounce it we're joining me to discuss all of that the conservative London assembly member Sean Bailey and the writer and commentator my good fellow very good morning guys and thank you for dragging yourselves out of your bed after an historic England victory let's crack on we maybe talk about that in a little while but I'm clearly the big story of the weekend my about that that deal struck at checkers did look like we were going to get there this is the front of the observer yeah it didn't and I think actually Tereza mayor's managed to survive all of this so far to some extent but what we're seeing in the Observer today is there's these kind of two sides of this whole debate there's entrepreneurs and business people who are saying this doesn't look so great we don't think this is going to be particularly good deal and then you have these really arch Tory brexit ears who seem like they're going to be very very unhappy with us as well and I actually think it really remains to be seen what this is gonna look like we'll see the white paper later in the week but my concern really is how much of this is actually about keeping the Tory party party together and what is actually going to be best for Britain it doesn't really look like the Conservatives are carrying about that right now and I think also we should be really really careful of just focusing on brexit what we're also seeing in the observer is announcements that there's been big cuts to and programs on for instance tackling with smoke smoking and tackling poor diet so whilst the Tories are saying they're putting into the NHS actually what we're seeing is a reduction in spending on some of these key areas and the stuff Jeremy Corbyn was talking about about buses these are key domestic issues that are rumbling along whilst the Tories are really ignoring them to focus on their own civil war around breakfast it's very very concerning I think I mean I see you nodding there Xiaomi do you concede that at least to an extent what happened on Friday at checkers was about the Prime Minister shoring up her authority getting our more recalcitrant members of the cabinet into step with her I think what you've seen here is Teresa may try to keep the country together what's important about bred suit is leave or remain I think we're over it now we just wanted to end 400 or nursing but again but what's interesting about this story is what's not in where is Corbin on this Corbett has been very quiet about brexit because he had equal civil war going on his own party because what label will understand is although the proportion of the vote was was similar what was wildly different was the seat layout so we all talked about the prime ministers of pressure but so is Corbin many of these MPs could go missing if the deal isn't perceived as a good wing why do actually think is interesting about all of this is Teresa Mays talked very big talk on brexit and you know how we will be leaving the EU and actually we could argue to some extent she's following Labour's lead labour have actually been criticized a lot for their brexit position but actually it's been very clear for some months now the whole Labour leadership role in a completely different place between themselves I don't think they can argue that they've got a clear Briggs it deal on in their mind just in terms just in terms of this deal in the relationship between the cabinet and she's actually actually if you look at some of the people that have come out in support of this Michael golf has been doing the roans the head of all the douglas Carswell of all people it seems to be pretty sanguine about about all of this if you think back before they even announced that there would be a referendum you know people weren't talking about coming out of the single market in the customs union we were looking towards Switzerland and Norway is potentially models that we might follow in future so I mean this is closer to that then than the hard breaks at which some in your party won I've got to say to me for me Teresa may has done really quite well to survive up to this point this is another big test for the actual white paper which is important for the detailed loss of the PM herself if and when the PM gets past this I think she will be pass it and then we can concentrate on our domestic agenda which I do think is missing to a slight degree but in the background the party has done a lot of work on that if you look even if you look at the NHS to talk about them to extra money the detail we come on that as well I do think it's there but the nation is obsessed with Briggs it so we do need to get it dealt with I mean what do you make of the the way in which this will the way in which move you can have to use May's Authority in the aftermath of this my I mean ahead of that checker summit and I've lost kind of the number of times that have been reportedly threatened resignations but David Davis fell into line Boris Johnson called it a turd and then kind of fell into line Liam Fox has fallen into line I mean it I think it really remains to be seen and what will happen over the next week but I also think we need to remember that a lot of people in this country they are interested in breakfast they're also interested in what is going on their own communities their own access to health care their own bus services so Theresa made strength in those areas doesn't look so great actually because the domestic agenda is so poor so of course brexit does matter but most people are feeling the effects of very terrible Tory cuts they've happened over the past eight years in their Norteno so I think she looks very weak to make the political point but we hear a lot about Tory cuts but we do not ever talk about where they came from we had a Labour Party who utterly devastated our economy suggesting that they had to be talking about the black hole and I do I do want to move us on door and the story air in the times and and frankly this would be one that we will be following very closely and Sky News today those those poor twelve boys and their coach trapped in the caves and it appears that the operation to bring them out has now begun and we all keep our fingers crossed I mean this story is absolutely terrible or it could be great it's all about live resolution we get here just what people haven't been following is twelve boys from a football team in a coach they went on a walk when to a cave the cave filled water naina trapped had been there for nine ten days in for a long time the real scary part of this if you read deeply a trained retired Navy SEAL diver tried to get to them and he died on the way out it's a five-hour dive there's a British diver there that trying to help get these boys out of this cave what's really important to having to train the boys who are now weakened because they've been underground for so long to make this five-hour dive I I worry for them but I'm hopeful I I see that the Thai authorities are focused on this I see they have some expertise and I just hope and pray we can get them out mmm I mean I remember when I got the alert suggesting that they were still alive and and everyone's hopes obviously broadened at that point but it looks to be an incredibly difficult operation to actually get them out of there yeah and I think this is the problem is that there they've been exploring many different options about how to get them out and there isn't a clear direct route that is gonna be be safe so I think that actually there are a lot of problems with this it is very very hopeful we should be very hopeful that deficit all still alive and just hope that they can figure out a way bringing all this expertise from around the world actually what we're seeing is a collaborative global effort on this and led by the Thai authorities that should hopefully reach a positive resolution do you know that the one the one thing that I take some solace from is the fact that actually general core 12 young men who can't swim managing to survive for that length of time and still having the good spirit to write a note home to mom and say look I hope you're celebrating my birthday don't forget about it and please can I not have as much homework when I get out of here if they've got that kind of fortitude this could all win well I really hope so what if you read deep in you and you talk about their football coaches well respect his expertise monk he's written to the parents as hage really he's really sorry for causing this distress but her parents have written back and said please don't feel responsible and what I really like about this everybody's trying to help him focus on keeping those boys strong and ready for their really arduous task he's been meditating now though of them to get them in the right frame of mind to do this but I must stress this is still at best 50/50 the dive that they'll have to make is really hard if you're a trained diver for boys you can't fur trim this is going to be incredibly tough and I just pray that they can make it let's turn to the Sunday Mirror and I'm not doing this in being childish do you know what I sat with my friends yesterday watch the game I got caught up in it this is the meadow steak on it a New England and actually do you know what that that line there it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys Joe they said there's more than a grain of truth to that yeah and I've got to say I'm not really into football I'm not massively fast and I do think there is something it's something that Gareth Southgate has said himself that this is a team that represents modern Britain and all of its diversity they seem to have a very very good cohesive team and I think actually the fact that it's multiracial and that they've been really really holding their nerve at some of these quite tense matches is something that I think quite a lot of people can get behind and so I think that that's a positive to take from this I couldn't agree more I didn't realize how much I cared about football – I took a penalty shootout but what's really good Apple on Twitter tweeting – in front of people and people are talking about you know what a decent man Guerra said Southgate is how these team are acting as a team they're playing for each other gone are the days where we had Superstars and everybody had to support them they're playing as a team and what's really pleasing to me they didn't squeak through no penalties no gun bill they were better than the other team and I really like that and I know we're what we know that the closer they get to the finder the more excited we get but it doesn't matter if they win or not because they've conducted themselves really good it makes you proud to be British they played really well especially against Columbia there was a lot of jostling of pushing and they never reacted to it they really held up and I sat with my eight-year-old boy and I said look at the way they're behaving themselves on that pitch it makes you proud they're actually a group of guys that you wouldn't mind your son kind of looking up to are they and good luck England in the semifinals can't believe I've said that once again Sean and my love we see just have been with us this week Theresa May will hold yet another important meeting at checkers when she hosts Donald Trump during his first UK visit since becoming president he'll also visit the Queen at Windsor Castle in a visit that mainly keeps him away from London and the thousands of people who are expected to protest against his visit that reporter Greg Dawson has been finding it Donald Trump represents most of the things that are bad about Society hey guys you're shooting ourselves in the foot you may not like his style but he matters to us who's gonna pay the UK should be honored to welcome president Donald J Trump for this historic visit America first America first I'll be out protesting joining hundreds of thousands of people to reject the politics of bigotry and hatred this visit matters because the United States of America is our single most important ally and partner important partner or not in this southeast London community center they're preparing the props for the most hostile of receptions for the US president the anti-trump campaigners believe hundreds of thousands will show up in London later this week to oppose the visit in response we've had from people has been overwhelming that we're getting messages from people saying they're first-time protesters they've never wanted to be involved in activism before but this means so much to them permission has even been granted to fly a giant angry baby Trump balloon over Parliament Square amusing for some in poor taste for others drew Lichtman from Republicans overseas has come along for a sneak preview of what's in store for his president I think it's a bit embarrassing when you have the leader of the free world coming to help you know both countries and it's people who live in both countries better off if the special relationship is us not standing up to Donald Trump like Theresa May didn't if it's acquiescing and and normalizing is racism then that's not acceptable if it's accepting trade deals which will impoverished which people will attacker privatize an NHS then that's not the special relationship you know this protest seems to be more of Lefty rabble rousers out there just to get Trump well there you go just a small taste of the strength of feeling about this visit but amidst all the rouse about the protests it's easy to actually forget how important this meeting is for Theresa May a UK US Post brexit trade deal will be on the agenda but something the NATO summit earlier in the week will set the mood the bilateral meeting between Prime Minister made President Trump will be in the shadow of a big discussion about the future of the transatlantic alliance about security in Europe about how to handle Putin and the way in which this is going to be framed well I think be decided by the prior NATO meeting and so Christopher's key piece of advice fit a reason may stop calling it a special relationship if you get seduced by the notion of a special relationship you'll roll over like a puppy on spec and say blue please tickle my tummy and this is we cannot conduct Foreign Relations in that in that manner but there is one man who thinks he does have a special relationship with President Trump that was taken back with mark Nigel Farage says don't expect a photo of the pair this week because he wouldn't want to get in the prime ministers way it is important that some better relationship because let's be frank it isn't very good is established between the me government and the Trump government and I wouldn't want to do anything the god of the so you won't be meeting him if he asked to meet me I'll meet him but I won't be I won't be going out of my way to do anything that would embarrass him not being a golf course in Scotland I was for handicap ones you know but it's some time ago well my panel of political experts are still here with me to unpick what we might be able to expect from the Trump visit next week and start with you Don we were talking about the potential protests there how do you feel about the fact that there will be a lot of protest and that Trump probably won't see any of them I think I think I think it's very very good thing a lot of people I know don't normally go to a lot of protests who aren't less politically engaged as some of us nerds here are all going they're very excited to bringing their families I think the strength of feeling is very important I think it's very very important that we don't normalize Trump's presidency and even if Trump doesn't see them in person it's going to be absolutely impossible to escape the media coverage of it mostly most of media coverage will obviously not focus particularly on what Trump and may say because they won't say very much but it will focus on the huge numbers of people on the streets so I think that those optics are really really important is it I mean we heard some people in the film they're saying you know respect the office even if you don't respect the man and that it's not appropriate to behave like this when the president of the United well it will be if these people were also protesting where people like president of Turkey comes or was using ping of China and you didn't see that this sort of scale of protest against these people who who runs what when I effectively sort of pretty totalitarian regimes where you know he looked Donald Trump says horrible things about journalists but he doesn't actually lock them up and have them murdered for goodness sake not yet anyway I'm not a fan of donor time I wouldn't have voted for him but he was voted for by the majority in the United States and I think we should respect that Democratic decision whether we agree with it or not and people holding up a placard saying stop Trump what do you mean stop Trump he has a mandate to do a lot of the horrible things he he's a horrible man who said he'd do horrible things and he's doing them but he said he was going to do that and that is what a democracy is all about I think this is a lot of sort of lefty virtue signaling and whereas that got the left so far especially in America it seems to me that serves no purpose other than to just embarrass our country I'm all for people protesting carry on do what you need to but it's not going to achieve anything other than embarrassing treason most even well I think it's true that a protester me knife in the United Kingdom is not going to dislodge Trump however I think there are things and people rightly find distasteful about Donald Trump I think then actually has withered around it's a good example right they were both democratically elected but there are things about their rule than are uniquely troubling and then may cause the end of democracy in their respective countries I don't think the answer to why aren't you protesting other one as well as Trump is to say well don't protest Trump it's to say look if you're worried about Trump you should be worried about our won and you should also be worried about most people are not politically informed and then actually then they should be more angry and more worried about variety there should be worried about one frankly this estimate of a is still in post having lied to Parliament like these are all part of the same troubling global trend of our democratic norms and I think you know it is actually a really inspiring thing than people who aren't that political are going to go and march out against him well let's pick up on some of the substance of what's gonna happen when he's in Europe and as we've heard in the film M he'll be going to the NATO summit first and we know a lot of European members of NATO do not meet the commitment to spending 2 percent of their GDP on defense we do just although of course am a mo D is pressing very hard for more money m at the moment will Trump be pressuring the UK for more defense spending Julia as well as I would have thought so mean we meet the 2% target but only buy whiskey and buy including pensions and things though I think on a technicality would be but look we were look dealing with countries like Germany who don't even spend 1 percent of their GDP mean they've got they've got money for a fantastic health care and education system but not for defense their own country I mean I don't agree with Donald Trump on March but he's quite right there under the neato a NATO treaty these countries and yes Estonia Poland and the UK the only ones who who meet these targets should actually feel fulfilling their duties I don't see why we should rely on American taxpayers to fund the defensive Europe we should be funding that these countries are wealthy and can do so themselves he's got every right to say that America should pull out if these countries don't fulfill their duty and having done that he then appears in the UK we know he's meeting the Queen but also more importantly the Prime Minister what can the UK possibly expect out of this I mean there's talk of obviously a free trade deal once we've left the European Union they're not gonna sign that off right now but what what what could be a win for Teresa may out of it I think what what should happen in what dreams may should focus on is you know exactly that's looking at trade and obviously Britain have a huge aerospace industry and they're currently being hammered by trade tariffs in the u.s. so you know you have the the Bombardier factory in Belfast has almost closed down because of US trade tariffs that's happened even before we're going into brexit so Teresa may really really does need to look at a lot of the terrace on aerospace and other parts of British industry and manufacturing I don't think she actually will I think that you know if she can barely cope with her own cabinet so I really don't think she'll manage to strongarm Donald Trump who is you know a loose cannon and pretty unreliable anyway and how if what you're your prize is when you're trying to secure an excellent free trade deal with the u.s. after we've left the European Union to show the breaks it was worth it picking him up now on the tariffs that he's imposing on British and EU Goods isn't gonna be easy no it's very difficult I mean I think what it shows is regardless of how you feel about brexit setting whether or not we have a trade deal with the US a traditionally difficult negotiating partner in trade deals he's a lunacy and she should just abandon the idea then that is a first priority for the United Kingdom after brexit so what can you get out of it I think what you can get out of it is to be honest some photographs of her with with with the President of the United States right this is a man who is shown to be impervious to traditional diplomacy and the UK should probably scale back its it's a ambitions for this summit otherwise it will end up embarrass just as Maccarone was after he rolled out the red carpet and got nothing in return and anyway he's probably more interested in pictures of him playing golf at his Trump Turnberry course and advertising that than he necessarily is about the visits to and checkers or to know meeting the Queen that's that's the number one thing that this it's Donald Trump getting something out of this there's this is what he wants his meeting the Queen yes definitely and um obviously you know I think no matter what happens Trump will try and be impervious to any kind of political maneuver in any kind of political jives I think the protest will actually hurt him he's shown himself to be very very thin-skinned very very unhappy about criticism so I think you know exactly that macron went all in and got nothing out of it – Ruiz made nice – except she's weak all right well thank you all Julia Stephen Dunn thanks for coming in

ABSOLUTELY TERRIFYING! Andrew Neil Exposes Ken Clarke's Toxic Customs Union Proposal!

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MUST WATCH: This is absolutely terrifying. Andrew Neil exposes the toxic flaws in the Customs Union that Ken Clarke & our Remain Parliament are trying to foist on us.

Even more frightening is that Ken Clarke himself seems mighty unsure of what he is letting us in for!

This exchange raises the question as to whether our MPs actually understand the complexities and implications of what they are trying to ram through Parliament.

muscles are saying is that the Prime Minister either doing a deal with mr. Corbyn or taking the most popular indicative vote then has to go to Brussels and say look this is what we want now this is what the Commons as voted for our trying to buy may the 22nd and one of the options is the may deal with a customs union that's what you've been proposing in the Commons but tell me this what is in the current withdrawal agreement and political declaration that would stop a customs union oh I vote fill account with all our bases three times for it agreement is so vague there that it encompasses what I had what I really like you could actually get a customs arrangement to get regulatory alignment look remarkably like the present customs union of the president why are you adding our customs union of Commons to concentrate on a lowest common denominator for which I think that could be should be the majority the customs unions quite an important thing because it solves most of the Irish border problem some and it gets all the carmaker's start breathing again and in neighborhoo it with a bit of regulatory environment to keep dover open in the air if there's nothing to stop it as things stand serbian waited for something waves when there are two comments of their savvy way and who is the number two to Barney she's the details person done most of the work on that she says that this deal the deal was agreed with Britain requires a customs union as a basis of the future partnership it's there well I agree open borders you can't have reporters without a customs union and some degree of regulatory alignment I agree with her but the House of Commons went by that as the government's right except if you spell it out clearly what you mean that because of the economic advantages of a customs union free access the biggest international free market in the world biggest trading partner might buy a compromise no side the undermining my position by pointing out that actually I voted through alright but let me out he's yet there anyway we leave the EU but somehow we stay in the customs union at most that would give us a right to be consulted we would not be part of any trade negotiations well in practice we work because we're one of the biggest parts of a 500 million that market we're 65 million or one of the richer casually part of the trade negotiations unless you remember the usual have Consuela at the moment what happens is you would I be the time taken part in EU trade negotiator the British government in them yes if it that the Commission negotiate on a mandate as they ordered to by the government's if we're not strictly speaking a member they were still consulted a zombie we would not play a part in devising that mandate the eu-27 who devised the mandate and the Commission will do the negotiations they do not have to take account our interests legally formally you're correct yes I continue having been in trade negotiations there is a real world and in within the real world when we in the EU they take more nature to the British than anybody else because remember all our liberal economic reforms yes but they the idea that the British the French and the Germans will not have a considerable say because you have more bargaining clouds because it's those big markets that the other side of the table are trying to get a hold on under you you that's under your system you're the EU would negotiate trade deals on our behalf they may have consulted us but we would not be involved in the decision taking they would negotiate a trade deal same with the United States in which we would have to accept what they agreed on our behalf with the United States but we would not necessarily be allowed into America the Americans do not have to accept taking our goods in return your sounded like a member of the ERG it show duty to be pretty weak didn't know I survived I trust the facts 10 o'clock you know what you're describing are the formal legal facts of which room you're in what actually makes in trailer negotiations as they go on behind and there are all kinds of other contacts and we would still be one of the three major economies in the EU and in practice in Washington and in Brussels the British would be gone up first of all you're signing right you're sounded like a rather pedantic lawyer Robin you're the lawyer I'm just the journalist you can't do Cambridge Union tactics with me on this because you look just because you don't know the answer no because it's not and that's first of all throughout these negotiations throughout these negotiations the one thing the European Union has stuck to is the law a legal process that has been clear from the beginning and they've never deviated from that I put it to you again that under your arrangement the EU would negotiate on our behalf free trade deals over which we would not determine in the end and the third party that we were negotiating with would not have to accept because it means on the same basis oh it would differently if we offend the custom Union we're going to be but we're going to be a party to the agreement once you're the custom Union the free entry to our market is something the Americans are looking for they want to sell us hormones region beef I'll tell you what the problem is when you start dealing with the Americans understand the Americans would have access to our market the EU would negotiate that for the EU just not negotiate under your arrangement is our access to the American Somali that we would have the same we will be party that's not that's a higher voice with Jackie Jackie's take his position he's different from ours essentially when I as far as customs tariffs and therefore trade agreements are concerned what I'm proposing use material is now accept the formality would change strictly speaking when the final formal council meeting yourself to give the mandate to the negotiators and we want to do that we won't be there we have been there the day before in the talks and then there will be there the day afterwards and we'll be in contact with both sides will be the day after afterwards there is no guaranteed when I was involved with the TPP when you were in the EU then we had a say there is no example in which the EU has allowed a third party to be involved in trade negotiations you know as well as I had a situation like that it is very much a commission competence they protected us no they have a man that is they only deliver what they're authorized deliver us but what does he remember so once the mandates agreed over which we will have no veto and let me come on the other pun do you accept that the EU could negotiate free trade arrangements on our behalf and if we didn't like them under your system we would have no veto we've wouldn't have a veto you're quite right but actually the British market will be a very important component of what everybody is talking about and it is absurd to believe that they would all follow the formality have some lawyer sitting there saying you can't consult the British about this the British will be asked to make some company those in Brussels from without lawyers no it's not the circus leave you an instructor how about you tell you is I leg for the government in a British government in the EU trade negotiations it is a new tries that would not be a full member will you get involved for talking about things but you're really concerned with business trade all right and lawyers are meant to solve problems not turn that Libre canta for they'll come to you what do you make of tech class sensors well we had dr. Fox the international trade secretary in front of us at the 1922 committee yesterday and he outlined some of the deficiencies with the customs union for the United Kingdom so of course I don't want to be in the customs union because it will prevent us from having our own independent trade policy but this is this will happen and Ken's idea will take root and we will be in the full-blown customs union with the European Union you

Brexit Crisis deepens as Lords debate Cooper Bill to prevent UK crashing out on no deal

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Oh Dan you are an incorrigible delinquents at times babe yourself man the German Chancellor Angela Merkel has arrived in Dublin for talks with the Irish Prime Minister by the brexit deadlock it comes just days after Leo vodka held discussions with his french count about Emmanuel macron in Paris after the meeting today mr. verochka described the German Chancellor as a strong ally of Island our island correspondent M Avadi reports through Islands green fields a key EU leader arrives Angela Merkel's visit comes amid warnings the possibility of the UK leaving without any deal has increased and there's growing speculation over where the island could be asked to budge we will do everything in order to prevent a no deal brexit Britain crashing out of the European Union but we have to do this together with the United Kingdom officials have been keen to portray this visit as a show of support not a sign that Island is under pressure but Germany and other EU countries too will want concrete answers soon over how the Irish border the –use new frontier is going to work food producers are looking at what's on the brexit horizon for the goods they sell this week UK potato firms were told they could no longer export to the EU if there's no deal new EU approval would be needed once we're outside the club sleepless nights wondering what are we going to do contingency plans with some one place but potentially what could happen is we would have to downsize and the business border communities have been gathering in recent days to mark their growing frustration and fear Ireland hasn't revealed how checks will be carried out while keeping an open border the foundation of this islands relatively recent peace I vividly remember hardens Lake and the say as a young fella we would have spent most of our Sunday's filling in these roads that ain't talking about the road will be blown up these people have genuine fears about this border reappearing again so would a customs union with the EU help solve the problem it would remove the need for checks to ensure Goods coming into Ireland had all their duties paid but products would still have to be examined to make sure they meet EU rules and a customs union could mean the UK is restricted from striking new trade deals of its own thousands of potatoes from the UK are sent to Ireland every week I think we're all just worn out because it's just it's the chopping change and nobody has a clue without a deal that Hugh has warned potatoes are just one of a number of British exports that could be disrupted overnight Emma Vardy BBC News Dublin and here a second day of talks between teams from the government and the Labour Party have come to an end with plans for more discussions tomorrow our political editor Laura Coons Berg is in Westminster for us so Laura a third day of talks what are we to make of that don't think these talks have yet got the answer to some of those anxieties we were just hearing there from Northern Ireland people with genuine concerns about what's gonna happen to them and their livelihoods and their families in the next few weeks or so but from both sides there is a sense that these talks were constructive they were very amicable but also they were serious and that both sides are getting into the guts of both of their different versions of brexit it's also not the case that both sides don't have anything in common you know sometimes privately people in both parties will admit that actually there are quite a lot of similarities with the kind of outcomes that they want to achieve certainly different emphases but they are not as far apart as all the screaming and shouting in Parliament would sometimes suggest but that said I think it's too early to say that Teresa mace demon jeremy corbyn's team are on the verge of some kind of breakthrough at this point the clock is ticking down very very hard now both sides are taking this extremely seriously this isn't just some kind of political stunt but we're not yet at the point where they're suddenly about to come out of the cabinet offices grand building on Whitehall and say here a British public we found the way through Laura thank you very much a water leak brought the House of Commons to an early close this afternoon but at the other end of Parliament the House of Lords is set to sit far into the night as pro brexit peers attempt to hold up progress on a bill that would force the government to delay brexit a cross-party group of backbench MP s got the bills through the Commons by just one vote yesterday after less than five hours of debate on Whitehall government ministers labour front benches held four and a half hours of brexit talks today with more in the diary for tomorrow our political editor Gary Gibbon reports in theory this is the image not far around the corner the two main party leaders shake on a brexit deal and leave their MPs to back it but both know their positions are at stake here their leadership's can be destroyed if they're thought to have sold out the prime ministers under vitriolic attack from any Tory MPs for allowing Jeremy Corbyn to get his hands anywhere near the levers of power on brexit and the position is so precarious that you can barely articulate hook and policy because what she needs to do next week in the European Council summit in Brussels is ask for a long extension a further delay to brexit albeit with the possibility of an early opt out if her deal gets through Parliament in the next few weeks and neither she nor many of her ministers feel able to actually say that in public come on in dr. Fox so we're looking at a long extension to a 50 a long extension to article 50 shadow ministers spent a chunk of the afternoon in talks with the Deputy Prime Minister I think Labour's alternative plan jeremy corbyn's chief aid showing us Milne attended to mr corbyn's most passionate supporters are amongst those warning that these talks are a trap and that agreeing to any deal would be a betrayal any any brexit is really a Tory brexit an especially one which you are co-signing with a Tory Prime Minister I mean no one is gonna buy this we're in Ramsay MacDonald territory you know we really are you you you cannot walk away from those negotiations with anything less than a complimentary public votes on whatever is tempers were strained by brexit in the House of Lords this afternoon this language the Lord's equivalent of step outside people think what did the noble Lord say some MPs were watching the progress of the bill the Commons passed by one vote last night compelling the government to ask the EU for a long delay to Brick's it pro brexit peers filibustered 13 votes so far that try to frustrate that one veteran diplomat thinks it's not a done deal that the EU will offer a long extension at all I think again the British political elite is persuading itself that it's a foregone conclusion that they'll get a lengthy extension if they demand it that's not the picture as I see it I think there are real qualms about a lengthy extension in the absence of real clarity the British political elite as to where this could now go bizarrely one anti brexit labor back-bencher got 30 minutes the Prime Minister's time this afternoon having asked for it at question time so there's a Dear Colleague letter and I quoted in the chamber to her holding it up it says here you'll meet anyone when's my turn and that was today so I mean I was trying to ask which red lines now have shifted and would she be prepared to budge on a customs union both of those two I feel I'm somewhat none the wiser honor I think there's probably some kind of symbol about how many people view broke heart broken Parliament is gone the Commons had to suspend it sitting this afternoon when a leaking pipe in the roof gushed water onto the press gallery so the sitting is no suspended and old photographs please that rules seem to count for less round here right now photos as plumbing like everything else falls apart Angela Merkel has promised to stand with Island every step of the way vowing to do everything she can to prevent a No Deal brexit speaking after a meeting in Dublin with the Irish Prime Minister Lee over attica she said she still hoped for an orderly brexit our business editor Sean Kennedy has spent the day talking to companies in Ireland the EU nation which would be hardest hit if the UK fails to reach agreement with Brussels the German Chancellor rolling through the green of Dublin on her first official visit since the brexit saga began but she hasn't come for tea these are crisis talks as no deal delays and mounting desperation fills the Irish air first Emmanuel macron on Tuesday and today the German Chancellor Angela Merkel arriving here behind me these the two key EU heads of state that Leo vodka is relying upon to stand shoulder to shoulder with Island that's what he wants but mrs. Merkel has also come here to hear how the t-shirt will handle a potentially chaotic no deal along the Irish border I wanted to demonstrate with my visit then even if you now head into a crucial phase when Britain is leaving the European Union we want to Jr to stand together as 27 next Wednesday we shall have a European Council meeting and we will see by then what the British Prime Minister will tell us I can only say that as I said we're following this with great interest and we hope that this will open up new possibilities of an orderly brexit of an orderly exit of Britain a few miles from that border at this whiskey distiller there's something in the air the prospect of a No Deal has been brewing for months despite endless talks and yet another vote for a delay in Westminster last night the pressure is rising they brew 10 million litres of the hard stuff every year just under half of it exported most to America but unlike whiskey brexit hasn't improved with age Allen Martin is the manager at this old Guiness site which now makes over 80 different brands of whiskey can I Drive it he welcomes Angela Merkel's visit today but those Irish eyes aren't 100% convinced are you worried if they can't reach a deal the island will be hung out to dry well let's just think possibility I suppose if no deal happens well there's gonna have to be a bottle which would be disaster really in terms of in terms of everything like nobody wants to see a border never again that's what mrs. Merkel believes to that maintaining peace is paramount mr. Martin says the consequences of not doing so are unthinkable if you start talking to the border border lanes and things like that that is a very dangerous ticking time bomb if you have a Acosta's lands standing on the border you have to have somebody to protect the cost of land these things don't take long to escalate you know and nobody in the right mind would want to undergo near that again along the border remnants of checkpoints still stand a stark reminder of the way life used to be the Irish Prime Minister is determined he won't go back there but as so far failed to reassure Europe of his plans if there's a No Deal near Dundalk on the border in the south where once there was farmland now freight is the big business nearly half these trucks constantly crisscross the border between island in the north and they're worried about the lack of planning for No Deal and we have air customers who are originally manufacturing in Northern Ireland and they've set up their manufacturing facilities in the south and it's to be Briggs's ready Seamus McGinty says without a border plan his trucks could come to a standstill you know it's all gonna be delays there's gotta be customs checks there's going to be and you know you know there's gonna be cost that's a we have to factor in who's going to take those costs ultimately it's going to be the consumer are we ready first have we all the infrastructure in place how we our customs post an order no we don't because even when we looked at her own government there's a lack of clarity of what needs to be done well mr. Perotti was asked just now at a press conference exactly what his plan for a No Deal was I have to say there was very little detail really around this crucial issue of the Irish 40 you heard about there in my package from that businessman mr. Barajas simply said it's not possible quite frankly to have a clear plan let's hear from him now you like the event that we end up in a no deal scenario whatever challenges we face whether it's protecting the Good Friday Agreement or maintaining the integrity of the common market we'll approach those as shared challenges there won't be anyone trying to enforce anything on anyone else it's going to be very much a shared challenge and the European challenge and one that were relative well he called today for the EU leaders to have patience that's what he called for let's be patience you get the sense that mr. Veronica wants to give the UK an extension certainly angular Merkel also said in the press conference there where there's a will there's a way but she would not be drawn on whether or not the EU would grant the UK another delay she simply said I can't answer speculative questions but there was very much in general a collaborative tone from these two EU leaders today they clearly do not want a hard deal a no deal a hard brexit they want to give the UK enough time to come up with an agreement by this crucial council meeting next week but they did both reiterate that if there was no deal if there was a hard brexit then that would be a challenge but they said it was a challenge that they were up to that Siobhan Kennedy there in Dublin now joining us from that city is the Irish senator Neil Richmond from the governing FINA Gael Party senator Richmond you probably heard sir Ivan Rodgers tell us a little earlier that the likelihood of a long extension he's actually very far from a given well absolutely what we expect on Wednesday is the prime minister to come to Brussels with a coherent plan a coherent request for an extension but for good reason we saw on Tuesday when President Makran met the tea shock in Paris he said we can't consider a long extension but it would require of course the UK to participate in the European elections on May 22nd to 25th but it also requires something meaningful is there a real plan to negotiator a full customs union is there a plan for a British general election is there a plan for another referendum nothing can be take for a given of all 27 Arland is the most favorable towards an extension short or long but we have to convince our 26 other EU colleagues and they have to be convinced by Prime the Prime Minister and that's why we want to give their Prime Minister and the leader the opposition as much time and as much space to present something that Westminster can back we know at Westminster don't want we now need to know what Westminster do want cognizant of what we in the EU side can accept and cognizant of their responsibilities to rights of the British and Irish citizens in Northern Ireland you mentioned your fellow 26 nations who might conceivably refuse anyway well absolutely the the rule is that if the UK requests a further extension it has to be a unanimous decision of all EU 27 member states therefore it's not a given however we in Ireland are very keen to see that work through and we will continue to be the UK's best friend within the EU to try and deliver that but I can't stress we really need to see from Westminster and from the British government a coherent plan emerged over the weekend and into that volatile European Council meeting on Wednesday well now if there is a No Deal there would have to be an Irish border and it would fall to you to have to put it up because all the member states are responsible for the borders on their own territory are you really prepared for that well of all the eu27 when it comes to brags a preparedness when it comes to any form of regs of preparedness the commissioners rang to Ireland as the most prepared and we put the infrastructure in for east-west customs however when it comes to the border it's too simplistic to say there has to be a border and it's too simplistic to say that it falls to the Irish government the Irish government has responsibilities both to the single market and indeed to the Good Friday Agreement but equally the British government as a co-current guarantor of that Good Friday Agreement and potentially a nation in the world trading under simple WTO terms also has a responsibility and we saw in the political declaration in December 17 the decision by the EU and the UK to maintain that open border runs come up with a formula to do that through the withdrawal agreement through the Box up no member state has ever left the EU before and certainly not a member state whose sole land frontier with the EU post departure is one governed by an international peace treaty lodged with the United Nations of course the British are also it he said thinking about pushing it into the parish see about well what we have what we've always said is we want to make sure that there's no border on the island of Ireland no hardening of a border but we don't want to see a hardening of the border than the IRC there's already and changes and investments between Northern Ireland and Great Britain but we don't want to see them strengthened any much way in any other further deal however within the backstop within the withdrawal agreement we can see that the hard physical checks will largely be removed through a customs trade and regulatory alignment but the EU and the UK are are desperate to achieve but that can only be achieved in a future political forum post the withdrawal agreement in a No Deal scenario it's a little bit risky to start undermining talking about hypothetical and undermining the ratification processes at hand but we are very keen to make sure that there's no hardening the border but if the UK choose to crash eight of the EU both the Irish and British governments start to lose control of the maintenance of that seamless border we can't allow that to her own I'm I'm I'm happy to see Westminster voting against a No Deal scenario but simply voting for something isn't good enough very plan very briefly Council on Wednesday very briefly this is why I'm really concerned but we watch it as acutely as you do and I money do you see any grounds for compromise do you see any sign of it we've had over over two-and-a-half years of constant compromise but produced to withdrawal agreement and the backs up if you look at the indicative votes that have gone through Westminster they all relate to the future political framework we in the European side said there's lots of room there for further discussion for further negotiation that document only stands at 29 pages plus six of appendices but in order to get to that place we need to see the withdrawal agreement and the backs up passed by Westminster as soon as possible senator thank you very much indeed for joining us senator thank you now I think we can probably all agree we are in the middle of the deepest political crisis most of us can remember our political leaders are struggling and by and large failing to find a way through brexit with time running out and yet I think it is fair to say that in both the Commons and the Lord's time hasn't exactly appeared to be of the essence today in the Commons business was suspended because of a leaking water pipe yes really who knew there were no plumbers in the whole of London in the laws there has been less accident and more design as you can see here by taking things slowly ever so slowly Pro brexit peers are tonight applying the brakes to the bill that mp's rushed through yesterday which aims to stop and no deal brexit happening next Friday it is otherwise known as filibustering the delays could mean misses May will have nothing new to put to European leaders next Wednesday her negotiating team though is at least still talking to jeremy corbyn's about brexit but their meeting was described as nothing more than struck t'v as Labour's team arrived for negotiations to find a brexit breakthrough they insist another referendum to confirm any deal would be on the table we have been discussing Labour's offensive plan and issues such as complimentary votes we have discussions yesterday we're going to continue them today you'll be looking for a confirmation vote in all circumstances cussing our plan and we'll discuss in a complimentary vote for voting on the discussion yesterday the government negotiating team is led by brexit secretary Stephen Barclay and David lidding ttan mrs. maize effective deputy Labor's team is led by Kerstin mer and the shadow business secretary Rebecca long Bailey they discussed the possibility of a referendum to confirm any deal a possible customs union and the approach to EU regulations separately one Labour MP met the Prime Minister today to ask where she might compromise on customs union she kept saying it depends what the end result is so if it's a customs partnership or arrangement it could have the same benefits that sounds quite positive like she's quite worn towards the idea potentially yeah I mean it sounds a bit like her deal maybe coming back is what I thought but on second referendum she seemed pretty implacably opposed to that one but with simmering divisions and all those subjects threatening to boil over in both parties there's a strong chance this will still have to be decided in Parliament I want to see how this pans out next week if we can't agree a deal with Jeremy Corbyn it may be that we move to alternative votes but just listen to what happened in the Commons today a water leak in the chamber meant today sitting had to end early somebody might say there's a leak in Parliament so the sitting is now suspended and old photographs please if the cross party talks now failed that water leak means MPs can't meet until Tuesday to vote on different brexit options the day before mrs. may flies to Brussels so in case it all goes wrong the Lord's down there are hurrying through legislation to try and force her to delay brexit but probe wrecks at Lord's don't like being rushed into it all that lies between us and Tory me is that we respect the conventions of both houses they tried to slow down the process in order to kill it off infuriating of the law we have a shambolic government that has completely lost control of the most important issue this nation has faced for many decades the commons has had to take control back in Whitehall talks between labor and the government broke up after four and a half hours with an agreement to meet again tomorrow the government team then reporting back to the prime minister Downing Street believes she has up until Tuesday to tell the EU what her plan is that's if her ministers have managed to find one by then called in a news at ten' Westminster well anxiety in Europe about the UK leaving next week without a deal was reflected by both the –use most powerful voice Germany's Angela Merkel and its most worried Ireland's Leo farad care the two met in Dublin today mrs. Merkel said she will do whatever she can to prevent it where there is a will there is a way she said Chancellor Angela Merkel was last welcome to Ireland five years ago but with the prospect of a No Deal brexit next week it was time for a return visit mrs. Merkel came to show solidarity both she and the Irish Prime Minister Lee / Anka want Britain to leave with a deal we want to stand together as 2790 at the very last hour I can say this for the German side we will do everything in order to prevent a no deal rexford Britain crashing out of the European Union but we have to do this together with Britain and with their position that they will present to us the political uncertainty in the UK is contagious liova Radtke forced to admit he doesn't have a clear plan for the border with Northern Ireland in the event of a no deal where the UK crashes out without an agreement it's not possible quite frankly to have a clear plan because there are so many different contingencies and hypotheticals Angela Merkel met people from both sides of the border she told them her own experience of living in East Germany behind the Berlin Wall allowed her to appreciate their wish to avoid a hard border I asked those who'd met mrs. Merkel what they told her one of the things that I would like to see as for people should step up to come out of this really sort of politicized and M toxic situations and take time and stuff to actually come up with a viable plan because in my opinion people voted on an idea and not a plan in 2016 talk of no plan and no deal is not helping the delicate political situation in Northern Ireland at the full Irish Cafe in Newry breakfast is on the menu and brexit is on people's minds and one of the million fears is back to conflict and this is a were all people my age and older you know of all we've all been there we've lost family members but in degree of the arts was buried and nobody wants to go back to that today's talks in Dublin only underlining why EU leaders want to avoid no deal Angela Merkel and Leo Vodka are likely to agree to any extension if the UK can come up with a plan Angus Walker News at Ten Dublin and Robert is of course here to wind all this up the man who never sleeps like the Lord's tonight it may well be listen as I said I would I went home and put my feet on watch your show last night which I very much enjoy very interesting to see the Chancellor kind of talking quite so openly about referendum is that the direction of travel do you think yes I think to an extent he weighs his words very carefully the Chancellor talked about two things which shocked his own party one a very long brexit delay secondly a possibility of a confirmatory referendum talks between labour and the Tories on a compromise to break the brexit deadlock which I think you and I have been a bit cynical about actually I think may yield something don't you know source is very close to those negotiations they think that the two sides are close to an agreement and it would involve commitment by the government to keep the UK and a customs union so called Dyne hammock alignment with EU rules that means permanently following European Union regulations on workers rights and the environment and importantly in view of what the Chancellor said to me last night that MPs would have a chance to vote for a referendum on whatever deal is ultimately passed by Parliament a so called complimentary referendum now as one very senior member of the government said to me this looks to them as the best chance the promise has ever had they were actually getting her deal through but you know as you know it relies on the Prime Minister being prepared for weeks of criticism from our own MPs many of whom will the brexit errs hate this back package the risk of people Tory MPs resigning from the party where some ministers resigning it's a lot for the prime minister to bear similarly if this offer of a referendum is not seen by jeremy corbyn's MP colleagues there's not really real enough he'll face resignation so there are huge stakes for both the Prime Minister and Jeremy Corbyn but we are on the verge potentially of something really quite important okay let's see thank you very much indeed we are scheduled to leave the European Union in just eight days time to resume heads to Brussels on Wednesday next week and pressure for a cross-party compromise to emerge before then is intense but at the moment after another day of talks there's no plan no one that we know about anyway and the Labour conservative talks will simply fire up again tomorrow nor do we know how the eu-27 will react to the probable request for a long delay at the moment there's no indication the Prime Minister has rubbed out her red lines and we don't know whether Jeremy Corbyn will insist on a confirmatory referendum something that is splitting his own party we will explore all of that tonight but first our political editor Nick watt is here Nick there are more developments tonight you find out yes it's expected in the next few minutes that bill that would allow Parliament to force the prime minister to set a new extension in new line four the article 50 process it's expected that will complete its first major hurdle in the House of Lords and then under a deal tonight it's being agreed that that bill will go back to the House of Commons no later than 8:00 p.m. on Monday night and if MPs agree to it and it is a big F but if because the numbers are very tight then it would receive Royal Assent on Monday night and then again on Monday night the Prime Minister would lay a motion that would set a new date to extend the article 50 process until now there's a big concession from supporters of this bill they're saying that the Prime Minister will have a free hand at the European Council to potentially set a new date if the EU says it's got to be a different date but that could not be any earlier than the date set by Parliament Wow well what happened today in the talks well both sides are saying that they were very serious but labour a bit of skepticism they've said that the government seemed to be basically selling their deal brexit err Tories think there's going to be a deal on Tuesday and it's going to look like membership of the customs union so uncertainty really and frustration as I found out today at Westminster tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow creeps in this petty pace from day to day time rolls by and often it appears that nothing much has changed one deadline gone and perhaps another will pass again soon unless cross party talks succeed where I've been discussing global alternative plan Theresa May is involved in a race against time to pass a deal any deal even ahead of next week's GU summit failure to reach a consensus or at least to show that a cross-party process is underway could leave the government facing two unpalatable choices a departure with no deal or a long delay to brexit some ministers believe that if the chips were down Theresa May would reluctantly accept a long extension prompting UK involvement in elections to the European Parliament there are deep concerns it should be clear to all members of this house that asking the public to hold elections for an organisation we are meant to have left would damage trust in politics however there is no guarantee the UK would not participate in European parliamentary elections if the house refuses to support a deal one brexit ear is urging his friends to accept the Prime Minister's deal to avoid a backlash at the polls of course we will have the brexit party rearing up like a phoenix because the British people will want a very to send a very strong message that those seventeen point four million people who voted for Beck said they will be voting for a party which is sending a message that they want to pull out of the European Union so the stakes are very very high and wouldn't it be ironic if the most Euroskeptic caucus within the conservative parliamentary party which I'm a member of is ultimately responsible for negating brexit some in the EU are wary of another extension others would be more amenable but might impose restrictions on the UK in budget and trade negotiations Parliament's most prominent pro-european is unamused Sansa say that we've driven them so around the wall that they're getting rather paranoid that we will sit there obstructing everything in fact we would have to be just as constructive as rude otherwise try to be on budget negotiations and the rest of it if I if I highly you know getting me taking part in the negotiations on the extension I would slightly groan and say please don't complicate it we obviously need the status quo to continue until and unless we've all agreed on what is the permanent lasting way in which we're going to leave the political institutions of the Union one Labour MP lobbied the Prime Minister Roopa Huck you've been meeting the Prime Minister is it harmony across the political divide it was not an unpleasant meeting and it was certainly better than when you faced her across the testee Commons and you're shouting to be heard and everyone's roaring um so yeah it was an unusual way to spend a Thursday afternoon um if I'm hugely the wiser as Parliament wound down for the weekend the brexit process ground on a potentially defining week beckons well as we said the Commons was rained off by a massive leak but the Lord's are having their moment in the Sun as tonight the brexit territories made a last stand against the Commons bill that's squeaked home by one vote last night ruling out leaving the EU with no deal two former cabinet ministers now Tory Lords are with us brexit Eeyore an advocate of leaving without a deal Peter Lilly and the remaining Lord David Willetts who has long supported a second referendum they're both here in the studio good evening to you we're just hearing from the BBC's europe-asia Katia Adler that the president of the European Council Donald Tusk has said that he will offer a flexible extension by which I presume he's got a long extension of necessary as soon as Parliament passes the deal they can so you're fighting the battle Peter the Libet you've lost the war I'm not sure quite why you think that because I think there is going to be a sufficient extension in order to get it as a proposal that's been put by Donald Tusk you can't losing the wars having this deal passed I mean I've been actually persuading my colleagues in the RG they ought to vote for this terrible deal because you don't want an extension I don't want to exclude only point of extension is to play the whole thing into a long grass because ultimately they want to dilute it further or ideally to destroy brexit or entirely so that people just get tired exhausted fed up and believe it's impossible and either they have a second referendum with a rigged vote with no choice of leaving properly or somehow we revoke or something like that or as a change of government no longer committed to implementing so all these attempts for a long extension are attempts to defeat brexit well I think the reason why we need to have a long extension is it's clear that the Prime Minister's deal is not getting through the House of Commons Parliament isn't supporting it and it's been brexit ears as well as remainders in fact particularly brexit ears have been stopping it so if there is a long pause if we do have much longer it is an opportunity to take some step back and say what do we really want our future relationship with European Union to be like that can't be a better way forward than just the Prime Minister endless want to be absolute clear by that see David Willis you would have no qualms if the vote had gone the other way and it was 48% leave 52 remain and a brexit EO Parliament decided that they were going to disregard the vote there would be no rate well I don't think the government has been disregarding the way what's happened is I think whatever one may think of the Prime Minister's particular negotiation is absolutely clear she was determined to try to deliver breaks it so we've had a prime minister who that was has been her overwhelming objective for two years and she's not been able to do it and she's not been able to do it because there are so many different forms of brexit and the brics teas can't even agree among themselves about which form they would we say that a customs union is not brexit that's true but I just wanted to correct David on the arithmetic if I most ardent breaks tears came reluctantly around and voted for the premises deal if they all had it would still have been defeated by all the remain parties in Parliament plus a certain number of remaining Tories who voted against it for tactical reasons so please let's not have it that it was defeated by brexit ears the other group being DUP for their own and honourable reasons but we're in a situation now you might say that because she hasn't been able to get a deal through then she's reaching out from party to country via Jeremy Corbyn is that better not for the country to have that what she had a majority in parliament for the Brady amendment and the Malthouse compromise she never even put that to the EU maybe she wouldn't have got it but she would have got it of course if she'd be prepared to threaten to leave on WTO too because that is two and a half times as costly to the EU as it is to us but the trouble is these alternative arrangements in the Brady amendment the government looks that they can't find something that actually works so I think if there is to be a long delay it is an opportunity for us to try to see what forms of brexit are on offer and then whatever form of brexit commands support in the comments if the research of all at that point put it to the people so as far as you're concerned Jeremy Corbyn he is saying now that he has this confirmation referendum in his pocket to put on the table he's putting on the table you feel there has to be a confirmation referendum now my view is after three years when we've all learned so much about brexit and we've all been on such a long journey it is right now that if there were ever a properly viable legal model for brexit that should then be put to the peoples for a complimentary vote yes six time you being that the exact form of the electorate would be for decision but I certainly think that this would be considered very different from last time because instead of brexit being some idea in which everyone could pin their hopes of a better britain suddenly there would be an actual legal proposal that was a real proposition that people could assess against English we know that the bill was passed tonight in West Minister Peter Lilly if the confirmatory vote was overwhelmingly for brexit surely that would be a validation as I understand it the people who talk about a confirmatory I think want to give you a choice between brexit in name only or no brexit remain they're not going to give a choice for what is now according to the opinion polls the most popular option which is leaving on WTO terms and then negotiating if we can if they'll have it a free trade deal if not trading as we trade with America China Japan remember there is no deal agreed even if we leave on the Prime Minister's terms it is a No Deal thing because it doesn't contain a long term trade deal thank you both very much indeed the schisms within labor over breaks are now coming into sharp relief to today 25 Labour MPs warned Jeremy Corbyn in a letter not to support a second referendum because it will break the trust of the voters and lessen the chances of labour winning an election but they urge him to go the extra step with resume to secure a deal here is James Clayton it's a party that's leadership is at odds with the membership and Peter voted against the whip on brexit and it's a party that has two factions that seem irreconcilably opposed welcome to today's Labour Party we can safely say that the Shadow Cabinet isn't United on brexit at the moment we know that Labour membership you know they're overwhelmingly in favor of another referendum and Jeremy Corbyn simply has never liked the idea for a long time jeremy corbyn's critics have accused him of having one policy that speaks to two wings of the party on the one hand he's accepted brexit and on the other he hasn't ruled out another referendum now that's fine to have in opposition but now that Theresa May has given him at least some power he needs to make a decision that decision is made difficult by the referendum result itself take the revoke article 50 petition Labour dominated their constituencies with the most signatures it's also dominated the areas with the fewest and that divide goes right to the heart of the Shadow Cabinet – people like Angela Raina and Ian Lavery are vehemently against a second referendum Tom Watson and Emily Thornbury think it's the way forward I think in the end Jeremy Corbyn is gonna have to let someone down I mean there is a big risk of frontbench resignations for the Labour Party whatever he chooses here because there will be people who are just unable to go out there and back another referendum labour has put forward a negotiating team which reflects both wings of their party Kirsten and advocates for a conformist revote Rebecca long Bailey who's far more skeptical neither this evening would be drawn on the state of the negotiations at some point though labor is going to have to make a choice James Clayton were one of the signatories of that letter to Jeremy Corbyn today was the shadow employment minister Mike Amesbury a little earlier I spoke to him and asked him what his message to Jeremy Corbyn wasn't a second referendum and why he feared any move to a couple a compromise deal with a comprar Tory vote are basically some of the details I've seen coming out in the region that maybe one of the the options is a real fear that it will be will be coupled with with the deal so it's almost the kind of you know when they it was either either that way or no way I think a referendum itself you'd have to test the questions that would be you know I think last time rounds around ten weeks you're probably looking at around the 22 week process to to organize a referendum and probably a little bit more with the campaign itself I think people are really really fatigued now well the neighbor MP Siobhan McDonough is one of those who supports a confirmation referendum on any breaks deal she see a good evening to you hi first of all what do you say to the young women in the film there that said you know if there's going to be a confirmation referendum it'll split the front bench and people will leave I have no idea whether people will leave the shadow cabinet but what I can say it is currently Labour Party policy to have a people's vote and also I absolutely assure you that nearly every Labour Party member that is exactly what they want in that letter the second referendum will be exploited by the far-right damage the trust of many core voters and reduce our chances of winning a general election well I would disagree with that I think that we all know so much more about brexit than we did when we had the referendum in 2006 Dean and anybody who's seen Parliament over the last few weeks and months must know we can't come to any decision we're in deadlock it started with the people so she'll go back to the P but John man who you know a liberal he said you know labour is on the verge of saying that to the working class your opinion does not matter and your vote does not count well I liked your man but I disagree with him on that I mean I voted to trigger article 50 and I have to tell you had I known what I know now I would never have done that so I think we need to go back to the people saying this is the deal is it what you want is it does it live up to the expectations you had a brexit and give people the opportunity to make their case I mean we don't ever say in cases of general elections right you've made your decision you've stuck with the Tories or you've stuck with Labour forever well as I said to David Willetts if the vote had gone the other way and it was 48% remained 52 period 40% leave 52% remain and the same sort of thing happened with the breaks dear government you'd be up in arms but it's hard to imagine though it's possible that we could have voted remain and we'd be in this constant state of complete obsession about brexit doing nothing about crime or knife crime or housing or social care all the things that the people in my constituency really care about but surely that's the point that we shouldn't delay that any further but the idea that somehow we agree a withdrawal agreement and it's over I'm really sorry I think it's selling a pup we're in this discussion for years but do you really think that Jeremy Corbyn has had a demoscene conversion to the idea of a second referendum of people's vote a confirmatory referendum I mean do you really trust him to deliver on that in a deal well I think he must be aware of just how strongly like party members feel about a people's vote and he knows that and he knows how strongly the parliamentary Labour Party feel if he doesn't what would you do would you move to what his TIG now and is going to be changed UK if he didn't push a car me vote in that deal you didn't and you didn't get one is it a red line would you leave the party I would do everything I could to encourage my members and Mitchum and Morden and other leh party members to explain exactly how they feel there is going to be outraged if we don't get a second vote so what would you do I would I would I would make my voice felt would it be the thing that made me leave the party I don't think so there are other issues for me but would it make some of my colleagues in the parliamentary Labour Party yes a number of said to me that they that would be the moment that they would leave she want Madonna thank you very much indeed

Brexit fallout: Boris Johnson's 'healing' speech was mere "piffle and twaddle"

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go there or the learning courage above delinquents at times babe yourself bad Boris Johnson has called on the country to unite around brexit describing it as a cause for hope not fear as he warned fellow break city is not to gloat about that referendum victory the Foreign Secretary used a major speech in London to reaffirm his passion for the EU divorce but once again seized his moment in the spotlight to challenge Tories Amazo thority by warning it would be intolerable for the UK to remain bound by EU laws more now from Sky's senior political correspondent Robert Nesbit the Foreign Secretary preparing to unite a divided nation with a dawn jog along the MAL but before he arrived at the speech venue his Valentine advances were already being spurned his task to lay out an optimistic vision of brexit and lay remain as fears to rest by highlighting the opportunities of going it alone no one should think that brexit is some economic panacea any more than it is right to treat it as an economic pandemic on the country the success of brexit will depend on what we make of it but Boris Johnson had a second mission to neutralize the Chancellor's argument for only modest changes to our trading relationship with the EU it's only by taking back control of our regulatory framework and our tariff schedules that we can do these deals and exploit the changes in the world economy when it came to questions the event became more animated especially when Sky News asked whether he was too divisive a figure to woo the sceptics so do you regret some of the language perhaps you used during the EU referendum and since then and so now it may seem a bit strangely you're trying to reach out I said I wish to be I don't wish to contradict you in any way but I think I've always been extremely moderate in my language and loving and caring and that's that's that that is my intention unsurprisingly leading opposition remainders were not convinced he has absolutely no credibility at all when it comes to lecturing people on the need to unify this is somebody who has been our country's divider in chief for the last couple of years while in Brussels the Commission president was stung by mr. Johnson's claim that the EU was trying to build an overarching European state we are looking like today's America we are the European Union which is a rich body because we have this 27 28 nations the European Union cannot be built against European nations so this is total loss the leave means leave pressure group welcomed the positive tone of the speech but what are those in wood green in North London where three-quarters voted to stay were they wooed and need to be honest things quite awkward like you didn't really want to be doing it like I don't think people will relate very well I'm a local shop owner what we do is we sew copy to everybody and we're seeing less and less Europeans people don't feel as welcome in the UK as they used to one in five words he uses obviously from Eton background right so one in five business uses for the people in this area they they don't even know what he's talking about it was a typically florid performance the first of five major speeches by senior ministers as the negotiating response to our future relationship with the EU starts to set next up the embattled Prime Minister on Saturday Robin Lisbeth Sky News Westminster the foreign secretary Boris Johnson has called on the country to unite behind brakes it's saying that Britain's departure from the European Union was not a great v-sign from the cliffs of Dover in the first of a series of speeches by ministers that they're calling the road to brakes it mr. Johnson said that leaving the European Union could result in an outward looking confident UK labour called his words empty rhetoric political correspondent Vicky young reports we're on the road to brexit but cabinet ministers are still arguing about which route to take do we stay close to the European Union and all its rules we'll take off in a completely different direction many are anxious about the journey ahead including Liberal Democrats who laid on this less than friendly welcome for the Foreign Secretary he's trying to reach out to soothe concerns and convince them that BRICS it is grounds for much more Hope than fear it's not good enough for us now to say to remain errs you lost get over it because we must accept that the vast majority are actuated by entirely noble sentiments Breck's it's not about shutting Britain off he said it's about going global I absolutely refuse to accept the suggestion that he did some unfinished spasm of bad manners it's not some great visa sign from the cliffs of Dover it is the expression of a legitimate and natural desire for self government of the people by the people for the people at times this speech felt like a return to the heat of the referendum debate and mr. Johnson certainly hasn't changed his mind about the need to diverge from EU rules the British people should not have new laws affecting their everyday lives imposed from abroad when they have no power to elect or remove those who make those laws that would be intolerable would be undemocratic I don't make it all but impossible for us to do serious free trade deals so a familiar theme of taking back control which puts him at odds with some cabinet colleagues as the face of the leave campaign some question whether Boris Johnson is really the right person to try to heal the divisions of brexit but he acknowledges today that the positive case for leaving the EU still needs to be made and says that he has to try to make it but what about the obstacles that could lie ahead some want more practical answers Boris is really good at the broad brushstrokes but I think what's really needs now are the details you know we're just over 14 months away from the UK leaving the European Union and details on things like customs and borders how the really difficult issue of the Irish border is going to be delivered how EU citizens will alter stay here the position that they'll be in all that is is needed now more flesh on the bones is what critics want Downing Street insists they'll get that in the coming days when the spotlight turns to Theresa May and what's billed as a significant speech on security Viki young BBC News Westminster Boris Johnson used his big brexit speech today to declare his commitment to the benefits of life outside the EU having a community however did not get the same treatment the Foreign Secretary refused to rule out resigning if his colleagues don't back his vision hangers walker reports valentine's day perfect timing for Boris Johnson to deliver what sounded like a love letter to brexit show you today that brexit need not be nationalist but can be internationalist it's not an economic threat but a considerable opportunity not unbraid –is– but a manifestation of this country's historic national genius outside pro-eu protesters were also showing their feelings and he had a message for them I fear that some people are becoming evermore determined to stop brexit to reverse the referendum vote of June the 23rd 2016 and to frustrate the will of the people I believe that would be a disastrous mistake brexit was about breaking up with a European super-state he said a rejection of being ruled by Brussels it's only by taking back control of our laws that UK firms and entrepreneurs will have the freedom to innovate without the risk of having to comply with some directive devised by Brussels at the urgings of some lobby group with the specific aim of holding back a UPA UK competitor that would be intolerable beyond democratic in Brussels there was a rejection of his advances some in the British political society against the truth pretending that I'm stupid stubborn fabulous that I'm in favor of you ubasti I'm sweetly against a European super-state in many ways Boris Johnson was outlining his personal brexit blueprint so what if his cabinet colleagues didn't agree will you make your own offer of solidarity and unity today and guarantee you won't resign from the cabinet this year well we're all very lucky to serve and I'm certainly one of those so a speech about the benefits of leaving left questions unanswered about his own possible departure this was the first of a series of speeches from cabinet ministers on brexit on the speech from Boris today really you could have heard it during the referendum campaign in 2016 his critics here in Westminster and indeed in the business world say it lacked clarity it didn't address the practical questions around brexit but he was very clear about wanting a complete and clean break from Europe and that may lead to fresh clashes between Boris Johnson colleagues in the Conservative Party indeed inside the cabinet Angus Walker how Westminster thank you now Britain would be mad if it ended up with the brexit settlement which kept the country bound by EU rules that's according to Boris Johnson who was in upbeat mood today about leaving the EU describing it as the grounds for much more Hope than fear but the Foreign Secretary refused to rule out the possibility that he might resign if the government negotiated a soft brexit the speech was part Ballantine's card part knuckle gusting hard job application bear with me but British politics in the era of brexit has become a bit like this fish tank with guild creatures great and small endlessly circling around the same questions hard brexit soft brexit soggy but it is mesmerizing possibly stupefied and now and again something new haled I've crossed Westminster Bridge from the houses of parliament to come and see the other shark pool the real one here at Sea Life London and its newest addition a bo mouth guitar fish half shark half ray to his fellow fish notoriously promiscuous slippery difficult to read flamboyant loves and audience and his name is Boris from fish tank to think tank and to the Boris without guilt he used Valentine's Day to send a love bomb too fearful remain errs suffering from what he calls brick Sosa's it's not good enough for us now to say to remain errs you lost get over it because we must accept that the vast majority are actuated by entirely noble sentiments so much for the valentine bit then there was the knuckle dusting to those remain as who dare to subvert what he calls the will of the people in some cases alas I detect a hardening of the mood and a deepening of the anger I fear that some people are becoming ever more determined to stop brexit to reverse the referendum vote of June the 23rd 2016 and to frustrate the will of the people I believe that would be a disastrous mistake that would lead to permanent and in eradicable feelings of betrayal but Boris being Boris the Foreign Secretary cannot resist the temptation to go off-color I've just discovered more than a million people who go to Thailand every year where our superb consular services deal with some of the things that they get up to that the statistical the statistical on which I make no comment in Brussels jean-claude Juncker took exception to the suggestion in the speech that he was trying to create a European super-state some in the British political society against the truth pretending that I'm stupid stubborn feminist that I'm in favor of European super-state I'm sweetly against the Europeans humor state and in London one prominent remainer from Labour was also not entirely convinced I don't think Boris will ever be able to unify this country because nobody will forget the lies that he told in particular the 350 million pound extra per week he promised to the NHS if we voted to leave the European Union there were questions from the floor and that did try my very best to ask why the foreign secretary waited 18 months to give a speech meant to reassure than narrowly losing side in a bitterly divided country that's right somebody back do I see any will be been I see anyone else but alas the Foreign Secretary was overruled by his own host policy exchange which led me back to the fish tank and to thoughts about pecking orders and power if these fish were members of the cabinet who would the prime minister be here or the Chancellor and how much could they trust any shock why indeed so how will remain is in his own party react to the foreign secretary speech well I spoke to the pro-europe Conservative MP and a soupery so Boris Johnson issue today a bit of a love letter on Valentine's Day to remain as who suffered from what he might I think what he called BRICS OSIS but in this love letter he also managed to make some off-color jokes about the Thai sex trade and doggin do you think that he got the tone absolutely right no he got it absolutely wrong I mean people aren't interested in Boris's jokes and rather smutty comments what they want to know is the detail now people have accepted that we're leaving the European Union largely and we now want to know what is the government's preferred option we know there are various options we know the government which supports brexit has done an analysis of those options we know that whichever option we choose it's going to harm our economy so we want to do the very least harm that we possibly can and what Boris didn't do was actually go into that grown-up detail of the options that we now face options apparently that he faces in the decisions that he will be helping to form in cabinet but what he was also trying to do was to reassure remain errs on the losing side who were too fearful about the consequences of brexit he was appealing to people like you now did he manage to reassure you oh I didn't realize he was trying to appeal to me or indeed people like me because he didn't come across like that unfortunately at all and I think the great danger that he's actually done is that I think he will have entrenched in many people I'm not saying myself but a fear a real feeling that this is somebody who does not understand British business who does not understand how the single market operates and the huge benefits it confers on our economy who has no idea about global trade if that has pretty much no idea at all other than the ability to make smutty comments and keep giving us all this piffle I think is the word that he might use you know we've had the debate on the EU referendum leave one so we've had all this Airy fairy stuff about how brilliant it's all going to be well let's now get into the detail and let's have a proper debate about the options that he is facing and where we are going to make sure that we protect our economy recently you called for him for the Foreign Secretary to be sacked are you still oh I'm afraid to say that Boris has confirmed my very worst fears about him I don't think he's a very good foreign secretary I think he has on a number of occasions broken collective responsibility but I think today he really has hugely lacked the sort of grown-up responsible sensible approach that we expect from one of the most senior members of our cabinet and the approach to brexit it was a very Paul it was actually a pitiful speech and I think a lot of people actually found it really rather embarrassing Boris was a great mayor of London no debate about that he's obviously very bright I think he has got skills but I mean when it comes to brexit from the very outset Boris simply lost the plot I think unfortunately put his own emissions before the ambitions of our country and I'm afraid his constituents as well but let's be honest there is no apparent end to this Civil War and the Tory party and what you're basically doing whether you like it or not is paving the way for Jeremy Corbyn to move into number 10 well I think that's absolute total okay from piffle to twaddle we've heard it all thank you very much Anna sue Bri

Gerard Batten & Neil Hamilton interview Westminster 14th March 2019

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Gerard Batten & Neil Hamilton interviewed by Richard Ford at Westminster just a few hours before vote on delaying BREXIT.
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Jarrid what do you think about what's happening in in Parliament today what is this gonna be an extension what's going to happen I think it's most likely that they'll vote to request an extension cuz the ears with other people who other Council of the European Union the people who've got a grant there or not if they vote that way tonight it will be a final betrayal by this political class over here of the referendum decision and the British people I was surprised last night that it was such a narrow majority on the No Deal option forth quite surprisingly I thought it'd be a landslide so we'll see what happens tonight and they probably are going to vote for a nigga start to ask for an extension the EU will probably give it to them because it doesn't want us to leave and then you're they will be into this period which could go on for another year another two years until they can finally overturn the referendum decision altogether which is what they intend and as I was just saying to Associated Press it's my job to build up you Kip now as an electoral threat so that we take jobs and seats away from those people over there who have betrayed their country and it's a very good opportunity to make a Marcus and there were the by-election for coming up in the fourth of April in in Newport West in Newport West we've got the candid I hear Neil is a very good politician anyway he's a sits in the Welsh Assembly and it won't it will of course be about the local issues in Newport West but I think overriding it's got to be about giving those people an opportunity to reinforce their vote to leave the European Union absolutely I'm gonna make it about Briggs it because the vote takes place three weeks today that's five days after we should have been leaving the EU on 29th of March of course the Tories and Labour don't want to talk about Europe they don't talk about anything apart from splash pads and children's playgrounds and so on for the very good reason that they know that both of their parties have betrayed the British people and beyond that we've got local elections in many parts of England and Wales that's a good opportunity second of May again that our literature on that is saying this is about local issues obviously but this is your opportunity also to send a message to the political establishment and reinforce your vote to leave the European Union every vote for you Kip is a vote to leave the European Union and join you the membership I understand has gone up in your tenure it has gone up by about 10,000 since I've been doing the job we need tens of more this is not my party not my struggle it's your party your struggle if you want to leave the European Union join you kit we need members we need income in order to fight election so the more the merrier and the more effective we're going to be let's see you keep up to a hundred thousand let's make it a mass movement so we need members and you need money and if you go on WWWE blog you can donate or you can donate to the campaign in Wales and Newport condemn it to donate to the party generally absolutely right but don't forget also candidates it's not too late that people want to be local election candidates they have to be members of course but we need candidates for this local election and there's going to be a general election coming along we needs v 650 really good dedicated candidates for that we're already got half of them in place now we need the other half so if you're watching and if you're a member of you kit or you want to join you kit we need candidates and if you're a remainder of course your support for choice because you've got a choice of Labor liberal conservative and green and in Wales the plaid Camry as well there's only one vote for brexit and that is a vote for you kid now if you're a Tory remainer sorry if you're a Tory lever you're not going to vote for the Tory Party are you you need to vote for you kid if you're a Labour lever are you gonna vote for Jeremy Corbyn and these Marxists you've got a vote for UK and if you're a lever who can't be bothered to vote for any of them which is the position I would be in if I wasn't a member of UK then you've got to come and vote for you clip and join the join you kit and we'll see these parties whittle down to the very low membership and votes that they actually deserve and it's very very interesting because some many parts the country lay believers and politically little levers lent their vote to the Labour of conservative parties because the commit in the manifesto to leave the European Union that was the last time do you think that Taurean lay believers will trust the Tories and trust labour again no if you look at the last election eighty-five percent of candidates in that place stood on the basis of leaving the European Union and honoring the referendum and that all of those who are sitting in there now part of the DUP and a few others had betrayed that so that's what people have to remember if you voted labour if you voted Tory then only in exceptional circumstances with a MEP zing question have you being betrayed so forget about these people but even if you don't vote you keep voting for something different because if you vote for these people you'll end up in the same place which is deeper and deeper in the European Union and that includes Rhys mug and Liam Fox and skin Co Tory brexit tears are supporting Teresa mo well yes I'm afraid so the problem with people like that is that they're in the wrong party so if you vote for them you're voting for their party and their manifesto and the last manifesto has been betrayed so why wouldn't the next one be betrayed okay so leave on a note if you'd like to send a clear unequivocal message not just to Cardiff Bay but also to Westminster and to European Parliament if you live in Newport West or vote for Neal for Newport if you don't go down there and help him it's very easy to get to new put down the m4 from any part of the country and if you can't go there please donate to his campaign down in Newport send a clear message to Brussels and to Westminster and to Cardiff Thank You Neal tea thank you thank you Richard if you want to support a return to proper parliamentary democracy and for Britain to unite to make a successor brexit join you Kipp today go to WWE Borg or phonus on oh three three three eight hundred six 800

Gerard Batten & Neil Hamilton canvassing in Newport West

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Gerard Batten & Neil Hamilton canvassing in Newport West for the coming by election.

[Laughter] Neal Hamilton campaigning here in in Newport West because I always remember Neil you came out and spoke for me before I became an MEP back in about 2003 you supported me then when we were in a pub with I don't know about 20 or 30 people and the rest is history as they say so I've always been very grateful to you that and I'm very pleased to be out here with you today at the Newport West violation but I very much hope you're going to be a you Kip MP but we'll have to wait until the fourth of April to find out but either way I know you're gonna do very well well I remember very well that meeting at the hoop and toy pub just around the corner from the Victorian Albert Museum in Kensington but I think this is my ninth parliamentary election if I remember correctly and one of the interesting features of this campaign is that the Liberal candidate against me is the son of the Liberal candidate or I fought in a Burton area in February 1974 so I don't know what's happened to his father but I'm still around I'm still fighting the same battles today as I was 50 years ago because I joined the anti Common Market League in 1967 and so fighting for Britain's sovereign independence has been the thread that's run all the way through my political life I'm not quite as old as you nearly the same with me the reason I've got involved in politics is because I don't want to live in a country run by the European Union I want to live in a democratic country and we mustn't forget the lovely Christine no I'm very happy taking out the power behind the throne that's what I'm always happened to be known and nothing on earth will ever persuade me to be a candidate ever at any level thank you very much no job was supporting Neil so thank you very much and I do have some real connections with this Constitution my parents were actually married in this constituency at a village called Roger stone on the outskirts Newport and my mother's family was from just over the border in tangora riska indeed in the 19th century and before my ancestors lived at Casselton which is a little village between Newport and Cardiff so and I was born in the old county of Mancha so I feel as though I've I've come back to my roots you might be representing these people in Parliament in the near future would certainly be one of the least likely outcomes that I would have predicted all those years ago when I was liberated by the people in 1997 as a member of parliament well here we are in Roger stone which is a village on the north northwest frontier of Newport West constituency and we are here today because I wanted to film outside the Bethesda Baptist Church because 70 years ago on the 20th of March 1948 my parents were married in this church well not quite this church because as you can see it's a modern church but in the building that was on this site a little chapel that dates back to 1740 – the date is immortalized on the side of the new building and without that event of my parents getting married I wouldn't be here today and I wouldn't be the candidate in the Newport West by-election so Roger stone has a lot to answer for but in a good way by election we've gotta get breakfast to top bricks if we need em if you want to support a return to proper parliamentary democracy and for Britain to unite to make a successor brexit join you Kipp today go to on Oh three three three eight hundred six 800 you

BREXIT: Who wants to Revoke Article 50?

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so mrs. Mays had a chat with you from her sofa she told you that her deal couldn't get through the House of Commons and now was a choice either we have a deal or we don't leave the European Union so the plan is she's now talking to that nice mr. Corbyn to try and do a deal that will protect jobs and security and then we'll get brexit it all sounds really rather wonderful doesn't it what she didn't tell you was that her deal is actually a new European treaty binding in international law and which we can't leave ever unless the European Union say so and she's given you a false choice this is not about whether we leave the European Union or don't leave the European Union we could have left it on the 29th of March the legislation was in place she refused to do so what were actually faced with is her treaty with amendments from labor or extending article 50 not cancelling brexit but extending the date upon which we leave she doesn't really want to do that because she's scared that on the 23rd of May there'll be European elections and you will deliver your verdict and you'd be right to because actually what she wants to sign up to it mr. Corbyn his membership of the customs union which means we can't set around tariffs we can't do our own trade deals all things that we were promised if we voted to leave in a referendum we would get and all things that were promised in her own manifesto not only is this the most incompetent and worst Prime Minister that I've seen in my lifetime but she's also the most cheap elicit us and the most dishonest as well I'm now leading the brexit party and if we have to fight those European elections on May the 23rd we'll fight them because each time we taught them a lesson you

Nigel Farage Gets Into Heated Debate On BBC About BREXIT

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well we're joined here in the studio by the UK MEP and prominent brexit campaign and Nigel Farage Nigel what did you make of Jeremy Corbyn speech is it again changer it's the first step of a I think quite easy to see labour complete labour sellout on the sem perfectly clear I mean the nonsense about trade governments don't negotiate trade deals the European Commission negotiate trade deals if you're part of a customs union you will not be involved in that so so they've given up on that and what Barnea will say is well thank you very much that's great we're very happy with this but you now need to go further on the single market so the next big labor speech on this a few months down the road will be you know that will be inextricably linked to a single market but not these single market I thought the biggest clue the lot was yesterday on the BBC when star Marr said we would have to have a new treaty so we get rid of the current treaty we have another treaty and labour voters are going to start to ask are we really leaving Luton Andrew would you like to see labour commit to remaining members of the single market I think broadly speaking we're in exactly the right place for the country but what about the answer to that question well that is the answer to that question is that the position that Jeremy just set out about an hour ago was building on the commitment that Kay made yesterday about a customs union the customs union access to the single market run the membership of the single or we can all have access to the single market because as Rebecca outlined it gives you flexibility to be able to negotiate specific terms rules and agreements that you want to sign up to and those that you don't I mean for me the importance of all of this that is being lost in all the sort of bluster and hot air is that lay back does now have a very clear position which is that we see our future as being a high wage high standard high-quality economy that links us very closely pegs us very closely to those standards that operate across the European Union right but you will be but Labour's policy would mean Britain would be a rule taker and you accept that and that is where you would be selling levers down the line that's part of the negotiation and and the difficulty for Britain is that there isn't that agreement within the Tory party even within the cabinet so you know the question is because this is a choice really in the end is do we want to peg ourselves very closely to countries like the US and China and trade on those which will push down wages and country on immigration in a moment let me come to Christie well what do you say to that I mean are you confident that you will still be able to get Parliament to endorse leaving the single market and the customs union well I think first of all this is about taking back control people voted in tuned 2016 to have control over their money their laws and their borders and the two-thirds of labour constituencies voted to leave they will be outraged they feel that our future trade policy is going to be set by the EU the whole point of having a customs union the whole point of having a customs union means that it will exclude the ability for Britain to be able to sign independently up to the trade terms it wishes to do so and when people realize that you know when people realize that a customs union will lead to this I think there's going to be serious consequences to the labour party of eroding its base right I mean Nigel far as your party got just under six hundred thousand votes in the last election that's against seventeen point four million people who voted to leave as well as all of those of course voted to remain why do you still get to define what a proper brexit looks like now the party got very few votes because because the public believed parties like labour that actually the brexit they voted for was going to happen and now a few months down the road we're seeing a very different picture four million plus labour voters who voted for corbin who want who genuinely want immigration reduced significantly and want us to leave the single market the customs union and to be an independent country so this is a sellout by any measure Jeremy Corbyn was a brick city why why wouldn't people trust him to deliver the sort of bricks that will protect jobs and the economy as he has stated well because as I say if we continue with free movement he's made it pretty clear they said an end to freedom well what do you said he wants to be a citizen of the world he said we won't escape go anybody I mean there were so many references there and he also said Labor's priority will be business commitments not arbitrary migration numbers so all this will continue a little yeah low paid jobs that's right and that's what Labour had produced right at least let Lisa respond well just you know this is absolute nonsense if it was if it was as true as you say that you somehow magically know exactly why every single lead voter in this country voted to leave and the specific legal mechanisms that they want to see in place after we do then why does your vote collapse in cases like mine in 2017 we stood on a very clear manifest yes we didn't we stood on a very we stood on a very clear commitment that said that we wanted to retain the benefits of the single market we wanted access to the single market we wanted to avoid a hard border with northern our alright we'll come on to that hard but we will come to the hard to talk about immigration what do you understand by Rebecca long Baily and what was said in the labor manifesto that there will be an end to freedom of movement which is then followed by a new system a fairer system says Jeremy Corbyn of managed migration well I'm not part of the discussion internally behind look what does it mean to you and what I imagine that this would mean and where I imagine this is leading to whether it's Tories negotiating it or labour is probably a system that looks a lot like work permits and visas looking at the requirements to bring in skilled labor and non skilled labor and with the numbers of the agricultural industry well I think that's a bit of a red herring to be honest because if you start saying we'll set some kind of arbitrary target for numbers then you're not looking at the interests of the economy right I mean in terms of knowing what people actually wanted about leaving the European Union are you saying that there are going to be tens of thousands of very disappointed labor leavers that we're not going to be leaving the customs union if labour millions millions of labour voters very disappointed I mean this act is the Conservative Party's big chance if the conservative party of Teresa Way was able right now to grab the immigration agenda I think she could do massive damage to labour in the middle of the north I'm not sure whether she'll do it but everybody was clear we were voting to leave the institutions of the European Union and run our own lives that is what they got to get hired actually they're gonna get higher wages if we control immigration right and if we go global we go global we could as a country what you've done today you've stopped us going global by staying part of a customs union right and that does mean so you say it would be in a negotiation but it does mean on paper that Britain would remain a rule taker if we are part of a customs union there wouldn't be the ability to negotiate free trade agreements in the way that people envisage and that is going back on what was promised in the referendum no there would be restrictions on the way in which we could negotiate free trade agreements but it wouldn't prevent us from negotiate well except on the basis of being friendlier to the EU and being friendly on negotiations is not evidence for saying that the EU would give you what you want what it would what it would entail as care rightly was honest about yesterday is that we would have to work very closely with other European countries in order to negotiate free trade agreements you're not telling the European Commission negotiate the truth is that this is a choice in the end about what sort of country we want to be we cannot be simultaneously a high wage high regulation economy and a low wage low regulation economy we have to choose if we want a closed trading relationship with Europe or not and that's where neither of these political rights is being a problem for a country one of the other issues is about state aid which is an important cornerstone of what Jeremy Corbyn wants to do if he becomes prime minister in terms of economic policy labour wants to undermine the principle of no state aid which is a principle that is crucial to the internal EU market why and how well actually I disagree with that and I slightly disagree with Rebecca in the way that it was characterized in that interview because the truth is that if you look at countries like France it is just simply not true to say that remaining within the European Union is a barrier to state aid and is that a straw man put up by the locals I think it's a genuine fear but one that is actually in my view not fully borne out by the facts I think it is possible to remain within the European Union not that we are we're leaving but it is possible to do that and intervene in markets so don't think that that is a consideration that should determine any political parties Nigel Virology was stating very clearly earlier that the Commission is the one that is negotiating here but it's also true to say that other countries have had bespoke deals and if you look at Turkey with regard to the customs union or you look at Switzerland with regard to bilateral we were talking about a of doing trade deals with the rest of the world and it is the European Commission that does that actually even as members of the European Union governments that have that much say over it so we there is you cannot be in a customs union and exert very much influence on outside trade policy that's a fact however I think what is very very interesting there's one thing for certain if we say in a customs union food will stay expensive because the other thing that a customs union does it determines the tariffs that are put on imports for the rest of the world are are items like shoes food bras the things actually that the poorest families spend spend the biggest part of the ring comes on those things will stay expensive if we stay on a customs union and that's something that labor voters need to understand what do you say to that because it was also a line from Jacob Riis mark the Tory MP but essentially what Nigel's are arguing for is a vision of Britain in which wages in constituencies like mine fall and that means that relatively speaking prices are higher anyway so I'm really I think the idea that you could suddenly the champion food reduced by 20 pound a week for those are lower incomes for an average family would be a very good I'm Nigel what I would say to you is that actually that is the difference between the customs union and a customs union which you just mixed up in that answer because a customs union and enables you to negotiate that you're either part of a legal entity called a customs union or you're not and also part of the argument around the single mode and listen I would you know I said I mean Kearse Dharma implied that in effect it would be the customs union now a customs well in effect oh I see is close I see what you mean so we're looking we're looking to mirror very closely those terms so that we can have frictionless trade and help to move us forward to solving the problem that we've created in Northern Ireland and that seems to me to be a thoroughly good thing Nigel for us thank you very much thank you I'm in favor of brexit actually because I'd rather be a poor master of my own fake than the rich servant of someone else's

Brexit crisis: What is a customs union?

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There’s a thinking that if any of the proposals MPs put forward gain majorities, the ones that call for the softest of Brexits stand the best chance.

Two different motions put forward by Conservative MPs – Nick Boles and Ken Clarke – would each see the UK remain in a customs union with the EU.

So what would that mean for a post-Brexit Britain?

Here is Sky’s business correspondent Adam Parsons to explain.

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London gateway port a symbol of Britain's role in global trade ships come here from 60 different countries around the world but what happens next what will be the rules for all these imports and exports in the future it is a fundamental question about brexit many are now promoting the idea of the UK leaving the EU but staying on as a member of the European customs union that's similar to Turkey's relationship with the EU it would mean a trade agreement that removes all taxes on goods as they travel around Europe what that means is that the goods within these containers can be sent to France or Germany they can be unpacked and distributed across Europe and then the containers can be refilled and sent back here to the UK all without any extra taxes being imposed so could a customs union be the answer to the biggest brexit headache of all the prospect of a return to an obtrusive physical border between Northern Ireland and the Republic well a customs union would mean that you could get rid of checks on tariffs between the countries but it wouldn't end the need for some kind of legal border because the Republic of Ireland would be in the European single market and Northern Ireland wouldn't a customs union is a necessary component of dealing with the issue of the Irish land border but it's far from sufficient what we're talking about in order to deal with the Irish land border is close regulatory alignment so there's no need to check some for example products of animal origin Soviet land milk or beef but there are other issues to deal with the customs union hampers the UK's ability to sign individual trade deals an alternative which would allow the UK to sign bespoke trade deals to send goods like that off around the world is called common market 2.0 it's a pretty soft form of brexit loved by some hated by others but support for it is growing this idea would see the UK remain in the single market and to strike its own trade deals with the rest of the world but it would require us to accept freedom of movement and to continue to pay into the EU budget this idea is similar to Norway's relationship with the EU it's a member of the European single market but opts out of the customs union that's why you'll find hard border checks between Norway and Sweden which is an EU country if we were not in a customs union and we were just talking about being the single market similar to how Iceland is or Norway is then you are able to negotiate trade agreements pretty much the only solely focused on goods and those countries have done so Iceland for example has a trade agreement with China the question is whether we prioritize trade with our nearest neighbors or go for fast-growing markets on the other side of the world the answer to that will determine what sort of trade do we pursue Adam Parsons Sky News London gateway

Shadow Business Secretary Rebecca Long-Bailey's interview on The Andrew Marr Show

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it's an extraordinary moment a man that Theresa May has reviled as a Marxist he invites her she invites you all in she talks to you whether jokes were the biscuits what was it actually like to be there well we're in unprecedented times at the moment but I have to say that there were very good-natured discussions we've been through two meetings now both good-natured and both very technical and we've had subsequent exchanges with the government so the overall mood is quite a positive and hopeful what I have to say so Teresa Mae wasn't simply sitting there giving nothing away at all she was actually engaging with Jeremy Corbyn eye contact a bit of jokes that kind of thing one goes by saying that there were jokes but there was certainly an engagement and a willingness to cooperate on both sides I mean but the sad thing is at the moment we haven't seen overall any real changes to the deal but we're hopeful that that will change in coming days and we're willing to continue the talks as we know the government are I think a lot of us on the outside are still unclear as to the status of these talks have there been any contacts over the weekend are you clearing time and your diary for these talks to go on tomorrow we are we're keeping our Diaries as free as possible we've had exchanges with the government over the weekend clarifying our position they've been setting out theirs and hopefully at the beginning of next week we will be having further discussions but we're currently waiting for the government to come back to us now to state whether they're prepared to move on any of their red lines as I say we had great discussions and we went into a lot of technical detail but so far we haven't seen anything from government that would suggest they're prepared to change any part of the deal going forward and obviously that's disappointing because we know the Prime Minister committed to compromise and indeed we've committed to the same but we haven't seen any real compromise yet slightly confusing because the Chancellor Philip Hammond has said we have no red lines at all and suggesting that the government is prepared to move and some of the papers are saying today that the government is offering you or it's preparing to offer you some kind of agreement on a customs union that would be voted through and become legally enforceable the kind of thing you want yeah time will tell over the next few days but certainly at present we haven't seen any real changes to the deal but I think both sides are committed to working quite Risley to compromise as much as possible so that we can provide that compromise brexit deal I think Parliament desperately needs at the moment you say both sides they're of course quite rightly what compromises are you offering we've demonstrated already within Parliament that we're prepared to be flexible we had a round of indicative votes recently and there were a number of proposals put forward by back benches that weren't our you know policy position but in order to move things along we supported them so the government's under no illusion that we're prepared to compromise and we had very very in-depth discussion setting out our real fears and concerns in relation to the customs union in relation to the single market and regulator realignment in relating to how any of the proposed changes could be entrenched so that their future conservative leader wouldn't be able to rip up put it this morning Boris proved proved yes now the customs union seems to be at the heart of all of this because Teresa made proposal includes a customs arrangement and he doesn't seem a million miles away from what you're proposing is different can I ask you are you insisting on a full customs union labeled as a customs union yes or no or are you prepared to edge a little bit towards her on that well a questions union is defined in international law and as the proposals that certainly we've seen from the government so far that you know in their direction of travel over the last two years has not been compliant with the definition of a customs union and we're trying to you know get the detail from the government as to where they would be prepared to move to on this but certainly what we have on the table isn't a customs union it certainly doesn't meet the criteria that many business organizations such as the CBI have been asking for and it's important to state that you know the reason we're calling for a customs union is to protect vital supply chains manufacturing particularly sure or can have that frictionless trade and at the moment we're seeing investment stagnating and manufacturing and huge uncertainty so on that you're not compromising you want a full fat customs union and nothing less we've explained what our policy and the government under no illusion about that and we've stated that we want Britain to have a say in future trade deals as part of a customs union arrangement but we are willing to compromise and we're waiting for the government to come back with their customs union proposals in full but as I say at the moment what we've seen doesn't suggest that the position is changing Jeremy Corbyn said that he'd raised the question of a second referendum um can I ask is the Labour Party's position in these talks to demand another referendum under all circumstances or not we've stated our policy position very clearly throughout these exploratory talks and are you asking for one well our policy asks us to ask for one well policy states very clearly that in the event of a damaging deal that could you know damage jobs in the economy or a No Deal situation that we should keep all options on the table and that includes a confirmatory public vote of some kind so we've asked the government whether they would consider complying with our policy position and as yet we haven't seen anything to suggest that they will but as I say discussions will continue next week I'm just thinking that if you press another referendum on to resume that would collapse the talk she would never accept that and therefore it might be tactically wise to put that to one side and focus on the customs union and that seems to be the way that the Labour leadership is thinking well ultimately we want to gain a compromise deal that will satisfy Abelard consensus across Parliament and that's our priority but of course we're under a duty within our party to set out our policy position which we have done the Conservatives have set out there and we're hoping that we will find a compromise but as I say the critical outcome from these talks must be some form of compromise deal that will secure a majority in parliament now if you fail in these talks the next phase the process seems to be a series of further binding votes in the House of Commons on other ways forward and prime minister said that she would be bound by the House of Commons in the case of these votes next week will the Labour Party leadership also be burned well we haven't had any discussions really as to what the next stage would be and the government haven't confirmed whether they want to adopt that approach or look you know more flexible approaches going forward certainly I think we're in the first stage of the discussion process about seeing if we can find that compromise and in terms of parliamentary business for next week as I say I haven't had any indication either of the wit that indicative votes will be put on the table I'm sorry but this is a position of principle really Prime Minister said on Tuesday that she would be bound by these votes in terms of the House of Commons you know five days later and you can't say on behalf of the Labour Party the Labour Party will be bound we're in a position where everybody is going to have to make compromises and moves I ask you again if the House of Commons votes for a way forward this week will the Labour Party be bound by that well it depends on the options of your table as I said in the discussions that we've had so far with government an agreed position on the next stage whether we go into an indicative vote situation whether they're going to be binding that has not been discussed at length or agreed by either party Jeremy Corbyn says that his ultimate purpose in all of this is to stop Britain crashing out with no deal now if this process doesn't work and it still seems to be pretty sticky to put it politely and if those votes aren't binding this week then we may end up by Friday in a position where we are staring down the barrel of either going out with no deal at 11 o'clock on Friday evening or revoking article 15 that's the last lever the House of Commons would have left in those circumstances would the Labour Party vote for revoke in those circumstances well of course we don't want no deal because we think that it would be extremely damaging for our economy various manufacturing organizations have shown us the financial impact that no deal would have on their businesses and it would cause widespread damage and job losses across industry so we want to avoid that in any situation in any situation when saying sorry I'm – if that's the case then logically you must be preparing to vote to revoke article 50 at that moment we'll keep all options in play under the other oxygen the No Deal off the table and they will have to remember that if we get to a situation where Parliament has to look at revoking article 50 that be disappointing and it will be as a result of the crisis that the government has caused unfortunately but it'll be a matter that we consider very carefully at the time but we have promised our party members and our constituents that we'll do all we can to avoid a no deal situation and it's something that we would consider very very strongly okay if words mean words all we can must mean that you would vote to revoke article 50 well it's a very hypothetical question I mean from a personal position on we know that there's no appetite within Parliament for a No Deal situation so we know that if the prospect was put to Parliament to avoid a No Deal using that as an option then perhaps it would have a large success of winning we also know that Europe has largely stated that they don't want to be in a no deal situation and I'm sure certainly from the actions and the comments that I've seen coming from Europe in recent weeks they will do all they can to avoid a no deal situation and I hope that that does happen I hope we do avoid a no deal situation and being forced to consider revoking article 50 because ultimately our priority this week is to try and negotiate with the government a compromise Rexach deal that will protect jobs and the economy going forward and we want to be given the opportunity to do that it doesn't sound like you're in a very compromising mood if I can put it that way you've said that you're not going to move on the customs union and you've said that you're not going to be bound unlike the Prime Minister you're not going to be bound by votes in the House of Commons I'm slightly surprised that you're not in a slightly more malleable mood but it's a very important moment for the whole country sides need to move let me be clear we've not said that we won't compromise on a customs union we've not said that we won't compromise on our position in relation to regulatory alignment and having a strong single market deal we are willing to be flexible but we have to see the government move their red lines first we've outlined our concerns and where we'd like to get to but equally compromise works both ways and at the moment we're not seeing any element of compromise from the government and we're hopeful that will change over the coming days and certainly will consider any proposals that they put to us if they come near to the objectives that we're trying to achieve well let me return to those votes in the House of Commons because again it's the odd perhaps for people-watching Teresa makings being accused of being one person who won't listen won't change her mind won't compromise and here she is saying if the House of Commons votes for an answer this week I will be bound by it but the Labour Party is not prepared to match that offer why not well now I'm not we're not saying that at all what we're saying is is the government haven't provided any you know outline of what will happen in the second phase we don't know if theirs are going to be any business tabled which would allow Parliament to have indicative votes and certainly we haven't had any discussions and that stage that second stage was intended to kick in in the event that the compromise talks failed as far as I'm aware that's certainly impression that the Prime Minister has given to us so we want to make sure that we do all we can in that first stage to provide a good strong compromise deal that will provide a consensus within Parliament and then we think about the next stage whether we need to move to an indicative votes process that looks at a number of options going forward but certainly we're very much in the first phase the second phase could be two days away or three days away maximum and the Labour Party said again and again Parliament really matters the Commons counts above everything else and therefore I'm deeply confused as to why you won't accept the verdict of the House of Commons I can only assume that you're worried that Theresa May might get her deal for you through and therefore you might be committed to that although as I said you know whatever the House of Commons votes for will be the final deal whether that's the deal that we vote on as a compromise deal whether the Prime Minister decides to put her deal for a meaningful vote for you know etc etc so that will be the outcome of the parliamentary process whatever happens but what I'm saying to you today andrew is that in terms of that second stage whether the government has agreed to be bound by parliamentary decisions on indicative votes or not that has not been agreed by either the government or the opposition at this present time and certainly we haven't moved into that stage or negotiations we've not had any indication that that's what they're proposing to do this week

Michael Walker Devizes UKIP Chairman

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hello my name's Mike Walker I am the divisors you kicked chairman I've been a teacher for nearly 28 years I'm now retired and I'm now a tutor at science and mathematics and I go round Wiltshire teaching all kinds of races Muslims Chinese Africans indigenous Caucasian English the lot over the last 20 years I've loved my job in teaching and then when I got to the age of 55 I decided after a number of incidents that occurred in my profession that I was gonna pack it in and retire I've seen incredible things in teaching I've seen the liberalisation of sexuality I was in charge of PSA G I remember a year a lesson where pupils were given leaflets on how to have safe sex in year 8 that's 11 and 12 year old girls I would walk round and rip them up I was absolutely disgusted I remember driving in Avery once and I was stopped on the road and across the road walked a Muslim family to the father the son words were first the mother in a burka and her daughter was next I remember the next day doing an assembly about the burka which contravenes as far as I'm concerned the Human Rights Act men and women are equal and I remember after that assembly being top on my head teacher that I couldn't say them and then I started to realize that the cultural values and inheritance of this country were being undermined free speech is absolutely everything after 28 years of teaching I retired I started to take up running and I remember running through will cheesy I come from South Yorkshire it's a very urbanized County I remember going to school and I never saw the blue sky because there was a thick layer of smog over it high industrialization urbanization densely populated and coming to Wiltshire was absolutely fantastic and I remember running through the woods and then recently I remember listening to bulldozers and knowing that this country now is being overrun by mass uncontrolled immigration it has been covered in concrete and tarmac Wiltshire is becoming like South Yorkshire where I come from and I also remember watching in 2016 a television program and Barack Obama stood up and looked at me and he said if you vote to leave you are at the end of the trading queue so I stood up I've always voted conservative I walked out of the house and I signed up to be a you kick member over the last two years I've looked at you Kipp and I've noticed two things I'm not sure whether you kit really understands what kind of party is is it a party of protest or is it a party of government as far as I'm concerned the rallies the marches should stop and I think you Kipp should now become a party of government we should fully 100% concentrate on getting councillors and in peas because of that me Mike Walker I put my name down to be an MP and I will do so proudly as a you keep candidate against Michelle Donovan a chip-in Chippenham now then as branch chairman for divisors I've got a plan and this plan is to create a kind of think tank with all the branch members in Wiltshire I put forward my plan to Richard Ford it involves two things two lines of attack the first line of attack is to work with experts in UKIP's such as Alan graves and get thousands and thousands of leaflets through the letterbox to people to tell them the truth about what's happening in this country the second line of attack is a battle on social media and I'm absolutely convinced we can win that battle and I now know how to do it over the next three years I really hope this Conservative government golf full term because over three years they will bleed volts to us we will win this battle throughout Wiltshire each town has a massive conservative majority and it's going to take three years to bring these conservative MPs down but I'm certain we could do it now then if you want to work and help you Kip look towards Wiltshire contact me Mike Walker the device's chairman and become part of this think tank and joiners we work together on social media we email each other and we have a plan we know how to get you Kip into government please contact us thank you if you want to support a return to proper parliamentary democracy and for Britain to unite to make a successor brexit join you Kip today go to WWE on oh three three three eight hundred six 800

Brexit chaos: What Brextremists are not telling you about the WTO rules cliff edge

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good order you are an incorrigible delinquents at times babe yourself man so what would be the economic impact of a No Deal brexit and giant now about economics correspondent alia Brahimi what would it be well mo it's hard to comprehend but from the very first day of an OD our exit all the basic legal rules that underpin each parts of British society would simply cease to exist and this would be as far-reaching and profound as the planes in the sky of visas or medicines or haulage and if you take that last subject haulage it sounds simple enough but we actually need permission to take British trucks in and out of Europe and if we crashed out we'd be limited to just 3,000 trucks I have to tell you man that represents just 5% of our current Japanese so what about all the stuffs on the bridge to tears Oh we'll be fine with WTO rules I mean WTO rules are hugely restrictive the WTO is a global club with preset tariffs and preset quotas take for example at the moment cars we have zero tariffs for cars going into Europe under WTO it would be 10% for clothes and cheese at the moment we have zero tariffs under WTO it would be 12% and their tariffs that are much higher beef some beef products attract tariffs of 90 percent and we're just talking about halves here we're not even talking about regulation and the point here is we can't control how Europe treats us if we crash out so we can't bring those towers down to zero well we can bring them down when it comes to European goods coming into Britain we can make them zero that would make it easier that would make it cheaper for British consumers in the supermarket but by the way what bricks eaters are not telling you here is that if we bring tariffs down to zero on European group goods under WTO rules we would have to apply that unilaterally and if we do that the consequences how are we going to strike these deals with places like Australia if we have nothing to bargain good point Elliot thanks very much Fatima thanks max well a little earlier I spoke to The Economist Jared Lyons and Carolyn Fairburn the director-general of the Confederation of British industry Carolyn Fairburn it looks like mrs. may's deal is not going to get through Parliament we are heading for No Deal are you prepared businesses are extraordinary anxious right now so a hundred days next week on Wednesday until we leave and firms still have no clarity about how No Deal would be avoided but we are heading for no deal unless there is no alternative is that something you're willing to accept we need to find a way not to have no deal because the damage to jobs unemployment and growth will be very significant indeed so we know that we would have delays at customs we know that there could be a reduction of capacity about to 80 percent at Dover this means that businesses will not be able to get their parts it means that food will not be on shelves we need to find a way through this to protect jobs and our economy and I think our real worry is the economy has been lost in all of this political debate so we do need to find a way through it's not something we should be accepting for a moment okay Jared Lyons that's quite a doomsday scenario food will not be on the shelves well first and foremost I think it's important that No Deal is not a rehash of projects here and we've unfortunately had too much project here in the last two years first and foremost No Deal is about preparation and second is about opportunity it's quite clear from the bank I'm involved with but also from conversations across the city that firms and the city in general are making great progress and will be fully prepared by next spring so preparation is a key issue but also is about opportunity so there are lots of issues here there's no doubt that some firms if they're not prepared and some setters may find it a bigger shock in the near term but just as the referendum result itself was a shock and the economy has shown itself resilience there's the same issue here so we shouldn't be complacent but at the same time we should prepare in context some of this is absolute fantasy the idea that no deal can be managed is absolute fantasy what we know is that if we don't have the withdrawal agreement we will not have a transition period it will be 100 days until we leave do we think we already I think I've heard you say we are absolutely you're not ready and I won't actually until we do about the jobs I think it's very important no one should be complacent absolutely 100% we should have been preparing for no tea over the last two years but we are where we are when you say a big a big shock in the short term yeah that big shock could have severe consequences on people's lives are you willing to gamble on that experiment I'm not gambling on anything I'm saying what needs to be done on what doesn't need to be done it's about the government making sure that people are fully aware of the upside potential we the upside really does come through in the future but in the near term just as when leaving or voting to leave was a shock the economy proved resilient if you have a No Deal it's a shock but you in terms of coming back to your specific questions in economic terms it's very much about being prepared for it take the sort of supply chains that the auto sector talks about they've said that the supply chain from the EU will be a big shock to them but then one looks at the fact that one in three components in the supply chain come from outside the European Union they can handle that therefore why can't they handle the supplies this is delusion no solution is that I agree with you there will be a shock and I think we have heard from many companies in the automotive sector from J&R to Nissan to BMW you know to Minnie they're not having to close their plants immediately following the the brexit date because they are so concerned I know that many of them would move supply chains out of the UK at the cost of great number of jobs are you surprised that we've got to this point that we're even talking about No Deal I am shocked because this is something that businesses have said right from the beginning and it's getting more and more sharp there are a hundred and fifty thousand businesses out there that only trade with the EU they do not have the systems to be able to deal with the kind of customs delays and the tariffs you know six billion pounds of additional tariff costs 20 billion pounds of additional bureaucracy this is the kind of cost that our economy cannot withstand and should be not trying to withstand in terms of Terrace remember that we have the ability to cut our Terrace here's the opportunity in the future we trade on the WTO terms we go to terrace which are attacks on imports can be cut to zero the tariffs are highest on food clothing footwear which hit poor people hardest and on autos no one should be complacent a No Deal is a shock to the system hence we need to repeat the point to prepare for it but at the same time we need to keep the whys and the fears in context again it's a longer-term opportunity rollin WT overalls present an opportunity WT rules are so much worse than the current trading terms we have with with the Uruguayan Union because the tires are so much higher and the regulation and the barriers are so much higher so what are you worth a scenario we would face for example tariff barriers of up to 67% on land and we don't currently have no tariff barriers remember no-till is not crashing out or walking away it's making sure that we have as much in place between now and the end of March okay includes you've talked about different sectors just let's just take the dairy farmers in Northern Ireland it can be wiped out because of the tariffs under WTO rules holding in terms of tariffs it's two ways it's about terrace coming into the country so you cut the tariffs so tariffs and import can be a key component of different sectors so in the agricultural sector I think it's been highlighted in terms of farmers that they should be the sector that is helped in terms of any transition period sectors that are most exposed who cannot prepare fully should be the sectors that are given the systems in the near term to help them through what I think will be a difficult time for some sectors Carolyn vampires can't agree in Parliament which it looks like they're not going to are you heading towards backing a second referendum business has to work with the cards in front of it and if that changes if that if that world changes and the political environment delivers that as an option we will absolutely consider it and what would your advice to the prime minister be in how to break this deadlock in Poland if we have to face up to No Deal then Soviet and just as people were too fearful ahead of the referendum results in terms of the consequences of the referendum at the same time I often think Britain's biggest export is its pessimism the reality is we need to be more realistic about the near-term challenges and I think more realistic also about the longer-term opportunities okay Carolyn this is all project fair in the end if we crack out in March right here so many businesses and consensus across many businesses there it will really damage us we're gonna have to leave it there thank you so much to both of you for coming in thanks you

James O'Brien vs Boris Johnson's Irish border Brexit lies

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James O’Brien 28 February 2018

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you are an incorrigible delinquent at times save yourself and in a speech last week I think it was last week Michel Barnier the EU negotiator said in absolutely incontrovertible terms okay and and I don't want to have any arguments today I really don't because we're moving into the realms now where you can't argue and be like arguing about gravity but Michele Barney I said last week that if we pull out if the United Kingdom leaves the single market or the customs union then there will have to be a hard border in Ireland it's fact it's it's a fact that will not have surprised anybody who's kind enough to listen to this program on a regular basis and just to stress for the purposes of our conversation today it doesn't matter how you voted in the referendum we're looking at the country we will be sharing and inhabiting in the future more importantly and this is a very useful counterpoint to our news bulletins which quite rightly reports the Foreign Secretary's latest intervention on the Irish border but in November of last year which is what January December three or four months ago hey I mean the blink of an eye ordinarily in the context of politics I know a week is a long time but you take my point in November of last year the words that Boris Johnson used to describe the prospect of returning to a hard border this is November of last year this is the stuff we all have to agree has actually happened before we can start analyzing and debating the word he used was unthinkable and the description he employed was economic and political madness so in November of last year the Foreign Secretary stated that returning to a hard border was unthinkable and that to do so would be economic and political madness how could he say that simple because he doesn't understand the nature of the single market the meaning of regulatory alignment and the underpinning principles of the Good Friday Agreement why doesn't he understand it because he doesn't care why doesn't he care because getting his hands on the keys to Downing Street will not in any way be affected by his ability to understand or explain complicated issues it's about how effectively he can whip up certain sections of the country into backing him whatever the truth may be this is the truth in November he said it was unthinkable in November he said it would be economic and political madness and last night in a letter conveniently leaked on its way to the prime minister he said that even if a hard border is reintroduced it would not significantly affect trade across our land border with the EU so partly prejudices partly preconceptions park your vote on this issue this man is asking for your support and he's asking for your trust in the space of three months he has gone from describing something as being economic and political madness to describing it as having no significant impact upon trade he has to have been wrong on one of those occasions it's palpably clear he's wrong now uh-huh because it will have a profound and significant impact when he described it as economic and political madness he was actually right but he was right by accident because the question in Boris Johnson's head whenever these complicated issues emerge is how can I get out of this how can I get out of this if you give a wrong answer to a question you'll get crucified if you give a nonsensical answer to a question you'll just sort of promote chuckles and derision but you won't get crucified it's a brilliant if you pardon a slightly inappropriate adjective it's a brilliant rhetorical tactic it's a brilliant rhetorical device so yesterday when he was talking about the border between the United Kingdom and the European Union or between era and Northern Ireland whichever description you prefer yesterday when he was talking about it he attempted to say that it could be a bit like the congestion charge it could be a bit like driving from Westminster to Camden its it's a contribution of such weapons-grade imbecility that he gets away with it as you know a longtime student of Boris Johnson III died but have the the zeal of the convert as it were I voted for the fella to be Mayor of London and then watched from the journalistic perspective as he essentially conducted an absolute masterclass in deception dishonesty and obfuscation which should have come as a surprise to nobody of course least of all is his wives and various mistresses who could write seminars today on just how far you should trust this man but what he does is in a sense clever in in a diabolical sense it's like Trump with an IQ so he will answer the question in an utterly meaningless way because that allows him to continue to punt falsehoods the the only way you can continue to punt a falsehood without getting called out on it is to sound a little bit ridiculous or to just repeat repeat repeat the same slogans and sound bites so in November it was economic and political madness why because of the impact it would have on trade across the UK's land border with the EU in February as reality begins to bite it becomes something that would apparently have no significant impact on the land border with the EU so you would be I know we live in a time of astonishingly turbocharged cognitive dissonance but it would be psychologically intellectually and I think logically impossible to believe him on both occasions this is what I find so fascinating now you cannot argue that he was right in November and that he's right now because he has argued black and white he has argued city and United he has argued one in binary terms and zero he has actually managed to pin his colors to both masts in November he pinned his collar to the master that says this would be bonkers because he was right he just didn't see that what has happened today what is due to happen today with the publication of this document was always inevitable how do we know that because we sat here three shows running and asked from a position of some ignorance shameful ignorance on the part of people who inhabit the mainland of Britain we asked people in Northern Ireland in the Republic of Ireland whether or not they could foresee any solution to these problems that didn't involve either building a hard border where there is currently none or moving the border essentially to the Irish Sea the European Union has endorsed that position by stating effectively that if you are to not have a hard border in place then you would have to effectively keep Northern Ireland in the customs union and the single market when today Boris Johnson agrees with them although it doesn't look like that because what he's not saying is we have no choice what he is saying is our crikey looks like I got it wrong again on the hard border we are gonna have to build it because the alternative is to admit the truth that we didn't understand what we were doing but we still don't understand what we're doing but we're actively ill-equipped that we're swapping a three-course dinner for a packet of crisps either you start telling the truth now or you undertake epic u-turns you undertake reverse ferrets that give reverse ferrets a bad name and that's what Boris Johnson is doing and having had the privilege and the pleasure of covering this issue in more depth detail and knowledge and I would arrogantly argue anybody else in the British media I know what's happening here I know exactly what is happening here Boris Johnson is electing to contradict himself rather than tell the truth because he believes he'll get away with it and I think he's probably right I don't think anybody now is gonna turn around and say I believed him in November and I don't believe him now so I have to stop supporting him I have to stop believing him I think it's gone so psychological it's gone so colty now that it doesn't matter what he says he could literally jump out of an aeroplane with you and tell you that there's no such thing as gravity literally it's reached borderline trumpian proportions when he talks about shooting someone on Fifth Avenue and his supporters being so stupid that they'd still love him they still believed he hadn't done it that's where Boris Johnson is this morning so what question do I want you to answer well as ever we'd break city stuff any any question you want whether I've asked it or not but this is not about what you wanted to happen or what you want to happen or how you voted this is about how we have ended up with a foreign secretary who can completely contradict himself in the space of 12 weeks and still be taken seriously that's what I'd love you to explain to me if if you honestly believed that this could have ended up in any other way without either a hard border being put in place or a de facto reunification of Ireland in in all but name which is what happens if the border moves to the sea if you genuine to me last month the month before and thought I was lying or wrong or mistaken and you're perfectly entitled to think that of course you are but here's the proof that we were right absolutely and completely right and who's proved it for us Boris Johnson so on a psychological level I would love it if you could take a minute out of your morning and just tell me how you think this has happened either if you're feeling a little bit holistic to the country but what I'd really love to know if we can actually build these sort of bridges now if we can pour this sort of oil upon the Tapia stuff waters how do you think it happened to you how did you get so badly conned why did you buy into the Boris Johnson narrative when it was so obviously bogus how do I know it was bogus because in November of last year he described as unthinkable economic and political madness the thing he describes today as fine and why has he done that because the alternative would be to tell the truth and the truth is we either cut Island down the middle return to the grim and grisly days of Republican and nationalist terror Republican and loyalist terrorism or we essentially give the Republicans the victory that they murdered British people for which would be to make the island whole again three questions how can anyone be surprised by what's happened today oh three four five six oh six oh nine seven three who do you blame for the fact that you've been conned so completely oh three four five six oh six oh nine and three and finally and I have to put this up there because well it's crucial maybe still maybe there's there's there's a contribution you can make that would suggest that we haven't got everything right and that Boris Johnson can somehow simultaneously claim that black is black and black is white after all and it's it's not actually a question about brexit per se it's a question about the madness of crowds I think or the psychology of politics how can Boris Johnson today argue the precise opposite of what he argued only three months ago with regard to the border in Ireland either it will be economic and political madness either it is unthinkable as he said in November or it will not significantly affect trade across the UK's land border which is what he claims today in contradiction of pretty much every informed opinion on the planet I just would love to hear from you on how you think we've ended up in this place with this man able to do this level of deceit Ruth is in West Ham so hit the numbers now you will get through oh three four five six oh six oh nine seven three roots in West Hampstead Ruth what would you like to say yeah hi Jane I can't say you know what would make me still believe in Boston because I've never believed in them but I think mayor Cooper's do I have to do Gary's just been in charge they stopped asking us why we fell for it you fell how many times I've to put my hands up so I was a mug and I'd had enough of Ken hey guy and I'm sorry alright I'm really sorry I'm never gonna reveal the contents of my vote ever again because all ever does is come back to haunt you think I really want people to ring in who did believe him or possibly even some people who still do but and I appreciate that you don't I I think there's a monumental amount of saving face going on James I mean put it this way if we are wrong about brexit others remain those the worst we've got is egg on our face if we're wrong about it we'll be delighted not exactly I mean everything will be fair wrong they're gonna bring the country's arm with them Jane how could they admit to that you know it takes a monumental strength and I have seen people on Twitter saying you know I may be decision I you know I'm full remain now and you know fair play to them because it takes a lot of bravery to do the alternative is either to put pencils up your nose and underpants on your head and start shouting yeah a lot of them are doing or to say that I did actually vote for the de facto reunification of Ireland or I did actually vote to bring back the hard border which of course was last in place during the worst days of the troubles and and I don't know that anyone can do that I really want people who don't normally ring in any more to bring in because because that's the fascinating thing they claimed that they knew everything they claimed they knew we were gonna have to leave the single market they claimed we knew we were gonna have to leave the cousin gene they knew this they knew that they knew that they knew this they knew that they knew it all along is anyone gonna claim they knew that island was going to end like this well one of the worst things though James on the on the radio is one at LBC they said that Boris Johnson had been saying that remain are using the issue of Northern Ireland to try and frustrate brexit was one of the reasons that we voted to remain was to protect the island well I knew it was gonna be a huge problem wasn't he on the radio that one the TV last week trying to bring together remaineth and and now he's throwing another spoke in the wheel and trying to divide everybody all over well he has to he has to now I have to now portray people who continue to point out uncomfortable truths as being saboteurs or problematic where is what Ruth says is absolutely right if against all available evidence it goes well and remember that means we end up better off than we are now individually and collectively my goodness me I I will submit myself for up for a public stint in the stocks I'll be so happy you could help me with Rotten Tomatoes so that's the worst thing that can happen to people like me is that we get proved wrong by seeing our lives improve what's the worst that can happen to Boris Johnson well ultimately he's held responsible for the utterly unnecessary decline of our nation brought about by his own weapons-grade lies and if you need proof of it then here it is in November it was unthinkable economic and political madness in February it will significantly affect trade access or trade across the UK's land border with the EU why has he had to do this because it has become unavoidable and he has to now pretend that it's not disastrous in November before he'd actually understood this before it became unavoidable in November he could be honest and say that would be disastrous now he's realized that he's put us in a bus that drives inexorably and unstoppably towards the disaster he has to start telling the faithful oh it's not a disaster at all there is no other analysis of this I know how arrogant that sounds take it as a provocation if you think that there is John is in Hammersmith John what would you like to say oh yeah Boris Johnson and saying in November it will be economic and political madness and today saying that it won't be a problem at all which which time was he right putting a border in Ireland would be economic and political madness that's what he said in November it would be so crazy it would be in his words unthinkable and today he's saying it'll be fine so when was he right then or now in the first place the hard or soft border and everything are coming to you why did he say it was economic and political November why did he say it was economic and political madness then to do this thing that he now says today would be fine what do you things happened in his mind when do you think he was telling the truth because you believe him today when he says it's gonna be fine you believe that you're spectacularly wrong which is of course your Democratic prerogative so why do you think he's changed his mind I've changed that one because no that was far as I can see there's one or two people out there but actually turned the troupe about what would happen if we leave the EU if we're staying the we know what the problem is you're going to stay with the sinking ship yeah stay with the EU look at Greece look at Portugal in Spain look you've got a crib sheet in front of you do you know how the economies are performing compared to us now do you know what the predictions are for every single European Union economy even the ones that have been in the absolute let's not do the crypts let's not do that you get crib sheet stuff let's look at this now because the men have persuaded you that we are on a wise course are the men who are now contradicting themselves 100% why doesn't that give you pause my friend because at the end of the day the Tory party the Labour Party any politician European parts of the whole of it all got the hands in the same pot yeah ordinary everyday people so most of them are very intelligent and powerfully capable of understanding simple questions in fact so I'll ask you again the people who persuade people who persuaded you that this was a good idea are contradicting themselves so leave the remaining out of it leave the remains out of it John people who persuaded you it was a good idea or contradicting themselves every single week we're talking specifically about today's news so the men who persuaded you this was a good idea are now contradicting themselves how do you decide which bit of them to believe the bit that says it's gonna be an unthinkable disaster or the bit that says it's gonna be fine just you personally no one else no reference to understand the question completely you have now Boris Johnson the hero of the leave campaign saying in the space of 12 weeks it's gonna be unthinkable and disastrous and then saying it's gonna be fine in your mind John how do you choose which version of Boris Johnson you're gonna support the one that's saying it's a disaster or the one that's saying it's fine I just want to understand your personal psychology mission and I didn't lift adoption in all my life under and oh yeah now he's come on board as an Oxford representative as a politician I'm late it's a simple question how do you choose you do believe him John because you believe everything's gonna be fine and we're gonna leave and there won't be necessary necessity for a hard border except as soon as you're asked a question that actually involves examining and thinking you got nothing you start referring to the former MP for Oxbridge and the state of the Greek economy John wake up I suppose there is a third way the proverbial Third Way I'm asking how anybody can see Boris Johnson contradicting himself completely on the issue of the Irish border and retain anything other than utter utter derision for him and John in unintentionally perhaps suggested the the one thought I hadn't that hadn't occurred to me somehow will be able to believe in both times you believed him when he said it would be economic and political madness you believed him when he said it would be unthinkable to put a hard border in Ireland and you also believed him when he said it's all gonna be fine that's your kind of cognitive dissonance writ large Cameron is in Edinburgh he writes before last night James I wouldn't have had an answer to your question however after watching the latest Darren brown program on Netflix I like a bit of popular culture diversity having watched the latest Darren brown programme on Netflix that tests the power of social compliance by seeing if he can get an ordinary person to commit murder I think I can understand what it made me realize is that people in authority positions of authority still despite the best efforts of people like you command huge power when it comes to social compliance this is I think daf cap tuck fall off very smug territory isn't it as a species we're always more likely to go with the grain than against it and even more so when an authority figure is the delivery mechanism even more so in the hands of a charismatic which is obviously not always a good thing person like Johnson if Darren Brown can get someone to commit murder Johnson can get people to comply with a hard border on Island it's no big deal that's it isn't it I presume you have to either believe him when he said it would be to disaster or believing when he said it would be fine but actually the brexit mindset is perfectly capable of somehow believing both as long as you don't think too deeply about it Paul is in bhopal what would you like to say well I just think in your usual irrational way that you're overstating the case and being totally unrealistic which people well the case if you're having negotiations going to do when you tell me what I've been irrational about yes I'm just about to if you'd let me get on with it well Gorman thank you when you have negotiations the positions can't start off fixed and then remain fixed all the way throughout otherwise you'll never have negotiations Barney I moved that's right now would you just let me finish how's Barney I moved I wouldn't let me state most hours Barney I move would you let me state my statement well you've already said something that's not true no no I've got my argue are you going to allow me to finish yes poor carry on thank you otherwise so what happens is this the UK position is that they want to preserve 2/3 border with Ireland that's it if the EU if the EU were prepared to accept something like that in other words to modify their rules to suit the conditions of their own Member State Ireland that might happen if they Eve show no intention of doing that then you have to move to plan B and for for Johnson to conduct to a state what is the objective and that is an objective which is also a public objective and then then deal with the alternatives if the EU aren't going to play ball it's just rational thinking and I don't see how anybody could expect anybody else to do otherwise let's begin with your first statement that it's a negotiation and that means everybody moves how was Michele Barney's position on the Irish border changed since he first laid it out 18 months ago well I changed irrationality is a description of facts no what I'm saying is David I know what you're saying I gave you lots of time to say it and now we're examining it so your first statement was that I had been irrational I'm gonna park my ego and not insist that you explain how that's gonna be a big job silly so let's look instead at what you said about negotiations Michele Borneo's position last week and last year was that if we leave the customs union in the single market there is no earthly way we can avoid having a hard border or moving the border to the sea you said that positions changed during negotiations I would just give you one opportunity now to explain how his position has changed F okay well you formally there his position hasn't changed which shows aren't problem negotiations no it doesn is is contractually binding it's the nature of the Good Friday Agreement that says it cannot move to me and I've allowed you to insist on talking even though you've got nothing to say another loudly personal so here is the question now okay how do you have identical economic conditions on both sides of the Irish border are you asking me nope all I'm asking Andy Pandy okay sorry drop me in from the conversation no point I'm the point I'm making is my point the question is this how do you have identical economic conditions on both sides of the Irish border how do you make that happen Paul well you have you have some sort of compromise whereby as a sort you can't compromise the Good Friday Agreement for you have compromised an electronic border it is not beyond the wit of man in the UK to agree you've just reached for that says I'm telling you that we cannot sustain the Good Friday Agreement and brexit in its current form without either building a border in Ireland or moving my friend people to have their future governed by in to tell me that I was being irrational about the Irish border and you conclude the conversation by saying actually you're absolutely right it's an utterly insuperable obstacle but it shouldn't stop us from leaving the European Union because some renegotiation of the Good Friday Agreement yes have you read the Good Friday Agreement we read the bit about renegotiations in the Good Friday Agreement holding because of the existence of the Good Friday Agreement no we cannot have a hard brexit that involves you leaving the customs union and the single market because of the good you're now saying is that the EU refused to change that to change their rules or to modify their rules to suit the special case of Ireland and on that basis that means that the Good Friday Agreement can't be changed and that means because the Good Friday Agreement can't be changed the UK cannot leave the European if you did I just said no you said is that what you're saying I said no does that work in your head as an answer does that work is in your head is an answer no but I'm going to insist on speaking now because here's what you've done okay you phoned in to say that Boris Johnson is somehow embarked upon a very sophisticated and clever negotiating process you've ended up by acknowledging that there is no solution to the problems that the Irish border presents that would involve retaining anything that remotely resembles what we've got now you've added to that the idea that somehow I'm suggesting we have to stay in the European Union because of brexit because of the Irish border which is simply not true and the only question I have for you is this how do you have identical economic conditions on both sides of the Irish border pull-pull-pull you have to listen to me because otherwise you just make all these weird noises and none of us ever learn anything this simple instruction is this identical economic conditions on both sides of the Irish border one side is in the customs union and the single market one side is in neither now make that work arrangements which will allow describe how does an electronic board attest the milk to see whether or not it's infected or not as an electron in order to count the amount of barrels in the back of a lorry how does an electronic border know whether I've got guns in my boot milk isn't infected you don't have to test him all the milk all the time you'd not all products coming to work not everything is tested all the time not assembled is tested everything I've said is true how are we gonna have identical economic conditions on both sides of the Irish compatibility compromise of course you've been doing you're absolutely done but you have no minutes five minutes five minutes to describe the electronic border go on I'm sorry yes you're inventing the difficulties because you do because I'm inventing the difficulties that Boris Johnson described as Unsinkable economic and political that was that was that was because that is the UK negotiating means that's what they want the that's what they want the EU to agree to but the EU are not using on it therefore plan B is some form of electronic border let's let's just agree on that where the electronic border is the new unicorn am i right yes forewarned is forearmed so the new unicorn is electronic border that's what people will say when they're asked how the hell we can continue down this path to chaos and oblivion I'm a native course from Northern Ireland can we free up a phone line or two for that please and of course in response to the claim that everything's going to be fine there'll be an electronic order all you have to do is point out as alex is just done in a tweet to me you can't even walk out of Waitrose with a trolley full of goods that can be electronically scanned at the border between Waitrose and the pavement you have to individually scan every single item in your trolley in order to know how much you have to pay to do your shopping the idea that we can bring in some sort of electronic monitoring system like the Oyster card or the congestion charge well we're there aren't we I was about to say it's absolute madness the likes of which we've never seen before but we've been staring this sort of madness squarely in the eye for the last 18 months and we're not about to stop anytime soon Dave's in Derry there you go your wish is my command in there in in in Northern Ireland of course Dave what would you like to say hey James and this is like a kind of car crash for me a slow-motion once that's living on for years now I'd say at least two years ago yeah even further back I was having these arguments with brexit ears just like you're a previous caller Paul and and it's so frustrating because everything is Johnson embarked on a really honest and transparent negotiating process well Michele Barnea just keeps saying the same thing that looked like fact and we'll have an electronic everything will be what else did you say get on with it it's my fault if it's my fault I'll stop talking and everything the issue is credibility I mean you were talking about new unicorn being the electronic order yeah well the old unicorn was this treaty that supposedly predated the Irish and British membership of D U that was going to solve all these problems and this is the argument I had two years ago with every breaks that are that I had contact with on and offline about this that I'm they were lecturing me on this stuff English people and I've been here for the troubles I've been here for these absolutely painstaking negotiations to the good fried agreement we thought it would never happen and and then the now the fragile peace because it is a fragile peace that we now have and and then these guys they just do want to throw it all away and it's fig leaves now isn't it so this is the astonishing thing that Johnson is the patron saint of is there anything now that I can use to cover up my private part is there anything I can use to cover up my nudity my nakedness anything at all because the bus hasn't worked the claims that somehow they need us more than we need them hasn't worked the claims that our economy will improve hasn't worked but but I need something Island has made it almost impossible to cover up your privates but this dread phrase electronic board I feel sorry for Paul I know I got a little bit irate with him let's go he was very rude to me I reserve the right to be irate with rude people but the poor man is so desperate now that he's saying electronic border he has no idea what it means he even admits that if oh it's complicated we need this and he is not alone by any stretch of the imagination they are still desperate for a fig leaf all of these people I would make a comparison between you know Moby Dick Captain Ahab there's a kind of almost kind of suicidal rush to destruction because an obsessive this whole brexit thing it's like there's an obsessive vision here that somehow when we get out of the you it will be some kind of utopia and they don't want to look at the details from electronic way why they want your neck in May we leave its electronic checking but everything's gonna be finished and the next I can guarantee the next the next argument will be why does an Ireland leave do you don't be the next thing I can guarantee you know so there's three things going on here these are the three cards that you hold if unfortunately you'll play snap while the European Union are playing bridge but the three cards you've got are well island I'll leave and everything will be fine electronic checking everything will be fine or the European Union is gonna go down anyway so it's better off than there namely a sinking ship near me near me yeah well I'm kind of lost I despair and now it's gone through this stage because I am I just listened to that argument with Paul you know and that's just like a reproduction of any arguments I've had the last three years ago practices the same people it's like they stick their hands in their ears and they just need to have that fig leaf you need to have that NHS they need us more than we need them German cars the funniest one lately has been this ludicrous attempt to claim that we're leaving the European Union to help poverty-stricken African coffee farmers again an absolute heap of nonsense but anything at all that allows them not to say oh sorry that's it isn't it anything anything is better than admitting I was wrong that's where we are now well they won't because the end result is this kind of utopian English staying outside outside EU that's the vision and they don't want to see anything else they don't don't care the notion of the notion of controlling our borders by having electronic checking that won't check everything but these people have gone from thinking that controlling our borders was the most important thing on the planet to saying oh well actually now we don't really need proper controls we can just have I don't know what they think an electronic border is mm-hmm I don't really know I've got a switchboard full I've got I've got facts and coming out my ears you know and I've just got this growing sense of despair that all of these people and blesses cotton socks despite this unnecessary rudeness um Paul is there at the front of the queue complimenting the emperor on the quality of his robes lovely robes Emperor really lovely ropes and Dave's at the back say hang on he's not got any clothes on and I'm standing next to Dave guy well everyone can see that and they say no look there's a fan of their things he's got lovely robes on electronic checking what's the name of the emperor's new clothes is electronic checking the unicorns aren't coming the fisheries have already said that they indicate a grin to be in particular they want to put a brake on they don't want to opt out of anything we're seeing it again and again and again and again but ego ego ego coupled with prejudice and xenophobia makes it impossible for people to turn around and say sorry I was wrong which leads us to a place today where Boris Johnson in the space of 12 weeks can move from describing something as unthinkable economic and political madness to describing it as Oh it'll all be fine and we have found the new unicorn we've found the new blue Passport we have found the new fish and it is called electronic checking or electronic borders people who voted to leave the European Union because they believe that controlling our borders is of paramount importance and that they wrongly believe that it would be impossible to have a stricter regime under current European Union rules now insist that the Irish border is not a major obstacle to brexit because we won't need to control the borders very strongly after all and that's it again yet again people arguing that black is white and black is black at the same time we need to control our borders what about island oh not right now but fine we just died oh no use it be like an oyster card it Boris Johnson yesterday genuinely tried to tell you that crossing the Irish border should be like crossing from Camden into Westminster so if you believe that our borders are porous and that too many people can pour into the United Kingdom of British Isles from other European Union countries how do you feel about the fact that we're going to police it with an oyster cart oh no – sorry James stop you're making me think and I'm feeling stupid so I'm just gonna say words like electronic checking it is the new unicorn I'll take a few more calls from Northern Ireland if we can find them Oh three four five six oh six oh nine seven three and I mean it's easy to mock and sometimes people deserve it especially if they are rude themselves but don't again think that people like Paul they rang into I don't know what he rang him for actually but he rang in to argue that Boris Johnson was somehow right and wrong at the same time both times because negotiations if the foreign secretary is selling snake oil I don't think we should necessarily get cross with the people who are buying it it's not like this is some bloke on Infowars flogging brain juice this is the foreign secretary the level of credulity that you used to need to at least believe that a holder of one of the great Offices of state was operating in in good faith even if you disagreed with them politically even if you found their ideologies are unattractive you would at least acknowledge if you were a dyed-in-the-wool Tory that Denis Healey was telling what he believed to be the truth he would at least acknowledge if you were a died in art Michael foot type that Michael Heseltine was telling what he believed to be the truth or Leon Brittan you would at least acknowledge that even in the context of the Iraq war Tony Blair managed to convince himself that he was telling the truth history of course has revealed that he wasn't but you can understand how he managed to convince himself and brought out dossiers but to say in the space of three months this is unthinkable economic and political madness and this is absolutely fine if we still believed that there would be a point at which people could no longer sustain the contradiction at the heart of their vote this would be it I think but apart from saying electronic checking without knowing what it means is there any other answer to these questions that doesn't paint Boris Johnson as an absolute fraud a dangerous fraud and anybody who's still believing in him as being credulous to the point of cretinous column is in omar in northern ireland Colin what can you tell us a big fan hey your only man actually speaks any sense I mean that's my lonely task isn't it but from where you're sitting in Northern Ireland what what are the options there's only one option and you needed Ireland you know evil way the Carleton motion I see Bragg's waiver even if there's a soft border hard border there won't be no border because the people on tallien a will not Stanford I mean a bigger the border will cause a border pool and the majority of people voted to stay in it you don't need a DUP in their monkey referendums on both forgive me there are referendums on both sides on the Good Friday Agreement as well in that the numbers for that dwarf the result of the referendum so the idea that we can somehow start tinkering with a Good Friday Agreement while simultaneously arguing that the will of the people is sacrosanct this is beyond funny now it's contradiction after call what's important borders what are we gonna do an island not really have any kick just have oyster cot what's important yes they want to be I'm a sort of patron saint now I've informed frustration but is there no analysis at all that is I mean apologies for anyone in the morning and under World Trade Organization rules I'm 99% sure but like everybody else I'm on a journey that under WTO rules you have to have a hard border with checks on good but even with the WTO Ruth oh I don't better get in that's gonna be great I'm gonna throw they're gonna throw the unionist under a bus I can't see any other way this plays out if the if the people insisting that the Emperor's got lovely clothes on stay in charge they stay in the driving seat then the next argument will be well unlucky dup unlucky unionists getting out of the European getting the mainland of Britain out of the European Union is more important than than you yeah go wrong yet on this issue and part of me hopes this what I can't because they know because they get someone on to point out these facts that we're doing and then because they're so confused by the by the difference of impartiality and they have to get someone else on to say no the moon is actually made of cheese or you can actually have electronic and they don't get checked they don't get examined they don't get again when you examine them they fall apart but no one examines them so they get away with it and people up and down the country decent honest people are still swallowing it Brian is in Lisbon in Northern Ireland of course as opposed to Portugal Brian what would you like to say hi James thank you and pigma call really angers me whenever I get I hear English brexit ears phone and up and saying oh let's just change the Good Friday Agreement cuz we understand what the Good Friday Agreement I see stance mark no it stands for peace and I grew up in the troubles I worked as a policeman on the troubles I had family members murdered at work colleagues murdered and then II kept these idiots soon enough then let's just change it let's just go back to the status quo and if the tower start up again sure we'll just harming them dying or just at risk sorry we're talking over each other cuz the lines a bit a bit chunky gone no I think the people think that having a special status for Northern Ireland is a threat to your Britishness or for that to your to your idea of let's have a brexit verb John Johnny Horner we gotta get ready Johnny corner this whole idea is sickening that we in northern arms are just been treated as pawns trees a Manor people think that seems bare except of course for the 1 billion quid they gave to 10 DUP MP so that she could cobble together some form of parliamentary majority um Robert is at Bayern thank you I'm moving on cuz the lines not great and I want to squeeze in as many people as possible especially people from Northern Ireland phone lines are full but can we very politely knock off a couple of English people and hopefully fry up a phone line for someone ringing in from or more people ringing in from Northern Ireland oh three four five six oh six oh nine seven three there you have it another third voice from Northern Ireland describing this English brexit position of everything will be fine as as profoundly and possibly fatally offensive Robert is in Dulwich Robert what's going on I just need to ask you a question cuz I'm not sure about this I think just now there's a journey because a hard border solution is possible and I know you've got reservations there there are 275 border crossings between Northern Ireland and Ireland that's more than there is on the entire eastern border of the European Union it's not that I've got reservations about it it's that it's absolutely impossible and if we do come out under World Trade Organization rules which is what these idiots want then it becomes a legal requirement to have that hard border in place regardless of the Good Friday Agreement so anybody sensible and I will still take calls from in sensible people because it's important but nobody sensible is allowed to describe electronic checking as being anything other than complete pie in the sky now carry on well I just I just wanted to explore a bit more before we can say it's complete – guy but do I understand it to mean there'll be cameras is that what they were you talking about I asked by a piece of French cheese yeah that hasn't been checked that the board or anything like that but it has been checked and there's a dial expand it there are companies that do a random test at the farm where it's produced and then it can be sold in Europe so why not extend that to the case in Ireland if it's an Irish farm that makes some cheese and it goes into Northern Ireland it's checked it's been pasteurized or whatever it is they do and then on an electronic document the containing this stuff it can go through freely and the camera allowed it to go through 275 border crossings five border crossings and you're saying that you have some sort of overall check you know how many times a plaintiff guinness crosses the border before it gets to britain do you know how many times a mini crosses the single market borders before it gets sold in a in in a in a garage in this country I'm just asking because that's the whole point of technology also make some speeds are processes and you can deal with bulk data if you have these cameras on the 270 crossings how do they stop illegal immigrants coming in illegally just an idea well I'm asking you how do you stop legal migrants coming in from from how do you stop European Union citizens walking over those 275 crossing points in their Millions if you've got no technically people could just walk across but then you vote is about controlling our borders no no but then they get picked up by the system right by the system the system that we so broken we're voting to leave it here's the thing that is the general problem I've got in my head with this so I think well I'm not a hundred percent happy with the EU here look the EU has got this top-down one Fox one rule fits all type of thing and with Northern Ireland Ireland there's a history of the cultural sensitivity these are places which have rule of law so you can rely if you have an agreement and some of it there is an element for trust in there it'll work right it's not it's not about trust it's about laws it's about actual will of the people decided the law there were two referendums on both sides of the border like results came in in their 70s on one side and now you're saying we've got to change the thing they voted for no James I'm a clean but I'm saying that rule law was written down by men can be changed and in this case what I'm saying is if the EU can't adapt here if you can't see that actually when I'm looking at the no aligning case there's a special sensitivity there we're a caring thoughtful organization that wants to grow in all the rest of it actually in that case we can say we can redefine hard border organization that defines what a border is between countries that are operating under their rules and countries that aren't you you're also conflating the customs union with the single market a bit but that's the conversation what are you saying you're saying cameras everything will be fine because cameras people are saying that it won't work because there will be silence because they see can trees go up I think the program has said that Robert no one on the program has talked about violence that the rise of possible rise in terrorism is possible what we're discussing is how in the space of three months we've gone from stating that there is absolutely no prospect of a hard border while the European Union and we're saying all along if you leave the customs union in a single market we will absolutely have to have one and the people on the other side said they're wrong they're wrong they're wrong and now they're saying are actually they're right but it's not that bad after all and then you say but hang on Boris three months ago you said it was madness you said it was economic and political madness and you said it was unthinkable and today you're saying it's fine why because the other side's position hasn't moved at all they were saying this all along that's the problem that's the problem and the answer to that problem cannot and is not cameras and I suggest we hire a big red bus and take breaks at Azam Boris Johnson to the chaos of Vichy border crossing which is the EU southern border between Montenegro and Croatia during some points of the day it takes six hours to get through the two checkpoint there are of course 275 checkpoints between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland all of which if we have a hard border would have to be either manned or closed because I've realized that I've misled you slightly I I appreciate that we've established electronic checking or cameras or Oyster cards are going to become the new unicorn for people who yesterday were arguing furiously that we desperately need to control our borders today we'll be arguing I knew all along that the Irish border was just gonna have a camera on it we're not going to control that border our only land border with the European Union but actually Boris Johnson who is the focus of this morning's contemplations isn't offering that up he's actually gone beyond he's realized that fig leaf won't work that one will disappear eventually he's not punting electronic checking or cameras or any other nonsense confections like that which every single contributed to this program from Northern Ireland has essentially poo-pooed to put it mildly Boris Johnson is is is already punting the necessity of a hard border so he is already saying it would not significantly affect trade across the UK's land border with the EU that's the point he's not saying cameras he's realized that's not gonna happen which anybody who followed this property with an open mind and a functioning intellect has been telling him for 18 months including actually Michel Barnier and their own negotiators but denial denial denied if you if you achieve a victory through lying you can't then start telling the truth you just can't Brian is in Arma it's nice this every caller at the moment is coming from from the other side of the Irish Sea what would you like to say Brian hello James 9,000 miles very welcome James it's very interesting listening to the debate around the Northern Irish border on possible solutions and I think it's a a circle that compass words and a lot of people in north and I would feel the same way if you can imagine both ends of two ends of a spectrum at one end you have the DUP and then at the other end you have Cynthia no DUP want to remain part of the United Kingdom and that's at all costs unshin fee and monks obviously needed items what the Good Friday Agreement did was at which one to the vote for the people of North read that at yeah both sides what the great agreement did was it took away the whole question off the border and being part part of Europe took away the whole question of the border and people were living happily in the status quo until the referendum and what it has done is it has same thing in England is that it has caused huge division were those that survived in the middle ground are now feeling the earlier that some are edging towards either once a day edu P or the agent towards the other side Shinji an analyst for common devices who are you where are you can I ask that do you mind which well I know geographically and historically where our marsuits but where are you on this horseshoe where are you on those sort of champagne DEP needle asking that in Northern Ireland is a slightly more loaded question than it would be for those of us merely observing from the other side of the sea but I am keen to know yeah I think as you can imagine ask one time there were do you pay you you pay Shenzi and SDLP for example yeah what you had was you had moderates voting for you you pee on SDLP and then there were those who voted for DUP who were opposite thoughts a to the spectrum and then there were those at full efficiency and without say the spectrum yeah I personally don't fall 2011 James I I'm honest and I do want to remain part of the United Kingdom but what braixen is doing and I'm not sure if deep here what others and through their stamps they're probably listening are united I don't know I'm hearing from almost everyone I don't know what the DPP's position is specifically on this border issue I know that there may about the interference of Brussels in the internal affairs of the UK which is a sort of weapons grading probably a deliberate ignorance of of the realities and the issues if I were to make an overview having now had the privilege of having a lot of callers from from the other side of the sea over the last few months I think that seems to be the consensus whether or not you're part of the movement from prioritizing membership of the United Kingdom above all else towards prioritizing membership of the European Union above the United Kingdom that's the direction of traffic isn't it that the people of Ireland Northern Ireland in particular because the Republic has made its choice are going to be presented with a choice between staying part of the United Kingdom or staying part of the European Union yeah yeah exactly and with all due respect I lived in England for a long time and went to university there exactly but with all due respect to the likes of Boris Johnson Boris Johnson just doesn't understand the psyche of the people of God Ireland he doesn't understand what thirty years of conflict has done and I remember who who actually said this but it was a quote that resonated with me when the Good Friday Agreement was signed and there was a couple of years you know with peace and whatnot and there was a commentator once said that what North Maryland needs is a generation of boring politics and that's exactly what we needed but we unfortunately are not getting I'm not saying to the Restless tone today the black suitor so trying to pin it as we've said all along you either build a wall as it were a proper hard border which Boris Johnson is now very dishonestly finally conceding the inevitability of all you move the border essentially to the sea and that latter process is the step the big almost irreversible step towards the reunification of Ireland correct I can't now this is what would the DUP say if they were here how would they argue it again you know what to be respectful to yes I appreciate that from rhetoric unfortunately the DUP I understand that they speak for an actress I appreciate that honor you know it's it's important to recognize that but when they're not managing to quell the fears of moderates in Northern Ireland as I said no question yeah and that would be in direct contradiction of a referendum result and the so-called will of the people yes that's where we're going to end up with will of the people depending on which people you were talking about the ones with my accent or the ones with yours and if it's the ones with yours then you can clear off we don't care about the will of your lot yeah we'll talk again by now you go Michel Barnier Michel Barnier on his feet describing how there's been no movement for the last two months so we're living in a country where the government can't do anything except breaks it because breaks it is so important and hasn't been doing anything we breaks it for the last two months also looking Island this draft text talks of a common regulatory area comprising the EU and UK in respect of Norfolk Northern Ireland being hereby established it shall constitute an area without internal borders in which the free movement of goods is ensured and north-south cooperation protected in accordance with this chapter which means the border between the European Union and the United Kingdom is moving to the Irish Sea and I can't see any other way this can unfold unless they build a wall they put a proper border back up in the middle of that country that had referendums on both sides of the border which gave an overwhelming yes results to the question of whether or not it should be brought down again so we are moving towards a place where we stop talking about the will of the people and we start trying to argue that the will of the English people should override the expressed will of Irish and British people in Northern Ireland that's why we're going I'm gonna carry on with this until Theo can bring us up to speed with what's gone on in the statement and the speech but only with callers from the other side of the Irish Sea I'm gonna be very strict on this I'm gonna double down on the growing popularity of this program up 26% year-on-year we found out yesterday at the company meeting so my thanks to everybody on the team for their help in achieving that but because my thanks for everyone who rings in as well especially the polls of this world we'd be lost without them but I want calls from the other side of the Irish Sea oh three four five six oh six oh nine seven three and for the avoidance of doubt I'm in London so the other side would involve just glancing at the board we've got a Galway and a couple of Belfast on the line we've had a know our Maher and Omar and a dairy and we will continue because we are playing with your future and so far we've completely ignored you sorry about that Susi's in Galway Suzie what would you like to say hi how are you alright I'm a bit cross because I don't think you get counted on my ratings listening in the Republic it's only boots actually shouted at the radio which is something I normally do it's just about your preview one of your previous callers and he had to point him I was devastated by the result of the referendum I just can't believe that this lunacy is actually continuing but he had a point about French cheese yes and he gave the example that he can't understand why it's so easy for French cheese you know to cross the border and hiss for him to be able to approach his French cheese french cheese and could it not be the same with that kind of electronic tagging system here on the island of Ireland and I shouted at the radio I couldn't believe the irony of what he was saying that he couldn't see but the reason why it's so easy to import French cheese at the moment because the UK is in a single market and the customs unions and I literally shouted at the radio because he could obviously that does not feature on his radar or anybody else's radar who is it like I sort of reverse engineering is it more that we have this and you can call it ideological or cultural or xenophobic or racist depending on where you sit on this or Exceptionalist whatever it may be is it just that the decision is based on impulse and intuition and then retrospectively you try and support that with evidence and ideas and that that's really where the whole living always been living in Galway for almost 15 years so I'm actually British and just the ignorance of my fellow citizens as this process goes along is continuing to surprise me and suddenly they come out with a faith in human nature or in evolution almost I just can't see there is no way beyond this impasse at the moment I'll be honest with you which Michelle Bonilla has been saying all along yeah they kind of because they cannot introduce a border because it's impractical they cannot have a border in the Irish Sea because the DUP will not accept this the DUP don't support it they will withdraw their support from the government the government will collapse apart from that no it's all good yeah and you can't have it you can't treat northern special and with a special case because Scotland will want to be treated with the dry self-contained region within the United Kingdom that voted to remain and recognises the economic damage that will be done by leaving will demand the same terms at Northern I don't want to be a special case and you can't blame them especially not Scotland independent Republic of London I'm Barney as meeting Michelle O'Neill and Arlene Foster next week is just broken in front very interesting do you think just if you had to put money on an outcome bearing in mind that you know as sanity is probably not on the table at the moment what do you think he's my man I don't upset you I I said the city December I said this is not the end when this all happens in December and every said that's great well will we part that now we'll move on to the next phase and I thought I said to my husband that is not going to be the end of that we're not going to hear the last of that the DUP will not allow this to happen and if draw their support from the government the government will collapse and and Tobin and Corbin speech earlier in the week and the very very cynical reference to a customs union which is just as pie-in-the-sky as a lot of what Boris Johnson and it's nice is saying as you continue to say it is just a bunch of self-serving politicians and they're backed up by people who don't know what they're talking about people who never even heard of the single market they don't need to understand things they just need to be took place they needed to have been explained the importance of the single market the customs union the Good Friday Agreement before the referendum took place and unfortunately that didn't happen and this is why this is such a well I wonder whether it's a fear of incomprehension which if you if you if you like critical thinking and you you have an open changeable mind you quite like not understanding stuff because you can sit down and puzzle it over and maybe not end up understanding it but coming closer and getting evidence and or you're fearful of incomprehension and you don't want to think about stuff because the world is complicated and scary so you will bite off the arm of someone who throws you a meaningless slogan that allows you to pretend that you understand stuff burr go make America great again yeah we're going our country back controlling our borders our money and our laws blue Passport yeah and electronic check an electronic check exactly yes and also you can't describe those people without being condescending that's the other accusation that comes flying back at you stop sneering how can you not snare a weapons great idea see what are you supposed to do join in exactly I say I'm so disappointed because I consider myself to be British but I also consider myself to be European but it's going to come to the stage now where I'm going to have to apply for an Irish passport because the rest of my family are Irish they have Irish passports so it's going to come to stage like as you just said this whole referendum doesn't just have implications for people in the UK it's having implications beyond that you know this having people having to make decisions there have been forced to make decisions that they don't want to have to make and with you should feel a bit better now you know you've vented I'm here for City we shall do it again remember you're only allowed on air if you're ringing from the other side of the Irish Sea and we can check we've got electronic checking Kieran's in Belfast Kieran I'll come to squeeze Kieran in or should we go to this we go to the break cuz a lot of people are worried about the snow we've got a lot to get through today God knows where the morning has gone and I know I should probably I could give myself another four years for being able to say I told you so before we move on from this but anybody who's been listening to this program on a regular basis will be supremely unsurprised by the latest events with regard to the brakes in negotiations of course there were plenty of people who I suppose do listen to this program and are still surprised because they didn't believe me more fool you here's the Amish would can you name on the brick well the mid-morning video presented James who said that there was going to be a border in the sea the Irish Sea aye modesty prevents me from suggesting that I couldn't see how else things could transpire except Eve that all the hard border the Boris Johnson is now pretending would be fine Northern Ireland has effectively been annexed yes this morning by Michel Barnier he is chief bracelet negotiator if he's going to remain according to this draft bricks it to give my frustration because it has to if you understand the Good Friday Agreement and the nature of the single market in the customs union it has to there is no alternative to this well the point that Michel Barnier is making today is that if the UK was to come up with another solution which it hasn't done yet whereby there are no border checks whereby there are no controls of any nature whether they be gantry's of cameras checking number plates of lorries coming in crossing the border on a frequent basis then by all means the UK can do that but they simply haven't heard back from David Davis the British secretary and his team it's extraordinary this document and I'm just picking out the mail people what the document is the documents are yes you're quite right the document James is what the European Commission want us to sign up to in order to have before we move on to trade talks before we move on to talking about a transition which is due next month and it will set the of the divorce now it contains everything to do with phase 1 in terms of EU citizens rights and and of course the divorce bill but the most important bit the bit that was sort of fudged back in December and now the European Commission is coming back and say well this is how it's going to be from our point of view is on Northern Ireland and of course the idea is and they've been very clear about this and they over adkar of course and the Irish tea shop has been very care about this and their point of view there cannot be any border controls because as you say James that would compromise the Good Friday Agreement and now in this document I mean it says there will be a common regulatory area comprising the Union the European Union the United Kingdom in respect of Northern Ireland is hereby established so so Island the island of Ireland becomes a common regulatory area area so Northern Ireland in other words because you have to have the same regulatory system on both sides of the Irish border so I mean one of my callers earlier just couldn't go yeah bless bless his corn socks then there's no alternative you either cease to have a common area in which case you break the Good Friday Agreement or you move the border to the sea which means that Northern Ireland gets all of the advantages of being in the European Union and all of the other parts of the United Kingdom that want those advantages like Scotland and London most obviously become second-class British citizens so this become yeah basically this is the ban this is gonna be Scottish independent and Scotland because of idiots who think they're getting their country back I don't I'm not making you're not no no I'm not going down it's got a writ I'll leave you to the protections you'll write on this one in terms of you belong four years makes me on Leicester City I fancied them for the Premier League the interesting one is the custom it's about the customs union yeah the idea when you bring in goods from outside the European Union and you pay one tax and of course what they don't want to happen is because they don't want to UK to establish lower tax controls and then you could import saying I have 1500 iPads from China into Belfast and we will put you pay less in taxes or 1500 chickens 1500 chicken from a man you could shoot they have 15 chlorinated chicken 15 times more cases of food based infections in America than in the European Union and then you'd get put them in a lorry these chlorinated chickens in Belfast and you drive them across into the European Union I mean he's yet again through so much of the time we spend together is dualist isn't it it's split into the likes of you and I finding this absolutely fascinating and discussing in detail providing people with the evidence they need to arrive at informed conclusions well of course I acknowledge in the existence of people who love being uninformed the furiously uninformed and then we remember this is our lives in our children's future yes so the problem the problem is changed for Teresa may see that she didn't win an overall majority in the election and you have to remember that she needed the member Ted yes Arlene Foster and the DUP and of course they're committed to that strong bind between Northern Ireland and a good result in the general election if she hadn't needed the DUP well she could she could if she'd had a good result result in the general election she could sign up to this document but she can't sign up this document then the hard braces would go not so we're giving Northern Ireland to the British people they perceived as the enemy and the rest of us here's our neighbor but if this was a breakup this was a deal breaker she could sign up to it this could have been the point if she had a working majority for her to tell Boris Johnson and his mates to get stuff she could theoretically she'd be she had the arithmetic with an overall majority should have the arithmetic to sign up this talk and she knows that this is inevitable she's known all along because she does seem even though she can never admit it in public because to admit that her job is damage limitation would be to admit the inevitability of damage which she can't do because breaks it means breaks it and fish and blue passports and electronic checking she knows this and that's why she called the election you got this absolutely right and I have to apologize for not fully understanding what you were telling me at the time yeah all right you agree quite so enthusiastically but you said it I didn't understand why you kept going on about the arithmetic and the metrics because we didn't know where her instincts were taking her we didn't know whether she was following the sort of mad route with Boris Johnson number or other intelligent informed route like Dominic grieve and you didn't need to whether she was gonna be telling Dominic grief to clear off while telling Boris Johnson to Clara she needed that majority to be able to disappoint one wing of the party and she ended up in in thrall to both of them adding in adding in which no one foresaw not even you the DUP somehow holding the balance of power exactly and if you had ten members if they were ten green but if there were ten green mmm peas or whatever she was in a coalition with limbs wouldn't work because of course but but if there weren't the DUP then technically there would be some way of doing a deal but the DUP ow absolutely committed Jane yes to that strong board that strong link that Kingdom so that is now gonna be the next big so I don't grow wide tweeted Arlene Foster a DDP leader and I said over to you I mean oh wait wait you know she's just gonna she can't sign up but that is that and that's the reaction waiting for Steve what's on in foster care she can't sign up cities she can't tell she can't go back to her constituents and say well you know I'm just very sorry but we've just agreed to become much closer to the Republic of Ireland yeah how does that work she got off office in a second and just to be clear that the lunatic fringe of breaks it will now start talking about the EU and I mean you used the word annex but you used it advisedly the EU is doing what it has no choice but to do it is observing the terms of the cottage cheese per single monetarists and the Good Friday Agreement yeah and it's protecting his own interests because what it doesn't want to do and it goes back to chlorinated chickens being imported into Belfast is it what it doesn't want to do is provide a backdoor into the European Union whereby we can cut our taxes because we're outside of the customs union bringing the business into the into into the UK outside of the customs union and then and then those those those Goods can find their way and see their into the European Union over the and then just glancing at my inbox for sort of alternative analyses there's nothing left is there You've goes Richard krauser saying we voted to leave it's simple they did the most fundamentally tragically inaccurate description of reality whereas of course because he's simple it works but there are people up and down the country James who you know banging their coffee tables going well why can we just can we just get out why can't we just get out and the answer is we can but the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would cease to exist well we can't because there's not the parliamentary majority because the VP you're a bundle of fun so if she had the overall majority she could have done it but because she's relying on the DEP I don't see how she can sign up this document so unless the Goff and DP and keys mate seriously I'm not love coming in for you let me let me find some oh now I'm gonna take ages to find it which will completely on my own Oh Gary butters I really appreciate the work of CEO truly insightful absolute pleasure to work with you over the last few weeks you you you've not only schooled me all you got Corbin exactly right and now I finally understand what you were blathering on about with the decision to throw that snap election thank you see how i shouid l wishes political editor an accredited this radio station you are listening to James O'Brien on LBC

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this is all our politics news debate an opinion from the heart of Westminster the UK economy has grown by 0.3 percent in the second three months of this year that is a slight increase that could back up after those brexit ears who say there's too much doom and gloom about economic forecasting but it's still been seen as a sluggish start and those who supported remain will point to the International Monetary Fund's downgrade of the UK's economic performance earlier this month so are we facing an economic slowdown as we head towards brexit join me to discuss effects that are the economic advisor at our Buffett banking group and co-founder of global vision Ruth Lee and the economist she's an economist another economist and former governors advisor Vicki price who better main welcome to you both so really is the economy slowing down and is it breaks its fall well it has slowed down and it's partly related to the present referendum and I speak as a brexit here who will get shot for saying that but of course after briggsie referendum the pound did fall quite considerably and it reached its nadir in about October that did mean that price is obviously picked up quite a bit which cut into real earnings but I would expect maybe and that had a knock-on effect of course on the real economy but I would expect towards the end of this show you're going to find that that effect of the lower pound is going to drop out of the inflation calculations real earnings will improve and then you should get some pickup in growth it does that mean that from an economic perspective a jobs and growth wealth perspective if you like greg's it was a mistake or is it mistake well I don't think so personally but I would say that wouldn't lie because obviously the firing of a commodity was obviously the falling pound has had an impact in the short run on consumption but I would expect it to have an some sort of offsetting impact on exports and given the fact that though major markets are growing reasonably well I would expect exports to pick up as well so it's on the one hand this and on the one hand there but and I don't actually think that growth would be that much different if it hadn't been a referendum versus I don't agree with that at all of course I think we were already on the path of quite high growth last year which happened even despite the referendum results but what we've seen right now is that there is so much uncertainty in terms of where we're going to end up with the trade negotiations the transition period and so on that you see already what is going on in relation to manufacturing and data production and construction it is extraordinary they despite the fall in the pound what we've got in the last quarter is that in fact manufacturing is shrunk I think 4.5 percent in data production manufactures are saying all the books are full because it's cheap to burn Britain well it's extraordinary the less I doesn't seem to be reflected in the official figures although exports have been doing reasonably well I mean what we've already seen of course that companies have taken you know actually increased their sterling price so that they could improve their own profitability good news because they've been able to hire more people I can reality what brexit has brought with it is this this that nor with some certainty in terms of business investment where people will go in the future are we going to have enough people coming into the country to fill the jobs that we really want it they're going to be a skill shortage and I think everyone is looking to the politicians to see whether there is a light at the end of the tunnel and businesses finally are beginning to be heard and I think we've seen a shift both in government in terms of Hammond and and others now talking about avoiding a cliff edge and if that cliff edge where to come then I would expect actually the economy to slow down even more and I could disagree entirely with visuals I think actually 2018 unless there is a clear sign that things are going to be very soft we can see a much more obvious slow down the economy than we've seen so far do you think the problem is not so much the fact that breaks it but the way it has been handled by the politicians I think an element but of course I disagree exactly I think she's been far too negative about the economic prospects and it's interesting over yesterday BMW said they were going to assemble we have you know so let's get things expected in bits and actually has held up reasonably well the last quarter of quarter one fingers were okay but I mean you both use the word uncertainty only that politicians fault in the sense well uncertainty is always with us but I think the general election result clearly didn't help if I may say so but I actually think now that the cabinet is getting exact together we've had all these squabbles about hard brackets soft brexit falling off a cliff you know W cetera et cetera I now actually think that they Philip Hamill deep office of the Chancellor's Jack I think his idea of having a proper transition arrangement between leaving which will be in March 2019 and when the new treaty actually comes into effect I think that has now been all and accept and a transition fad well it's been broadly scented by us and the Europeans talking about their lot that they were talking about it back in April if you look at the European Parliament they were talking about a transitional period in machs three years and let me clear a transition period would be one where freedom of movement would carry on and so above both Goods and who knows I mean that is all up for negotiation personally I don't mind what that the transitional arrangement looks like technically we would be out of the single market we're going to be out of the customs union but what else is actually negotiated isn't up for negotiation do you think the gun was getting back together no I do really think so I mean there's been some signs but we're still conducting remarks of course there been some signs that that that the treasurer is getting now stronger again that Philip Hammond is is able to push his thinking through but of course remember Phil Hammond always thought that leaving the single market has said so himself would be pretty bad for the UK economy and finally businesses are getting in the active to explain really but Liam Fox is up to a point Liam Fox is mouthing transition period others are talking about this too but I don't think there is any real understanding of what this transition period is likely to have with it such as ecj so the European Court of Justice can be very significant still and also what you can do in that interim period in terms of having any other arrangements or discussions to have any trade agreements with any other countries you're not supposed to do that while we're still going through this period so actually that becomes different longer in terms of getting to any finals we don't know that we don't know what yeah intervene or illegal they're out of the customs union start negotiating trade deals with the art of the single market stop be able to control immigration what the actual transition I can only repeat we do not know what that transitional range will be because it has to be negotiated and the transition of course is to an end point from your point of view does it need to be Britain at the very least remaining in the European economic yeah oh no everywhere else I don't think I think that's unquestioned questionings nope sorry it's unquestioning we will not be in the European Economic Area we will not be in the single market and all we're not doing crosses in we will not know well I'm very surprised to say that because what true know if that's why what I'm feeling because it's true don't know where this official period is going to be further comes you know no club the only point Tillich honestly no wait no wait a minute within the terms of leaving the European Union it is demonstrable possible not to remember the European Union and three in the European economy Economic Area European Economic Area no there was a single market we are in Norway Iceland Liechtenstein has been ruled out I mean by by the government never they can change their mind what wasn't I would take one I would take a ten pound bet they don't we will not be in the e that's a very small bet you think well I like a hundred hundreds and well who knows what will be whether you call it the EA or anything else I mean my my view would be that if if indeed the the government has got its act together and really worries about the economy we can still be in the single market still be in the customs union doing the sensationalism is never at the edges of your en base the area your engineer is no such thing isn't everyone you could see could be anything by then because who knows how long decision period will last who knows what will have been happening to the economy the meantime who knows what will be happening in Europe in the meantime so any of those are possibilities are there for Institute's but I have someone who is supporting the Liberal Democrats I mean there's been this change of leader from farm to table do you think that marks and acceptance if you like that Bregman is going to happen that it is not going to be reversed this side of us leaving well as far as I understand from Vince cables pronouncement so far I mean you would quite like to see another a friend and so so I didn't think that the reason abandoned there has very yellow people don't come back and say that really you know bricks it may just never happen so it's as far as I can see that there is a huge opportunity for them to be pushing for something that is actually good for the economy which means basically being as close as we are now to the single market and to the customs union and is through some agreement of course with the Europeans but that is what is going to be helping the economy the future otherwise I think we are going to feel slow down and no invest I'm in favor of having a close trade relationship once we left I'm not a and you know model days from the end of the piers fall off a cliff obviously thank you probably think we need it I think we needed today I do I mean we could survive under WTO rules but it would be far from optimal and that's why I think when to resume talks about a close relationship or trade relationship with the EU she's right but she's not very stable issue nobody was going to have to be I mean it to me the reading on the wall would be whatever the rights and wrongs of it there's going to have to be a quote something in the government's position I can consider I think if you read for the Clements mansion house speech and I do recommend that if I was not really no he's not but he looks remarkably like her he says that the folks galloped no I know Vicki have said I'm out here I'm trying to be consensual is that actually that Philip Hammond and the Treasury have actually got back some of its mojo I don't think there's any doubt about that it's now much more influential than it was before the election which is a good thing and if you read the mansion house speech which is quite clear where Philip Hammond is heading and I think he's now very influential in the government well I think that certainly is happening the good question is how long that will last but if you look at some of the of the data that's coming out it does suggest that that now they are getting rid with worried about what the economy would do so if they're looking ahead at whatever election and maybe treated be finally another alexa goes record levels on employment figures you enjoy killers and going on normal real term declines in pain yeah well as I was saying I think when inflation tape turns down a bit by the end of the the way real income earnings growth will come back and in the meantime you have one of the most buoyant robust labor market well look at the positives here the other day the real interesting thing is that all the increase in employment we've seen recently has been from migrants from being you they have taken the jobs which is very good new to the coming in help and and at well another coinage for a little bit further this is absolutely true being in the use allowed companies to develop their response to increase demand if you like in various areas to meet the demand of Europeans so what's going on right now is that Europe is growing very fast and the reason why our exports are do is in blue Elsa can go into Europe not to the rest of the world but to Europe so this is a suppose that failed region that we wanted to leave actually growing much faster than we are 1.9 percent I suppose point one time we got a V both back sick these predictions are right thank you very much indeed

Jeremy Corbyn: 'I'm happy to meet the PM' to discuss Brexit deal – video

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After a seven-hour cabinet meeting on Tuesday, Theresa May called for a short extension to Article 50 and offered to have cross-party talks with Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn to try to break the Brexit logjam in parliament. Corbyn has said he is ‘happy to meet the prime minister’ and that he would not set any ‘limits’ ahead of the meeting but that his principles ahead of it were to recognise the ‘needs of the people that elected all MPs to parliament and the need to avoid the dangers of crashing out
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but I saw it on the television this afternoon I listened very carefully to her statements and I've since read a copy of it and of course I'm very happy to meet her we need to have a discussion with the Prime Minister we need to ensure that Parliament has an opportunity to vote on proposals that prevent us crashing out of the EU in the end of next week but so far she hasn't shown that signs of compromise but I'm pleased that today she is indicated she will accept a view of Parliament and is prepared to reach out and have that discussion our basis is about protecting jobs protecting living standards and ensuring that our trade continues in the future and that we don't become some kind of deregulated offshore tax haven on the shores of Europe we voted for a customs union in the house yesterday it narrowly lost we understand the importance of it because that helps to maintain trade we will meet the Prime Minister we recognize that she has made a move I recognise my responsibility to represent the people that supported labour in the last election and the people who didn't support labour but nevertheless want certainty and security for their own future and that's the basis on which we will meet her he will discuss with the prime minister I don't want to set any limits one way or the other ahead of those meetings I want you to understand the principles on which I will go into those meeting recognising the needs of the people that have elected all MPs to Parliament and the need to avoid a dangerous crashing out however people voted in the referendum in 2016 whether they voted remain or they voted leave they didn't vote for lower living standards they didn't vote to lose their jobs and actually there's far more that unites people on both sides about the kind of society we can be than divides them

MPs vote down all four alternatives to PM's Brexit deal

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Britain’s exit from the EU remains deadlocked on Monday night after MPs failed to back either a soft Brexit or a referendum in sufficient numbers to forge a cross-party alternative to Theresa May’s Brexit deal. The government is still trying to build support for the prime minister’s deal, which has been rejected three times by parliament. Britain is due to leave the EU on 12 April without an agreement unless it passes a divorce deal or secures a further extension from the bloc
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Order! Order. I can now announce
the outcomes of the divisions relating to the United Kingdom's
withdrawal from and future relationship with
the European Union. In respect of Mr Clarke's
motion C, customs union, the ayes were 273,
the noes were 276. So the noes have it. In respect of Mr Nicholas Boles's
motion D, common market 2.0, the ayes were 261,
the noes were 282. So the noes have it. In respect of Mr Peter Kyle's
motion E, confirmatory public vote, the ayes were 280,
the noes were 292. So the noes have it. In respect of Joanna Cherry's
motion G, parliamentary supremacy, the ayes were 191,
the noes were 292. So the noes have it. Points of order.

Brexit: What is a customs union? – BBC Newsnight

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Brexit fallout: Ian Dunt gives UKIP's Lord Pearson a Brexit lesson

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Jeremy Vine Show 22 September 2017

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they're older you are an incorrigible delinquents at times maybe yourself man the speech seems to mark a slight change of approach or more than that really cuz of course she had talked about hard brexit and no deal is better than a bad deal maybe those days are behind us this is almost half a deal for some people the idea of a transition period will be a huge relief it avoids us crashing out with No Deal it gives businesses more stability and certainty and it buys more time to work on that decent final arrangement that everyone's hoping for for others though it's a huge frustration there are people who will just say get on get out and they will be pulling their hair out at the idea that the status quo could now remain until at least 2021 including the payments into the EU so today we ask is this a vital deal a transition deal or a total waste of time the only practical way to exit the EU or yet another barrier prolonging the process and stopping us getting the heck out 8000 to 88 to 91 email find that BBC car at UK were joined by Lord Pearson of ranek who is a UK peer who wants us out now and in dunt who say the editor of politics doctor at UK and says we need this transition period Lord Pearson first of all you think we should have said no well we don't need to say yes I mean all we need is continuing free-trade with a single market and they actually need that more than we do we want to take back our law and our borders and I mentioned we're going ahead with that and the help the point in all this of course is that the the Eurocrats only interest you know is to keep their failing EU project again and they don't care if that hurts the real people of Europe when you when you say the idea that we should pay for access to the single market when if we if they force us back to the WTO right they will pay 13 billion in extra tariffs for us and we'll pay five billion to them so it's in their interest for us to keep free trade with a single market that's the key right away sir you tell us or telltale Lord Pearson why it is necessary to have this transition deal the problem is let's say that we leave with absolutely no deal whatsoever now half of our Goods goes to the EU if you leave a customs union if you leave a singles mark a single market you will have those Goods checked at the border that means that when you get to Dover they have to go through they have to be detained lorries taken put to the side having Goods taken off sent off for testing to make sure they're in compliance and that stuff is profoundly damaging for businesses that rely on their ability to export there is a solution to this of course which is just that you extend the amount of time do you have for goods to go over the border while you finalize negotiations if you're someone who's selling agricultural goods in this country we have no checkpoints to send that outside of the single market that is profoundly damaging those guys will lose their business so it's not just some small political game it has actually persone consequence all right boys lives Lord Pearson Dover exams at Dover listen that doesn't make sense what we should we what we should be good enough to say to them is listen we leave existing arrangements for our trade together in the single market our free trade together exactly as it is at the moment what if they don't accept their interest to agree to that I mean they've also got six million jobs selling things to us we've got three and a half million selling things to them that's what we say we don't need anymore we'll come back to you is that we mutually recognize each other's goods by virtue of having the same regulators so let's say the European Medicines Agency right that has the jurisdiction for the way that we regulate drugs here as the jurisdiction for the way that we regulate drugs in Europe they know that we can send those products over because we have the same regulator if we leave it we are now a different sovereign country an independent country just like they've wanted but that means they can't rely on the fact that we've done testing up to their standards in order for goods to go across that is simply the way that that works there's no point of saying I wish it was otherwise because those are simply the rules of the customs union Lord Pearson why are we incapable of putting in the same rules as we cross at the moment we don't have a regulator to do it is the bromine that's a sort of detail train them up you have to set up those systems that takes a lot of time Lord Pearson isn't the issue that we at least we've got to talk about this stuff and sort it out because I'm not sorted we can't do it yet well I think we can actually if we we are we've offered the mutual residence for there three six three point six million people living here 1.2 of us living there that was very generous they turned it down we give them 20 billion a year in cash and they give us back 10 so we're giving them 10 billion a year net I mean if the price of all this is to say ok we'll go on giving you the 10 billion a year net for the two years until the end of your present budget your multi annual Framework Directive I mean I can't judge whether that's a good deal or not let's just talk about free trade yeah our free trade to continue and and allows our mutual residence then the real people of Europe and it's only the Eurocrats who are determined to keep this failing project afloat who are getting in the way of the real people of Europe okay thank you in done let's talk about this transition deal we think it is going to be ten billion euros not sterling so it's it that seems to be the difference in the currencies is the it makes it a tiny bit cheaper it doesn't look like a very good deal though does it really was a completely fair deal to me look you work for the EU works in seven year financial frameworks right so we signed up to the seven year financial framework that runs until the end of 2020 now if you're going to have a deal where we are using the same regulators we should be paying in to keep those regulators running because we are relying on them European Medicines Agency open-skies just one billion and which makes sure that planes don't crisscross in the sky there are dozens dozens of regulators from plant patents to the way that by aircrafts were to aerospace now if we want to still be a member we still pay into the infrastructure of keeping that in place I've got to say a few years ago Vince Cable spent 50 billion privatizing Royal Mail on a continent but people losing their mind about that quite wide 10 billion now it seems an incredible amount to make sure that people that work in manufacturing and agriculture in Britain keep their jobs is very baffling to me and the Lord Pearson 1010 billion we pay them net holiday is the annual salaries of 1000s is everyday this is big money and we really don't need to spend that sort of money to get the technicalities of the mids and agencies and stuff to allow it to go on as it is I mean you sit down you just organize it in a fortnight can you say there is one interesting thing here which is that the longer you give businesses to to prepare for the exit the longer time they have to actually leave the UK and if we did it you'd like with the click of a thing somebody's fingers they might have to stay here this is the exact opposite in fact the businesses the look at the guys and financial services look what Lloyd's of London is just done with insurance moving their things over to Europe they do it because there's no certainty of continuity that's the reason that they're leaving they've gone 18 months or so without any certainty so they had to start packing up and going the best thing you can do to keep businesses here is to offer them that continuity and that is why Confederation of British industry supports transition the trade union Congress supports transition that is why there is something much consensus for this to offer people certainty so they maintain their investment in Britain so we'll get we're gonna have the next election Lord Pearson fought on do we really want to leave aren't we well if our politicians and bureaucrats continue to make the frightful mouthful their making of this thing at the moment I suppose that possibility though they can't obviously see the forest for the trees and they don't seem to realise that we hold all the four cards isn't it when you when you talk like that it may know that the EU you see the EU is so grossly incompetent but they but they have it sounds from what you're saying as if they have negotiated with a kind of brilliance which you don't credit them with well that's because we've allowed them to do it we should simply sit them down and say look we offered you mutual residence before Christmas you turned it down and because we said we wanted there are three and a half million people to have continuing residence here but we wanted the 1.2 million of our people living there to have the same thing we were using their people as a bargaining chip I've gone through the trade position we hold all the cards we hold the cash because we needn't give them this 10 billion here if we don't want to the treaties say we're out of it and of course there's security where we are members of the five hours and they're not and of course we'll go on giving them that our position is incredibly generous towards them it's the uric rats who are trying to foul it up and our lot I'm afraid not being clear enough and clean enough in the negotiations we end up why are you laughing I'm laughing because we don't hold all the cards the Europeans I don't agree I don't think that they've been so wonderful they have been really onion unimaginative really legalistic really strict and you know not particular inspiring it's just that they are out maneuvering our team because our team are an absolute shambles of incompetence the people agreement that on all sides the kind of incompetence is actually displayed by what you're hearing from your other guests I mean he's saying that we can set up an entire regulatory infrastructure across the economy in two weeks now no one serious believes that that could be the case and because we have exercised these kind of myths this kind of idea to make ourselves feel better about what we want as opposed to what is realistically deliverable that's why we have put ourselves in the place where they hold such considerable leverage over us thank you very much in dunt is the editor of politics doctor at UK and once this long transition period screenhouse by Teresa may after 2 o'clock Lord Pearson of ranek just says we should clear out now

Jacob Rees-Mogg and Anna Soubry clash in the Commons

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Former Conservative MP Anna Soubry has challenged staunch Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg on his changing position on the Brexit deal. Jacob Rees-Mogg hit back by saying she is in favour of multiple votes – except when she leaves the Tory party, by which she was voted, to see if her constituents still want her as an MP. . Report by Habiba Khanom.

there is an interesting boy the Honourable gentleman raised it's about the Honorable gentleman talked about courage of convictions could he like to tell the house why it is that a few weeks ago he voted against the government's withdrawal agreement but on Friday he voted for it and why he's entitled to her vote and to change his mind but the people of this country are not allowed to change their minds and other people's vote I'm deeply grateful to the right honourable lady for intervening it is much appreciated because it allows me to point out to her but the right honorable lady the foremost campaigner for a second referendum the right honourable lady who favors votes at every opportunity except when having stood as a conservative she does no to her constituents to them to decide whether they wish to have somebody who has their coat as their what if the right honourable lady wishes to appeal for the children hundreds I will of course give way yeah I think it is important to record that of course the majority of people in brock's though did not vote conservative and like all Honorable a right honourable members I seek to represent all my constituents as we should all do putting them in our country before narrow sectarian party interest mr. decide mr. speaker what was it that the later hound beckons field said of mr. Gladstone a prolix rhetorician inebriated by the exuberance of his own verbosity i would not dream of saying such a thing about the right honourable lady let me return let me return to the motion in hand which is discourteous to you mr. speaker does not allow sufficient time for debate I won't give way again because others with my apologies is discourteous to you limits time for debate and is fundamentally against the Constitution

Vote Neil Hamilton Vote UKIP 4th April 2019 & MAKE BREXIT HAPPEN

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'Have you read it?' Diane Abbott RIPPED APART in most excruciating interview yet on terror!

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DIANE Abbott faced a series of bruising interviews, facing ridicule over her knowledge of a terror report in the wake of the London Bridge attack.

The embattled shadow home secretary was taken to task by Sky News presenter Dermot Murnaghan during an embarrassing interview.

In a grilling, the presenter asked her about the Harris Report, commissioned by Sadiq Khan in 2016.

The report outlined 127 recommendations on how best to deal with terrorism.

It has come back to the fore following the devastating attack in London Bridge at the weekend when three jihadis rammed a van into innocent pedestrians leaving seven dead and 48 injured – including 21 critically.

But in another embarrassing interview, Mrs Abbott seemed unaware of the report.

It was an alarming prospect as she could be home secretary in just four days.

During the interview in which she stumbled over her words, Mrs Abbott said: “I know he was talking about preparedness and resilience. I think we should act on it, not necessarily all of the recommendations.”

But when she was asked to comment on the specifics, she appeared not to have even read the report.

Mr Murnaghan pressed: “What do you think about the recommendations about various police forces? That they should work closer together?”

The presenter replied: “No that they should amalgamate. Have you actually read it?”

Ms Abbott said that she had read the report but appeared unsure on what was in it.

This is the latest in a series of terrible interviews for the Labour MP in which she appeared shaky on the facts that she should know in her role as home secretary.

She also faced a grilling at the hands of Channel 4 News’ Jon Snow over the reaction to the terror attacks.  

The journalist said: “Diane Abbott, let’s just be quite clear about this. You and Jeremy Corbyn appear to have been on a journey, you started out on this campaign more or less anti-Trident – although tolerating its continued development – and you’ve now passed through an extraordinary pain barrier which has you backing shoot-to-kill and, indeed, calling for more armed police!

“This is not the old Labour shadow home secretary we knew of old…”

Ms Abbott, who had previously been criticised for not offering interviews in the wake of the attack, claimed it had always been Labour Party policy to allow the police to use “maximum force where peoples’ lives are threatened”.

The shadow home secretary said: “I am here on the fields of City Hall, having just attended vigil. It was a very moving occasion and I think the people of this country and the people of London want to give their support and sympathy to the injured and sadly to the tragic victims.

“On the question of my position, or the Labour Party’s, on shoot-to-kill, it has always been the position that we believe the police can use maximum force where peoples’ lives are threatened.

“There is no question on Saturday night in Borough Market that peoples’ lives were threatened – of course, you had to use maximum force.”

Seven people were killed and 48 more injured when three terrorists launched an attack on innocent people on London Bridge and Borough Market on Saturday night.

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some of the things he said in there were prescient and should be acted on they haven't been acted on yet I think we do need to visit that report because I'm doing which a part of it well I just think it's about preparedness and resilient we might make some very specific recommendations yeah I haven't been acted on do you know what they are well I know I mean he was talking about preparedness and resilience and I do think that we need to act not really on every specific record but you remember the report came out only in October 2016 the the mayor the newly elected mayor Commissioner it came out in October 2016 and law Toby Harris had some bullet points yes that's what I've read through I mean what did you make of those the specifics I thought because I noted because he's a very absolutely very thing that I'm very fella blown inquiry I'm necessary in review I thought was an important review and I think we should act on it but obviously working with Secada why should we act on I mean you know what do you think of the recommendations about the various police forces in London you mean the idea that they should work more closely together no he suggested they should evaluate well I think that's an interesting idea but I think you'd find resistance in some parts of London to the amalgamation have you read a report I have okay what about the when you talk about what about the physical resilience again I'm referring to this because it seemed prescient hmm yes I mean I think physical resilience is important I think that but there was a specific aspect of physical resilience well I think that I think that it's causing it's simple yes or thing but the specific aspect was he talked about putting up more barriers in the light of the denise attacks he mentioned that in October 2016 yes we're now putting up barriers on our bridges and you you think we might have done that before particularly after what happens on Westminster Bridge but now in the past few days we've been putting up barriers on bridges

John Bercow explains use of casting vote to block Brexit indicative votes

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The Speaker has used his casting vote to block Brexit indicative votes after the first Commons tie in 26 years. Bercow said: ‘In accordance with precedent, and on the principle that important decisions should not be taken except by a majority, I cast my vote with the noes’
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the eyes to the right 310 the nose to the left 310 you the eyes to the right 310 the nose to the left 310 order in accordance with precedent and on the principle that important decisions should not be taken except by a majority I cast my vote with the nose the nose habit by casting vote 311 to 310 that is the proper way in which to proceed the rationale I say this as much with the benefit of new members as of others for the exercise of the casting vote is as I've said that it is not for the chair to create a majority that doesn't otherwise exist now the way in which the casting vote his exercise does also depend upon the stage at which a matter is being aired so for example it would be exercised differently or it could be and probably would be on the second reading of the bill where there is an important principle of encouraging further debate and it might then be used to send a bill into committee where it's not going to get to the statute book straight away but if it's the final stage of a bill the casting vote would be against and in a situation in which a decision would be made that a day would be allocated for particular business I judge that it's not right for me to make that decision if the house hasn't by a clear majority done so I hope that's clear and generally accept [Applause]

What does the EU Customs Union mean for me?

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What is the benefit of EU #CustomsUnion for EU citizens? This series of videos shows real-life examples of how customs helps every citizen in their everyday life.

the EU customs union is unique in the world it provides a common external border and removes customs controls between the European Member States the EU customs union saves you time when you order a pair of French shoes they'll be delivered to your doorstep in Lithuania without being stopped by customs when you travel from Denmark to Italy for summer holidays your luggage won't be checked by customs and you will get to your destination quicker it saves you money when you buy a new bicycle from a Dutch bicycle maker you can receive it in ljubljana without paying any customs duties when you buy Canadian maple syrup you can benefit from 0% tariff thanks to that Sita trade agreement now enforce between the EU and Canada it protects you customs can stop fake medicines from entering the EU they can also check if toys rather goods are safe to use when imported into the EU customs can stop the illegal importation of weapons and explosives that can save countless lives the EU customs union protects your business anti-dumping duties guarantee a level playing field for European companies by fighting unfair competition it protects our environment by fighting the illegal trade in ivory and by stopping imports of plant and animal species which may pose a threat to –use ecosystem you

Katie Hopkins SLAMS Lib Dem caller who says May will get 'nasty surprise' in the election!

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#LBC RADIO host Katie Hopkins lambasted a caller who believes Theresa May will get a “nasty surprise” in the upcoming General Election by saying there was little that could stop the Prime Minister from winning.

The caller, a #LiberalDemocrat, criticised the Prime Minister for her honesty over #Brexit and the direction she was taking the country.

But Katie, speaking on her #LBC show, was quick to put down the caller, whose wife is an #EU citizen, after he said other parties would work together to land a blow to the #Tories.

After listing reasons why he thought the Prime Minister had not been honest in pursuing a global Britain, Hopkins hit out at the caller, called Chris.

“You just gave me a random list of your facts about a #Spanish person and your wife and then you talk about Theresa May being honest,” she said.

“I don’t see a correlation between what you’ve just spouted off and what I asked, which was why has she called this snap election.

“Maybe you could answer that question Chris as opposed to the question in your head.”

Answering Hopkins question on Mrs May’s decision to hold an election on June 8, the caller said it was to “kill off” the Labour Party and other opposition, which was bad for democracy.

“It’s quite clear why she wants to. She wants to crush the saboteurs as Lenin said and she said, or the Daily Mail said, because she sees Labour as a weak opponent,” he said.

“She wants to kill it off, which isn’t good for democracy and I think she might get a nasty surprise on June 8.

“I think for a start there’ll be lots of progressives that’ll work together, #Greens and #LibDems working together.”

But Hopkins wasn’t finished and pointed out #LibDem leader ‘DIM’ Tim Farron’s comments today that voting Liberal Democrat was “not a proxy for anything else”.

She said: “They’ve already said that they won’t work together. The Lib Dems came out today and said categorically they won’t work together. Carry on.”

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you just gave me a random lists of your kind of facts about a Spanish person and your wife and and then you say you talk about to resume being honest I don't see a correlation between what you've just spouted off and what I asked which was why has she called the snap election maybe you could answer that question Chris as opposed to the question in your head well I'm having is quite clear one she wanted it because she wants to crush the saboteurs as Lennon said and she said or the Daily Mail said because she wants to seize the labor as a weak opponent she wants to kill it off which isn't good for democracy and I think she might get an honesty cigars on the 8th of June ah ok perfect Chris what's the nasty surprise going to be well I think the forest or there will be lots of progressives that were together greens and the Dems working together they've already said that they won't work together carry on well not necessarily well no the list ends came out without said College currently they won't work together carry on well actually Kate if you're involved in campaigns I think you'd know a bit more than I do you know I've lived a member retreat member and I think I'm quite involved it don't side you know what's going easily

Brexit fallout: May can't back her own Brexit, DUP spoilers and goodbye Gibraltar

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Bank of England forecasts…were wrong on every single count!

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WATCH | “The BoE’s forecasts…were wrong on every single count. This is a forecast for 15 years based on a variety assumptions that have proven wrong in the past.”

The great Jacob Rees Mogg rubbishes the ridiculous “leaked” government report.

Brexit legend Jacob Rees Mogg has rubbished leaked government forecasts that have been branded ‘Project Fear Mark 2’.

Mogg brushed off the document, saying it was “simply wrong”.

“You need to look at the record of these forecasters… the Treasury’s official forecast said that simply a vote to leave the European Union would lead to an increase in unemployment by 500,000-800,000.”

“The Bank of England’s forecasts that David Davis went through at a recent meeting of the exiting the European Union select committee after the vote to leave, the immediate impact were wrong on every single count.”

“This is a forecast for 15 years,” he says, adding: “based on a variety assumptions that have proven wrong in the past.”

Mogg counters the document’s scaremongering by referencing Patrick Minford, an economist at Cardiff University who came up with “very different forecasts” based on the UK being able to open its markets and move to freer trade with the wider world, which he says will lead to a “huge opportunity for economic growth.”

When asked about the ongoing row at the top of the Tory party over what should be done about Chancellor Philip Hammond, Mogg says “he has been talking about being in the Customs Union and a high degree of regulatory alignment – which is not government policy”.

The presenter asked whether or not the Prime Minister should sack him, Mogg replied: “It’s not for me to say who she should have or not have, but…a general lesson from history; when the Prime Minister and the Chancellor of the Exchequer are not getting on,  that is not good for the government.”

A very earnest way of saying she should sack him there, Jacob!

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well I think thing that's simply wrong you need to look at the record of these forecasters Bette bear in mind that the Treasury's official forecast said that simply a vote to leave the European Union would lead to an increase in unemployment by 500 to 800,000 and the Bank of England's forecasts that David Davis went through at the recent meeting of the exiting in the European Union a select committee after the vote to leave for the immediate impact were wrong on every single count and this is a forecast for 15 years based on their a variety of assumptions that have proved wrong in the past other economists such as Patrick Minford and his group at Cardiff University come up with very different forecasts because what matters are the policies that you implement and if the UK is to open its market to move to free trade to remove tariffs and non-tariff barriers reducing the cost of food clothing and footwear then there's a huge opportunity for economic growth and not a lower rate of growth when we leave the European Union we will stop having to pay money to the European Union that saves us net 10 billion pounds a year that's money we can spend for example on the Health Service we will take control of our tariffs tariffs on food clothing and footwear which makes up 21% of the average household budget much higher for the poorest people in society it can be reduced and those are for example 11 and a half percent or thereabouts on both clothing and footwear plus ba T so that's a large saving that could be made for people in their daily purchases that's something we know we could do it would be under our control so we want to deal in facts what we can do and what we can do to help raise people's standard of living okay but that's what you're predicting will gain it's still a little bit woolly as to what we will lose out on that's all going to come out in the wash bay well that's what I don't think we will lose out because I think membership of the European Union has been a trap that what it has done it has made prices higher by preventing more competitive Goods coming into the country but it's also introduced large levels of regulation that are not there for safety or on scientific basis but are there to make our markets less efficient and less compared and protectionist against the rest of the world okay so we don't lose by leaving

Brexit fallout: DUP wags the Tory dog, but EU Customs Union looks inevitable

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Brexit fallout: humiliation for Mogg's Dad's Army and DUP flexes it's muscles

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good order you are an incorrigible delinquents at times yourself the Prime Minister's chaired the first meeting of her new cabinet since the series of ministerial resignations last week they met as to resume appears to have seen off attempts by backbenchers to mount an immediate vote of no confidence in her leadership but her critics in the Conservative Party and her allies in the Democratic Unionist Party are warning that they will not vote for her brexit deal when it comes to Parliament expected in a few weeks time our political editor Laura Coons Berg reports number 10 can probably just about rely on the cat at least as long as he gets let back in out of the rain for a moment it seemed even relations with the chief Mouse catcher had broken down beyond that Teresa may is certainly looking for friends right now can you get the seal through a restless cabinet the Chief Whip though firmly onside she'll get the deal done and then in a few weeks home I've got a job to do in Parliament but his job all their jobs is enormous in an atmosphere that's far from friendly with the government's official allies whose votes it desperately needs now foes instead we will be voting along with many others in the Conservative Party and the no opposition parties against it and don't forget you know this is united remain errs and levers in the Conservative Party that's how bad this is and it was hardly good morning to Theresa May from this man once he found his Brawley Jacob Riis mark the leader of the Euroskeptics had this to say it is very hard to find anybody who wishes to see trees and they remain the leader of the party of the next general election although while he was able to put together a press conference to talk about customs he's not so far being able to put together support to oust the PM if you can't persuade 47 of your colleagues to write letters in the way that you have to try to unseat the prime minister then why should the public think that you've got the first idea of how to organize brexit the government is a deliberate decision not to deliver a proper back seat as polluters patience is about true virtue the grace etcetera which will see whether letters come into time five days though since they created a frenzy by calling for a vote of no-confidence is the brexit ears power now in doubt you have a reputation as being a fearsome organiser with respect do you feel a bit duck no I don't feel – after talking this group has a talent for causing a fuss but less ability it seems to sweep the prime minister from office they're not enthusiastic about two resumes deal but it's hard to find anyone who is the first minister was in Westminster's corridors of power today trying to create a coalition of opposition the SNP plied the Lib Dems and labor all hate the prime minister's deal can they find common cause instead we are fairly certain that there is a majority against the deal that is certainly a majority against nor deal in the House of Commons and that takes us so far but it only takes us so far it's no really important that we work together to come up with an alternative is there a building sense among the talks that you've had of something that you could gather around another referendum for example I think it's possible and I think we are starting to see the momentum good all behind that but MP is wondering how to vote and the rest of us wondering what to think we'll hear plenty of these warnings about no deal this would be a large negative shock to the economy no deal no transition okay which would be no doubt about that the referendum itself was a shock to most of Westminster system right now the Prime Minister can only hope her deal won't turn into a nasty surprise Laura Coons Berg BBC news Westminster now it's tea for two for tourism a and the European Commission President jean-claude Juncker in Brussels tomorrow but once the crockery is cleared don't it's about a handshake on a final document Downing Street said today cabinet ministers got a glimpse of those plans this morning at a meeting variously described as tense and on the other hand constructive in the Commons has mrs. May really dodged an attempt by Euroskeptic MPs to unseat her is the plot continuing our political editor Gary Gibbon is in Westminster Gary well a very different atmosphere around the cabinet table today from last week I'm told it was much less febrile everybody had ratcheted down the tensions in the room and when you look at that and the fact that Theresa May is off to Brussels tomorrow to meet Jean Claude Yunker the European Commission president not exactly sort of detailed negotiations I suspect between the term sitting with stubby pencils but nonetheless a milestone on the route towards this deal being firmed up you might think the stately galleon of the tourism a deal is making its way nicely into harbor but when you talk to people who were around the cabinet table yes it there wasn't the tension in the room as there was last week but privately people are having conversations ministers about what exactly does everybody do what will the policy be after Teresa mais plan is defeated you hear people being resigned to the idea of defeat and Nicola Sturgeon the Scotland's first minister when she was wandering around Parliament today was meeting up with leaders of the smaller parties like Vince Cable who you just heard from trying to work out what policy they should all unite around and maybe get labour united around as well in the event of a defeat so it's still that possibility of defeat hangs very very heavy in the air and people seem to be thinking that some sources that that vote could come in the beginning of the second week in December so not that long to wait here's how they went here the well-mannered assassin is still trying to stir his accomplices Jacob Riis Maud was at launch of the latest brexit group paper explaining why no one should fear leaving the EU without a deal mr. Reece mod warned colleagues who can't yet joined his uprising against her resume it could be stuck with her for years if they don't act now getting the 48 lettuces trained to be quite difficult so the idea that in a year you just repeat the process and then she'd gay at that point I don't think that's realistic I think it is now well the Prime Minister will leave the Conservatives to the next election and you find MPs privately who will safety they think that's a really good idea in any number might be quite surprised cabinet ministers including the new brexit secretary met this morning one said there was little pushback about the deal it was like the steam had gone out of it she flipped last week told ministers he thought the DUP MPs would abstain and the vote would get through this week on minister said he spoke in generalities it's really exciting week and I think family's gonna have a very busy time there's a possibility of renegotiation part of the withdrawal agreement or is it only the political focus on getting the deal done she'll get the deal done and then in a few weeks time I've got a job to do in Parliament in the last few days former ministers have been calling in here urging a rewrite of the whole deal current ministers trying to get tweeks to the language in the political declaration about the future relationship but could some redrafting win over backbench rebels might they crumble if to resume puts the vote a second time after a defeat I'm too old old battle horse to be persuaded by bits of paper it's not gonna swing you to burn you off and and neither is the pressure if she loses the first bit and comes back a second time which continent very crazy really extremely push it's live it very much under consideration at the moment that's like it's like the European countries or Ireland who came back for a second referendum is crazy I mean if you lose the votes you lose the second player to by bigger amount I suspect in a very foolish doing it Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon was allowed to slip into a Whitehall office to read the latest draft of the political declaration before meeting with the leaders of the smaller parties in Westminster offices the SNP big-footed the Lib Dems out of after the 2015 election well obviously I was given the opportunity to read the latest draft of the political declaration on conditions of strict confidentiality dues so I'm not going to breach that and you know I think as everybody would anticipate the political declaration which unlikely withdrawal agreement is not a legally binding document is pretty vague list of aspirations the DUP was the only party missed out of the round of talks the pact it's ten MPs have with the government to give it a majority appears tonight to be hanging by a thread well the common supply ranges are still in place however you know we have shown that we are not so bind to it that we will accept anything being thrust at us or will accept any betrayal whatever the government decides it wants to do tomorrow the Prime Minister heads to Brussels hoping to nail down last details of a deal long in the making but right now without anything like enough friends to pass through the Commons and the former cabinet minister Justine greening who's backed calls for a second referendum on the brexit deal joins me from Westminster now just in greening other any circumstances in which you would back to resumes deal as it currently stands no I think it's a bad deal for Britain it's not in this country's interests it gives away control rather than taking it back and I think it loses influence not just in Europe but around the world even if that means that you're heading for a no deal potentially I don't believe we are heading for a no deal but the bottom line is that Parliament works on majorities and there is no majority for the Prime Minister's deal as we've seen with the the challenge that brexit ears have had getting there 48 letters there's no majority for a No Deal brexit either those majority for your second referendum / well Parliament is that gridlock and what I'm proposing is they root out of that gridlock if you can't get further forward you have to find a different route and that is the route that will end up having to take and I think what we need to do on behalf of the country is now end this pantomime we could spend another three weeks we could spend another three months arguing about the right route forward but we know what those three choices are it's either the Prime Minister's deal it is leaving with essentially no deal or it's staying with the current deal we've got the public should now have the right okay but if you have the second referendum you could end up with yet more months if not years of pantomime and you could end up with exactly the same result and exactly the same gridlock well I think people know what the real choices are ahead of the now they've got some absolutely clear cut deals on the table I think if it takes us a few months but we get the right direction forward for Britain then it's absolutely worth it but what I do know is that Parliament can't just put its head in the sand collectively and ignore the fact that there is gridlock here we have to be honest with the British people and we have to find an alternative route through and that's what I'm proposing an alternative plan that can actually break that brexit gridlock and what if you end up with exactly the same result grexit and the EU puts the same deal on the table what then well if that's if people want the Prime Minister's deal it doesn't really matter whether I don't think it's a good choice for Britain I think it should be for the nation decide decide what's in the national interest that's what I'm saying is give people their own choice because Parliament will not be able to take that choice for them it is gridlock we should stop pretending it isn't and then find an alternative route through and I think in the end we're going to have to recognize that the only route through this gridlock is to give people a second referendum and allow them to pick themselves because it's clear that M piece here cannot agree the other option of course is to do some kind of government of national unity get together with the opposition parties and come up with a deal well again I don't think there is as it were the time the Prime Minister has herself but a huge amount of energy into getting what she thinks is the best deal for Britain I think we've reached the end of that process we could spend months and years continuing to renegotiate we've got a deal from the EU that's what's on the table my point is Parliament here is not going to find a way through that gridlock so we have to allow people to do that for themselves and that's why I think in the end the final sale this needs to be to give the British people the choice between those three alternative courses for our country and by voting down to reason maize dealers you're clear you would do you and your part of Jacob Riis model captain manner ins little brigade you're on the same side you're happy that I'm on the side of what's in the national interest and I'm not part of the European research group actually my personal view is that it's a mistake to leave the EU and I would prefer us to remain but my point is this place here in Parliament is now at gridlock I said but earlier in the summer it's proving to be the case it works on majorities and there isn't a majority of MPs in favour of anything we have to go somewhere as a country and that's why the only route through this griddle hook is this alternative that I'm setting out which is a second referendum and can Tereza may take you through that gridlock and on into a next election are you happy for her to do that well I hope that the government will recognize that that's where we're at I think it's time to stop wasting time we could have MPs arguing with their very dug-in positions over the coming weeks and months it's not going to get this country any further forward we have to find a way to break this logjam okay I think if the prime prime ministers prepared to do that that would be the right thing okay just in greeting thank you very much for joining us well joining me in the studio now is the Justice Minister Lucy Fraser Minister you heard just in green there and I didn't join late in the interview but at the top she said you know that a second referendum is the only way to get through this gridlock isn't that it doesn't she have a point on that but I think first of all we have to start with the deal so the doubt the Prime Minister has spent a long time negotiating a deal and that that deal I think is portent to understand what that deal delivers because it delivers first of all the vote to leave so we will be leaving in March 2019 people said that they didn't want immigration and controlled immigration and he did it delivers on that because there will be free movement of people people said they didn't want people to as to continue paying in and it delivers on that and people said after we leave we don't want the control of the European Court of Justice and it delivers on that so I think though the words you chose the start with this deal implying that if the Commons does vote it down as looks very very likely now given the numbers that you could then back a second referendum I'm sorry when I said we should start still I wish I wanted to start by outlining what the deal on the table and we must remember it is the only deal that is on the table so as Justin said there are three choices before is there's the deal and that's the only deal that the EU are willing to do and that we can do in the time for there is leaving or there is remaining in the EU and I think and none of those command majority in parliament therefore this gridlock so just in greeting says put it back to the people we haven't had the vote yet so there isn't good luck yet the Prime Minister first of all has set out very comprehensively what the implementation period where the transition arrangement will involve and she set out in a short document and how she sees in the EU sees the future framework but she's going this weekend to Brussels to flesh out more detail on that future framework and I think we should look and see what that future framework holds so I don't think and people may well be persuaded when they see what the future looks like in the deal so I don't know you're gonna persuade people who are supposed to be in partnership with you or at least propping you up the DUP I've been looking at this agreement between yourselves and the Democratic Unionist Party otherwise known as the competence and supply deal does that deal still exist because they're not voting with you tonight well the GP said this morning that they stand by the confidence and so how do they do that because here it says the DUP agrees to support the government and all motions of confidence and on the Queen's speech the budget finance bills money bills well as I said the DUP reiterated this morning that they continue to respect the supply agreement how does that tally with what I've just read you well we haven't yet voted on brexit and that was a key part of all the forces below at the moment on you on the budget that's right we are and they're not with you so what I just probably see why the the government agreed to give Northern Ireland a billion quid of taxpayers money which is what the DP wanted in return for their support they've now pulled from you you're right they the government did agree to gives money they've also the Prime Minister has worked incredibly hard to ensure that there is no hard border in Ireland and that the customs arrangement is right for Island and so I hope that when she comes back on Sunday and they see the further Arrangements in relation to the future deal and that the result will be a good one if they keep on pulling support from you shouldn't you look at pulling that billion quid well I hope that they will continue to suppose I said the Prime Minister has worked extremely hard to ensure that we get the right deal and she's been incredibly clear from the outset that the union was important that with a conservative and unionist party and that we wanted to stay can you be clear with me that fair not respecting that deal there they shouldn't get the taxpayers money up to a billion quid well as I said the DUP have confirmed this morning that they they're not doing it though so should they be getting the money let's see do you would you like to look at that money being you know put on the tech put back on the table what I would like is to ensure that we get the best deal for the British people and I think the key issue at the moment is that we respect the referendum and we walk away from Europe protecting jobs and making sure that we have certainty when I speak to constituents yes they want whatever they voted for but they also want certainty they want to know what what the situation is so that they can continue with their businesses and secure their jobs and they're not sure what's at stake of the dup conservative rebels don't fall into line behind the reason maze deal well I think what's at stake is is uncertainty and risk and I think what we want in this country and what what people and you know what we should deliver from for people we've had in negotiation for a number of years and what we need to deliver is certainty Lucy phrasing thank you very much there really is no way around this tonight Theresa May is in quite a lot of trouble she relies on Northern Ireland's democratic unionists to govern and since they are right now not supporting her you could reasonably argue that she is not actually governing either for the second night running her whips in the Commons found themselves staring defeat in the face and ended up accepting amendments to the budget bill and labour amendments at that rather than risk losing a vote the do you use peas rationale is pretty simple by accepting that Northern Ireland could be treated differently in the brexit deal she had not just broken their voting pact but torn it up the question is that Clause 15 stand passed the bill scheduled 18 the scheduled three manage that opinions AI of the contrary no the eyes have it the eyes have it when the eyes had it all tonight questions whether the government's having to unable to say no to any changes to its budget caving to the opposition now the DUP s certainly a part of it so obviously on please the Labor's amendments didn't meet with any government opposition tonight ultimately it seems like that happens because the DUP weren't willing to support the government position anymore and of course this comes after last week the government's own backbenchers not being willing to support them on the brexit deal really this shows that ultimately three zamir's conservatives may be an office but they're not in power anymore without the support of the DUP Tereza may is short of votes and her majority could they now bring down the government over brexit and have torn up their side of the bargain when it has come to brexit they've torn up the long manifest all of the people of the Native Kingdom as a whole they've torn up the promises to their own party and they've torn up the promises that they made to us in December of last year the latest brexit Secretary was already being shouted at before he'd even sat down for his first cabinet his the new face whose the returning face but the others now less likely to a backed face and quit the government this time it was a long meeting but short on objections we know the cabinet have their problems with Teresa Mays plan but is Downing Street now listening to their solutions one cabinet member told me this evening that clarifications could be stapled to the withdrawal agreement without needing to renegotiate it but if they really are buying her plan or now they've got to sell it to everyone else this lot still aren't convinced conservative MPs calling a press conference today to oppose Theresa Mays plan but what about her Premiership have you put in a letter I told you I said yesterday the first person to know if I ever put in a letter will be the Prime Minister if his letter hasn't gone in yet well neither have enough others to spark a vote of no-confidence for now it's the rabble's still trying to win the faith of their colleagues if they don't want to change now when will they changed and that is something they have to think about because I think if we don't change now the Prime Minister will stay on till the next election tomorrow Theresa May meets the President of the European Commission a sign she's moving to finalize her deal even if some insist it's already finished back home Paul Browns news at 10:00 Westminster and Robert is here of course that when Labour say tonight she's in office in Nollan power literally they have a point don't they she can't she's going to the house every day or a whipsaw and she can't get anything through well let me read this was sent to me by a Tory backbencher we can't go on for days like this never mind weeks the opposition will be running the country from the position of being the opposition totally humiliating so you know her own benches are saying this is nearly catastrophic that said in some ways you have to say this is quite convenient for the Prime Minister she is is Paul banner just said going tomorrow to see president the EU Commission jean-claude Juncker and she will say to him look this backstop plan for keeping open the border between northern ireland republic of ireland is unpopular with the party that props me up and if you don't budge there is a risk that my government will fall surely jean-claude you don't want that so so possible Abbey she will be going and she will be asking for him to tinker with this plan and maybe he will take the view that actually if the alternative is her falling they will move that said I'm not sure actually that being seemed to prop up an EU government is a particularly good look for the EU broadly do you I think we take the view that democratic events have to take their course yeah in whatever European country so the stakes are high if she doesn't get any movement from him well she's in really big trouble because she can't govern without the DUP no question okay this is gonna be a daily conversation but so until tomorrow same time now when mrs. Mae heads to Brussels tomorrow on a similar theme for talks with Clawd Yonkers Robert was just saying it won't be plain sailing there either clearly when we reached the special european council meeting on Sunday the 585 page with Durrell agreement will have to be rubber stamped and the 7 page outlined the original one of our future relationship with the EU we'll have to have more flesh put on what are quite frankly rather thin bones still outstanding on the withdrawal agreement our fishing rights with France to morning that a future free trade agreement depends on the UK offering access to its waters and the Spanish Prime Minister has said today he will veto any agreement unless it excludes Gibraltar from EU UK trade talks allowing future trade to be negotiated between Madrid and London directly instead now Angus Walker is in Brussels tonight Angus lots of for the prime minister to negotiate and talk about tomorrow as Robert was just saying here and there's this whole 7 page political declaration which doesn't say much we expected more on that today didn't we yes it does seem as though things are drifting we were told this political declaration this outline of a future free trade deal between the EU and the UK would be ready today now I'm told it's grown from its original 7 pages to at least 20 pages and one EU official told me this evening it may not bat now emerge from this finalizing process until the weekend the very eve of the summit which is meant to seal the brexit deal in Brussels on one hand you've got Downing Street wanting to knock this aspirational document into some more politically acceptable shape perhaps make it more brexit err friendly if that is possible on the other hand you have Member States making their own demands they seem to be stuck and no wonder the Prime Minister is saying she's coming over here tomorrow to negotiate ok Angus until tomorrow I suspect but for now thank you very much indeed the Prime Minister forked out a billion pounds to get the 10 MPs of Northern Ireland's DUP on her side nowadays their supports hanging by a thread their enthusiasm for maize bricks at nearly zilch they voted against her on finance bills last night and if they withdraw their confidence in her well then she goes who knows what happens after that meanwhile within her own ranks the brexit ears of the ERG are still on maneuvers indeed as our political editor Nick Watt discovered today their leader Jacob Riis MOG he is one military leader in particular as his role model you admonished me last week for saying that you were staging a coup against Theresa May it's certainly not succeeded doesn't have more of this sort of the Dad's Army feel about it so is britain nearing a constitutional crisis the brexit voters showed what happens when direct democracy in the shape of a referendum meet parliamentary democracy with MPs voting everyone in Westminster's clamoring for something a bit different and the response could well be paralysis as chris cook there is now no maturity for it is a leader who will say to the European Union it is impossible to divide up the United Kingdom we had to do something to show our displeasure right now we have a government in office that looks completely unable to pass its central piece of legislation it feels like the government should form but remember we made one huge change to our Constitution in 2011 the fixed term Parliament's act you may have noticed one effect of the act about calling early snap elections Prime Minister's used to be able to call them on their own as you know Her Majesty the Queen has agreed to my request that Parliament should be dissolved on Friday Her Majesty the Queen agreed today to my request that Parliament should be dissolved these days has happened last year two-thirds of MPs must vote for it but this year there's another much more important effect of that law it also used to be a convention that governments would consider their position if they lost a vote of no-confidence that happened in 1979 – Jim Callaghan and led the 1979 election exciting day in the House of Commons nobody knew what the result was going to be and at the end of the day the government was defeated by a single vote well one is enough more common has been that the government gets defeated on proxy no confidence rates so-called confidence issues that happened once in 1895 – Lord Rosebery once in 1924 – Stanley Baldwin then later again that year – Ramsay MacDonald their governments all fell as a result these days though since the Act was passed and no confidence motion has to be passed by the House of Commons using one very specific form of words and then there's a two-week gap when other majorities can attempt to be formed there's only a general election at the end of that two-week process if no one else has been able to put together a majority and pass a confidence motion Theresa Mays majority has four blocks there the ERG brexit er Tories the loyal rump the hard remainders and they rely on the DUP to get them over the line at the moment she doesn't have the support over three of those groups for her brexit agenda and she needs all of them but even if they votes her laws down and she won't fall unless they also let her lose a confidence vote so the current crisis feels unreal when Lord Rosebery resigned in 1895 after losing a confidence issue votes it was because it would be very humiliating to go on with a certainty of being defeated sooner or later and it was very bad for the country as well as for our foreign relations to have such a small majority that is what we used to but since 2011 governments can survive even if it looks like they can't pass key central elements of their program that's Chris Cook and crisis of course depends on your perspective so we're joined now by the father of the House of Commons Ken Clark who's seen Britain's relationship with Europe up close since 1970 he encouraged Ted Heath to allow for that free vote in 1971 Katherine Hadden is a constitutional expert and historian from the Institute of government and Claire Fox is the director of the academy of ideas and welcome to I'm going to start with you Katherine because a lot of countries seem to manage seamlessly this sort of mix between the referendum and parliamentary democracy why why do we find it so difficult or is it just this one specifically that's completely headache yeah it's partly this one specifically but we also we don't have a tradition of that you look at Ireland they're used to having referendum the public's well informed about how the process will go there's you know that they have difficulties over some of them but they still it's a routine part of their democracy for this country there they've you know very small ADEQ very rare and on this one in particular obviously hugely divisive we not prepared I mean was the public not prepared or was it the way it was Donal was the question the wording I think well there are a number of issues you can look back at the referendum and say yes do you want a sort of straight binary vote do you want a thresholds that you need to get beyond in order for it to be binding do you want a referendum that's then actually going to be binding on the government or not we didn't really debate all of those issues that some of them were debated by Parliament well before and we ended up with a referendum that's you know was probably quite confusing for a lot of people but but hugely victorious because it delivered something directly that the people chose yeah cut out all your middle men and women so from that perspective it must seem the purest way possible it does and for people who want to move towards more direct democracy obviously it's something to look at of why these things can be transformative for the British public and so forth but the issue is how does it go alongside parliamentary democracy how do our parliamentarians then interpret a referendum and put it into action and that's where we are at the moment and that's the problem isn't there's a complete clash now between who has the mandate is that the British people or is it the parliamentarians well the rich people were just presented with a simple you know livre main question to enormous answers with an enormous question covering our relationships you know with the Europe and the rest of the world in many ways there was no serious debate about the hundreds of issues wrapped on it and I think referendums are a silly way of running a modern country anyway but this particular one was disastrous but both sides around the leading figures on both sides had just ran silly arguments on both sides which dominated the campaign all about whether millions of Turks were coming here and so on and it's been used by the victorious side to insist that somehow Parliament's no longer has a proper role and I think parliamentary democracy I'd prefer I think parliamentary democracy is certainly required for such hugely complex subjects and I realize I'm in a dwindling eccentric minority where I was made it clear that I wasn't going to change my lifelong opinions because of one opinion poll organized in this way that is why I voted against article 50 I continued to vote for my real preference which is actually the preference of the vast majority of MPs they that we stay in the EU and what happens now Claire because this is the question isn't it whether parliamentary I mean the parliamentarians can't now deliver what the people asked for well first of all they could have done and they armed and they or they haven't up until this point they still could actually but I think it's important to say that parliamentary when you say who's got the Monday I mean when Parliament's got the Monday is only and on behalf of the people anyway I mean it's not some separate thing I mean democracy even when it's parliamentary democracy parliamentarians ought to remember that they are the servants of the people and in this instance the people spoke and the servants have behaved like the lords of the manor and basically said oh you spoken incorrectly wrongly you were really involved it's not true that's just not true at all is it I mean they're trying to interpret it no I feel like what what they as the servants should be doing to deliver and they well well that's an optimistic view I mean I'm not alone in in believing that within hours of the referendum result coming out and there was such shock and horror amongst all the political parties and many members of the establishment who within you know with a viciousness and speed unprecedented turned on the electorate and started saying they got it wrong it was too complicated why do you think that does show that what's happened is that there has not been an enthusiastic positive interpretation of the referendum vote saying how can we now enact the will of the people and that's what the we're now in is all about okay so let's get practical Kent you have to make a decision in very real terms about whether you back the prime ministers deal on implementing something you think will be disastrous for the country well I know you were disastrous I think a brexit will be designed premised that because of the overwhelming majority of Parliament accepts that we're leaving they are delivering that well nobody ever put to the people was exactly how we're leaving no two levers X do you think among each other tell me what you do the big things what we need to do is get to the March 29 legally and then start several years of serious negotiations I will support the deal because at least it gets us through to the transition there'll be no change then and then we can decide what our future economic relations are the people did not vote for tariffs customs procedures regulatory barriers to be installed between ourselves and our principal market and that is what's involved if you just leave with No Deal we need to negotiate a deal than this but Sir all agreement paves the way for what the Prime Minister is talking about tomorrow and briefly that is how can we keep our borders open and the economic advance can you support that deal with a lifted heart all your hearts so it's a bit of a dog's breakfast but that's because we've wasted two years with the cabinet debating with each other and failing to reach an agreement 27 other countries have a perfectly legitimate interest and it's just absurd to imagine that 27 other governments again say the British can keep all the benefits they now want to keep of being members but we'll let them repudiate all the obligations so you've got to get out for something serious and and we could have done better than this withdrawal agreement if we got nearer to the Europeans but now go along with it is this redefining now the whole political structure in the UK I mean yeah it's starting to get there you're seeing that we talked about constitutional crisis you are starting to see the edges of that on a range of fronts and that's what's quite extraordinary about this we got a you know potential constitutional crisis with our Union potential crisis around parliamentary democracy and and Parliament being able to get through this and also potential governance crisis if you look at the potential for No Deal and what could go wrong in the events of that but at the same time I mean you know what clever parties now I mean Jacob Riis MOG said earlier I think that if the Tories get their deal through on the back of labour votes then the Tory party will have to split I mean brexit is going to redefine the parties for many years to come and not just in the splits that you're talking about this is the defining issue for a generation of politicians not just the ones there at the moment but future ones to come so and it's not just straight splits down the middle you've talked about different factions that there are in all of the parties and across Parliament's and that's what's redefining I think I mean I think brexit has redefined the parties I think the Tories are completely split I think the fact that all of the mainstream parties urged people to remain in the EU and in you know and the people didn't do that the fact that the Labour Party is being led by somebody who proclaimed that they were anti EU for many years and then when push came to shove didn't do it you know bottled out but that in many remain is now are in the labour party it's become quite middle-class Tory party of gained a huge number of working-class brexit voters now that be tried by everybody and you know I think the constitutional crisis is is much more profound than you're saying I mean we worried many several years ago about turnout apathy how can you motivate people to vote we go out we inspire people to vote in unprecedented numbers in the largest democratic turnout this country should be delighted that we should have celebrated it seeing it as an opportunity for democratic renewal the establishment have thwarted that and wasted it – there wasn't a party was there not for people this choice we want referendums for people who know they could never get a parliamentary majority that's why Jimmy Goldsmith started this demand for a referendum and Mussolini and gol used referendums brilliantly for a time to sideline their Parliament of the political parties the trouble is with these complex subjects involving how you run the economy what our political relationships are with our neighbors how we organize security criminal justice against international crime they're not suitable opinion opinion poll as I said earlier no two levers agree on all these subjects the moment the parties are shattered across party they've got to come together I think we're better off in the labour party the Conservative Party still agrees on everything else but Europe well it's a big let's not start that one thank you very much indeed

Monday looks interesting for Brexit

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I said yesterday that Theresa May could well be planning to try and get her deal through parliament again.


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And guess what the BBC is reporting today? Just that!

And the BBC reports that one possibility is that once our MPs have had their own little set of indicative votes to try and form a consensus between them, she may pit her deal against any winning option – should they indeed come up with one.

But guess what – she’ll lose again.

Anyway the order paper for business in the Commons on Monday has been issued and Oliver Letwin has been designated a slot to start from about 4pm until 6pm to decide on how to proceed with the indicative vote session.

Then from 8pm onwards MPs will be going through their indicative votes process again and already there are eight proposals.

These cover the usual: a customs union, the Common Market 2.0, a second referendum, a public vote against a no deal exit, to seek an extension to Article 50 if no deal is reached and EFTA and EEA membership.

Much of this we’ve seen before in one guise or another.

There are two new ones though.

The first is that we somehow leave the EU on the 22nd May under the Withdrawal Agreement but without the backstop. The EU of course would have to agree to that, so maybe this is trying to get enough votes to send a message to the Eurocrats.

And the second put forward by John Baron, Sir David Amess, Martin Vickers, Stephen Metcalfe, David Jones and Chris Davies is:

“That this House agrees that, in the absence of a Withdrawal Agreement that can command the support of the House, the UK shall leave the EU on 12 April 2019 without a deal.”

Now I know which of the above is the most acceptable to true Brexiteers. And remember, on Monday we’ll be eleven days from Brexit.

Finally, just a quick thought.

During the last two years or so, all I’ve heard about is demands from the EU and EU27 about controlling our future, having access to our fishing grounds, slicing Northern Ireland off of the rest of the UK and grabbing partial control over Gibraltar. And then of course there’s all that dosh they’re demanding from us too.

And as far as I can tell, the only thing we’ve ever asked of them is to respect or sovereignty and our wish to be an independent nation.

We will even have to wait for years before we see any of the money that we have sat in the European Investment Bank (EIB) European Union, EU,- if we ever do see it of course.

Has the UK demanded control over parts of the EU or the territory of its member states? Have we threatened to encroach their fishing waters after we leave?

So I would ask people to just take a moment and consider what we as a nation have been put through. And I would speculate that this sort of thing has been going on behind closed doors in the European Union for decades, but now we’re having a glimpse of the true EU as the spotlight of Brexit shines into its darkest corners.

hello there and good morning now I wasn't planning on doing a video today as I have a very busy day but what the hell I said yesterday that Teresa may could well be planning to try and get her deal through Parliament again and guess what the BBC is reporting today just that and the BBC reports that one possibility is that once our MPs have had their own little set of indicative votes to try and form a consensus between them she may pitch her deal against any winning option should they indeed come up with one but guess what she'll lose again anyway the order paper for business in the Commons on Monday has been issued and Oliver let win slot has been designated to start from about 4 p.m. until 6 p.m. to decide on how to proceed with the indicative vote session and then from 8 p.m. onwards MPs will be going through their indicative votes process again and already there are eight proposals these cover the usual a customs union the Common Market 2.0 a second referendum a public vote against a No Deal exit to seek an extension to article 50 if no deal is reached and after and EEA membership much of this we've seen before in one guys or another and there are two new ones though the first is that we somehow leave the EU on the 22nd of May under the withdrawal agreement but without the backstop the EU of course would have to agree to that so maybe this is trying to get enough votes to send a message to the Eurocrats and the second put forward by John Baron Sir David Amos Martin Vickers Stephen Metcalfe David Jones and Chris Davis is that this house agrees that in the absence of a withdrawal agreement that can command the support of the house the UK shall leave the EU on 12th of April 2019 without a deal now I know which of the above is the most acceptable to true brexit ears and remember on Monday will be 11 days from brexit finally just a quick thought during the last two years or so all I've heard about is demands from the EU and EU 27 about controlling our future having access to our fishing grounds slicing Northern Ireland off of the rest of the UK and grabbing partial control over Gibraltar and then of course there's all that dosh they're demanding from us – and as far as I can tell the only thing we've ever asked of them is to respect our sovereignty and our wish to be an independent nation we will even have to wait four years before we see any of the money that we have sat in the European Investment Bank if we ever do see it of course has the UK demanded control over parts of the EU or the territory of its member states have we threatened to encroach their fishing waters after we leave so I would ask people to just take a moment and consider what we as a nation have been put through over the last two years and I would speculate that this sort of thing has been going on behind closed doors in the European Union for decades but now we're having a glimpse of the true you as the spotlight of brexit shines into its darkest corners anyway what do you think please leave a comment below and thank you for watching you

Brexit: MPs challenged over vote – BBC Newsnight

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Emily Maitlis grills Jacob Rees-Mogg over the language he has used over Theresa May’s Brexit deal.
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Newsnight is joined by Defence Minister Tobias Ellwood, Chair of the European Research Group Jacob Rees-Mogg, Labour MP Stephen Kinnock and Sarah Wollaston from The Independent Group.

The Labour frontbench were invited to participate in the discussion, but declined.

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