Can Scotland prevent Brexit? A very special topic, because what seems to be attractive to Brexit opponents at first sight, is on the other hand connected with dangers! So Europe has to split even more to be united in the end? So that we do not get bored, we drink a delicious sip of Buckfast Tonic Wine for this conversation. A drink brewed in England and especially popular in Scotland. If that is not diplomatic …?!
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give me some new brakes it ain't about for those who never heard of it about staying in ok that's right yeah in 2014 five years ago long enough and the situation is changed completely Tran yeah embarassed itself also consider a second referendum yeah me too what do you think away I afford go but you had it coming I think back in 2016 I think a lot a right next day the back then framer said if there is a brexit yeah we will have to decide in our fate as Scotland and here has sent it already I think so ok because yes yes I did we had class yeah the referendum was on a twenty sometime in June right yeah and was Wednesday I think mmm the next day I was in class at the on campus at University and sure enough the topic was breakfast ok and announced it was if we have a brexit Scotland will vote do we want to be British or European and here we are as promised what what do you think about it in general I think the question is is it good that we first have to separate more to unite in the end I'll get that tomorrow that's what's your opinion yes I thought today okay do we really understand them because it's a form of separation and a form of being United which we really can't understand Jessa just Jones can we because this whole United Kingdom I mean United Kingdom it should be United but everything is yes everything comes from central from London so yeah and you have your own nationality and you have your own patriotism and but does that go together but when we ever look at Germany Britain was United or the New Year in about in this 18th century in the 18th century long term yeah so 17 something yes so and then there was a long period nothing happens so and yet now look at Germany so Germany was united in a way in the late 19th century yes especially and I think about Bavaria Bavaria protea yes oh yeah so and there was very separate to complete separate kingdoms at that time with a lot of national proud so yes and still but I can't it's not for me would say okay we I I don't know no trophy I paid for noise lunchtime but the truth I mean for once we have to be fair there actually was even in the 90s 1990s by and pitaya at the very party yeah and they really seriously wanted a referendum to split the barrier from Germany no joke for that no big kind of Germany already 90 okay or I believe they had this you know campaign going so these are the data statistics Bavaria is so much better in economy and whatever then Germany okay and they said we are better off alone than in the German Federation now they had like 0.5% of vote but the idea was there now Scotland though again do you have to go way back in history scuffin is actually a different what he called us breed I guess you know they yes they are so United Kingdom since what hundreds of years but the history is there so the the my perception is the Irish and us Scotland please I don't know about Wales they have their own pride you know and they have their own political aspirations well they are very proud very proud but there you know with England they don't want to be separate whereas Scotland and Ireland they're like no no we are our thing birth is nice but we are Scottish that's my perception yeah yeah ok ok ok but the Scottish National Party isn't a National Party and yes in a sense it's it's more kind of liberal or less oriented however you can call it and that's a special mixture I think what do you think I guess but it has always been Scotland England Wales yeah I mean yes of course there is this cover-up with United Kingdom but I think the different countries were always there will always be there even if you I mean ok we are in the European Union but we would never say ok we are European just ok maybe we say so but you're still German French yeah but it's interesting because I read today and that's maybe in what I say is a topic for another issue because I found it on Google Docs coat UK they they have completely different topics then Google Germany and the UK news they discussed that if Scotland will leave the United Kingdom then there is a problem because the European Union said okay you are not automatically into the you so then you are a separate country that we have to look if you can join the you that's right so and that was a shock for the Nationalists either because they thought okay everything is okay we are in the EU but that's not the case because there are some separatists in in in Spain and other parts of Europe and the fear isn't it's okay I think that they will separate after that say okay then the basket lunch won't to live maybe the Catalonia or whatever so and Bavaria maybe yeah yeah yeah funny but but in in theory that would be possible then I think we take a little break we have a special a special drink today a special drink we had it in the show before we've been visiting this Abbey a few years but we never thought I never heard of this famous drink before or when we when we've been there found out in Internet that's Hutus hooligans most Scottish people in general I don't know I think pupils pupils not just only good against maybe the young men is it wants to stop drinking problem yeah okay with this you start when you want to drink you start with this when you start with a girl no okay but I've never seen it when we've been there so I had to ask you if you bring some of it to Germany and we tried it and it has the appearance of being healthy and the Lenape the lady where I bought it's in the back fist every Catholic every down deep in England in Devon she said it's very SS he completes yes it's against everything everything from heart ache to cancer everything with backfist tonic alexia whatever no not cancer but cancer HIV and that I caffeine but let's chase it come on right it's not recommended to children but I mean it has 15 [Laughter] Oh Lisa first good stuffing and maybe a bit like coffee in it's a little taste of coffee in it isn't it yeah afterwards specially you can taste fruity Wow very sweet yeah and a bit like what's what's is the Spanish drink to start off the starter what you drink before a meal I don't know Oh Shelly yeah yeah a bit bit like sherry wine port wine Shelly yes yeah you're right okay rival so okay again for yeah you for Scotland you know that far Wow for audience yep all over the world's the planet the universe universe the universe yeah and so I think this is the best drink for that topic yeah what should we do I I have to confess I wasn't in Scotland before well no November but we cross the border I think just the border [Laughter] again too much I can't stand it it's too much sorry [Laughter] really honestly I like the people they're so nice I mean just you know they get to you it meet them and you get along and you can have a drink obviously lots of drinks but they have us yes you have ever so many mentality even it's just a border it is a border you know believe it or not I mean it wasn't border back in the Roman town or one mm-hmm and it still is they are little Scottish and they had their own things identity okay very special and the went went so friendly all the time no I mean it's more the time as I read it wasn't just the thing England against Scotland it was more thing rich people against poor people absolutely so for them there were rich Scottish people that were not the best at war no I'm they no they weren't okay it actually was a social struggle yeah so very much was rich versus poor that's a nice you know this person this cool but still somehow this narrative of Scotland being Scotland wherever it is is there and you know no Britain or no Europe can really change that mmm so far but how is the economic situation in Scotland was the study what two years ago were where they felt fine you know they were nothing richest in Europe baby but they felt were doing fine we're doing well okay and I think that's actually more important than how much you originally are I think economics is based mainly on tourism no joke whiskey oh yeah the Doyle distillery scene there I think is some modern stuff multimedia and so on and maybe farm farming obviously farming that's the main positions in it yeah yeah we we want them but I'm really not not sure it's in my breasts yeah yeah – two hearts beating in my chest – it's enough and on one end I think okay let's just see that there is no brexit at all and sitting on my shoulder okay let's go yeah we had the vote yeah they want that okay good the real problem is Britain joined back in the what 60 70s yeah right away they took the lead they headed their way so far mm-hm and in 2016 it was really the British way or the highway and both the EU and Berkeley took the highway so I think it's better and like you said we're going to be better together as Europeans if we split it sounds paradox but again coming from Yugoslavia it can work so now these bone has these stupid people who have all comes which I can slam as I said you wanted to now they feel like okay maybe you know let's work together after all this war in this you know acrimony maybe it's something good to working together but as sovereign nations that's very important to them let the English have us that's fine you know we're gonna and close them with Ireland and Scotland say you wash it you know let's face it they want their own thing that's totally fine with me but you speak about the total pressure for special English breaks it total Broxson as in really two separate things I think that's best for both just to think that I mean it wasn't I mean you wish Lamia wasn't split up because of a referendum so it was really the hard way and a really painful way so is it is it really possible to do so here's the thing back when I was studying political science we had Belgium Belgium is was doing a okay they were fine economy whatever everything was good and still the what he called an malonic and blame me for whatever people felt like the other side as a bad guy were being suppressed both have the same feeling yeah and you wonder how how can they feel that or think that when they're doing great they are the heart of Europe literally the heart of Europe but this is a you know and I know that firsthand it is a thing national pride is a thing as a nice love yeah as in England I guess you have to respect that even if it is I call it theological I don't understand it you know but it is there mmm-hmm my view is as a Belgian us loggin European citizen the world is mine it's all there for me that's all I need my own ethnicity whatever that is or religion I can have it for myself I don't have to have it in a political state or entity but some people many people do now do you have some kind of national pride yes I do I do and I'm German I wouldn't say I'm European I'm German so okay so it's I mean maybe pride is the wrong word maybe it's like good self-consciousness of it okay bunches of your nationality I mean pride yes I don't know I mean I've never seen it from any other position than being German so but yeah of course I think we're doing great is a good country and we solve many problems in the past and we will solve many problems in the future of it yes that's hard to be proud of well see pride in the same problem here be proud you have to be really the author I didn't great Germany but I I am very emotionally connected and you noticed that when son really you know attacks say Germany or some other you know country and was people stunned Germany feel like okay you know feel like I'm being attacked myself I wasn't border Minh but I have this emotional connection I can't really explain that that's the problem but it is there now again you have to deal with that emotions and this is something even though the strongest political scientists have to learn people vote and decide by liszt not like this mmm-hmm you know it's not the homo so to know economical that's not true it's the hormone irrational emotional dude or a gal who doesn't have you know I think you both said it pride is the wrong word for it but but it's a strong feeling and consciousness one was good and to be aware of your roots maybe no I I wouldn't say that I feel especially you p.m. that's maybe too much in a very small sense I feel as a child of soap well yeah yeah maybe and there are some parts of Germany I not just like then I can feel it I like Berlin as an example is not just as capital of Germany I feel so Democratic when I'm in Berlin as an example yes but also I have feel very good in in parts of England or I really like with all my heart I like different parts of South Germany – yeah but it's not mine I'm there like a tourist I'm there like a to reserve different the manners are different the way to live is different and again I like it very much I travel there let me see it from the outside I see from the outside I'm not a sauce young guy so and that's a big part of Germany and I'm also not a North German guy I'm not from the coach now for many parts in the East are very and alien and they can't grow together that's not the problem but also it can grow together with other parts of Europe we can all grow together there's much to do I think so what group do you identify with where you you know feel like I have to you know do something for them or leave these are my people you thank you cause was so young and people I know the region I know and it's no question there are good things invented in Germany so that's that's okay communism is invented in Germany even as [Laughter] because so many big big influences starting in in Germany if you see Martin Luther as the Protestant or yeah even communism socialism this part of of a new left-winged political side starts more or less in Germany or the theory was born in Germany and and so many things are very I cultural community in Central Europe so that's good it's no problem I like our language that's that's not the question but this is feeling yeah I am German definitely I am German but it's not that I say hey wave the flag and say Germany is better and I'm not into football and so it's for me no football no that's interesting I mean I understand it perfectly I just I can't explain why I have these emotions for our feelings for Germany uh okay so put maybe about because you choose it no no no you can't choose that I didn't choose to fall in love with my wife I met her and I was you know stunned did fall asleep we think about you see I guess we need someone who really knows the stuff you know knows psychology and whatever as a terracotta know football I have off my mother she always cheered for Germany back in 96 yeah we were in Kosovo okay and Germany will be four no Lance a ninety six and she was you know jumping up and down you know what's up with you why Germany and what's she the only one in your family everybody was looking at her like four four people the rest was like what happened you know and eventually I realized yes the Germans to me play a very fair football of their likable and all that but you know that came from her she convinced me okay why I feel for Germany as a people or nation well first of all I came here was received in the best of ways him in my personal perception you know that's true for me I understand that everyone makes this perfect you know fairy tale experience that's of course one reason the other is and this is myself I always fell like I'm gonna be in the West as a kid I would see the Western on TV and here I was and you know that's it I'm happy I'm here and it happens to be Germany yeah but but that's what I meant I was born here and I'm here that's nothing special for me well here's the thing I never spoke German I never spoke a single word of German I learned the language in six weeks in six weeks yes I was and okay this again is personal I had a friend here and after naming yeah yeah he germanized me this you said this cultural heavyweight the Germany is he brought it to me in the nicest of ways and eventually you become German you know that's the way it is okay so it wasn't just one stop on your way like okay I want to check out how Germany is and when I'm old enough and have a profession and can earn my own money then I go to France and then I go to England so that was never the question so I just you know I felt in my version was we're gonna be loving the West some time it happened it happened to be Germany I was raised with an English language it was newspapers all that but I was up in Germany and identify as German now and I was really proud back in 2011 when I became a German citizen I became a sim racing world champion flying the German flat I was like because I felt like I need to see give something back you know okay I had gotten so much from Germany I felt like finally I can you know give back this title to this country that I feel so much for yeah does this make sense yeah so yeah again these are emotions I I can't point you know I put my finger on it I try to but it's more complex I guess yeah okay I think that's was a good speech at the end the time is running no I think it's it's an interesting topic for for later on and and and we started with Scotland and we now end with with the discussion about national feelings and our national feelings can work in Europe to fulfill both sides to be united and if your own identity in which way so and it's interesting I think even our positions are slightly different and we we have a common position the last way to finish the show today oh oh cop in Aachen hmm okay then let's finish for today we discussed at the beginning if we should do this kind of shows still in English because of course it's a bit easier for us to speak in German we are native German speakers always in fluent in all he's fluent in good in all languages but she 90% but me just fifty maybe you can write something in the comments about that in question and don't forget to hit and smash like button and if you have some problems with us or what we say then please write it down in 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